Blade with feeling
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Topic: Blade with feeling
Posted By: kmh888
Subject: Blade with feeling
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 1:27pm
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Dear all, I'm interesting in buying a new blade while back in malaysia....I've shortlisted the blades that I'm looking at, just wondering whether anyone can give any feedback on the feeling and touch factor of the blade below? I know they're all pretty fast. Avalox p500
Avalox Blue thunder 555
Stiga Tube Carbo
Ma Lin soft carbon
Ma Lin extra offensive
Also im Not too sure of the availability of avalox blades......anyone know of a dealer in KL Malaysia?
Thanks in advance,
Patrick ------------- Gatien Extra FH: Hurricane Provincial BH: Palio CJ800 Speed Special thick glue |
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Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 1:34pm
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I've never really understood the concept of what a blade with good "feeling" actually feels like. Maybe I've never owned a blade with exceptionally good feeling. If the blade is slower does it tend to have more feeling? Bceause I've personally never really owned a slow blade, all either medium speed or very fast.
I am familiar with and know the terms of, sweet spots on a blade. And good control.. But can someone explain to me exactly what it means for a blade to have good feel, please?
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Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 2:08pm
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Stiga Tube Carbo, very fast, little feeling
Avalox P500, most feeling, much slower So there are a lot of difference between all your choices. |
Posted By: kmh888
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 2:19pm
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p500 is slow?! ------------- Gatien Extra FH: Hurricane Provincial BH: Palio CJ800 Speed Special thick glue |
Posted By: Mithrra
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 2:31pm
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Blade with good feeling.... in my opinion would be a softer blade like Nittaku Accoustic.... has been known for its feeling of the ball as well as its speed.... ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club *Non-Stop Changing Equipments!!!* HADO ST ASUKA 1 ply hinoki Accoustic FL AVX J-Power KKT Cho Tokusen-Tenergy05 |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 3:47pm
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Avalox p500 is a VERY SPECIAL blade. I traded for a ST on the forum just recently and I'm really impressed with it. It's not a rocket, like Violin speed wise. The outer ply is very soft giving the blade great touch for over the table shots. Actually I put some sheets of JO Silver on here and couldn't believe the spin compared to the energy wood I had them on before - the p500 adds spin and also made the JO more controllable. I have solcion on the p500 now and its just great to play with. It's really a question of preference, but for me personally the p500 hits a definite sweet spot in terms of softness + springiness. I have a Visse balsa that is more soft and more springy, but loses a bit on straight hitting and blocking - p500 works well for those as well. Avalox is based in Malaysia as I recall so there must be a way to get your hands on one. First thing I did was use some fine grain 600 grit sandpaper on it, sealed the edges and single sealed the outside plies, and it really looks good. Will post pics later today. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 3:58pm
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THE TEMPTATIONS
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Posted By: Mithrra
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 11:24pm
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dalamchops, how would u compare your acoustic c with your photino c? ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club *Non-Stop Changing Equipments!!!* HADO ST ASUKA 1 ply hinoki Accoustic FL AVX J-Power KKT Cho Tokusen-Tenergy05 |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 11:35pm
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i don't know, it's in NY right now. Don't even try to rob the customs ;p Your item arrived in the United States at ISC NEW YORK NY (USPS) at 7:40 PM on April 30, 2008. if the EMS mailman delivers then someone will be able to get it. If not, no one will be home to sign for it :/ ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: Mithrra
Date Posted: 04/30/2008 at 11:41pm
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ohhh.... still havent arrive..... ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club *Non-Stop Changing Equipments!!!* HADO ST ASUKA 1 ply hinoki Accoustic FL AVX J-Power KKT Cho Tokusen-Tenergy05 |
Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 1:08am
| you are missing two of the best blades 4 feeling off this list the andro carbo-aramid spck and the korbel blade by bty.andro is full of feeling very good for blocking and othe stuff as well as the korbel blade |
Posted By: reachie85
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 1:59am
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really depends on how you like in a blade, some ppl prefer no vibration, others prefer some vibration. my dad has a cypress s that i just can't play with, there's no vibration, and i barely feel the ball when it hits. my yeo gives a good amount of feedback on contact which to some ppl could be disruptive. in general, all wood blades give more feedback than composite blades, there is one good blade you left off the list: ma lin carbon, it's got the closest feel to an all wood blade of any carbon blades i've tried (granted it's a short list). don't know how the ma lin soft carbon feels though... if you like the feel of the ye that you are currently using, then both of the yasaka blades on the list can be good choices. i didn't like the tube carbo when i was trying a friend's shakehand blade, but the energy wood felt really nice. ------------- BL: Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive CPen FH: Haifu Blue Whale 2 BH: Nittaku Nodias |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 2:09am
| No, P500 has more feeling; Korbel is faster. |
Posted By: kmh888
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 4:27pm
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klkl........ didnt know korbel had lots of feeling >.< ------------- Gatien Extra FH: Hurricane Provincial BH: Palio CJ800 Speed Special thick glue |
Posted By: kmh888
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 4:28pm
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p500 speed in relation to yasaka extra speed ? ------------- Gatien Extra FH: Hurricane Provincial BH: Palio CJ800 Speed Special thick glue |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 6:43pm
It's like this - when I drive my wife's SUV it feels very safe and big and roomy but you don't get the feeling of the road because it's farther away from you and you are separated from it by seven layers of suspension etc. When I get back into my small car, it's bumpy and less safe but I feel every little bit of the road and I know exactly where all of the corners of my car are... almost as if I can feel it as an extension of my body. Same with the blade: more feeling means that you are more "connected" to the ball, the ball placement and understanding of its trajectory becomes more apparent to you (thru your eye/hand/brain connection). It doesn't necessarily means more vibration like some people think. I actually do not like vibration at all but my blades have had various levels of feeling, some of them had a lot of it but they were a bit on the slower side. My current primary blade (offensive) has much more feeling than even many slower blades - probably due to some soft carbon/aramid combination with specific wood and/or general construction (I am not sure at all). If you could try it, you would see immediately what I mean, I am sure. Usually it is related to the softness of touch or to your feeling of better control (although the latter is more dependent on the rubbers that you use) and to your own individual preferences, of course. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Swiffers wrote:Posted By: F.Z.
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 6:45pm
| best feeling: bty kiso hinoki |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/01/2008 at 6:48pm
If you mean Kiso Hinoki V or 7 then you could go even further and suggest a 1-ply Hinoki like Senkoh or Darker Tanpan etc. But that would shift "feeling" too much into "softness" and I think that feeling is a more inclusive notion in TT. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: kmh888
Date Posted: 05/05/2008 at 2:21pm
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Avalox p500
Avalox Blue thunder 555
Stiga Tube Carbo
Ma Lin soft carbon
Ma Lin extra offensive
>.< any comments on personal experience on speed to feeling ratio? ------------- Gatien Extra FH: Hurricane Provincial BH: Palio CJ800 Speed Special thick glue |
Posted By: culvch
Date Posted: 05/06/2008 at 1:50am
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kmh888, Feeling is very subjective to individual. Most blades made in Sweden have little bit of vibration and normally this equates to feeling.
You tend to have a better feel of the ball on impact compare to composite blade like carbon blade where it's still and the ball will bounce back upon impact (eg BTY primorac carbon). Besides Stiga Tube Carbo, I believe the rest of the blade as listed by you have good feeling.
I you are in Penang State (Butterworth) and if familiar with Malaysia, you can buy the Avalox directly from the owner. You can go to the website at http://www.hypertt.com - www.hypertt.com and call the number to make appointment with them. Talk to the owner Mr & Mrs Koay. They are the one I believed will be qualified to explain to you what blade to choose.
If you are coming to Kuala Lumpur, the place I know off is Gold Medal Sports at UE3 shopping mall in Cheras where you can also buy the Avalox blade. You may contact the owner Mr Ling at 016-2131707. My friend and I normally rent a table there for our tt session every Saturday from 5pm onwards. If you happened to be there pay us a visit. You can call me Leon and perhaps we can exhange knowledge on blades.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/06/2008 at 10:17am
Dear JimT,
It's always cool when someone puts more light on such a complicated concept as "balde feeling". Your analogy is so clear.
I wanted to say that a few weeks ago I enjoyed this definition too:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16310&PID=174210#174210 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16310&PID=174210#174210
I like the way doraemon separates primary and residual vibrations to say that bigger primary vibration with minimal residual vibration means maximized feeling.
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Posted By: ahinoki
Date Posted: 05/10/2008 at 6:16pm
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Patrick Don't know if you have considered a custom made blade. You may want to check http://www.americanHinoki.com - http://www.americanHinoki.com Please read the feedback and individual blade reviews. My 1-plys have very nice feel, especially the NWC and WRC. Ahinoki |