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Topic: First Review: Butterfly Spin Art

Posted By: High_Arc
Subject: First Review: Butterfly Spin Art
Date Posted: 04/17/2010 at 4:03pm

Hi, just got a single Butterfly Spin Art rubber today, 2.1 mm, red. I thought I make you guys curious for the review which I will add tomorrow (review below the pictures, there will probably be some follow ups to the review).

First impressions when just bouncing the ball:
Harder than T05 by quite a bit, and also slower. Mildly tacky.

Here some pics:

I played with the new rubber today, two trainings about two hours each. On the other side of the blade, I used T05 2.1mm for the first session, and a brand new sheet of DHS Hurricane 3 Neo 2.15mm for the second session. So I will basically try to give a comparison between these rubbers. I have never played before with Spin Art (obviously) and DHS H3 Neo (National Version).

What I will write here are of course my personal impressions after only four hours of exercising, so I may be mistaken considering certain statements, and others might feel differnt.

Is the Spin Art better than the T05? Yes. No. Maybe. Better than the H3 Neo? Probably.

Weight:
I missed to weight the rubbers, but the Spin Art has about the same weight as the T05 (my blade is 184 gr with T05 both sides, 183 with T05 and Spin Art, and 177 with Spin Art and H3 Neo.

Speed:
The T05 is the fastest rubber by far, and Spin Art is notably faster than H3 Neo.

Hardness:
The Spin Art is the hardest by far.

Tackiness:
Spin Art and H3 Neo are similar. You can lift the ball when the rubber is brand new, when it will fall off after a bit less than a second or so. After first cleaning with your hand, the obvious tackiness is gone. However, Spin Art still plays tacky. It never happened to me that the ball did slip on the rubber, soft blocks of slow loops with loads of spin worked just fine. No slipping of the ball, never, at least when the rubber is still as new as mine.

Catapult:
The T05 has the strongest catapult effect by far, but the Spin Art has still a much stronger catapult effect than the H3 Neo. However, you need to hit quite hard till the catapult of the Spin Art starts kicking in.

Spin:
Hard to say. My personal impression was that the T05 can produce the largest amount of spin, but my training partner who has to deal with my loops (pushes and serves) said that the Spin Art produces the largest amount of spin in all aspects of the game, whereas with T05 and H3 Neo, it depends on the situation. My misinterpretation probably arises as a consequence of the smaller catapult, where the T05 just seems to produce such hilarious spin.

Looping/Counter-looping:
This is the fun part. The T05 surely produces faster loops. However, loops can be played with more spin and variation with the Spin Art. Further, although I have never played with a rubber with such a hard sponge, I instantaneously had more control, in particular at first loops. The H3 Neo is quite a bit slower and you need to work much harder, but it has similar advantages for first loops like the Spin Art.
Considering counter-looping far off the table, I so much love the T05. Counter-looping with it gives you such a sensation due to its tremendous catapult. So by now, the Spin Art feels somehow wrong here. Nevertheless, with its hard sponge and its catapult at harder strokes, it plays very well. I was more solid than with the T05. The H3 Neo looses the competition of counter-looping far of the table.
Counter-loops close to the table are much easier with both the Spin Art and the H3 Neo for me. Many balls go to long with the T05.

Blocking:
I prefer Spin Art, than T05, and I do not really like the H3 Neo, somehow lacks consistency when you do not use your own force. The difference between T05 and Spin Art is mainly that the balls do not dig in so heavily with the Spin Art, adding consistency.

Chops:
Spin Art rules for me.

Serves:
I often have the problem that my serves go long with the T05 when I try to put spin on the ball. I did not have this problem with the Spin Art, I could consistently serve short with heavy spin (though I actually rarely serve short with heavy spin in a match). Several serves were way to short with the H3 Neo (but this probably means that I could produce even more spin on serves with it if I would get used to it).

Flicks:
Spin Art is just perfect with its hard sponge for me on my forehand, and I had tremendous difficulties to use it on my backhand considering that point. It seems that I just can't get the rubber to work because the ball does not dig in if you use no power.

Overall:
Although Spin Art is much slower than T05 and has much less catapult), I will keep it on my forehand for further tests. For me, it excels in serving, first loops, blocks and chops. I like it because I have simply more control in all aspects of the game (on my forehand). It is no good backhand rubber for me at this stage, because here I need more catapult to return serves in a offensive manner. Maybe I'm just stoked and over-optimistic...

If I have forgotten something (although I have written so much), please ask.

Second review (after two weeks and about 15 hours with the Spin Art) or in other words "Who will like this rubber" (in my opinion):

I add this part already now although I intended to give it some more time because I had a crash with my downhill bike yesterday and my left arm (luckily not the right one) is broken. So no serious playing in the following two weeks or so, though I will play a tournament this weekend.

My main impression after two weeks is a kind of simple one: the rubber is hard (in my rubber world). I'm still not entirely sure whether I like this or not.

Who will like the rubber?
-People who like hard rubbers and tacky rubbers. I think it is more of a feel good rubber than the Chinese rubbers if you used to play with European rubbers.
-Players which put a lot of attention to serving, in particular considering spin.
-Close to the table players.
-Players who either flick the return or push it with heavy spin.
-Players looking for consistent opening loops loaded with spin
Summarizing: Serve, return, first attack.

Who will not like it:
-Beginners or low level intermediates.
-Players who like soft rubbers (traditional European ones).
-Players who need a lot of catapult.
-Players playing far of the table.
-Numb (sorry for that word) flat hitters.
Summarizing: Rallies, wrist players, people looking for speed.

I hope these comments help people saving money...

Update:

Advantages of Spin Art compared to T05:
For me, the Spin Art excels for serves, returns and first attacks, and whenever you try to create maximum spin. The control in the passive play is very impressive. Notice that serve, return and first attack are just about the most important things in table tennis against most players.
Disadvantages of Spin Art compared to T05:
A bit slower, with a bit less catapult. I don't like the Spin Art that much in rallies far of the table. In general, when I move a few steps back, I prefer T05. The Spin Art wears down quite a bit quicker than T05 in my opinion.

Replies:

Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 04/17/2010 at 4:18pm

Nice pics! We will be waiting for your review...

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/17/2010 at 4:23pm

Me too... I ordered a black sheet from iruiru.com, but it will take a while to get here.

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Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/17/2010 at 6:10pm

boom boom paw! seems like all the EJ's purchased it from Iruru, including me :D

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Posted By: MildSeven
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 1:20am

Make sure you guys follow up after a couple of weeks to confirm whether this topsheet gains additional grip after break in like Tenergy does.

Posted By: viktorovich
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:34am

http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20752&FID=24 - High_Arc : . Mildly tacky

? How many seconds the ball holds ?

Thanks

Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:45am

how much is the shipping and tax and all up cost?

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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:46am

too hard,i dont like it.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:47am

What I most want to know is does this thing play any better than tenergy 25 for looping a metre away from the table.

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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:50am

bozbrisvegas wrote:

What I most want to know is does this thing play any better than tenergy 25 for looping a metre away from the table.

Is better than all Tenergy if you play away from the table but is alot harder than Tenergy.

I think T05 FX is better.(Coming this June)

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 4:58am

How do you know it is better than all the tenergies away from the table?

Have u used it?

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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 1:56pm

bozbrisvegas wrote:

How do you know it is better than all the tenergies away from the table?

Have u used it?

Just try the rubber two days ago with moonbeam blade

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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 1:59pm

bozbrisvegas wrote:

How do you know it is better than all the tenergies away from the table?

Have u used it?

Just try the rubber two days ago with moonbeam blade

I have try T05,T25 & T64 with moonbeam blade.

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 5:29pm

Review is here (top of the page).

Posted By: Asaomi
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 5:41pm

Has this rubber been popular among the internationally ranked players? i think ive heard that ai fukuhara used it, but that was way long ago. anyone?

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 5:42pm

viktorovich wrote:

http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20752&FID=24 -

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 5:45pm

Asaomi wrote:

Has this rubber been popular among the internationally ranked players? i think ive heard that ai fukuhara used it, but that was way long ago. anyone?

According to this forum, yes.

I have only tried DHS H3 Neo today for about two hours, and I would say that the Spin Art plays like the H3 Neo, but with more catapult, although harder (like speed glued H3 ?!? )

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 5:59pm

bozbrisvegas wrote:

What I most want to know is does this thing play any better than tenergy 25 for looping a metre away from the table.

Although I have only played a few balls with T25 and can not really answer the question, the answer relies on your preferences.

I have seen some of your videos and really like them. Considering your style, I would say you don't like Spin Art that much, because you have a tendency to play the balls by just using your wrist (which actually few players can). Spin Art needs a full stroke (then it plays extremely consistent) or a lot of getting used to it if you do smaller strokes (or just use your wrist).

Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 6:25pm

this rubber seems to me to be an improved version of H2 neo right? the Faster of the hurricane neos?

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 6:35pm

bumpernets19 wrote:

this rubber seems to me to be an improved version of H2 neo right? the Faster of the hurricane neos?

I don't know about H2 Neo, played for the first time today with the H3 Neo, but to me it seems that is is an improved (and harder) version of the H3 Neo. At least to me... The passive play of the Spin Art is better in my opinion, and it is nevertheless quite a bit faster than the H3 Neo.

Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 7:49pm

Great review :) Is the topsheet transparent or is it like Vega and solid read?

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 8:42pm

Based on your review, I think I'm going to love it. I can't wait for my sheet to get here.

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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 10:40pm

High_Arc wrote:

I played with the new rubber today, two trainings about two hours each. On the other side of the blade, I used T05 2.1mm for the first session, and a brand new sheet of DHS Hurricane 3 Neo 2.15mm for the second session. So I will basically try to give a comparison between these rubbers. I have never played before with Spin Art (obviously) and DHS H3 Neo (National Version).

What I will write here are of course my personal impressions after only four hours of exercising, so I may be mistaken considering certain statements, and others might feel differnt.

Is the Spin Art better than the T05? Yes. No. Maybe. Better than the H3 Neo? Probably.

Weight:
I missed to weight the rubbers, but the Spin Art has about the same weight as the T05 (my blade is 184 gr with T05 both sides, 183 with T05 and Spin Art, and 177 with Spin Art and H3 Neo.

Hardness:
The Spin Art is the hardest by far.

Thanks High Arc for a wonderful review. How did you get a H3 Neo National Version?

But definitely, I am very concerned about the Hardness of Spin Art (48 on BTY scale). Your review is pretty similar with onlyspecialmade's. I recently got to try a clubmate's racket - Stiga Tube Aluminum with T05 on both sides. Heavy! Although I'm excited about Spin Art, I'm having second thoughts about buying one. We'll see. Anyway, thanks again for a nice and thorough review. Be sure to post more thoughts after a few weeks of practice.

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 3:15am

Thaidog wrote:

Great review :) Is the topsheet transparent or is it like Vega and solid read?

I don't know about Vega, but there is no obvious transparency.

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 6:38am

I weighted the rubbers today because I changed the combination of my Mizutanis.
The rubbers are cut to the blade and have one medium layer of water based glue on them.

T05: 49 gr
Spin Art: 48 gr
H3 Neo: 42 gr

My two setups:
1) Mizutani/Spin Art 2.1 (FH)/T05 (BH)
2) Mizutani/H3 Neo (FH)/T05 (BH)

By the way, I did another session today in the morning, and the overall impression remains the same:
I play more consistent and with more spin with the Spin Art, though with a bit less speed. But looping does not (yet) give me the same fun as T05 on the stroke itself. However, the joy comes because I place several loops in a row on the table and make fewer mistakes in the serve return play.

Summarizing, the Spin Art is less fun but more enjoyable than the T05 for me.

Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 6:55am

Thanks for the thorough review buddy,
Do you have some impressions of the arc of the ball? Compared to T05? How about the opening loops, it it easier or harder than T05? .....aaaa almost forgot about smash......thanks

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 7:06am

Kolev wrote:

Thanks for the thorough review buddy,
Do you have some impressions of the arc of the ball? Compared to T05? How about the opening loops, it it easier or harder than T05? .....aaaa almost forgot about smash......thanks

About the Arc:
There is more curvature in the trajectory and the throw is higher in comparison with T05 according to my training partner. I personally did not notice the higher throw.
Opening loops:
For me it is easier with the Spin Art due to the smaller catapult (I would never have guessed that I like something with less catapult...), though you need to make a proper stroke.
Smashing:
T05 is far better at smashing for me (more catapult and more speed), so I will switch sides when I realize that I may have to smash several times in a row.

Posted By: KCREDT
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 7:27am

Sounds like to me that Butterfly have created their own DHS style hurricane rubber, to compete with DHS. Virtually all of the top chinese use a hurricane rubbers on their forehand and favour a "softer" option on the backhand. The only problem is going to be the price. DHS rubbers are considerably cheaper than butterfly's. Plus if the difference is minimal between the two then I don't see the point in changing, although "Spring Sponge" is probably the best sponge I've ever played with.

Will be interesting to see if any of the top brass switch?

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 9:48am

High_Arc wrote:

I weighted the rubbers today because I changed the combination of my Mizutanis.The rubbers are cut to the blade and have one medium layer of water based glue on them.T05: 49 grSpin Art: 48 but more enjoyable than the T05 for me.

this is hard to believe in a good way.

Am I missing something?

the colour is the same? Spin Art lighter than tenergy 05 is super promising!

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 11:19am

bozbrisvegas wrote:

High_Arc wrote:

I weighted the rubbers today because I changed the combination of my Mizutanis. The rubbers are cut to the blade and have one medium layer of water based glue on them.T05: 49 gr Spin Art: 48 gr

this is hard to believe in a good way.

Am I missing something?

the colour is the same? Spin Art lighter than tenergy 05 is super promising!

Yeah, also find it hard to believe and I feared that it would be much heavier than T05. The color is not the same: Spin Art is red (unfortunately) and the T05 is black. Due to the cutting and the glue there is some additional room for error.
But for sure (my) Spin Art is not (much) heavier than T05.

Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 11:48am

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 9:45pm

great!

next, can you take your of cuts and pull the pips off both the t05 and spin art from the sponge and pic of that if you could indulge us.

I want to know pip widths.

or just tell me with your eyes which pips look larger or further apart or taller etc.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 9:47pm

I would buy some now but the shipping from Japan makes a sheet of rubber cost almost double tenergy 05. That is very hard to justify right now.

except that I am EJ

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Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 04/19/2010 at 10:14pm

spinart sounds very much like tg3. slightly harder, bouncier, and tackier than h3, yet plays much more like h3 than h2. i assume its longer lasting, more consistent rubber to rubber, and faster than tg3 though, for its price. im willing to guess spinart will be every bit as good if not better than dhs national blue sponge variants, at half their current price. so it certainly will fill a niche

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 4:22am

BeaverMD wrote:

High Arc, if possible, would you mind taking a picture of the sponge of Spin Art? I'm curious to see if the pores are the same as Tenergy's. Thanks.

The sponge of Spin Art looks identical to the one of the Tenergy's, but it is a lot harder, I can't see any difference by eye.

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 4:29am

bozbrisvegas wrote:

great!

next, can you take your of cuts and pull the pips off both the t05 and spin art from the sponge and pic of that if you could indulge us.

I want to know pip widths.

or just tell me with your eyes which pips look larger or further apart or taller etc.

Pips spacing seems to be similar, but the pips of the Spin Art are smaller. Don't know if there is a length difference, but I will check once I get back home.

Posted By: lilactime031
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 5:20am

I got my sample sheet of Spin Art one week ago.
I usualy play with Neo H3 in my fh of my second bat.
Spin Art play better far from the table and is faster.
When i try a rubber the first think i do is to try to top spin opponent's backspin pushes. For me this stroke is the main stroke of an offencive player. There i wanna sea the reaction of rubber.
There the H3 is better than Spin Art when you want a top spin winner but if you wanna play safer ans make a slower top spin, spin Art is better than H3.
Spin Art is slower than Tenergy 05 and 64.
But Tenergy 05 has very bad performance against heavy backspin pushes. It lifts the ball easy but no chance for fast top spin against back spin.
On the other hand Spin Art has better performance against back spin and it's slower in top spin against drives and blocks or top spin against top spin.
It creates the same spin with T05 and T64 and maybe a bit more. So service is about the same.
In receiving service and in blocking Spin Art is definitely much better product than all Tenergies.
To tell you the truth my big problem with all Tenergies and with Spin Art is the weight.
I tried the new Stiga Magna TC and the difference in weight is huge.
The oldest of you just remember that some years ago we thought that the chinese rubbers where ridiculus because of high weight (and we had in our minds the Srivers mostly) and now the new Bty sheets are 20% heavier than Neo DHS ans 25% heavier from Stiga Boost and Magna series.

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Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 8:06pm

I wish to hear more on this rubber, or showing a video of someone playing with it/reviewing (bouncing a ball on it/serving/top spinning). I am scared since I have just ordered it and don't hear great stuff about it yet. I'm a Neo TG3 user and I'm pretty happy with it but the only problem is ball slipping..

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Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 8:49pm

Sallom89 wrote:

I wish to hear more on this rubber, or showing a video of someone playing with it/reviewing (bouncing a ball on it/serving/top spinning). I am scared since I have just ordered it and don't hear great stuff about it yet. I'm a Neo TG3 user and I'm pretty happy with it but the only problem is ball slipping..

slipping? maybe u will prefer H3 neo instead.. its better in control

& im consider to switch to that.. but dunno if its heavier than tg3 neo?

Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 8:51pm

lilactime031 wrote:

I got my sample sheet of Spin Art one week ago.
I usualy play with Neo H3 in my fh of my second bat.
Spin Art play better far from the table and is faster.
When i try a rubber the first think i do is to try to top spin opponent's backspin pushes. For me this stroke is the main stroke of an offencive player. There i wanna sea the reaction of rubber.
There the H3 is better than Spin Art when you want a top spin winner but if you wanna play safer ans make a slower top spin, spin Art is better than H3.
Spin Art is slower than Tenergy 05 and 64.
But Tenergy 05 has very bad performance against heavy backspin pushes. It lifts the ball easy but no chance for fast top spin against back spin.
On the other hand Spin Art has better performance against back spin and it's slower in top spin against drives and blocks or top spin against top spin.
It creates the same spin with T05 and T64 and maybe a bit more. So service is about the same.
In receiving service and in blocking Spin Art is definitely much better product than all Tenergies.
To tell you the truth my big problem with all Tenergies and with Spin Art is the weight.
I tried the new Stiga Magna TC and the difference in weight is huge.
The oldest of you just remember that some years ago we thought that the chinese rubbers where ridiculus because of high weight (and we had in our minds the Srivers mostly) and now the new Bty sheets are 20% heavier than Neo DHS ans 25% heavier from Stiga Boost and Magna series.

suppose u quite good in your skill.. i found difficult to switch from

chinese rubber to the new tenergies.. spin art never tried b4, but its seems like a controlled version of Tenergies with more spin!

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 9:49pm

zheyi wrote:

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slipping? maybe u will prefer H3 neo instead.. its better in control

& im consider to switch to that.. but dunno if its heavier than tg3 neo?

I tried both rubbers, but the Neo H3 didn't suite me well.. or maybe I didn't give it enough time. Yes, the ball slips! I hear a squeak and the ball drops.. according to some forum members this happens a lot in a ( humid? ) places? my opponents always ask me if the ball is broken or not if they hear this squeaking sound LOL.

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Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 9:59pm

its does happens @ times @ humid places but shd be able to

overcome with proper strokes.. we know chinese rubbers

demands higher abilities to handle ball's placement and rubbing..

i might either go back to the old blue sponge tg3 or h3 neo :P

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 10:01pm

zheyi wrote:

its does happens @ times @ humid places but shd be able to

overcome with proper strokes.. we know chinese rubbers

demands higher abilities to handle ball's placement and rubbing..

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i might either go back to the old blue sponge tg3 or h3 neo :P

huh, I mostly have this problem with pushes/ receiving serves.

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Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 12:48pm

@sallom

if youre slipping too much on neo tg3 then perhaps you brush loop when you should be looping/driving, or maybe your swing is just a little too open. try shortening it, and hit more into the ball, almost as if you are smashing. tg3 is a great rubber, but it is actually a good amount tackier and harder than h3 and is faster/has less control. tg3 is also much better for smashing.

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 3:05pm

Short weight update:
We received a few new Spin Art rubbers and weighted a new uncut black sheet versus a new uncut T05. Although I don't remember the exact weights, the Spin Art was 4 gr heavier than the T05. That's more what I would have expected, but I don't like this finding and hope that we just weighted an unusually light T05 against a unusually heavy Spin Art...
Performance update will follow in a few days or weeks, maybe even with a little video...

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 3:28pm

walleyeguy7 wrote:

@sallomif youre slipping too much on neo tg3 then perhaps you brush loop when you should be looping/driving, or maybe your swing is just a little too open. try shortening it, and hit more into the ball, almost as if you are smashing. tg3 is a great rubber, but it is actually a good amount tackier and harder than h3 and is faster/has less control. tg3 is also much better for smashing.

It is true! I need to use more sponge, but what about serve returning? I can't always use sponge because it adds a lot of speed. Also using a 38 degree Neo TG3 with a all wood blade seems too soft for my liking.. would it be fine for other people?

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Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 4:26pm

brushing is a key skill that many people lack, good for spinny serves and pushes that you just want to get over the net and place well.

i use h3 neo 39 on my ye, which is very soft relative to what most people use on this forum. however, a lot of people on this forum are either ignorant, EJs, or 2000+. so in a few words, its not too soft. a 5w is ideal for learners like myself.

in many words:
my first decent setup was a k-4 with iqul max on the forehand, and i couldnt get the control and consistency i needed to do well. i got a hold of some h3neo and my ye and found i had to put more effort and motion to get where i wanted, but not nearly enough to hinder my killing ability. my control and consistency skyrocketed. throw in some drills and coaching and i have a new understanding of the game. i could switch back to fast equipment but i dont want to. what ive taken from my experience: its better to start slow and worry about killing them than it is to go fast and worry about everything else.

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 4:42pm

Good stuff man, glad to hear from you. My spinart will arrive in 5 days or so and I hope it can replace TG3 Neo, otherwise I'll have to leave it since each day I'm getting better with TG3.

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 5:22pm

I received my sheet of Spinart today. I glued it to my Acoustic and will try it out this weekend. If it's okay, I plan on just adding a few comments on this thread since I don't have the time or inclination to write up an extensive review.

(Initial impression: it is definitely hard, compared to T 05. Feels much like a Chinese rubber, but less tack.)

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 6:03pm

Anton Chigurh wrote:

I received my sheet of Spinart today. I glued it to my Acoustic and will try it out this weekend. If it's okay, I plan on just adding a few comments on this thread since I don't have the time or inclination to write up an extensive review.

(Initial impression: it is definitely hard, compared to T 05. Feels much like a Chinese rubber, but less tack.)

I hope you will be enjoying it! I still do.
Though I realized that in some situations I make errors which I would not have made with T05, because the rubber really needs a full stroke in most situations.
But I guess that it is obvious that some adjustment has to be done after using exclusively T05 for more than one year.

Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 10:31pm

Can somebody tell me what Butterfly says on the back of the package about SpinArt?

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Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...

Posted By: infinite_loop
Date Posted: 04/21/2010 at 11:28pm

Thaidog wrote:

Can somebody tell me what Butterfly says on the back of the package about SpinArt?

A message from Timo Boll:
Dear EJs, thanks for promptly paying for my April vacation. I have another, more expensive vacation planned to coincide with the release of Tenergy 05 FX. I am hoping for your full support for that as well.

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 12:22am

Although infinite_loop's reply is funnier and probably a lot more honest, the actual package says this:

SPIN ART / Tacky and Fast; a High Tension Rubber from BUTTERFLY

A tacky and yet fast High Tension rubber from BUTTERFLY is now available: SPIN ART. The tacky rubber surface is ideal for spin; the Spring Sponge enables the rubber to grip the ball. Finally, the original High Tension technology of BUTTERFLY has successfully increased the amount of both spin and speed obtainable; also it maintains the ball contact realised by traditional tacky rubber surface.

SPIN ART is a high quality rubber for those who use heavy topspin and explosive strokes.

*This is a highly delicate product. You are recommended to protect the rubber surface with a RUBBER FILM of BUTTERFLY or a similar product after a match or a practice.

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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 12:47am

can someone rate the tackiness as well as the hardness of this rubber.

compared to let say: h3 neo, bw2, 729-08 in tackiness (1-10) and sponge hardness.

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Chopper:
Stratus Power Defense 85g
FH: Hybrid K3 max
BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm

USATT: 1725

Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 12:47am

Ok thanks lol :)

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Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 1:05am

DreiZ wrote:

can someone rate the tackiness as well as the hardness of this rubber.

compared to let say: h3 neo, bw2, 729-08 in tackiness (1-10) and sponge hardness.

The tackiness is about that of Haifu Whale II, perhaps slightly less. It is more of a mild tack.

I haven't played with it yet, but my best guess for the hardness is somewhere in between Neo H3 40 degrees and Haifu Whale II 38 degrees. It's really hard compared to most Euro/Jap rubbers, but not as hard as the hardest Chinese rubbers. It definitely seems more lively than Neo, Haifu, etc.

I won't be able to play with it until this weekend; I'll know more then.

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Posted By: pipigrande
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 1:50am

This rubber looks very promising. I'm using Neo H3 right now and it is wearing out. So, I am going to give this rubber a try.

Posted By: Asaomi
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 3:49am

It cant be a really tacky rubber if it didnt come with a protective film when new. IDK if the picture in the first post was straight out of the package or after he removed the film

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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 3:58am

Asaomi wrote:

It cant be a really tacky rubber if it didnt come with a protective film when new. IDK if the picture in the first post was straight out of the package or after he removed the film

The picture in the first post is straight out of the package, there is no protective film (except that green paper which also covers the surface of the T05's).

Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 7:50am

to the OP,

youve never used H3 NEO (or just plain H3 of any type) before? what other chinese rubbers do you have experience with?

just testing your credibility Wink

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DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40°
BTY T64
210g

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 10:12am

ohhgourami wrote:

to the OP,

youve never used H3 NEO (or just plain H3 of any type) before? what other chinese rubbers do you have experience with?

just testing your credibility Wink

Testing my credibility?
For the last 1 1/2 years or so, I have only played with T05 (and a few balls with T64) and nothing else until very recently (beginning of this post).
So I am not familiar with Chinese rubbers anymore, but used to play with them on the forehand some time ago (maybe 3 years ago?).
So I'm the guy coming from the European rubber side (and of course Tenergy if you think that this is not a purely European rubber) and make statements from my point of view.
I just asked our coach to bring me a sheet of "real" Chinese rubber as a comparison...

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 5:20pm

ohhgourami wrote:

to the OP,youve never used H3 NEO (or just plain H3 of any type) before?� what other chinese rubbers do you have experience with?just testing your credibility Wink

eh.. not so nice

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 6:55pm

ohhgourami wrote:

to the OP,

youve never used H3 NEO (or just plain H3 of any type) before? what other chinese rubbers do you have experience with?

just testing your credibility Wink

With all due respect, my homie oohgourami, his experience with other Chinese rubbers is irrelevant at this point, as he's not comparing Spin Art to other Chinese rubbers. He simply seems to be evaluating it on its own merits and in comparison to Tenergy, with which he does ostensibly have experience; so his credibility is not yet in question. Wink

Although I never came to fully "understand" Chinese rubbers, I have used them for the last 5 or 6 months, including Neo H2, Neo H3, Neo TG3, and Haifu Whale II. Therefore, I think I can (eventually) give a semi-valid comparison. I should note, however, that I've finally given up on trying to master Chinese rubbers. My stroke has improved because of them, for sure, but I could never get them to perform like I wanted them to/expected they would. Spin Art is my last foray into Chinese-style rubbers. If Spin Art is not for me, then it comes down to either Vega Pro or Tenergy...

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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 8:00pm

Sorry, that was rude of me.

But there are many people who seem to think they know how to get the fullest potential from chinese rubber but are completely using it incorrectly because it doesnt offer enough kick because of hard sponge and etc etc. I think you know what i mean. He did compare it with H3 and this rubber is supposed to be BTYs way of directly competing with H3 so its only fair to see how H3 compares. Hope you understand my point of view here. If i was asking too much, I do also understand.

After all, I do want to know how to competition is holding up against my favorite rubber Tongue

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DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40°
BTY T64
210g

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 9:39pm

ohhgourami wrote:

Sorry, that was rude of me.But there are many people who seem to think they know how to get the fullest potential from chinese rubber but are completely using it incorrectly because it doesnt offer enough kick because of hard sponge and etc etc.� I think you know what i mean.� He did compare it with H3 and this rubber is supposed to be BTYs way of directly competing with H3 so its only fair to see how H3 compares.� Hope you understand my point of view here.� If i was asking too much, I do also understand.After all, I do want to know how to competition is holding up against my favorite rubber Tongue

Actually bro, that's my bad. He did compare it to Neo H3; it had simply been a few days since I read the initial post and I forgot. I don't think you're being rude for asking for a bit of credentials, but I know you're a good guy who means well. For others who don't know that, I can see how they might think it a bit confrontational though. However, I fully concur that Chinese rubbers are very technique dependent to fully appreciate them, and that for a well-rounded evaluation of them one needs at least a bit of a background in Chinese technique.

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Posted By: PONGTARDED
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 10:13pm

Anton Chigurh wrote:

I know you're a good guy who means well.

I thought ohhgourami was the girl in the avatar?

Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 11:05pm

PONGTARDED wrote:

I thought ohhgourami was the girl in the avatar?

Have you bothered to check my profile info? LOL

But if you haven't...this is definitely me! Wink

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Custom Walnut 7-ply
DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40°
BTY T64
210g

Posted By: PONGTARDED
Date Posted: 04/22/2010 at 11:32pm

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 12:49am

I want to play with it a bit more before I settle on any conclusions, but it appears that Butterfly accomplished what it set out to do with Spin Art. An improved, faster version of Neo H3 that is some how more controllable. These are just initial impressions, as I only played with it for an hour and a half. If you don't care for Chinese rubbers then you probably won't care for Spin Art. If you do like them, then I certainly suggest giving it a try... At least, based on my experience so far.

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Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80

Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:32am

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:51am

walleyeguy7 wrote:

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

I was going to include the word "contradictory" in my future review, if my current observations last. That is exactly how I'd describe this rubber, and it's what has me intrigued right now.

When I pinch the sponge, it's noticeably softer than Neo H3 Prov, 39 degrees. However, when I play with it, it feels harder. It's weird. But, it kinda makes sense I guess... It can actually be softer but have a hard feel for whatever reason. The seeming contradiction that I'm having trouble squaring is that it is faster than Neo H3 but I definitely have more control with it. It's a very strange feeling because I've always been told by many people whose opinion I respect that an increase in speed means a decrease in control.

Nonetheless, tonight I played against a kid on my team who is normally pretty even with me. Out of ten matches we'll each win five. On my first go with Spin Art, I pretty much dominated him tonight, winning the match 3-0 and two games by a six point spread. He said my loops were faster and spinnier than he's ever seen. Not only did he have trouble blocking them due to the spin, but they were so low and fast that he had trouble even getting his paddle on them at all. As long as I hit through the ball, they landed on the other side of the table. I could pretty much swing as hard as I wanted.

It seems strange, like I said, but I'll see if it lasts. I always get a bit hyped when I get new equipment, but my partner's feedback gave me some good evidence that I wasn't over-hyping it. But that's only with an hour and a half play. We'll see how it holds up over time.

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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:07am

walleyeguy7 wrote:

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

To add to that, Harder then T 05 but lighter. Still a tempting rubber, but I've moved away from tacky rubbers and probably won't be going back. Besided, Boz have got what he wanted, I'm now a T 05 lover, so why try anything else

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Posted By: TT_MAN
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:58am

Did anyone tried Spin Art on the BH? It seams like a good FH rubber for brush looping and I will try it on my FH in the near future, but what about BH. Is it not too hard for BH?

Posted By: viktorovich
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:06am

http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20690&FID=24 - Anton Chigurh : ... they were so low and fast ...

? What throw has Spin Art, in comparison with Neo H2,Neo TG3.Neo H3,T25,T05,... ?
Thanks.

Posted By: spinnyloop
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:14am

It's high throw if you use the same stroke to compare

higher than all the NEOs

As compared to NEOs and China rubbers, it plays differently although it has a tacky surface. No doubt it is a Japanese style of Tacky rubber with power sponge.

So in some sense it cannot be compared with Chinese rubbers and with those that the China team are using. It is for different kind of playing style. :)

Posted By: spinnyloop
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:15am

So if you like tacky rubbers and NEO or the old series of DHS doesn't seem to work well for your style, Spin Art can fill that gap!

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 5:38am

spinnyloop wrote:

So if you like tacky rubbers and NEO or the old series of DHS doesn't seem to work well for your style, Spin Art can fill that gap!

I fully agree. As I've said before, I'm not used to Chinese rubbers and I'm struggling with the H3 Neo in some situations, whereas it feels fine with the Spin Art. The performance of Spin Art is still similar to T05, and the H3 Neo is a different kind of rubber.

Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 9:33am

Speedplay wrote:

walleyeguy7 wrote:

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

you serious?

r u really a t05 lover?

If yes please understand I didn't get anything. You would just join the club, its not my club, it our club.

On a total total detour.

I HATE TABLE TENNIS! I am so lost right now. I realise I have come back to a point I was at so long go. I am getting too upset when I play. I don't want to be around myself when I play.

I mean people I have seen smash stuff, barriers blades etc. I would never do that. But I know when I am at the club and finally just say in my mind, I dont care who the hell is here, I am going to yell out . B&(*(&(((&shOIOOt!
as loud as I can when people hit net every fu(*(&*(&(*&(*n second point, and every other point hit the fu)(*)()(ken edge..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ffffffffffffffffffUUUUU**&&*****&*&&****&*&&*&*

ok

calm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT

Posted By: despoticwalnut
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 10:03am

bozbrisvegas wrote:

Speedplay wrote:

walleyeguy7 wrote:

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

I've been acting the same way recently. I disgust myself when I act so petulant.

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BH:Sriver FX 2.1

Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 10:13am

bozbrisvegas wrote:

Speedplay wrote:

walleyeguy7 wrote:

its faster, has harder sponge, and less tack; and its more controllable? seems contradictory.

sorry about all the nets and edges last night =X

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Dr Evil ox both sides.

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 11:57am

spinnyloop wrote:

It's high throw if you use the same stroke to compare

higher than all the NEOs

As compared to NEOs and China rubbers, it plays differently although it has a tacky surface. No doubt it is a Japanese style of Tacky rubber with power sponge.

So in some sense it cannot be compared with Chinese rubbers and with those that the China team are using. It is for different kind of playing style. :)

You may be right; I don't have a lot of TT experience. But, I felt like it had a low throw. Quite low. It could be a function of my (poor) technique, but my partner said it was like a faster, spinnier version of Neo H2. (I gave him a lot more trouble when I used H2 than when I used H3 because of the low throw and tendency of the ball to dip off the table.) If it was noticeably high throw, I wouldn't like it. That's why I don't care for Tenergy, even though it's quite fast and extremely spinny. Too high of a throw, and too much catapult in the low and medium gears. Also, my partner and I traded paddles for a few minutes so that he could try the Spin Art. He has Neo H3 on his forehand and I could tell that the ball had an obviously higher trajectory coming off his paddle. Of course, he has a different blade than I do, but my blade is (allegedly) a high throw blade itself. So I'm hesitant to agree that Spin Art is high throw, but I could be wrong.

It does play differently than the Chinese rubbers to a degree, and it may be for a different kind of playing style (which is perhaps why I can use it Embarrassed

). However, in my opinion I would still say that it's closer to Chinese rubbers than to regular Euro/Jap rubbers. Just as Haifu gave a Chinese "interpretation" of a Euro/Jap rubber in Shark II, I think Spin Art is a Japanese "interpretation" of a Chinese rubber. Yet, I think Butterfly was more successful than Haifu.

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Posted By: metallikviper
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:01pm

I know most of the people here don't chop a lot, but I'm a defensive player and was wondering how well Spinart chops. Also, if you can tell how loaded pushes are close to the table it would be great. I currently toggle between H2 Neo and T64 on FH, but I definitely prefer the T64 for long range chopping, but the H2 generates more backspin on close to table pushes. Even the Neo H3 wasn't anything special for long distance chopping. T05 was absolutely horrendous.

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FH: Donic Acuda S2 Max
BH: TSP P1-R 1.1mm

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:38pm

I made a small movie of me playing with Spin Art on the forehand and T05 on the backhand of my Mizutani.

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4

I cheated a little bit: We played four sets (I won all of them quite clearly), but I make it look like we played only three (meaning cutting away some of the simple errors). To my defense: I cut away more of my opponents errors than mine.

It's certainly not my best match and there lack rallies. However, I hope it gives you an impression of my playing style and I hope you enjoy it. If there is some positive feedback (about the movie, not my technique) I will add more as time goes by.

Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:49pm

Anton, it seems that after buying a lot of new blades, you are now trying a bunch of new rubbers. Time and money, my friend...

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Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please...

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 2:57pm

JimT wrote:

Anton, it seems that after buying a lot of new blades, you are now trying a bunch of new rubbers. Time and money, my friend...

I've got all the blades I need (want) and I'm pretty settled on rubbers. Unless Spin Art somehow drastically changes in its characteristics over the next few weeks, then it's my FH rubber. My BH rubber is settled, and I have a "go-to" blade. I appreciate the concern, but I'm set now. Big%20smile

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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:00pm

Anton Chigurh wrote:

JimT wrote:

Anton, it seems that after buying a lot of new blades, you are now trying a bunch of new rubbers. Time and money, my friend...

Don't keep us guessing - what's your "ultimate" setup?

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:07pm

High_Arc wrote:

I made a small movie of me playing with Spin Art on the forehand and T05 on the backhand of my Mizutani.

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4

I cheated a little bit: We played four sets (I won all of them quite clearly), but I make it look like we played only three (meaning cutting away some of the simple errors). To my defense: I cut away more of my opponents errors than mine.

It's certainly not my best match and there lack rallies. However, I hope it gives you an impression of my playing style and I hope you enjoy it. If there is some positive feedback (about the movie, not my technique) I will add more as time goes by.

You look pretty damn good, bro! Much better than I. I now have even greater confidence in your estimation of Spin Art. Wink

Thanks for posting.

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Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:08pm

JimT wrote:

Anton Chigurh wrote:

JimT wrote:

Anton, it seems that after buying a lot of new blades, you are now trying a bunch of new rubbers. Time and money, my friend...

Don't keep us guessing - what's your "ultimate" setup?

I'll PM you so as not to derail this thread. Big%20smile

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Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:20pm

Anton Chigurh wrote:

You look pretty damn good, bro! Much better than I. I now have even greater confidence in your estimation of Spin Art. Wink

Thanks for posting.

Thank you for the laud. I'm the one with the black Butterfly shirt by the way, but I assume you guessed it right.

Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 3:24pm

Nice video, High_Arc. Good bh loop.

Please update your review of Spin Art if you have any new insight after playing with it for longer. Thanks.

Clap

Posted By: PONGTARDED
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:13pm

I would like to hear about how this rubber feels for pushing? I would expect that it pushes more comfortably than Tenergy, as in my experience the harder the setup, the more consistent the pushing.

Posted By: metallikviper
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:16pm

Nice video and good editing. You have a really good BH loop. Looks like you were able to brush loop pushes pretty easily, but that could also just be attributed to good technique. Anyway, you have me convinced that I have to try the Spinart next.

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FH: Donic Acuda S2 Max
BH: TSP P1-R 1.1mm

Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 4:38pm

metallikviper wrote:

I know most of the people here don't chop a lot, but I'm a defensive player and was wondering how well Spinart chops. Also, if you can tell how loaded pushes are close to the table it would be great. I currently toggle between H2 Neo and T64 on FH, but I definitely prefer the T64 for long range chopping, but the H2 generates more backspin on close to table pushes. Even the Neo H3 wasn't anything special for long distance chopping. T05 was absolutely horrendous.

I don't know the difference between a chop and a push, because English is not my native language. For me this are two words for the same stroke, which is probably not true. However, putting backspin on a ball while keeping it low is for sure easier with the Spin Art compared to T05 (or T64) (at least close to the table, I don't know whether this holds far off the table, I never do that).

Posted By: metallikviper
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 5:40pm

High_Arc wrote:

Usually pushes are done close to the table and require the blade to be virtually parallel to the table when contacting the ball, which basically means that you have to use a lot of the topsheet to generate the spin. Chops are usually mid- long distance and are taken relatively lower and let the ball drop. Usually the racket is angled down, maybe 45-60 degrees and you let the ball sink into sponge and generate the spin by dwell time and gripping the ball. You can say the stroke is opposite to a top-spin loop.

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FH: Donic Acuda S2 Max
BH: TSP P1-R 1.1mm

Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 8:52pm

Which player is you?

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Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 9:24pm

Thaidog wrote:

High_Arc wrote:

I made a small movie of me playing with Spin Art on the forehand and T05 on the backhand of my Mizutani.Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTVXxoigly4 I cheated a little bit: We played four sets (I won all of them quite clearly), but I make it look like we played only three (meaning cutting away some of the simple errors). To my defense: I cut away more of my opponents errors than mine.It's certainly not my best match and there lack rallies. However, I hope it gives you an impression of my playing style and I hope you enjoy it. If there is some positive feedback (about the movie, not my technique) I will add more as time goes by.

Which player is you?

The one in black I think.

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Member of Wang Hao fan club.

Hurricane Hao III
FH: Thors
RPB: Omega Pro

Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 9:44pm

Come on guys, read just a few posts up. He is indeed the one in black. Ermm

I don't mean to be a Geek

or a

, but put forth just a little effort and everyone will be both Approve

and

.

And don't forget, I Heart

you all.

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Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80

Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 9:47pm

Anton Chigurh wrote:

Come on guys, read just a few posts up. He is indeed the one in black. Ermm

I don't mean to be a Geek

or a

, but put forth just a little effort and everyone will be both Approve

and

. And don't forget, I Heart

you all.

haah, crazy post from you Anton, usually your posts are full of seriousness! this was funny

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Member of Wang Hao fan club.

Hurricane Hao III
FH: Thors
RPB: Omega Pro

Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 10:11pm

I was hoping you're the one in black... the way your partner holds his racket with his finger in the middle of the rubber on the back was really annoying me lol!

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Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...

Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 10:37pm

seems a lot of people on mytt are migrating to tenergy lately