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Topic: The BEST Nittaku Blade is . . .
Posted By: tommyzai
Subject: The BEST Nittaku Blade is . . .
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 11:20am
Ludeack!

I've owned both shakehand and penholder versions. I've had them displayed and played along side nearly every other high end Nittaku blade and other manufacturers for that matter. IMO they are simply a higher quality, better feeling, better playing blade than even the lovely 5-ply ACOUSTIC or VIOLIN, not to mention 7-plies like the CLIPPER, P700, and the rest.

The Ludeack is a beautiful blade. If you have been looking for a blade that's a combination of the Acoustic and Clipper in price, quality, and performance . . .
Go with MR. LUDEACK.

Ok, it's true I have one for sale, but the main reason I created this post was because I'm in shock that nobody is interested in the second nicest blade I've ever owned at a cheap price . . . it's blowing my mind!

I think the Ludeack is underrated . . . maybe because of marketing or it's name. If it was called something else it would be the one to buy.

BTW, the Ludeack also comes in a "POWER" line, which I have.

So, yes, this is a plug for a blade I have, but more importantly it's an Equipment DECLARATION!!!

The Ludeack in both SHAKE and PEN is Nittaku's BEST blade!!

:-).


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 11:22am
What is the price of a Ludeack?

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 11:29am
I found a price.

NITTAKU-LUDEACK: $82.05+Shipping from Japan.
http://www.iruiru.com/e/bd/bd02.html

NITTAKU-LUDEACK-Power:
[Nitt-LUD-POW]
$106.78+Shipping
http://shop.ilpp.idv.tw/product_info.php?cPath=24_33&products_id=1796&language=en



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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 11:30am
 


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Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 7:18pm
No J-pen Cry

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 9:36pm
The CPEN and SHAKE are sweet . . . real nice craftsmanship!

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Posted By: joris
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 9:46pm
Septear
Reasonable price and good craftsmanship

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Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 02/28/2009 at 9:53pm
+1

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Posted By: amateur101
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 1:29pm
Tommy,

Is the Ludeack Power still for sale?


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Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 1:47pm
The best anything is the one that fits your game ;)
 
No such thing as best on a subjective term.


Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 1:59pm
To me, the best blade would be the one that I would want to sell Wink


Posted By: Chopper88
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 1:59pm
I do have a Ludeack Pro FL from http://www.shop.ilpp.idv.tw - www.shop.ilpp.idv.tw , If you are interested, please let me know, it had a very small ding.


Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 2:07pm
Ermm

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Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 4:15pm

Nittaku Cho Tokusen, followed by Rorin.



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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by Thylacine Thylacine wrote:

Nittaku Cho Tokusen, followed by Rorin.


For JPEN I have to agree!!


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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 2:54pm
I just got a lovely Nittaku Ludeack-cpen. It's up for sale!!

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Posted By: Waldmeister
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 4:01pm
Does anybody know the "Nittaku Shake Offense?"
http://www.spinfactory.de/shop/nittaku-shake-offence-c-22_476_480.html - http://www.spinfactory.de/shop/nittaku-shake-offence-c-22_476_480.html
Very thin and elastic 5-ply hinoki-carbon, i d say OFF-.
I wonder why this blade isn t listed by Nittaku.com.


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Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by notfound123 notfound123 wrote:

To me, the best blade would be the one that I would want to sell Wink


Absolutely.  Next time I want to sell something, I'll be sure to create a "World's Great Blade" thread about it.


Posted By: Wang94
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 4:19pm
I have P700 nittaku from a contract with a wang liqin autograph ^^. It is sweet too, i mean better quality.

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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 4:26pm
Rubberneck,
After you sell your favorite blade . . . don't turn your head around and look back!



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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 4:27pm
The craftsmanship on the Ludeack is excellent and the handle is so comfy. I just wish I had the skills to handle it. :-(.


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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by Waldmeister Waldmeister wrote:

Does anybody know the "Nittaku Shake Offense?"
http://www.spinfactory.de/shop/nittaku-shake-offence-c-22_476_480.html - http://www.spinfactory.de/shop/nittaku-shake-offence-c-22_476_480.html
Very thin and elastic 5-ply hinoki-carbon, i d say OFF-.
I wonder why this blade isn t listed by Nittaku.com.
 
It�s discontinuedWink


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Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Rubberneck,
After you sell your favorite blade . . . don't turn your head around and look back!



I'll keep that in mind, but I'm pretty sure I'd be holding on to my favorite blade, and would be selling the others first.


Posted By: bagung
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

The craftsmanship on the Ludeack is excellent and the handle is so comfy. I just wish I had the skills to handle it. :-(.
 
i own Acoustic and Violin, and sold the septear; how does the Ludeack comapre to those in play-wise..?
 


Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by bagung bagung wrote:

Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

The craftsmanship on the Ludeack is excellent and the handle is so comfy. I just wish I had the skills to handle it. :-(.
 
i own Acoustic and Violin, and sold the septear; how does the Ludeack comapre to those in play-wise..?
 


How does the Acoustic compare to the Violin? 

I will say, though, the Ludeack is on my list of the 5 Nittaku blades I'd like to try.  The others are the Tenaly (doesn't really matter which one....I just want to try the handle), The Wonderblade, the Acoustic (which should be arriving at my doorstep very soon, if it's not already there.), and the Violin.


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/01/2009 at 9:43pm
The acoustic and violin have the same quality craftsmanship. They are from the same line; however, the acoustic is stiffer and faster IMO. The Ludeack is a very nicely designed blade. I think it's underrated. I love the feel of it, but it's too damn fast for me at this point in my cpen career.

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Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 2:56am
Hmmm...Nittaku has the Violin rated as being faster than the Acoustic.  The Ludeack is supposed to be in the same speed range, but has way more control.  I not sure how they managed that, but it makes me really curious to try it.


Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 4:46am
speed: acoustic > violin

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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 5:44am
Originally posted by rokphish rokphish wrote:

speed: acoustic > violin
 
Violin is noticeable slower than acoustic


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Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 6:52am
Well, I'll take your guys' word for it, as you all seem to have played with both blades.  Nittaku, however, lists the Violin as an 88 in speed and the Acoustic as an 86 in speed.  Maybe, the person doing the rating wasn't as sharp on the day he rated the Violin, and he just thought that it was faster.  


Posted By: ErikaT
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 7:35am
all nittaku blades are simply very good in term of quality
 
theres no definite answer for other elements, cause everyone has the different style of playing


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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:29am
Where�s the source of your info? Official website of Nittaku Japan states violin is SLOWER. (10.5 speed violin and 10.7 acoustic).
 
Cheers.


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Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:36am
Ludeak is one of the best Nittaku blades.  Played with Narucross EX Hard on both sides and it is awesome........ too bad I refuse to pay that much for rubber or it would probably be my weapon of choice.

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Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:52am
Originally posted by Rubberneck Rubberneck wrote:

Well, I'll take your guys' word for it, as you all seem to have played with both blades.  Nittaku, however, lists the Violin as an 88 in speed and the Acoustic as an 86 in speed.  Maybe, the person doing the rating wasn't as sharp on the day he rated the Violin, and he just thought that it was faster.  
I think it's just about the same. Or one a bit faster than the other isn't wrong either, very close.
 
Nittaku quality is #1.
I have 2 Vioncello, 1 Violin, 1 Rutis, 1 Feruku and 1 Torua at home and love them all !!!!
Note: all above are made in Japan, not China.  


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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 5:49pm
The Ludeack feels so nice in your hand and the 7-ply makes it unique in comparison to many of the other Nittaku blades. In play it's more closer to the Acoustic than the Violin. The Ludeack is fast with feel, but not flexy. 

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Posted By: zwu168
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:17pm
ludeack power is better =D professional team version of ludeack

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Posted By: Rubberneck
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Where�s the source of your info? Official website of Nittaku Japan states violin is SLOWER. (10.5 speed violin and 10.7 acoustic).
 
Cheers.


I was getting the info from the Paddle Palace catalog.  Maybe, they've got their numbers skewed.


Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 8:52pm
I'll be my own source on the Acoustic vs Violin.
I owned many of both and used for hundreds of hours.
:-).


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 07/02/2009 at 10:52pm
After experimenting acoustic n violin for quite a long time, I prefer Violin over Acoustic. About Ludeack, I don't like the feel, it's very stiff, not flexible, soft. Got very nice FL handle though, sold it already.

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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 2:19pm
I played acoustic for one year everything was wondeful I order the violin and can't wait to play the differences. Is it crispier? More suited for over the table play like smash, flick, service return, services ? Of course without loosing the looping characteristics of acoustic which I really enjoy. Your reply would be highly appreciated. Thx.

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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 2:35pm
Cho Tokusen A and Wolfee.

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Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 2:44pm
I've owned  Acoustic, Violin, Septear, Tenor and tested Ludeack, all in ST handle and Acoustic it's by far the winer...Ludeack it's a interesting blade but has no flex, septear it's even better...didn't liked too much Tenor...Violin it's ok...but acoustic old version it's "the thing"...

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 4:57pm
Acoustic and Violin are very similar in speed, though they differ in feeling. It also depends on weight. A 90g Violin would likely be faster than a 80g Acoustic. I owned an old Acoustic and two old Violins. I felt the Acoustic was slightly faster than both Violins. Acoustic was about 2-3g lighter.

BTW: I prefer Violin over Acoustic but I see why other prefer Acoustic: it's a very smooth blade.


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Posted By: silva7
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 7:21pm
i have Clout, Acoustic, Violin and Tenor at the moment, Ludeack arriving in a few weeks. So far i like the Tenor the most. i switched from Carbon to all wood a year ago. The Tenor can still give me the speed when i need it, but i am not saying the Acoustic and Violin cannot give me the speed but it's a little bit easier with the Tenor. I am interested in the Ludeack.... 7 Ply!! I like all of the Nittaku Blades except for the Narcus. Narcus' handle is so small, it's a horrible blade to hold. thank god i managed to sell it.

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Posted By: seahorse
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by rokphish rokphish wrote:

speed: acoustic > violin
 
Violin is noticeable slower than acoustic

Ditto!


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 1:07am
BTW Acoustic being (now?) quite a bit faster than Violin is also reflected in the 2011 Nittaku shakehand blades table (image is larger than as embedded in this post):


vs the old one, where they were really close:



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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 2:11am
The best Nittaku blade should be Nittaku Resoud. It costs $3,200
http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st - http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st


Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 1:16pm
I love my Tenor!!!!

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Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 3:28pm
I love my KCZ!  

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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 05/15/2012 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

The best Nittaku blade should be Nittaku Resoud. It costs $3,200
http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st - http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st
   
 
   Naw....Ross can match it for $3,000 dollars less. LOL


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/15/2012 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

The best Nittaku blade should be Nittaku Resoud. It costs $3,200
http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st - http://www.tabletennis11.com/eur_eng/tt-blade-nittaku-resoud-st

Not the best, just the most expensive. There seem to be no reviews around, not surprisingly, so noone knows whether it's good. Maybe it plays like crap.

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Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 1:19am


Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 1:39am
I have played with Acoustic, tenor, ludeack power, latika and septear. I have also tried Violin.
However, my favorite is :
 

 


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 1:49am
Originally posted by king_pong king_pong wrote:

[Nittaku Waldner Manchester pic]

According to Donic that's just a Nittaku-branded Donic Waldner Dicon, isn't it?


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Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 2:06am
I like best the new iteration of the classic Acoustic (not the L-size), it has its drawbacks though: handle girth for example. It is a tad thicker and faster than the old versions. 

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Posted By: kisssun
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 3:54am

nittaku...good value for money?

Not at all
 
 


Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 4:46am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by king_pong king_pong wrote:

[Nittaku Waldner Manchester pic]

According to Donic that's just a Nittaku-branded Donic Waldner Dicon, isn't it?


The Nittaku Waldner Manchester does not have the hollowed "Di-Con" handle.  Not sure if you can get a Donic Dicon without the milled out handle, but I don't think so.  The Nittaku Manchester is quite rare and special. 
uploads/22351/Manchester_Sides.jpg - uploads/22351/Manchester_Sides.jpg Manchester Sides


Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 9:02am
I thought the Dicon also has a couple of red-stained inner plies.  So maybe it's not a Dicon.


Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Brainstorm69 Brainstorm69 wrote:

I thought the Dicon also has a couple of red-stained inner plies.  So maybe it's not a Dicon.


No, no red inner plies.  Dicon is a traditional Limba-Spruce-Limba, same as Nittaku Waldner Manchester.  It only differs in that the Dicon has a milled out handle -- uploads/22351/Donic_Dicons_SIDE.jpg - uploads/22351/Donic_Dicons_SIDE.jpg
Donic Dicon Sides


Posted By: jinlai
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 9:17am
It all depend on your style of play and what feel you are used to and of course your budget. Other factors to consider are the thickness, weight and a suitable handle that fit your hand. It goes the same to other brands.


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Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 10:01am
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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 10:45am
Originally posted by silva7 silva7 wrote:

i have Clout, Acoustic, Violin and Tenor at the moment, Ludeack arriving in a few weeks. So far i like the Tenor the most. i switched from Carbon to all wood a year ago. The Tenor can still give me the speed when i need it, but i am not saying the Acoustic and Violin cannot give me the speed but it's a little bit easier with the Tenor. I am interested in the Ludeack.... 7 Ply!! I like all of the Nittaku Blades except for the Narcus. Narcus' handle is so small, it's a horrible blade to hold. thank god i managed to sell it.
I found the Violin that I have also has a tiny handle that seems only appropriate for a childs hand or a small woman.  It also played very slow.  I have a Tremendous that has a handle that is much more comfortable and plays significantly faster.  I find I still prefer the ZLF from Butterfly(Innerforce and Timo Boll).  You may have increased control with the Nittakus but the lack of power is also noticable.


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 11:43am
I don't think Ma Long complained about lack of power when he was playing with Violin and Acoustic.

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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 11:48am
I remember being so happy with my Violin collection of blades.Better control/speed ration versus same parameters of Acoustics.Tenor is way too fast and has been from day 1 I got one out and played with in the gym.After all I ended up with YEO(JTTA) and it has been my main blade for a almost a year.Who would have known///

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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I don't think Ma Long complained about lack of power when he was playing with Violin and Acoustic.
Is Ma Long still playing with the acoustic or the violin?


Posted By: silva7
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 9:36pm
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I found the Violin that I have also has a tiny handle that seems only appropriate for a childs hand or a small woman.  It also played very slow.  I have a Tremendous that has a handle that is much more comfortable and plays significantly faster.  I find I still prefer the ZLF from Butterfly(Innerforce and Timo Boll).  You may have increased control with the Nittakus but the lack of power is also noticable.
[/QUOTE]

i did find the Violin handle an bit smaller than i like but nothing like the Narcus! i also have a Innerforce ZLF which is faster than all my Nittaku blades and have almost the same amount of control. i am an intermediate player so i use an ALL WOOD blade as oppose to the composite blades.


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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 10:26pm
I do like the feel of the wood blade on the table, blocking or countering close to the table but I really feel the loss of that extra punch when looping mid-distance that the composites seem to provide.  The zlf seem to give me the best of both worlds, even the nittaku tremendous which is a zlf blade seems to do both, control on the table and some zing off the table.  I just prefer the feel of the btf innerforce zlf just a little bit better.


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/18/2012 at 2:34am
Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I don't think Ma Long complained about lack of power when he was playing with Violin and Acoustic.
Is Ma Long still playing with the acoustic or the violin?

How could I know? However, even back then there were faster blades (TBS, to name a classic) but for some reason he was playing with a slow blade. Ok, at that time players speed glued; but today we have Tenergy.
My point was that if an ITTF top 20 player (was he top 10 then?) did choose to play with Violin or Acoustic, I find it difficult to believe that these blades lack power. It all depends on how fast you move and how early after bounce you take the ball. Conceded, Acoustic and Violin are not for passive blocking or topspin rallies from the 3rd zone.


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Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 05/18/2012 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I don't think Ma Long complained about lack of power when he was playing with Violin and Acoustic.
Is Ma Long still playing with the acoustic or the violin?

Ma Long has used a variety of blades over the years.  Since I started watching world cups, he has used at least three that I know of --  Nittaku Rutis --> Bty Boll Spirit --> DHS PG3

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27947 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27947


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 05/18/2012 at 8:12pm
there are 2 things to compensate at present. the lack of glue (a tenergy is not as powerful as a rubber glued) and the bigger ball. That is why the acoustic and the violin are losing fans.
 
And that is why a/c btfy blades are getting users.


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 05/18/2012 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

there are 2 things to compensate at present. the lack of glue (a tenergy is not as powerful as a rubber glued) and the bigger ball. That is why the acoustic and the violin are losing fans.
 
And that is why a/c btfy blades are getting users.


I have to admit that, especially someone using Chinese rubbers...
Butterfly A/C is the best choice...


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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 8:21am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I don't think Ma Long complained about lack of power when he was playing with Violin and Acoustic.
Is Ma Long still playing with the acoustic or the violin?

How could I know? However, even back then there were faster blades (TBS, to name a classic) but for some reason he was playing with a slow blade. Ok, at that time players speed glued; but today we have Tenergy.
My point was that if an ITTF top 20 player (was he top 10 then?) did choose to play with Violin or Acoustic, I find it difficult to believe that these blades lack power. It all depends on how fast you move and how early after bounce you take the ball. Conceded, Acoustic and Violin are not for passive blocking or topspin rallies from the 3rd zone.
The point is I don't believe many of us have the luxury of training 6-8 hours a day with the best coaches in the world monitoring or technique and running our physical conditioning.  This type of regimen will probably allow you to play with a wet sandwich and still allow you all the power you need.  I don't know if it is the smartest thing to base your whole game on how Ma Long plays and what equipment he uses.  But if you do, how is it working for you?  What is your world ranking?  For most of us who can't train like Ma Long, we use some of the technology that is available in the equipment to help us generate some of the power that Ma Long can through technique and physical prowess.  I also noticed that you did not mention some other top 10 world ranked players who use composite blades that help them generate more power(Jike Zhang, Timo Boll and Koki Niwa who just kicked Ma Long's butt in Olympic Qualifications).  Are you the type of blogger who is going to sharpshoot any type of equipment comparisons with a simpleton response like " Ma Long does not use Tibhar 1q or Ma Long does not use Butterfly Free Chalk or Ma Long does wear Asics table tennis shoes.  Maybe you get the point, but then again maybe you don't.


Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 8:49am
Best Nittaku blade... ???
 
Someone ask Bogeyhunter how he likes Violin and TEMPUS, haha.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 10:29am
Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

The point is I don't believe many of us have the luxury of training 6-8 hours a day with the best coaches in the world monitoring or technique and running our physical conditioning.  This type of regimen will probably allow you to play with a wet sandwich and still allow you all the power you need.  I don't know if it is the smartest thing to base your whole game on how Ma Long plays and what equipment he uses.  But if you do, how is it working for you?  What is your world ranking?  For most of us who can't train like Ma Long, we use some of the technology that is available in the equipment to help us generate some of the power that Ma Long can through technique and physical prowess.  I also noticed that you did not mention some other top 10 world ranked players who use composite blades that help them generate more power(Jike Zhang, Timo Boll and Koki Niwa who just kicked Ma Long's butt in Olympic Qualifications).  Are you the type of blogger who is going to sharpshoot any type of equipment comparisons with a simpleton response like " Ma Long does not use Tibhar 1q or Ma Long does not use Butterfly Free Chalk or Ma Long does wear Asics table tennis shoes.  Maybe you get the point, but then again maybe you don't.

I think I haven't been clear, because you missed my point.
If you go through my 800 or so posts, you'll notice that it was probably the first time I mentioned a pro's equipment. The reason is I don't care what they use (actually, I had to google it), because in any case it would be too fast for me. I play with Nexy Lissom, and I doubt any pro would want to use it. Yet it suits me better that any other blade I played with, and I tried a substantial number of blades...

My point was that back in 2005 Ma Long used Violin. He was about to get from the top 100 to the top 20 at that time, so he was still a developing player. Later, according to Google, as he made his way to #1, he switched to Acoustic, then to TBS and ALC. Don't know what he uses now, but it's irrelevant. The point is that, as players progress and get better, they need faster equipment; but before switching, they need to outgrow it. Acoustic and Violin have plenty of power for players who do not train 6-8h/day. Playing equipment which is too fast does not help to improve one's skills.

So, you see, my point was rather the opposite: if all the world's top 10 used, say, ALC, that would be one more reason for me not to use it.


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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:


Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

The point is I don't believe many of us have the luxury of training 6-8 hours a day with the best coaches in the world monitoring or technique and running our physical conditioning.  This type of regimen will probably allow you to play with a wet sandwich and still allow you all the power you need.  I don't know if it is the smartest thing to base your whole game on how Ma Long plays and what equipment he uses.  But if you do, how is it working for you?  What is your world ranking?  For most of us who can't train like Ma Long, we use some of the technology that is available in the equipment to help us generate some of the power that Ma Long can through technique and physical prowess.  I also noticed that you did not mention some other top 10 world ranked players who use composite blades that help them generate more power(Jike Zhang, Timo Boll and Koki Niwa who just kicked Ma Long's butt in Olympic Qualifications).  Are you the type of blogger who is going to sharpshoot any type of equipment comparisons with a simpleton response like " Ma Long does not use Tibhar 1q or Ma Long does not use Butterfly Free Chalk or Ma Long does wear Asics table tennis shoes.  Maybe you get the point, but then again maybe you don't.
I think I haven't been clear, because you missed my point.If you go through my 800 or so posts, you'll notice that it was probably the first time I mentioned a pro's equipment. The reason is I don't care what they use (actually, I had to google it), because in any case it would be too fast for me. I play with Nexy Lissom, and I doubt any pro would want to use it. Yet it suits me better that any other blade I played with, and I tried a substantial number of blades...My point was that back in 2005 Ma Long used Violin. He was about to get from the top 100 to the top 20 at that time, so he was still a developing player. Later, according to Google, as he made his way to #1, he switched to Acoustic, then to TBS and ALC. Don't know what he uses now, but it's irrelevant. The point is that, as players progress and get better, they need faster equipment; but before switching, they need to outgrow it. Acoustic and Violin have plenty of power for players who do not train 6-8h/day. Playing equipment which is too fast does not help to improve one's skills.So, you see, my point was rather the opposite: if all the world's top 10 used, say, ALC, that would be one more reason for me not to use it.
gotcha, that does make sense, I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.


Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 10:29pm

Best overall but discontinued: Waldner ST

Still in the market: Violin C
 
For short pips: CP 548


Posted By: Massi Allround
Date Posted: 10/13/2012 at 12:31pm
Hi, I've seen you have nittaku clout. What do you think about it?
Is it similar to Andro temper tech all +?
How is the control? Is it quite stiff?

Thank you very much!!!
Bye Bye from Italy :)


Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 10/13/2012 at 1:05pm
Nittaku Cho Tokusen and Shake Def.


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Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 10/13/2012 at 4:44pm
Best is Acoustic... second one it's ludeack for a diferrent species...the show most go on...

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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 10/13/2012 at 6:33pm
 
  +2, Acoustic and Ludeak are the best from Nittaku. Latika is right up there too.


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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/04/2012 at 6:32pm
Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

The Ludeack feels so nice in your hand and the 7-ply makes it unique in comparison to many of the other Nittaku blades. In play it's more closer to the Acoustic than the Violin. The Ludeack is fast with feel, but not flexy. 

like a clipper on steroids??


Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 11/04/2012 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

The point is I don't believe many of us have the luxury of training 6-8 hours a day with the best coaches in the world monitoring or technique and running our physical conditioning.  This type of regimen will probably allow you to play with a wet sandwich and still allow you all the power you need.  I don't know if it is the smartest thing to base your whole game on how Ma Long plays and what equipment he uses.  But if you do, how is it working for you?  What is your world ranking?  For most of us who can't train like Ma Long, we use some of the technology that is available in the equipment to help us generate some of the power that Ma Long can through technique and physical prowess.  I also noticed that you did not mention some other top 10 world ranked players who use composite blades that help them generate more power(Jike Zhang, Timo Boll and Koki Niwa who just kicked Ma Long's butt in Olympic Qualifications).  Are you the type of blogger who is going to sharpshoot any type of equipment comparisons with a simpleton response like " Ma Long does not use Tibhar 1q or Ma Long does not use Butterfly Free Chalk or Ma Long does wear Asics table tennis shoes.  Maybe you get the point, but then again maybe you don't.

I think I haven't been clear, because you missed my point.
If you go through my 800 or so posts, you'll notice that it was probably the first time I mentioned a pro's equipment. The reason is I don't care what they use (actually, I had to google it), because in any case it would be too fast for me. I play with Nexy Lissom, and I doubt any pro would want to use it. Yet it suits me better that any other blade I played with, and I tried a substantial number of blades...

My point was that back in 2005 Ma Long used Violin. He was about to get from the top 100 to the top 20 at that time, so he was still a developing player. Later, according to Google, as he made his way to #1, he switched to Acoustic, then to TBS and ALC. Don't know what he uses now, but it's irrelevant. The point is that, as players progress and get better, they need faster equipment; but before switching, they need to outgrow it. Acoustic and Violin have plenty of power for players who do not train 6-8h/day. Playing equipment which is too fast does not help to improve one's skills.

So, you see, my point was rather the opposite: if all the world's top 10 used, say, ALC, that would be one more reason for me not to use it.
+1 


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Posted By: Walee76
Date Posted: 11/04/2012 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Acoustic and Ludeak are the best from Nittaku.
Any player is different, so it is not possible to say, what is the best Nittaku blade. Acoustic and Ludeak could be the best Nittaku blades for you, but not for all players on the world.

There are much more very good Nittaku blades, like Violin or Septear, et cetera.


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/05/2012 at 12:55am
Originally posted by Walee76 Walee76 wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Acoustic and Ludeak are the best from Nittaku.
Any player is different, so it is not possible to say, what is the best Nittaku blade. Acoustic and Ludeak could be the best Nittaku blades for you, but not for all players on the world.

There are much more very good Nittaku blades, like Violin or Septear, et cetera.
  
 
  Very good point! I was just thinking about the build quality of Acoustic and Ludeak..I'm sure all Nittaku blades are on par with the two I mentioned. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 11/05/2012 at 2:30am
Build quality of Barwell Fleet is exceptional. Hopefully it will play accordingly.



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