[Q1]Petr Korbel - Good Beginners Blade? NO
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Topic: [Q1]Petr Korbel - Good Beginners Blade? NO
Posted By: Ritkuro
Subject: [Q1]Petr Korbel - Good Beginners Blade? NO
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 5:02am
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I have this thing bothering me for the past hours now. Some people say that Petr Korbel is a good beginners blade. Some say that it's too fast for a beginner. I began thinking that if it's too fast, I'll develop something that will hinder me from improving. The reason I want Korbel is that it's a bit faster than Primorac and I want to keep using it until I've grown old of it. Here are some quotes that Korbel is a good blade to start with:
Here are some that say Korbel is too fast:
There are also some that say that it can be a good blade if you have good technique. But what if I had bad technique? |
bull_harrier wrote:Replies:
Posted By: IAmI
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 5:19am
You saw my response to this in the other thread  ------------- IFZLC FH T05 2.1mm BH O4a max |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 5:37am
| Yes but still that heavy feeling in my chest isn't going too disappear if I don't get a good answer. |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 5:53am
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Like i said on my PM, Mazunov is definitely a faster blade than Korbel and I don't have a problem with it when I started out, with max Sriver EL on it.. Off+ for allwood blades, IMO, is not the same with a Composite hard Carbon blades..
------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 8:20am
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Look what I am using! Allround Classic is slow, but I can put more power to some of my strokes, if I want. You can start with slower equipment and you can't go wrong with it. And when you will be confident on all your strokes, you can choose something faster or something that will suit the style that you will be playing. And what thickness of Sriver will you choose? ------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 8:27am
| Is Korbel considered fast or slow? Comparing it to the current All Wood blades that we use today. Anyways all shops available in the Philippines are selling MAX and 2.1 mm. I can't do online shopping. |
Posted By: MaLong
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 8:46am
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Stick with your Korbel. It is an excellent beginner blade. 2.1mm rubbers are fine. ------------- Blade: Butterfly Schlager Light Fl FH: Butterfly Tenergy 64 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: ffx-me
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 8:59am
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I learned to play with korbel, its easy to contrl, yes its fast, but t forces you to topspin. Go for it. I have a korbel but I'm not using it anymore, I prefer Primorac 2000, a bit softer and super light
------------- -Primorac 2000, 802 + globe 999 quattro -Korbel, Cream MRS + 802-40 |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 9:24am
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Wow thanks for the opinions. I really appreciate it. That heavy feeling is now gone when I read these posts. |
Posted By: ffx-me
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 9:27am
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most stores sell it
------------- -Primorac 2000, 802 + globe 999 quattro -Korbel, Cream MRS + 802-40 |
Posted By: Hasham
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 9:36am
| sriver has excellent control even in max thickness without compromising too much on speed but since ur a beginner I would reccomend 2.1mm here in Pakistan I am forced to buy every rubber in MAX coz they dont sell anything thinner and I never had any problem controlling sriver or even Mark V in MAX when I started out a few months ago |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 11:54am
| Think of it this was Hasham. Be positive that you have shops near you. People like me have to go a thousand miles or a road trip just to buy somethings. You're lucky and don't be negative about it. |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 12:10pm
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korbel is fine for a beginner. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: pinoyponger
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 12:16pm
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hey ritkuro,i'm also a filipino table tennis athlete based here in canada. i started playing back there in the philippines 6 years ago when i was 10,considering the fact that you are still beginning,i would strongly recommend primorac wood or pter korbel since i had a great experience with both of them. i started learning and improving my stroke with a primorac blade and mark V on both sides(2.1). now, i changed my setup to pter korbel roxon 450 on fh and sriver fx(a faster setup than my primorac) on backhand both max in thicknes cause i want to improve my game in speed and control. i also know that there are very few table tennis store in our home country so i'll recommend you to get a blade and rubbers that you like and surely,will fit your style as a player. just pm me if you need any advice on choosing equipments cause i have also some experience on equipments since i've already tried a couple of setups. i hope this post helps you kabayan. ;) ------------- blade: bty pter korbel fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 12:25pm
| Sure thanks for the help you offered! I can always ask a thing or two from a pinoy ponger like you. |
Posted By: Hasham
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 1:21pm
Im not being negative about it although ill admit dat it sound like I was complaining  I was jus tryin 2 tell u that its nt hard for a beginner to control sriver or Mark V in MAX thickness,Im very lucky to have a good coach,he buys rubbers by the dozen and sells them to me for dirt cheap price  I only have a problem buying blades, to do that I also have to goon a 2hour road trip to another city just like u
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Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 8:56pm
| For me it takes 8 hours..... sometimes 9. |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 9:46pm
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Primorac and Petr Korbel are great blades. Put Srivers L on. My recommendation is 2.1 on FH and 1.9 on BH. After you have played and gotten some feeling. You will know what your prefer so when time to replace rubbers, you will know exactly what you prefer. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 9:48pm
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Everyone knows that I used to play recreational right? Because it sounds like people are thinking that I"m a bit experienced beginner. Just making sure though.If you want to view my history please visit: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24245&PN=1 |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 10:00pm
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You can go wrong using a Primorac or Petr Korbel with Srivers on. Most coaches will recommend this setup for beginners and learning beginners. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 10:52pm
| Why is it on other threads I searched on say that to start with thinner sponges... What does 2.1 mm do to a beginner? |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 11:43pm
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Thinner sponges are generally recommended so that new players can learn to hit the ball with proper technique instead of just blindly blocking every shot and use the trampoline effect of the sponge. If you have a proper coach, then you can start with thicker sponges so the coach can teach you the proper techniques. If you just block, they will start smashing your hand with the ping pong ball with deadly accuracy. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 12:44am
| did i miss something? Is ritkuro the same person as user Brytaku? from the same place same circumstance near same avatar? 76 posts within 2 days? |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 12:48am
Mod. Check IP 
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:06am
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lol as silly as it is to say.. i dont think I'm buying them as two different people. It worked out toooooooo perfectly to be a coincidence.
same setup (from primorac to korbel.. asking about the korbel) and same time considering to switch to the korbel
same kind of avatar
same circumstance
supposadely different age
from about the same place
both are mega posters (76 posts in 2 days) (600 posts in a couple months)
nearly the same style of posting.. lots and lots of new question threads.
asking the same questions..
One decides to mysteriously disappear while the other decides to mysteriously show up out of nowhere on the same day acting as if he'd been a member forever.
fishy........
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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:16am
| Well, I don't see any harms caused by him doing it. Probably he just got bored with his old nickname and decided to create a new one. He is not flaming anybody, right? |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:20am
oh i didnt say there's anything wrong with it. I was just pointing it out.. its just weird to try to disguise your age and try to fib about going away mysteriously and stuff.. no harm no foul though. I dont see any problems.. just thought it was kind of eyebrow raising. 
I used to do that kind of stuff when i was younger too... its easily understandable either way.
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Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:24am
I'm not brytaku25!! If you want,.... how can I prove it?
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:33am
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dont worry... im not trying to start something. If you say you're not it's alright and I'll buy it. Its just a super silly extreme coincidence how your two stories and situations collide. No worries, and you have nothing to prove
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Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:39am
| If you say that we have the same IP, then it means that we have the same internet provider and we live near each other. If you really want to say that we are the same, I'll have a little chat with him if that's the case. |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:49am
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No need to get all defensive now. Nothing wrong to ask questions, we are all here to learn from each other. In fact i love onions especially with my steak and lotsa of sauce. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 1:55am
| I'll try only posting 20 posts per day starting tomorrow. Also I love my onions deep fried. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 2:04am
| your IP adress isn't just your provider.. there's no need to get defensive either :) that only digs your hole a little deeper. There's no way to really prove it either way.. so I've dropped it now. |
Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 7:29am
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Onion avatars is cute....
that`s all
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Posted By: ttnooblar
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 7:39am
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yep it's fine for a beginner, its not that fast with unglued srivers for example. its only fast when you glue it up. ------------- BTY Michael Maze (Flared) Donic F2 2.0mm (FH) Donic F2 2.0mm (BH) |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 8:49am
....Getting a bit curious I supposed?  |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 8:51am
| On the side note, I a bit curious also about the handle I'll choose for Korbel. Anyone wanna help? |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 9:29am
| The handle is a personal choice. You have to decide which one you prefer based on your own feeling. |
Posted By: Fstyler
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 9:30am
| Ritkuro, Korbel with 2.1 mm Sriver is not a beginners combo. This setup will be too fast and too heavy (mainly cause of heavy Srivers) for beginner. Within 1-2 years of basic training sessions better to have 1.9 mm Sriver with Korbel. The handle is a personal choice, but flared or straight will be good. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 9:37am
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What's your own description about flared and straight handles and where do they excel. Also what's the negative effect of a heavy blade to a beginner? Won't it train the beginner to swing faster specially when he's got a lighter blade in the future? |
Posted By: IAmI
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 10:22am
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Assuming you're an attacker, your racket is more likely to grow heavier over the years (gradually faster blades, max rubbers...) not lighter.
However, Korbel+Srivers is not going to be too heavy. Especially not by today's standards (Tenergy). I would call it above average. I used a very similar setup when I was 10~12. ------------- IFZLC FH T05 2.1mm BH O4a max |
Posted By: Hasham
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 10:54am
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I started playing seriously with Mark V in MAX and since it was less error forgiving it forced me to develop perfect strokes at the same time it was also rather frustrating, Sriver has excellent control even in MAX thickness,nothing wrong with this setup, JUST GO FOR IT!
P.S:9 hours just to go buy a blade............ouch 
now I know wat I shud b thankful for |
Posted By: 1ncludz
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 11:47am
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Yaaah... For us it`s like take 5 minutes to shop online ^^ ------------- Blade:Stiga Offensive NTC FH:Tibhar Rapid 1.8 BH:Sriver G2 1.8 |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 4:01pm
+1. I still keep my Korbel, and haven�t played with it for a long time, but reminds to be faster than Violin, Jonyer or Primorac though controllable.
Cheers. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 11:23pm
| pinoyponger, a friend of mine in this forum says to drop Korbel for a while. Even JohnDoe says so. Even though Primorac is a bit dull looking, I'll stick with Primorac. How long? Maybe 1~2 years depending if I really want that Korbel. I'll endure years to develop proper strokes just to get Korbel. |
Posted By: pinoyponger
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 11:36pm
that's right!give primorac a try and I'm sure that you won't regret it. The blade might look dull but I'm sure it'll give your table tennis life some colors. ;) goodluck! ------------- blade: bty pter korbel fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/23/2009 at 11:43pm
| if your canadian, i'm hoping you have a rating. Care to share? |
Posted By: JohnDoe
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 1:15am
Exactly! Its not about looks either. Youll find that you love that Primorac and it will be very easy to learn with it. But its not only that, but that blade is a great blade, even for the advanced players. Remember that just because a blade is all wood does not make it a bad blade, many people play with all wood blades. The types of rubbers you put on a blade also matter a lot, so you can keep a simple all wood blade for years and just keep changing rubbers to suit your style and get more power/spin out of your game (once youve learned the basics of course).
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Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 8:06am
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I didn't really say I hate all wood blades. Composite ones are the ones I haven't tried yet. Just wait Korbel, I'm coming for you next year or so. (Unless a new Korbel with the same feeling but faster speed, I'll buy it instead) but I think I can't trust a dealer yet. Philippines is a place where either some items are fake and the dealer just sells it. I was a victim of this ( I bought a camera ) when I got back, the dealer was gone. Unless I talk to some dealers to clear sometimes, I won't buy anything YET. Topic Closed: Answered the question Is Petr Korbel a good long beginners blade? The answer is NO. Reason: Korbel is a bit fast, heavy for a beginner. Primorac on the other hand is medium, light and a lot of control for a beginner. So if anyone asks you again if Korbel is a good beginners blade, think again. You'll just waste time correcting a lot of errors. (Sorry if I hurted you Korbel) If anyone wants to comment something please post. |
Posted By: pinoyponger
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 3:52pm
If you think you cant trust the dealers there in the Philippines, i would advice you to go to some tournaments like the onces held at U.P diliman every year. There you will meet some coaches who sell table tennis goods to earn some extra money. there you can be sure that their not selling fakes cause their well known coaches in the Philippines. I bought a blade before from coach Flyod Lobaton or i think its his students and they're the original once. ------------- blade: bty pter korbel fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 4:08pm
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I may be a little bias....but may I suggest Butterfly Andrzej Grubba? It is a great all-round blade, perfect for beginners. I've used the blade for quite a while until I moved on to several other blades and to what I ended up using now (Dr Neubauer Combination Effect). The blade has excellent control, which should be good if you're just starting to take up the game competitively. ------------- Blade : Butterfly Andrzej Grubba FL FH : Butterfly Sriver BH : Butterfly Sriver |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 10:40pm
Sorry but I think I'll stick with Primorac on this. Grubba is too slow but has alot of control. Grubba Pro has the most control of all blades. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/24/2009 at 10:49pm
I think I have to talk with some of the employees of the dealers to have a brief background of how they order stuff. Still I think some dealers here are selling fakes. I think I'll visit some tournaments this summer. Thanks for the info. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 1:01am
| i wouldnt rule out the korbel as a beginners blade that you will have trouble controlling at all. you cant really generalize like that. It sounds like you trust the ratings posted on sites and stuff. but its not like its worlds faster than the primorac. 5 ply all wood blades can only be SO fast. The korbel will just stay with you a little longer i think if you advance a little more into a speedier game.. but there wont be any trouble controlling it either. And just because a blade is heavier, doesn't mean its bad for beginners. Its just bad for people with weak arms, that's all ;) |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 1:10am
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I didn't do any physical activity these past years. I think it's really an advantage for me since I didn't use for example my arm. The saying "Start early, early pros" will mostly do. Since I didn't use for example my arm, it didn't age and acts as if it was 5 years old? LOL just a thought. Actually I don't really look at the ratings. I base it on the reviews I read. Even though Korbel is a bit heavy and I really like Korbel, it's still classified as OFF. A lot of coaches online from Butterfly really recommends to start with Primorac. |
Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 1:36am
How do you know it is too slow? Have you tried them? ...and have you tried the Primorac? I haven't tried the Primorac, so I wouldn't know whether it is good or not for beginners. Btw, just to let you know that I've got all the Grubba blades....  From Left to Right : Grubba Carbon FL, Andrzej Grubba FL, Grubba Pro FL. Also, I've got my fourth Grubba blade :  Grubba Variant FL In terms of speed, I rank as follows (from slow to fast) : Grubba Pro, Grubba Variant, Andrzej Grubba, Grubba Carbon. The Butterfly Grubba Pro has a slight oversized surface, and is rated ALL-, which means that this blade is suitable for defensive play. The Butterfly Grubba Variant is an in-between Grubba Pro and Andrzej Grubba. Good control, but not as slow as Grubba Pro. The Butterfly Andrzej Grubba is not too slow, but it is not fast either. It is good for someone who is just starting to take up the sport seriously. This is the blade that I would recommend for beginners. The Butterfly Grubba Carbon is the fastest of them all. Compared to most carbon blades, I must say that this blade has one of the best control in its class. ------------- Blade : Butterfly Andrzej Grubba FL FH : Butterfly Sriver BH : Butterfly Sriver |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 3:16am
| Wow you are really a Grubba Fan. I was sort of basing these blades from the ratings even by Butterfly. I know that numbers can't measure the exact potential of a blade but since I haven't really tried the,, I base them on reviews and ratings. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 11:11am
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My opinion is that korbel is too fast for anyone under, say 1800. Shots that you should be countering you'll be blocking because the blade is too fast.
------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 11:12am
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The exception might be an older guy who has the experience to handle it but is limited by his movement or vision.
------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 11:43am
| So you're saying that if I started say at the age of 15 I can handle Korbel?.. I'm only 13. Also 1800? It takes like years for someone who lives in a country without clubs to get to 1800. Well I'm happy with Primorac. |
Posted By: caigichaduoc
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 2:19pm
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Korbel is a heavy blade as experienced from one of mine. I personally think that beginners should start with a light (but not too light) one. A common error that many players have is that they do not utilize their rib to generate power. To make the use of it requires a lot of training, and heavy setup may increases the chance of getting ịnjured when practicing. Just my 2 cent. ------------- AVX Tosios FH: Giant Dragon Karate Soft BH: Palio Blitz |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 2:25pm
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Posted By: caigichaduoc
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 3:09pm
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Mine is about the high end of 90s. After several week, I cut its head a bit. Next two months I gave it away. Anyway it is a very nice blade, just doesnt suit me.
------------- AVX Tosios FH: Giant Dragon Karate Soft BH: Palio Blitz |
Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 8:02pm
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I remember reading ASR's comment on Korbel (back when he was still using Korbel). He said that with Korbel, he got the extra speed without any loss of control compared to using Primorac. So more speed but identical control, I'd say choose Korbel. There are Jap and chinese versions though. Choose Chinese for lower weight. Mine is Jap 89 grams Korbel. I would say that it is suitable for beginner. Trust me, it is a good looping blade but quite solid so you still can hit/block well. I have Extra 3D which is a looping machine but I have to be very precise to get a good block/hit. I think for beginner, you need something not too flexy, not too hard, middle of the range kind of blade. And I think Korbel fits perfectly. Well, I am not saying Primorac is bad. I think it is perfect also for a beginner. I just said that Korbel is OK also, giving the 40mm ball. Well, I used one before and I will still use it, if not for the crappy thin FL handle. One more thing, do not underestimate All+ blade. I have seen someone with Schlager Carbon had difficulty in blocking his opponent's shots with all-wooden All+ blade, because it is wayyyyy too spinny. |
Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 8:25pm
I have also heard that Andrzej Grubba is very good for beginners, but I haven't tried it so I cannot comment... ------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: Klaus123
Date Posted: 02/25/2009 at 9:46pm
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I can affirm what grubbafan wrote. Grubba Blades are recommended often to beginners by shopkeepers. My first blade was a Grubba Pro, it's elasticity is so much, you can feel it bending even when chopping. Never had a blade which shivers and bends that much. Then i played a Grubba (normal), then a Grubba Carbon. Grubba Carbon is rather OFF-, very stiff, but not dead. It is a quite and superlinear blade, especially good for direkt hits as block and smash. Grubba Variant i've never played.
BTW: i think Primorac OFF- is a pretty ordinary blade. Couldn't find anything special at it. |
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 02/26/2009 at 12:45am
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A club mate once told me that a Korbel does everything pretty good, but does not excel in any certain area. Like the other members have mentioned, lots of dwell time. After a beginner gets this or her basic strokes down I think that a Korbel a great blade because it has good speed with control. ------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/26/2009 at 4:55am
Primorac has limba outer plies. It makes the blade full of control and more dwell time. Same for Korbel. |
Posted By: Ritkuro
Date Posted: 02/26/2009 at 4:56am
I'll keep it in mind  |