To Make Blade Head Heavy
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Topic: To Make Blade Head Heavy
Posted By: peter79
Subject: To Make Blade Head Heavy
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:23pm
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Hello guys, I just want to ask what method to make our blades for balanced to headheavy. My borko blade is light only 77,6 gr and it's balanced if I put 45 gr rubber on both sides. I prefer rather head heavy blade so that it's easier to loop.
I've used Reactor thunder and Cermet on my Borko.
Previously I only glue 1 times on each rubber.
Is it possible to make the setup to become head heavy by adding layers of rubber cement on both rubbers?
Yesterday I add 2 thick layers of rubber cement on each rubber.
My setup is increasing in weight, from 172 gr to 174 gr.
Indeed difference 2 gr, make the weight more shifting to racket head.
Has anyone prove this method? Thanks for your attention  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:27pm
| peter,hi.there is a sort of tape butterfly makes to increase the weight of the racket.look at their website.we have some here in the us.i think u can add 3-5 gramms easily |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:28pm
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Well, I for one don't believe that one could actually FEEL the difference of 2gr when playing. I believe it feel heavier due to psychological reason. I believe you could feel the weight difference if it were heavier, but 2gr? I don't think so... ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:30pm
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Thanks holda for your advice , but I want to know whether using rubber cement could also add weight in my setup. The bad thing about the side tape, it can cause wood splinter.
------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:33pm
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You can easily add 15g by putting 10 layers on each side.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:34pm
Well then you're insensitive with your feel
 When I used to glue, I glue every time before I play.
I can feel each time I glue, my setup become heavier.
It become more head heavy.
I clean my rubber every 2 weeks.
In 2 weeks, the glue that I clean can up to 5 grams for each rubber
 I glue 1 layer only. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
rokphish wrote:Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:35pm
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Of course it would ADD weight. As proven by the increase weight when weighing on the weight scale. But my point is you won't feel 2gr difference when playing. That's the reason why I told you to post the question. Whether you can feel 2gr of difference or not, not that it actually could increase weight because of course it will increase weight. ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:38pm
That I believe you could feel the difference when playing. My point to Peter was that you wouldn't feel 2gr increase of weight. Unless of course he's one super sensitive not average joe, which I doubt very much... ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:39pm
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Yeah indeed I can feel the difference from before adding 2 layers of each rubber and after. Maybe I would add 1 more layer on each sides. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:43pm
If you can actually feel your setup becomes heavier with only applying 1 layer of speedglue.... then either you apply a VERY VERY VERY THICK 1 layer of glue... or... like i said, it's all just in your head man.... of course with time it will built up and will become heavier and noticeable OVER TIME... ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:51pm
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Yeah a quite thick layer of speed glue each sides. It must be cleaned in 2 weeks time( 5 times a week play) other wise I must use more speed glue to make it dome. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 11:59pm
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also from that -cool- database you could chose heavier rubbers maybe?
http://mass.doingitwrong.net - http://mass.doingitwrong.net If you click http://mass.doingitwrong.net/index.php?mode=gpcm2 - http://mass.doingitwrong.net/index.php?mode=gpcm2 that link you have them sorted by mass and the bottom ones are the heaviest. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: mdjenders
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 12:11am
| use 1/4" lead tape for tennis racquets. apply it around the edge of the blade to your desired weight and balance. |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 12:24am
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Yeah choosing heavier rubber is another option too.
Using lead tape? I'll try to google first, thanks guys  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: firetack
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 2:25am
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the lead tape sounds a good option,less drastic than drilling the handle to hollow it out,although this too shifts the weight towards the head but may add vibration ------------- Black Balsa 3.0 fh/tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox |
Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 2:30am
| no,peter.your blades are sealed,i think,so no problem at all.acostic/violin are made of so hard wood venners,that i can not imagine you will cause sany damage by removing the edge tape.that is contrary to if your blade has a balsa core.forget it.... . |
Posted By: ajchien
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 4:20am
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You could use more glue.
I personally would go for the lead edge tape.
Alternatively you could shave or thin the handle, or drill holes into your handle.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 4:35am
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dear peter79,
one day I asked Fan Yiyong (Chinese Junior #1 20 years ago and #1 in US right now --> look http://dnn.yiyongfan.com - http://dnn.yiyongfan.com ) if he prefers the cennter of gravity of the paddle being toward the head (head heavy) or the handle (seems lighter). He answered "I prefer balance". I thought I did not asked my question right so I tried again asking what's better for him (another way) and he just said "...balance".
Reminder:
Looping like a mad(wo)man? head heavy is better
short game? control? placement? handle heavy is better
Fan Yiyong is #1 is US and was Junior #1 in China when he was a teen and he prefers balance.
That should tells us a bit about what's best in a paddle.
He just wants BOTH...and that means no head heavy; no handle heavy. Just...balance.
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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 5:41am
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A balanced blade is best, your own power and the speed of the rubber
will get your loops going, and the balance will help you in the short
game. If at all, because I use my own power so much, I would go for a
slightly handle heavy blade. It feels lighter in the hand and allows faster swings and quicker movement.
------------- Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX Member: 1-ply Hinoki Club Violin/Acoustic Clan The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle! |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 6:16am
YES! when I try that the quick loop over the table returning serves gets much better but...counterlooping away from the table gets weaker.
Since I can't choose I go for balance. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: bowebj
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 1:19pm
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it is all in thier head. we can give them identical setups except one racket would weigh 2 grams heavier and they couldnt tell a difference. but of course people that worry about 2 grams are so hard headed that they would still say they can feel a difference. ------------- Just have a reason behind your statement and maybe ill have one behind mine =) |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 1:30pm
Cut the handle..  That should make the blade head heavy  Of course you can make rubber heavier with the residue of your glue.. just put many layers of glue. I said that in another thread.. But this only works after a while. If only for a couple of times you glue, you will only make a tiny difference in the weight.. And don't remove the glue, it will reduce the weight you've put on..!! ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 1:32pm
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And using your Hurricane 3 FH and tenergy on the BH on your Borko is another solution.. ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 2:05pm
After you cut the new rubber to fit your blade use the excess by cutting a straight strip the thickness of your blade and glue it on like you would apply edge tape. Instant weight and edge protection. 
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Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 2:42pm
that's what i thought... this post was written because he was insisting that he could tell 2gr weight difference after gluing two layers of rubber cement on the rubbers. I said he couldn't have. I said normal average joe won't notice 2gr weight difference... and then i said... why don't you post and ask the people at the forum about whether or not one could feel the difference of 2gr in playability. he ended up asking about head heavy and what not and somewhere in there about the weight increase... but as the matter of fact the origin of this thread is our argument about the difference of 2gr. I say not noticeable, he said he could tell the difference and that it's very noticeable... ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 1:39am
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He's talking about the balance. An extra 2g in the head will be noticably more head heavy, since the further away you add the weight the more pronounced its effect.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: wise
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 1:46am
| Y would u use speed glue isnt that stuff banned now? |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 2:26am
That's what I'm going to tell Rokphish about. I can Feel the 2 gr Difference since I'm a sensitive person . He said Imposible for someone to feel the 2 gr difference in weight. But I can feel it, that's why I post this topic  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 2:28am
I use Rubber Cement, not speed glue ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 2:36am
Well my borko 5 ply is made of balsa core, but it's harder than what I've seen in Donic Opticon RS which is very soft and fragile. My Borko Blades is sealed by Borko, but since it's balsa core, I still afraid of splinter. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 2:46am
That's true, I agree with your advice
Since I get used to play with 185 gr setup, suddenly changed to my borko setup which is only 172 gr, I feel difficult to loop underspin ball.
My timing is too fast due to lighter setup which cause my arm speed move faster before the ball bounce
.Yeah maybe I'll try to play with it for several weeks without changing with heavier setup.
My Borko 5 ply is light, but fast and springy. I'm used to play with Acoustic which is not to fast. Not only difference in weight but characteristic also.
I'll start playing with it and see whether it's suitable for my playing style or not. If not, just store it as an antique blades .------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 3:26am
Well, probably so if the added weight is toward the tip of the blade head, such as sticking lead tape on the upper half of the blade's edge. But he was saying he glued the rubber with rubber cement so weight increase 2 gr and could feel the weight increase. I for one, don't see anyone could feel the 2gr difference/difference in the overall setup. I guess I just have different opinion that's all. I mean, if Peter says he could and insists on that, that's up to him. ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 5:19am
Are you kidding me? Acoustic is not too fast??? it's fast as hell, at least for me.. :P Hope it works out for you and the Borko. If not, I'll take the Borko off you if i have the chance to try and like it Peter..  ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |