Hinoki looks does matter!
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Topic: Hinoki looks does matter!
Posted By: Wingman
Subject: Hinoki looks does matter!
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 9:15pm
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Few weeks ago I had to choose between one of the two Speed90 Cpen blades. Both blades weight exactly at 89 grams. The comparisons and claims are between these two blades only. Blade 1: Tighter grain (mostly 2-3 times as dense), grain lines are not clear, darker in color, color across the surface is not as uniform and when knock with index finger nail, it produce deeper and more echo sound. Blade 2: Wider grain, grain lines are quite clear, lighter in color, color is uniform and when knock with index finger nail, it produce more of a flat sound (like "plak-plak" v.s. "plock-plock" for blade 1 With helps from some forum members, I have chosen blade one. However, my friend and I chose the same FH rubber, which is Xtend 2.0 black, so I am able to compare both setups. Weight of the setup are 160 grams and 157 grams repectively. At the end, I can only notice that, 1) Blade 1 is indeed faster. Just a little, not very different. 2) Blade 2 does vibrates more. Again, just a little. (For some of you, both blades might not vibrates at all) I can't really tell their differences in term of throw angle, feeling or performance in matches. Conclusion: For 1 ply hinoki, within the same model, there would be some small variations which we would be able to determine by looks as well.
------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
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Posted By: T2Russo
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 9:28pm
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If the differences are as small as you say, the weight difference caused by the rubbers would definately be the culprit in terms of speed.
Extra mass, especially added to the head of the blade, would increase the force that it would exert upon a ball, thus increasing the speed.
The grains could affect the way the piece of wood resonates however, because while they are both of the same density (if they truly both weigh the same), the grain structure would cause the rigidity to be different, since closer packed grains would theoretically make the piece harder to bend. ------------- JPen Jockey: Nittaku Rorin 10.5mm (Andro Plasma 470 2.0mm) Yasaka Musashi 9mm (Friendship Focus III) |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 9:54pm
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beautiful! i say making blades is not only a craft but also a work of art ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Mithrra
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 10:00pm
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Fully Agreed!!!!! ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club *Non-Stop Changing Equipments!!!* HADO ST ASUKA 1 ply hinoki Accoustic FL AVX J-Power KKT Cho Tokusen-Tenergy05 |
Posted By: T2Russo
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 10:14pm
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Btw, those are both GORGEOUS slices of hinoki. I actually like the looks of the wider grained one better. It seems much more symmetric and clear. Plus it's a beautiful shade. ------------- JPen Jockey: Nittaku Rorin 10.5mm (Andro Plasma 470 2.0mm) Yasaka Musashi 9mm (Friendship Focus III) |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 11:17pm
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Wingman, Could you tell me what sidetape do you use? the thicker blue color one? It seems make from soft sponge. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: Qtjoel
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 11:28pm
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There is this dude in my club who has a $700 hinoki wood made blade
------------- joola express 1 joola express 2 avalox 770 - www.wtfoodge.com |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 11:32pm
dr. N ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
peter79 wrote:Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/20/2008 at 11:42pm
Would love to see how it look if possible.
IMO, Dr. N edgetape is the best, it can withstand more damange than any other tapes, plus it's as light as bty premium tape. But it's just a little bulky. ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 1:56am
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My fastest and most powerful is my Kokutaku, and it has the thightest grain amongst my collections. The lines of the grain is not so clear and very subtle that it gave me some doubt whether performance would be ok. And it turned out to be very good.
------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 1:59am
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Sorry for threat jacking... Aeoliah, could you go here: http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9722&KW=&PID=194376#194376 and look at the Senkoh-90 and see the grains, etc. I would like your input on it. Thanks... |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 2:09am
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Hi Rokphish, the link did not work. Please just give me the topic of the thread, who made the post and at what date. I will try to find it.
------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 2:16am
Thanks for the info Dalamchops, Wingman  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 2:54am
It's the Pictures of Your Blades thread, last page. Ole77 posted pics of his new Senkoh-90.. |
Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:10am
If I don't hear any down sides of those BTY new 1 ply after a couple member tried it, I would get it too. The price is quite tempting.  ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:17am
i want a speed 90 with a flared handle
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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:19am
finally theres a market for 1 ply hinoki for all those with thin wallets! ------------- i lost my racquet Schlager u beast http://www.youtube.com/MDSguy" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/MDSguy |
Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:23am
Will you get the Senkoh 90 too, Holda? ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:27am
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no,probably not.i am tempeted by speed 90 more.don't know why.
i will buy ma lin extra offensive just out of curiosity.i don't want to carry speed 90 to play with everybody.gotta have something simple,but well made.yasaka brand i trust
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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:31am
may be they will have these on sale they probably will not....so long as i don't do anything spontaneous,again.i gotta say speed 90 is made ou tof superb wood.that is why i want a back -up...insanity,i think that;s what it is
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Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:48am
If YEO Cpen sells for that Megaspin price, I would grab it too. Please let me know how it plays. ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:50am
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Rockphish, the grain looks similar to my Kokutaku (subtle and not distinctive), only it is tighter on my Kokutaku. I think you would not be disappointed with this one. If you see the Speed 90 at the top of this thread, it is more distinctive and strong lines of grain (unless if the picture of the Senkoh is not representative because of the angle of shooting and the sharpness of the picture). ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:52am
Same color as well? ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 3:56am
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Wingman, I forgot already what the color looks like, sorry. Holda, what thickness you are thinking of ? ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 4:02am
Oh, no worries. It just that I also believe that darker in color would means more speed (might be due to longer drying process, etc) ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 4:33am
Then for sure mine has no dark color. Perhaps this is another aspect to ponder. It seems like we are going deeper and deeper into this single ply hinoki world
------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 11:08am
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I personally like wider grain that is even and clear. Take a look at the paddle below used by Ryu Seun Min. uploads/New/20080421_110742_rsm.jpg - uploads/New/20080421_110742_rsm.jpg ------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 1:48pm
i do not want..at least for now one of these butterfly blades...but i think i would go for either 8.5 or 9.0 mm blade
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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 1:51pm
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Posted By: Wingman
Date Posted: 04/21/2008 at 2:32pm
Good to see the gold medalist's blade upclose  ------------- A Proud Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Speed90 Cpen: F3 Big Slam Max, Xtend 2.0 89/160 grams H-1-9 FL: Impuls speed 2.0, QUAD420 Max 90/161 grams |