Sriver G3 and Sriver G3 FX
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Topic: Sriver G3 and Sriver G3 FX
Posted By: Stavros
Subject: Sriver G3 and Sriver G3 FX
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 7:30am
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Sriver G3 and Sriver G3 FX available from early October. "Butterfly newsletter, September 2008" ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 7:33am
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Read it, couldn't find anything about G3. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 8:13am
You must subscribe to get the latest pdf (September). After some days you will find it on butterfly-world.com. They haven't included the September's yet.  
------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: BKTT
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 8:51am
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it may even be marketed already in the korean market, or so i thought ------------- CL+H3+64 |
Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 11:15am
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Can someone explain the differences, pros and cons. A comparison between SriverG2 and G3? ------------- 
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Posted By: IceDefence
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 11:58am
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Maybe just the same as between H2 and H3? ------------- DHS PG2-L FH: Butterfly Tackiness Chop II Red 1.9 BH: Joola Poker Black 1.2 |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 11:59am
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I thin its like most people say, it feels like an sriver but glued
------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/02/2008 at 12:02pm
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I got this from tabletennis.gr forum! it's a review of the sriver g3: http://www.tabletennis.gr/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10753 ------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 6:45pm
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You can find in Butterfly.com the September 2008 Newsletter which has the Sriver G3 and Sriver G3 FX...
------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: IceDefence
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 7:13pm
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I cant wait to get my hands over these 2 rubbs ------------- DHS PG2-L FH: Butterfly Tackiness Chop II Red 1.9 BH: Joola Poker Black 1.2 |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 7:26pm
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I want them so bad.... lol
------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: sadius
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 9:28pm
| http://www.butterfly-tt.org/newsletter/butterfly-news.pdf - http://www.butterfly-tt.org/newsletter/butterfly-news.pdf |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 9:31pm
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The package of the Sriver G3 FX is blue, maybe this is the butterfly rubber that has the blue sponge?!!!
------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 10:18pm
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I thought Sriver-G2 wasnt worth the hype or the money at all. it seemed like a rubber that just didint have anything special to it, and was a little on the heavier side. I dont expect Sriver-G3 to be much better. I think Catapult and Ceremt and Even Bryce are way better buys than Sriver-G2 and now Sriver-G3 that is probably going to be even more expensive.
------------- Korbel ST H3 Neo 2.2 Desto F3 2.0 USA: 1522 CAN: 809 |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 10:28pm
36 euros it says in the news letter. And if it really feels like an sriver glued I think it's worth the money  ------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
DeathAngel wrote:Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 11:21pm
Then you cant have a red rubber. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/03/2008 at 11:24pm
Maybe black rubbers will have blue sponges (like H3 pro). Or maybe is a really light blue...we have to wait a little more ------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 09/04/2008 at 12:06am
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who knows, butterfly really surprised me with tenergy and bryce speed....I'm gonna throw the pessimistic side of me out the window for me and count on the best for G3! ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 09/04/2008 at 1:11am
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it looks to me like it has a smaller price than the bryce speed, i am thinking 4000yens at iru
if you look at the sponge hardness on the pdf it's more than obvious (to me at least) 38* and 32*, that it's sriver g2 (perhaps with an update) on the same sponges the bryce speed's have ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 09/04/2008 at 1:16am
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i really don't see bty painting it's sponges blue... the colour is not that important really, they just use different colours on different sponges
i am also eager to try the g3, i don't like tenergy, or bryce for that matter but g3 should to be closer to what i want ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/04/2008 at 11:31am
You know you want your black G3 with dark blue sponge like H3 on #21  . Just kidding but I think It'll really look cool!------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 10:44am
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I will test it on next week ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 10:57am
Which one - regular or FX? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 10:59am
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I dont know at the moment it depends on what Butterfly sent me for test. Ususally I get both 2.0~2.1 (Speed series, Stiga Boost series, platin series) ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 3:06pm
I don't see the logic there... The bryce speed fx has a black packagin tho it doen't have a black sponge........ ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Rtenkmt6M Self-made video please watch and comment |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 4:41pm
Someone said that one of the new butterfly rubbers will have a blue sponge, si I though it might be that one  ------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: Mr. Cermet
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 5:00pm
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No, the sponge is yellow.
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Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 5:28pm
Have you use it?!?!  ------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 09/16/2008 at 5:30pm
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I've got both of them already (samples from BTY) haven't had a good look on them, and won't be able to play them for a week though.. ------------- Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
Posted By: Aeros 1975
Date Posted: 09/17/2008 at 2:24am
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PLLsystem, Schlager: looking forward for your very soon reviews! thanx ------------- Ignito & Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/19/2008 at 5:25am
| how's the weight of the uncut rubbers?!? |
Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 09/19/2008 at 7:05am
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Right now I'm out of town, and the rubbers are at home, so I don't know.. I can weigh them when I come back.. ------------- Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
Posted By: BKTT
Date Posted: 09/19/2008 at 11:31am
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For those who can read Chinese, there's this detailed review here, analysing the technical aspects of this rubber:
http://www.sundns.org/discuz/viewthread.php?tid=283390&extra=page%3D1 One very odd thing is that Sriver G3 and G3FX seems will not be realised in the Japanese market (according to this reviewer). If someone from Japan can confirm this it would be most useful. ------------- CL+H3+64 |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/19/2008 at 11:42am
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good read, sounds like it. The reason would be that Sriver G3 would clash with Bryce Speed FX's market. The similarity between Bryce Speed and Sriver G3 is scary, besides that G3 is a tiny bit softer.
------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/19/2008 at 12:03pm
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So Sriver G3 is soft? it's a no go then, for me.. ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/20/2008 at 4:40am
| If Sriver G3 is light... than it would be great! |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/20/2008 at 6:09am
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G3/G3 FX opening
In Hungarian: http://www.pllsystem.hu/comment.php?comment.news.102 - http://www.pllsystem.hu/comment.php?comment.news.102
Well. I got a G3 2.1 red and a G3FX 2.1 black. As we know it is tha max thickness in case of almost all High Tension rubbers. (available in 1.5 and 1.8 thiknesses) The intro says the regular: since 1990 High tension development results the third generation of Sriver, trajectory and power is the the typical Sriver but more spin and speed. There is no word on the glue ban, new rules and built in glue effect
 After opening the covering:
G3: the sponge is the same light orange es we got used to. Numbers: "IH-something in Japanese-2.1mm-3AC-0807". Smells like Sriver. I cannot observe any "built in glue effect" softness. Good solid Sriver sponge feeling. ITTF code 14-006
G3 FX: the number differs on the sponge: "3AB-0820". ITTF code: 14-007. I cannot feel so much difference in hardness as it is written onto the covering (38� and 32�)
Recently I have been fed up with waterbased glue so I will use Xiom I-PSA that is pressure sensitive and adhesion is different on the sides for wood and glue in rubber to easy removing alligedly
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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/20/2008 at 6:11am
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another thing: I will measure them in square form.. ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/21/2008 at 1:09am
If possible, it would be great to add the info into the rubber mass database |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 4:18am
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G3 2.1 RED 14-006 Uncut dimension: 16,3 � 17,5 cm Uncut weight: 66g G3FX 2.1 BLACK 14-007 Uncut dimension: 16,3 � 17,6 cm Uncut weight: 56g ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 6:01am
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Uncut weight: 66g???? and 56g for FX? Wow.. what a great difference! and 66g is heavy! |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 6:31am
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sure. I measured 2 times on a digital kitchen scale ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 7:37am
| what is the hardness? |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 8:07am
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66g is about how heavy regular sriver is. Tenergy breaks 70g uncut ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 8:29am
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G3: 38�
G3FX: 32�
as the covering says ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 8:34am
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PLLsystem, have you play with it yet? Please let us know when you do..  ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 8:39am
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on my site I am obligated for testing :) for sure I will drop the results here on wednesday. ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/22/2008 at 3:04pm
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I put on them with Xiom I-PSA to that blade: http://www.pllsystem.hu/e107_plugins/e_classifieds/images/classifieds/12_20080921200.jpg Hmm.. promising. Good catapult effect. Promising spin. The FX is simply softer. I am convinced that Bfly branched out with their "hard and soft" solution like Donic and the others did. I havent played yet but hit the ball at home :) I'll be back with detailed test. ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 7:43am
I thought regular sriver is around 62g? sriver fx is around 56g |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 7:47am
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G3/G3FX test 1. Stiga Hans Alser 1995 Annyversary wood + XIOM I-PSA gluesheet.Very comfortable to use I-PSA. You dont need to think about what kind of waterb.glue you used, how thick it is, how to peel off. (Despite of this we will do a test with using waterbased stuff) Both rubber lacks of the feeling of built in glue effect. Maybe something in FX but it can be caused by the softness. I could feel the High Tension, the rubber works well. The sponge does not. I vote for Spring Sponge style. G3 1 hour play on FH, then BH. I have not played with Sriver so I cannot say it so authentic: It is like a Sriver. (We will make a comparing test using G3/Sriver on the same wood) Bites the ball, rise it, beautiful flat trajectory, you can place the ball wherever you want. You can easily outline everyting topspin against heavy chops or counterspin. Serves contains lot of spin, your returns are effective and exact. The only thing I could not do it to put out my opponent. Everything is alike, no variety of strokes, no dinamics. Everything is slow. Using my own racket (Bryce FX glued on 5ply wood) it is predictable: after an opening spin I can keep the opponent under pressure and can end the point with a huge ending spinn. With the test equipment some of "ending spins" were succesful only because my opponent predicted the way of the ball from the movement and the ball went on an absolutelly different way. When I wanted to do a sure finishing stroke I had to hit or hit/spin (but it also was slow). I like that the ball did not fall out in case of short games. G3 FX Better glued feeling but not really. Has a bit more dynamic, more catapult effect but less spin, does not rise and bite the ball so much. Real ending spin either cannot be made but the ratio of the spin and speed is better (for me who prefer softer rubbers). Sometimes it could not grab the ball in short game behind the net. Meanwhile I got a similar blade with a pair of Coppa JO Gold MAX for a rally and I immediatelly felt it was better. More catapult, more dinamics although in short game it works as Donics work. On Timo Boll Forte + I-PSA (this is our test racket due to its neutrality) Well, it was easy to change the wood due to Xiom I-PSA. I sum I could observe only one difference: It delivers better resonance and ball contact to my palm. The overall game features of the rubbers had not changed. Both rubber surely meets ITTF aims. You can play long rallies if you go for these. (Unless timerule is not apllied) What to do? Glue it up ot tune it up. There is a slight idea coming into my mind. These are not built in glue effect rubbers just simple 3rd gen. High Tension rubbers. It is maybe the explanation why they do not wire a word on any effect on the covering. It is your choice: you can glue it or not like a Yasaka GPS ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: Aeros 1975
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 8:08am
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PLLsystem, and what about trying G3 and G3FX with carbon, carbon arylate or speed hich-tech allwood? in my opinion modern rubbers need very quick blades, with corresponding hardness and catapult especially for mid and long distance play. ------------- Ignito & Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 8:21am
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We test rubbers on neutral wood in order to check the rubbers. We tried T05 on Mizutani and you are right. It worked better but in another way the we wanted. We have been looking for the solution with the same feeling as speed glued.
(On Kreanga Aeros T05 rings the bell)
I will be able to test G3 series on AVX J power... tests keep going on ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: Aeros 1975
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 8:47am
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ok, I�m understand. we also found out that there is difficult but very important to choose suitable blade (adherent to identical or similar speed blade category) with test tensors. We�ll test G3 and Roxon on Hybrid wood and Aeros, G3FX and Almana Sound Synergy Tech with Kreanga ULC soon (I hope). ------------- Ignito & Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 09/24/2008 at 9:03am
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I totally agree. I think the role of blades has increased recently due to the new rules.
First we moved to more flexible blades way but it was wrong way. But another factor came up: the blade face flexibility. I dont know if it is comprehesive. I mean not the bending strength but the flexibility of the plies on their own. (I welcome Xiom with their parameters on the rackets) ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: Piri
Date Posted: 09/27/2008 at 7:47pm
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Any news???
------------- Nittaku Acoustic St. FH: BTY Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: BTY Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: Aeros 1975
Date Posted: 09/30/2008 at 9:34am
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the same question, do you have something new for us PLLsystem? ------------- Ignito & Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 10/02/2008 at 8:05am
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eehhh... nothing special. Nothing has changed. All the same if you stick is onto a bit faster blade with PSA or wb.glue. Feel like no built in glue effect. When you need to persuade the ball these rubbers simply not enough... Very Similar to 2.0 Donic Coppa JO Gold/Silver. (In case of Donics you can have the alternative to buy MAX) ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 10/02/2008 at 8:10am
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(for sure a guy tried G3FX with booster.. he said it is very good for flat looping. The rubber really revived) ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: sebas-aguirre
Date Posted: 10/02/2008 at 12:50pm
you hit the right spot with your comment about speed glue vs non- speed glue 
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Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 10/02/2008 at 1:58pm
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For some reason, the G2 and G3 doesn't ignite my interest as much as the Tenergy series. Well, I did try the G2 on my friend's blade once but didn't really like it....I'm not too optimistic about G3, but that's just me. Perhaps I can be proven wrong....we'll see... ------------- Blade : Butterfly Andrzej Grubba FL FH : Butterfly Sriver BH : Butterfly Sriver |
Posted By: Imperial
Date Posted: 10/02/2008 at 4:39pm
| With sriver G2 Butterfly took Bryce topsheet and put it on a sriver sponge. Thats all |