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Topic: [haggisv] Best of Brand series - Joola
Posted By: haggisv
Subject: [haggisv] Best of Brand series - Joola
Date Posted: 07/20/2008 at 7:51pm

As the last thread on the "best of brand - Butterfly" seemed quite succesful, I'll continue onto the next brand: Joola.

What we're after here is opinions on what are the best rubbers/blades from this particular brand. It would be great to get as many opinions as possible about which you think are notable/special products from the particular brand, and a brief reason why. It's not about finding out which is THE most popular, but about finding a range of rubbers/blades from that manufacturer which are good and stand out a little.

This can be useful and interesting for anyone to find out a little about a brand, and can be particularly helpful to those that only have access to one or 2 brands, or have a personal preference to a particular brand.

I will also run it at the other major forums, and after a week or 2 I'll compile the list and summarise the comments. Then we can start on the next brand.

Brand of this thread: Joola
 
[Brands covered already: Butterfly]
 
Cheers!


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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 07/20/2008 at 9:41pm
hmm Joola aye?

In China, it's definately the K5,
but personally I'd say the KOOL!, Sting, and the Viva.

The KOOL! provide excellent feeling for an incredably fast blade,
the Sting and the Viva are 7 ply blades that aren't hard as a rock.

Oh, I almost forgot! TANGO EXTREM!!! IMO, the Joola rubbers went downhill after that.


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Posted By: cougar3219
Date Posted: 07/20/2008 at 9:46pm
Take a look at the bottom of this page...........................Do I need to say more?

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Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 07/20/2008 at 9:58pm
Mambo H should really be there, great rubber!
 
The Joola Samba and the regular Mambo are also really popular..


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/20/2008 at 11:17pm
Tango and tango extreme are my definite favouries too... the Kool seems like a great balsa blade... have not tried any of the others...

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Posted By: djef33
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 12:41am

The Joola rosskopf fire is an incredible blade for looping. pretty fast and amazing touch.


Posted By: DragonSpirit
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 4:55am
Cool Kool blade!


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 4:57am
DS and his KOOOOOOL blade, ive played with it  abit, feels awesome man

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Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 1:37pm
I believe the EGP should be one of the best products of Joola, based on my experience but also many opinions I have seen in the forums. Initially in the market it was priced at $35, but currently it is found $45+, which is a bit overpriced. If the price drops it could be a hit, but I think now other newer products have probably similar performance.


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Posted By: IceDefence
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 4:34pm
I second that

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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 5:08pm
The Kool does feel awesome, it's like holding Excaliber or something, it just feels very special, but it's freakin fast :P. Do they make a slightly slower Balsa? similar to the Kool?
 
I have the Rosskopf Force, It plays like any other fast carbon blade all be it a very high quality one


Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 6:01pm

I really don't like the Rosskopf Fire. Imo it has no feeling at all! (I have owned 2 of the first type, and have one of the new type now)

But the Rosskopf Allround deserves a place on the list I think..


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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 9:15pm
Sorry for not being able to contribute to this thread based on my own experience.  But seeing my club members who use Joola, most of them use Joola MC-1 with Energy Green Power on FH.  One member particularly has MC-1 with EGP on FH and short pips on BH.  This set-up is very light, but fast.

Just curious, what is the Joola equivalent to the likes of Korbel, OC, Dicon, etc. (basic 5-ply wood with medium speed)?


Posted By: BHDoom
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 9:22pm

im selling this joola k1 for cheap, similar to the blade type you are describing

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Posted By: phantagarow
Date Posted: 07/21/2008 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by Schlager Schlager wrote:

I really don't like the Rosskopf Fire. Imo it has no feeling at all! (I have owned 2 of the first type, and have one of the new type now)

But the Rosskopf Allround deserves a place on the list I think..



Just curious. If you don't like it why did you have three?


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/22/2008 at 12:45am
Thanks for the feedback everyone!
 
What do you think about Joola pricing?
 
It seems to be distributed very well, most countries seem to be good access...
 
Cheers!


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Posted By: Ginko Tai Kim
Date Posted: 07/22/2008 at 5:12am
1) table tennis tables - really good high quality tables (22mm table top), better than stiga but is more expensive.
2) Tango/Tango extrem - probably the first and most widely used built in tensor rubber
3)R1/MC1 - good quality balsa blades and affordable.
4) Terminator - one of my all time faves, not really popular. Works really well with couple layers of speed glue and in 2.6mm sponge thickness.
5) Air Rosnet - hehe spelt tensor backwards , really good rubber and very fast. Not popular.
 
 
....well regards on Joola and there prices. They charge too much on there products especially on there rubber products. EG Tango Extrem, Octopus.... LOL Octopus IMO greatly resembles the P1-R and yet they still charge almost double, and where we are the tango is still the same price from when it still came out but the Desto F1 has drop in price. Not sure why the german company doesn't compete more with pricing though?, if they did than it would rival the Jap companies.
 
 
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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/22/2008 at 6:28am
Cheers Ginko, great detail!

Gekogark1212: You mentioned the K5... do you know anything about this blade... technology sounds impressive but does it work?Tongue


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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 2:05am
Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Gekogark1212: You mentioned the K5... do you know anything about this blade... technology sounds impressive but does it work?Tongue


All that mumbo-jumbo honeycomb technology does is decrease the weight and vibrations, and offering a unique feeling (like P700, 1-ply hinoki, Acoustic..each a unique feeling, some swear by it, some swear at it)...although the handle is nice ^_^

I can tell you amongst the not-so-famous brands, the K5 and the Samsonov Alpha gets mentioned the most in Chinese forums and magazines...mainly because they are well balanced (not too fast, good control, does everything well) type of blades.


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 2:32am
Cheers for that!
 
Wish I could read the chinese forums, I bet there's a wealth of information there!


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Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 4:02am
You don't need to read the Chinese forums for that. You just have to read the Manufacture's description about the product. The manufactures bring out products after doing quality control and approval from world top players who knows the game well.

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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 7:59am
Originally posted by varghesep varghesep wrote:

You don't need to read the Chinese forums for that. You just have to read the Manufacture's description about the product. The manufactures bring out products after doing quality control and approval from world top players who knows the game well.


I can't think of many chinese rubbers that actually have a useful description on the back of the packet or anywhere else... virtually all the description is pure marketing and making it sound like the best rubber in the worldConfused

Anyway... I'm digressing... back to Joola...


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Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 8:36am
Originally posted by varghesep varghesep wrote:

You don't need to read the Chinese forums for that. You just have to read the Manufacture's description about the product. The manufactures bring out products after doing quality control and approval from world top players who knows the game well.


Oh dear. You actually believe all that marketing crap?


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Posted By: djef33
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 11:10am


The rosskopf fire no feel !!!
I understand that everything is a matter of opinion but this one blow me away. I think it is the best feel of any blade i've tried. We cannot possibly talk about the same one.


Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:


I can't think of many chinese rubbers that actually have a useful description on the back of the packet or anywhere else... virtually all the description is pure marketing and making it sound like the best rubber in the worldConfused

Anyway... I'm digressing... back to Joola...
 
Remind me to type you out the back of the packet from the original Yaska Gold Tornado tomorrow. Fair enough it might have been the best rubber out in it's time but the text on the packet is CLASSIC, very funny stuff :)


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 6:27pm
Yes some of the description are actually very funny... In fact we should start a new thread asking for the funniest descriptions on the back or rubber... should bring out some good one Approve

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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by gekogark1212 gekogark1212 wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Gekogark1212: You mentioned the K5... do you know anything about this blade... technology sounds impressive but does it work?Tongue


All that mumbo-jumbo honeycomb technology does is decrease the weight and vibrations, and offering a unique feeling (like P700, 1-ply hinoki, Acoustic..each a unique feeling, some swear by it, some swear at it)...although the handle is nice ^_^

I can tell you amongst the not-so-famous brands, the K5 and the Samsonov Alpha gets mentioned the most in Chinese forums and magazines...mainly because they are well balanced (not too fast, good control, does everything well) type of blades.


I remember reading old Joola catalog.  It said that K-series are best seller.  I think they used to have K1, K3, K4, K5.  Amazingly enough, for those included in the best seller series, only K5 is still being offered in the current Joola catalog.  It might mean that K5 is really good, or it might mean that other K-series are so-so, only K5 is acceptable.

Geko, how does K5 play?  Is it, in anyway, similar to Samsonov Alpha?

In my club, like I mentioned before, MC-1 rules!!!  Have not seen anyone use Kool, although it is talked a lot here.


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/23/2008 at 9:38pm
Cheers doraemon!
 
I get the impresson that Joola balsa blades are easily their most popular. Perhaps this is not surprising as many other manufacturer don't actually make thick balsa blades... even Butterfly did not have till recently with the X3 and X5.


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/24/2008 at 1:11am
I'm actually suprised more people don't use blasa blades, the best player where I live (Western Victoria) uses a balsa blade without speed glue.  And so do I but it's not a very common choice for some reason. Maybe it's because they feel different most people give up on them before they get used to it


Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 07/24/2008 at 6:50am
Quite a few players where I am used to use balsa blades. My coach (top o40s vet) gave up on his because it's too bouncy over the table. I gave up on mine because it tended to stall from long distance.

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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 07/24/2008 at 7:15am
What Balsa blades is most popular?

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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 07/24/2008 at 10:46am
Originally posted by varghesep varghesep wrote:

...You just have to read the Manufacture's description about the product...




Lol!


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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 07/24/2008 at 11:32am
yeah just Read it


Posted By: ttkenny
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 12:20am
I would have to agree with Alex, the description on the rubber package is not very accurate on many of the rubbers, especially the Chinese rubbers!  It is all about the person who uses it and how they use it.  The best of series topic is a good spin on product brands.
 
For Joola, I recall that the Mambo rubber series is quite nice for looping and LOUD CLICKING. 
 
For some of these sites, all you will need to do is use one of the free translators online to read the webpage.  It may not be perfect english upon translation but it is understandable enough....
 


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 3:57am
Thanks ttkenny! Yes you're right, we all experience the rubbers differently. The description can be guide in some cased, but in most cases, particularly chinese rubbers, it's pure marketing.

Yes you're right, the translators can be quite helpful sometimes... still nothing better than getting people's personal opinions, which is why I think this series is really useful...

Anyone else got any comments before we go to the next brand? Cheers!


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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 5:22am
Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:


I remember reading old Joola catalog.  It said that K-series are best seller.  I think they used to have K1, K3, K4, K5.  Amazingly enough, for those included in the best seller series, only K5 is still being offered in the current Joola catalog.  It might mean that K5 is really good, or it might mean that other K-series are so-so, only K5 is acceptable.

Geko, how does K5 play?  Is it, in anyway, similar to Samsonov Alpha?



Yeh, Joola got rid of some good stuff. The old viva was just great for the post-glue era, but the new one is thicker and I heard they've changed the wood.

Anyway, I only had a few knocks with the K5, it struck me as an allround blade since I was using really fast stuff back then (not like the speed 90 is that much slower now)...but the shots with it was very stable. Since when I hit with it my loop was still developing and I often put way too much power on it, but everything still went on.

Also it was well balanced. The Sam Alpha I got to try was actually a bit head heavy (also could be rubbers though, so don't read into this too much). The K5 is definately faster than the alpha though.


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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 5:40am
Gekogark1212, thanks for the review.


Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 5:49am
Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

Originally posted by gekogark1212 gekogark1212 wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Gekogark1212: You mentioned the K5... do you know anything about this blade... technology sounds impressive but does it work?Tongue


All that mumbo-jumbo honeycomb technology does is decrease the weight and vibrations, and offering a unique feeling (like P700, 1-ply hinoki, Acoustic..each a unique feeling, some swear by it, some swear at it)...although the handle is nice ^_^

I can tell you amongst the not-so-famous brands, the K5 and the Samsonov Alpha gets mentioned the most in Chinese forums and magazines...mainly because they are well balanced (not too fast, good control, does everything well) type of blades.


I remember reading old Joola catalog.  It said that K-series are best seller.  I think they used to have K1, K3, K4, K5.  Amazingly enough, for those included in the best seller series, only K5 is still being offered in the current Joola catalog.  It might mean that K5 is really good, or it might mean that other K-series are so-so, only K5 is acceptable.

Geko, how does K5 play?  Is it, in anyway, similar to Samsonov Alpha?

In my club, like I mentioned before, MC-1 rules!!!  Have not seen anyone use Kool, although it is talked a lot here.
 
MC-1 is a beast. It is light and really fast. But it does not have much dwell time. It is good for smashing/attack.
 
Kool is light too. It is a little shower than MC-1, but it have much more flexible with much dwell time. Kool is great looping blade.


Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 6:08am
I get so frustrated to read this thread. Why hasn't anyone mentioned the excellent Joola Cat blade? Perhaps its because its been (or is about to be) discontinued?

I found it to be an excellent allround blade especially suitable for pips play.

It seems to me that most people tend to recommend the more extreme rubbers and blades and we all tend to forget that there are excellent allround equipment as well...

I suspect that Joola has very high demands on quality as I've played with 4 different Cat blades and they all felt exactly the same, unlike others were I have tried two blades and felt a noticeable difference in them.

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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 6:30am
Is the Joola cat the slower blasa I was looking at before I ordered the Kool I wonder? I knew they had some other balsa's because I remember trying to decide between them. I've it's like Kool but slower it must be perfect


Posted By: BHDoom
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 11:26am
if anyone in this thread wants to buy a Joola K1 in great shape for cheap pm me, looking for $21 shipped in US, feel free to make me a trade offer or an offer at a lower price and we can see what we can work out

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Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by nicefrog nicefrog wrote:

Is the Joola cat the slower blasa I was looking at before I ordered the Kool I wonder? I knew they had some other balsa's because I remember trying to decide between them. I've it's like Kool but slower it must be perfect


I think it is the panther the one you are referring to, the cat is supposed to be a slower version of the panther. The kool is probably much faster than both. I have the cat and the kool and I must admit the cat is not that slow. The kool though is very fast.


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/25/2008 at 6:49pm
I noticed a few stores don't even carry the cat or panther anymore... have they been discontinued?

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Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 2:49am
Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

I noticed a few stores don't even carry the cat or panther anymore... have they been discontinued?


Not only these two, the K1, K3, Carbon SWE, Carbon Pro, Sheik and many more have left the arsenal of Joola. I see them now as stock leftovers in a few shops, mostly on sale. This company seems to be renewing their offerings pretty often. And many of the discontinued blades also seem to be pretty nice. But probably did not sell as much as Joola would like... The cat and panther had actually pretty decent reviews on the net, especially for their price, while I have found also carbon pro to be an excellent blade, with thick soft outer layers, big sweet spot and relatively light and slow for a carbon blade, which makes for a sweet choice for several type of players. Now actually at $45 in a couple of places it is a really good deal...


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 6:13am
sigh, you guys cost me alot of money :). I had to order the Panther and Sheik before there was none left


Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 11:08am
Originally posted by nicefrog nicefrog wrote:

sigh, you guys cost me alot of money :). I had to order the Panther and Sheik before there was none left


Hahahaha, sorry about that! LOL


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 8:27pm
Originally posted by dimitris dimitris wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

I noticed a few stores don't even carry the cat or panther anymore... have they been discontinued?


Not only these two, the K1, K3, Carbon SWE, Carbon Pro, Sheik and many more have left the arsenal of Joola. I see them now as stock leftovers in a few shops, mostly on sale. This company seems to be renewing their offerings pretty often. And many of the discontinued blades also seem to be pretty nice. But probably did not sell as much as Joola would like... The cat and panther had actually pretty decent reviews on the net, especially for their price, while I have found also carbon pro to be an excellent blade, with thick soft outer layers, big sweet spot and relatively light and slow for a carbon blade, which makes for a sweet choice for several type of players. Now actually at $45 in a couple of places it is a really good deal...


That's good information, thank you!


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Posted By: phantagarow
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 8:42pm
When I looked at the reviews of Panther at DTTW, they all seemed horrible.

Am I missing something?


Posted By: IceDefence
Date Posted: 07/26/2008 at 9:05pm
For me, Mambo series, Sama serie and Joola Panther

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Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/27/2008 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by phantagarow phantagarow wrote:

When I looked at the reviews of Panther at DTTW, they all seemed horrible.

Am I missing something?


Well, a couple actually were favorable... :-) But you are right, a few people there dislike that blade. Geoff from aussietabletennis seem to like panther, considering he is naming it "a loopers dream" combined with tango (http://www.aussietabletennis.com/?Nav=HintsTips&hints_id=18&PageID=37&wp=37).
Algo in this thread the blade is discussed a bit: http://www.tabletennis.gr/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9795

By the way, the joola cat has a '10' average in DTTW, but only from 2 reviews, and it is pretty similar to panther according to a few people discussing these blades, just a bit slower. So it might be that these both blades create far different emotions on different people. I guess in general balsa core blades get a mixed response, people seem to love them or hate them...

I think speedplay has played with cat, so he can give an opinion on that one. Personally i think the blade is not bad at all, especially for its price, the workmanship is great, but for me it proved a bit faster than I like, could not find a good match with the rubbers I tried on it.

Anyone who has played with panther can tell us more about it too...


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 3:35am
Here is my summary of the most notable / special rubbers and blades from the Joola brand. This is not meant to promote or criticize the Joola brand or products in any way, it�s simply a summary of opinions of the more famous and highly regarded products of the brand.

Overview:
The brand JOOLA has its origin in the 1950s when it was popular to combine the names of companies and cities. The sports section of the department store JOOss in LAndau was involved in the production of the first table tennis tables in 1952. Joola has grown to become a major player among the table tennis manufacturers, offering the complete range of equipment, and having shown some great innovation in their products.

Their blades are believed to be made in Germany, Hungary, Sweden and possibly some in China. A large portion of their rubbers are made in the German ESN factory, home to the majority of top Tensor (Tensor is a trademark of ESN) rubbers in the world. The remainder of their rubbers are made in Japan and China.

After talking to many people, and getting lots of great feedback from people on the table tennis forums, I�ve summarised the most popular Joola rubbers and blades below. Although the popularity can be biassed by marketing and availability, there are some that many agree on to be great products, so there must be something to it�

Rubbers:
Joola Tango has been without a doubt the most popular Joola rubber. It was one of the first Tensor rubbers released onto the market, and the unique feel and inbuilt speed-glue effect made it very popular. As demand for more speed grew, Joola released the Tango Extrem, a considerably faster version of the Tango, which also became quite popular.

The Tensors appear to be the most popular Joola rubbers. The Energy Green Power in particular, and more recently the Energy X-Tra and Air Rosnet have enjoyed moderate popularity. Only very recently Joola released the Express One and Express Two rubbers, but it�s too early to judge how good these new rubber are. With several other major manufacturers releasing Tensor rubbers, it is getting harder to retain a competitive advantage.

Tensor are not for everyone, and Joola has released some other rubbers with reasonable success. The Japanese made like Mambo, Mambo H, the Samba and Drum all enjoyed some popularity, but don�t stand out as much as the Tensors. With the speed glue ban now in place, they may become less popular as some of these need glue to really come alive.

The Tango Ultra is one of the most successful short pimple rubbers, offering great spin potential and control, thanks to the wide pimpled grippy topsheet and the Tensor sponge. Joola Snabb also deserve a mention.

For the more defensive players, there is the Joola Tony Hold Antitop which is held in high regard. Some of the long pimpled rubbers, like the Fakir and Razor, did not survive the ITTF frictionless long pimple ban, although Octopus, rumoured to be made by TSP Japan, has gained some popularity since it�s release.

Blades:
Joola is not one of the most popular brands for its blades, although they have enjoyed some success with some of their range and are generally regarded as high quality blades. The Balsa core blades appear to be the most successful. The Joola Kool, Panther and Cat were quite popular for a while, but the Kool appears to be the only one still made, as is easily the most popular of the three. More recently the Joola MC1 and R*1 have gained some popularity too.

The K-series appeared to have been very popular in China, although only their most popular, the K5 appears to be still made. A few others like the Fever, Viva, Guo 3C deserve a mention, but have never become very popular. Similarly some of the Rosskopf blade, like the Fire, Force & Allround deserve a mention.

For a modern defensive blade, the Chen Weixing is easily the most popular and highly regarded blade from Joola. The Hold White deserves a mention as well and has a small following.

Final words:
It is likely that a player of any level and style can find something appropriate from the Joola brand, but this is the case for many of the other major brands too. Hopefully this summary will be useful for Joola fans or those that only have this brand available to choose from. Joola do have a range of other table tennis related items, in fact they pretty much sell everything related to table tennis, but blades and rubbers are the extent of this write-up.

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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 6:06am
I dont know where you got this info but the Rossi allround is one of most popular allround blades!


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 7:05am
You may be right, but since almost no-one mentioned it, it could indicate that this is not the case in other countries or areas, or it's not so popular anymore. This writeup is simply a summary of all the feedback I've received from players I've talked to and from the 3 forum, so that is what it's based on...

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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 7:18am
Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

You may be right, but since almost no-one mentioned it, it could indicate that this is not the case in other countries or areas, or it's not so popular anymore. This writeup is simply a summary of all the feedback I've received from players I've talked to and from the 3 forum, so that is what it's based on...
 
it is but probably not in australia asia and usa. in europe allround blades are much more popular.


Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 7:18am
Nice write up, the more expensive ones are definatly very high end blades as far as quality goes, it allways seems to be the case with the Euro blades :0 (and best of all they fit Euro hands) this is what the world is waiting for China to catch up on (quality) they are trying hard but still have a way to go yet


Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 1:55pm
P.S my soon to be extinct Panther and $heik/Sheik have been shipped, I'll let you guys know how they are in a couple weeks just for historys sake. The Sheik is supposed to be similar to the Kool but slower


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

You may be right, but since almost no-one mentioned it, it could indicate that this is not the case in other countries or areas, or it's not so popular anymore. This writeup is simply a summary of all the feedback I've received from players I've talked to and from the 3 forum, so that is what it's based on...
 
it is but probably not in australia asia and usa. in europe allround blades are much more popular.
 
Yes I believe you... the forums seem to have a much smaller number of European members, so that will bias the findings...


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by nicefrog nicefrog wrote:

P.S my soon to be extinct Panther and $heik/Sheik have been shipped, I'll let you guys know how they are in a couple weeks just for historys sake. The Sheik is supposed to be similar to the Kool but slower
 
Pssst If they're good, don't tell anyone, or I'll have to update my essay aboveBig%20smileLOL


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/29/2008 at 8:28pm
If they are good you better start a petition to get them back in production :!) as far as I can see from someone that doesn't use glue, balsa blades maybe soon in for a comeback :D


Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 07/30/2008 at 8:48am
Some joola blades are also made in Hungary (or were), probably a large number of them. My carbon pro said that on the box, the others I got used so do not know where they were made. But I am sure I read somewhere recently that they have a factory in Hungary.


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/30/2008 at 9:31am
Originally posted by dimitris dimitris wrote:

Some joola blades are also made in Hungary (or were), probably a large number of them. My carbon pro said that on the box, the others I got used so do not know where they were made. But I am sure I read somewhere recently that they have a factory in Hungary.


Thank you, I believe you're right and I've edit the summary.


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