"Best" inexpensive BH rubber.
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Topic: "Best" inexpensive BH rubber.
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Subject: "Best" inexpensive BH rubber.
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 1:28am
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For those who have favorites in the following categories, please list two things: 1) Your favorite ~$30 rubber, and 2) Your favorite ~$15 rubber. A caveat! Please list non-tacky "Euro/Jap-style" rubbers only (even if they're technically made by a Chinese company). I.e., Palio Macro Era or Gambler Outlaw. I'm trying to forsake expensive rubbers. I've found a couple viable forehand rubbers but am looking for a viable backhand rubber... and I don't like tackiness on my backhand. Thanks in advance for your suggestions! |
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 1:44am
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Juic Nanocannon Does everything you need it to with no real flaws. Faster than Sriver EL, but isn't a tensor. Power output is very linear. Also amazing durability (my sheet is 3 years old!) So what's not to like? ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 1:52am
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Have not tried anything lately in those price ranges but DHS Memo 3 is looking worth the try at $14: http://ttnpp.com/shop/dhs-memo-3-iii-strong-spin-p-330.html ------------- Timo ALC FL Tibhar Grip S MAx Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm He never boosts... of course he never had to... |
Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:02am
| i would highly recommend red diamond. in particular over iqul, sriver, and mark v, which are common rubbers i have a lot of experience with. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:08am
I have a sheet of Red Diamond I'm going to try soon, just for fun, but isn't it tacky? I haven't opened it yet, but I thought it was tacky...? |
walleyeguy7 wrote:Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:31am
| it is very lightly tacky, the sheet i tried was fairly new. it has a very grippy, soft topsheet, reminded me somewhat of a sriver topsheet, a little more elastic i would say. the sponge is roughly around 35 density on butterflys scale |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:40am
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Cj8000 biotech. Half tacky, elastic and shiny top sheet in the beginning. It becomes grippy and dull after a week. What I like about this rubber that it can perform every shot well. ------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:21am
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i had a friend using dhs tg2 rubber as his backhand rubber. the non-neo.
very nice too, the tacky is very mild (i think he never clean it) :p
-throw is low
-spinny and good control if u have a consistent stroke.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:55am
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What is a 'BH rubber? a rubber is a rubber, there is no specifics for which side of the bat. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:04am
To Chinese style users there is! Anything that is not Chinese rubber is bh rubber  ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 8:14am
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I have tried Globe 999, 729 Focus1, Palio CJ8000 light and speed, Dawei 2008 XP Super Power, IQUL on my BH with good result. The 2008 XP is the easiest to play with, but it's a little slow, if you (I mean general readers) have not play with Max. sponge on BH then it would be a good rubber to start. The 999 and Focus1 are very good for blocking and looping, I can even lobe with these 2 rubbers quite well. The CJ8000 is excellent for blocking, but not very good for looping (for me on the BH) and the sponge is quite hard, so you need softer blade. The IQUL is the closest to Jap\euro rubber but cost a little more. On the one listed I would recommend Focus1 as the one you must try if you want to try Chinese rubber on the BH. Why? bc it is different than any Jap\Euro on the BH, but very easy to adapt, and once you adapt, you can play with almost any Chinese rubber on the BH. Note: do not be afraid of a mild tackiness on the Chinese rubber. Unless you clean it good, and cover it with plastic cover, you will not feel the tackiness at all when you play.
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Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 8:33am
+1 ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 9:02am
You mean for Jpen users...  |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 9:45am
anyone knows of a cheaper alternative of a sriver el rubber? i use red one.. 
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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 11:33am
| Gambler reflectoid (tacky) :) if you like it controlled, Red diamond (tacky) if you like it fast. Most people seem to prefer a lower throw rubber on the BH than there FH so I guess that defines a backhand rubber for most people. If you don't need to counter on your backhand and prefer to attack on your forehand Reflectoid is a master class of rubber :0 I'm very impressed with it |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 1:18pm
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To some: thanks for your suggestions thus far. Anyone have any experience with the pretuned Gambler Six Shooter? I'm worried that Outlaw might be a bit fast for me...
To others: I'm not looking to extensively define and then possibly debate what I mean by BH rubber. The fact is, many, many people on this forum make distinctions between BH and FH rubbers and therefore know what I mean. If you don't then feel free not to respond... Or, just offer a suggestion for an inexpensive, non-tacky rubber. 
Thanks. |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 1:52pm
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I've said it more than once... I personally think Palio Macro would make a sweet BH rubber for anyone that
(he is also correct when stating "the topsheet is more durable than many other 3G Tensors") it's as durable as (more than some) 4 & 5G Tensors!  http://fastpaddle.com/tt/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_1_5&products_id=12 - Chong over at FastPaddle is also an excellent merchant. ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:06pm
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These are my choices:for 15$-DARKER- V-Lon,GALAXY-Venus(I'm waiting Venus 2,might be good too),any PALIO rubber from Biotech series. for 30$- JOOLA-Energy Extra ,STIGA-Neos Sound SynergyTech, DONIC-Coppa J.O.Gold (I think for sure you can find these for under 30$) ------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:18pm
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- Donic Jo Coppa Silver
- Yasaka Venus (+1)
- PME 42.5
- BTY Cermet
- Kokutaku 868 non tacky tokyo
- LKT Rapid Sound
- Focus 3
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Posted By: racaldas
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:45pm
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hi, every one ! anton, have u tried KOKUTAKU 868 TOKYO NON-TACKY ? It has no speciality like regular SRIVER but it is cheap. the topsheet is not soft. it is medium. it is durable. but if u try it, be sure not to get a hard sponge. it comes in many different degrees. there is a 40-43 degrees pink sponge which is very nice... and it is not hard. the 35 degrees white sponge is nice too but it is not very fast. it is 11.51 in presports... and maybe u can get it cheaper somewhere else. I hope this help u ! rogerio caldas if I could play like my mind can... GALAXY N-11 FH KOKUTAKU 868 RED 30-35 BH KOKUTAKU 868 TOKYO NON TACKY 35 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 2:57pm
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Anton you can try Outlaw 2.0 if you are worried about speed. However, if your game from BH requires much spin and closeness to the table then you'd be better off with something like Gambler Wraith or LKT Red Diamond. Six Shooter Pre-tuned is not said to be anything spectacular but it could be nice - regular Six Shooter was pretty close to Sriver EL but you'd have to boost it. You can always find IQUL in some thickness/hardness which will satisfy you. That's for cheap ones... With the more expensive stuff, you indeed can try PM or PME. Blitz would probably work as well. What IS your style on BH though? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 3:07pm
Good question... I'm working very hard to develop my BH right now. In the past, I'd do the occasional opening loop, but mostly I'm fairly FH oriented. I'd block, push, and counter-hit with my BH but rarely counter-loop or be very aggressive with it. The important thing is: I'm trying to change that by using my BH for more opening loops and I'm also trying to counter-loop and loop-kill more with it. So I'd prefer a rubber that does all things well but that's not too defensive. Honestly, Roundell is perfect but it costs $53. I was recently spoiled by finding two great $14 forehand rubbers so now I'm insisting on doing the same for my backhand. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 3:32pm
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The EJ continues... But I love it! Ha ha! I just bought 4 rubbers from ttnpp.com for the same price as one sheet of Roundell or Tenergy. Cracks me up. Including a couple I already purchased, I now have a lot of BH rubbers to try: LKT Red Diamond Gambler Outlaw Darker VLON-S Silver V Darker VLON-S Blue V Kokutaku 868 Tokyo non-tacky DHS Memo 3 Palio Macro and Macro Era (thanks to Heimdallalso's generosity) If none of these satisfy (though I'm hoping at least one will), I have even more to try thanks to you guys. Thanks a bunch. This forum's utility in EJing is indispensable.  |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 3:46pm
| Darker VLON-S comes in a gold and a silver package. The silver package has the blue sponge. The Gold package is softer, better effect, and would make a wonderful BH rubber. It's grippy, not tacky. It's nice stuff. |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 3:56pm
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.I have the Gold (sorry I didn't mention) package and Yes it's a nice rubber and a light one too.
------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 4:01pm
Awesome. It's on the way to me from ttnpp.com. I'm glad you mentioned it is light. I just stuck the Red Diamond to my blade and it's (a little) heavy, as is Outlaw. Not so heavy I couldn't adapt, but not as light as I'd ideally want. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 4:46pm
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What are those two magic FH rubbers you mentioned that work so well for you? and what blade did you settle on? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 4:51pm
The blade I settled on is the Acoustic L-size (admittedly, not a cheap blade). The two rubbers are LKT Black Power and CTT National Pride. They are still undergoing scrutiny for durability and consistency issues, but so far so good. In terms of performance, nothing of any price has suited my style as much as Black Power. Hopefully it lasts. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:00pm
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MAX thickness both?
------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:05pm
Yup. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:09pm
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Have you tried Gambler Wraith? If you test all these rubbers and will not find your ideal, let me know. I'll send you one lightly used GW as a Christmas gift (or Thanksgiving). ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:23pm
------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:27pm
| i like red diamond on my BH also... but the weight is too much. My setup is already usually much heavier than everyone elses. With red diamond on my BH it just goes beyond what i want to load on. I need a lighter version of my blade (my blade is 99g) |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:36pm
From my understanding, the Chinese traditionally want harder/faster rubber+sponge on FH to avoid "bottoming out" too soon when attacking, because their FH stroke is much bigger than their BH stroke... So there is actually something to "best fh or bh rubber" discussions.  |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:44pm
Thanks! Hopefully one of these will work out, but if not I really appreciate your generosity. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:52pm
No worries. I know there are a lot of perspectives in this sport and I certainly value yours. I'm just an "instant gratification" type and instead of discussing/debating something, I just wanted names of cheap rubbers. Whether or not they'd suit my style I figured I'd sort out later.But yes, as roundrobin's post implies, I like fairly hard and tacky "Chinese" style rubbers on my forehand. However, I prefer medium to medium-soft, non-tacky "Euro/Jap" style rubbers on my backhand. Of course, it's all confusing because a Japanese company like Butterfly makes Spin Art, which is a tacky rubber with a harder sponge, and many Chinese companies make non-tacky rubbers with a softer sponge.  But I think you get my idea: I want a cheap, non-tacky, medium sponge rubber on my backhand. I do a lot of pushing, blocking, and counter-hitting with my BH but I'd like to start developing more attack-oriented play with it. Therefore, I'd like an inexpensive, non-tacky, medium sponge, all around rubber that's not too slow and doesn't weigh a ton. |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:55pm
My friend Anton is a devout pagan. You need wait for no holiday! ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:59pm
I prefer "irreligious". But you outed me, Heim! People are going to start throwing the term "atheist" around and then no one will talk to me.  (Apparently it's a bad word these days...)Mmmmkay... Back to cheap rubber talk... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:10pm
Helloween then, I guess! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:12pm
| Why does it have to be the backhand rubber that's the cheap one? Why not the FH one? I think for most of us, our backhands are more sensitive to the rubber we're using and need more "help" from the rubber to produce spin and speed from our strokes. |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:21pm
Oooooo... You got me Jim!
My short pips average about US $11.00 or so a sheet! ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:23pm
My current forehand rubber costs $14. I want them both to be inexpensive. As stated previously, once I found I could get a "cheap" rubber on my forehand that played as well (if not, better) than any rubber I've purchaesd, I decided I could do the same with my backhand. Hence, the search and this thread. |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:27pm
Au contraire mon frere... Science is your religion? I respect all reasonable mens "choice"... you too. (Heim runs out of room) ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:30pm
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Sounds like you have plenty to try. One that was not mentioned specifically which I can recommend is Palio HK1997 Biotech, 36-38 degrees.Completely non tacky. Can be had on ebay for around $9. Very nice rubber on both wings, 39-41 for FH. I also use Mark V which has awesome control for short game and good enough for looping in max. The HK1997 has a bit more power for looping though but decent control for short game. ------------- Stratus Powerwood FH T05 BH T25 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:32pm
Yes! Power to you my friend. As I stated in my signature - people should really stop using expensive rubbers except if you are in the first few hundred of world ranklist. If your rating is below 2500 then nowadays there is always a way less expensive rubber that will play for you as well as the one for which you just paid 3 times more. Perhaps a bit differently... but not worse. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:34pm
We will continue this via PM... or, more likely, at our other place of discussion. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:34pm
You are a member of Palio club, too? HK are indeed very good rubbers, especially for the price! Do they make them even harder sponged than 39-41? also it seems that is the regular DHS scale of hardness, is it? ... if yes, then why are they using a different scale for their tensors, I wonder? like 47.5 for PME is approx. 39 on DHS scale. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: ztec
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:38pm
SSPT felt quite dead to me on my BH when i tried it. Outlaw I find isn't uncontrollably fast, but it really doesn't last me long, only about 1-1.5 months usage, so in the long run, I don't think it's any cheaper than if I were to invest in more expensive rubber than can last a few months at a time. ------------- Your play will change your opinion of your equipment more than your equipment will change your opinion of your play. |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:40pm
------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 6:47pm
But knowing Anton from his past history of posting you can tell he wants to emulate the Chinese. He is after all using traditional chinese rubber on fh too. A small bh (relative to his bh) would complement his game best to allow maximum use of his fh. He already mentioned he is fh dominant player so its safe to assume what roundrobin said is correct. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 7:31pm
Wow you have more luck than me in your search for suggestions for bh rubbers 
why dont you try the dipper 3 or memo 2 from DHS. Those are the two rubbers i considered before but for now i will be trying out the Sriver G3 i bought from you (it arrived today btw)
Maybe you can try it then tell me how it goes
 I wish i have as much luck as you Anton as i am in search for my FH rubber ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 10:20pm
I have a sheet of Memo 3 on the way. I didn't pick up the Memo 2 because I read that it's quite heavy. I heard 3 is lighter (but that could be incorrect; we'll see). Dipper 3 may be a possibility but since it's $20 instead of $14 it'll have to wait. I will keep you updated. I hope you enjoy that Sriver G3. I liked it. |
Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 11:22pm
Review it pleeeaasseee! M3 is very interesting to me! ------------- Timo ALC FL Tibhar Grip S MAx Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm He never boosts... of course he never had to... |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/30/2010 at 1:22am
Will do. It may be a couple weeks though. |
Posted By: tomas.gt
Date Posted: 07/30/2010 at 3:04am
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my red memo3 weighted 52grams cut!
Anyway it sucked, I threw it out of the window. However I would probably buy memo1 again (black) ------------- Kokutaku Bishu no.1 ST - H3N red , BTfly Spinart 2.1 black |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/30/2010 at 7:44pm
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The Red Diamond on my BH was surprisingly awesome. I tried it today. I was worried about it being tacky but I had no problems receiving serves. Indeed, the hardness of the sponge made my service reception even better in that I didn't pop up as many balls. It's really easy to keep the ball low with it. I'm going to reserve ultimate judgment, of course, until I've had some more time with it... and until after I've tried a few more of the rubbers I've selected. However, this shows much, much more promise than I anticipated. And still, the Black Power is a freaking beast. I think it should be called Black Magic, in that so many of my shots look like they're going long only to arc severely downward and land on the edge of the table. My forehand is dangerous with it (if you don't mind a little self-aggrandizing ). No durability issues yet and no decrease in performance... at least, not after 15 or so hours.  I'm loving these rubbers. Together, they both cost $28. |
Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/31/2010 at 2:29am
| I thought you would like it, there's no need to be scared of tacky rubbers on your BH, still much better control than a grippy rubber |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/31/2010 at 2:35am
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i agree; i had 999t 2.0 *sponge???) on fh for a while and i say one can develop a strong bh loop with such a rubber --> return of serves depending on the topsheet only were just fine. I could come back to it. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/31/2010 at 2:41am
I put M3 on YEO and this was a most fantastic setup. |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/31/2010 at 2:42am
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Anton, how hard is BP (overall) vs the Acuda S1 you had?
Thank you
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 08/02/2010 at 6:47pm
Yeah Im a fan, I haven't seen anything harder than 39-41 in the Biotech sponge. I havent used DHS so am not familiar with their sponges. HK1997 Biotech is the best Euro-style upgrade rubber from Mark V I have used, which includes rubbers like Cermet, G2, G2FX, Outlaw, JO Gold. It is not heavy and has that extra power I am looking for. I played a team match tonight, won 3/3 - the power is outstanding on FH, very good spin, without sacrificing control in short game. And Im using on a relatively soft but powerful blade. ------------- Stratus Powerwood FH T05 BH T25 |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 08/04/2010 at 5:35am
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Dawei XP2000 40 degree Red 2.2 at $6 on the Nexy SPEAR is a charm. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 08/04/2010 at 7:30am
You mean Dawei 2008 XP (Super Power)? you have my vote on it too. BTW - I just tried the H3 Neo for backhand on the 729-F3 (a very fast carbon blade), and I am surprised that it plays very well on the BH, I always thought that H3 is a FH rubbers. |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 08/04/2010 at 11:11am
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Oops, XP2008 Super Power. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/06/2010 at 12:18am
Assuming the same thickness, would you say the HK1997 Biotech, 36-38 degrees, is faster or slower than Dawei IQUL, 40 degrees? Thanks in advance. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/06/2010 at 12:25am
I am afraid, this is a little bit exaggerated. To my taste, HK1997 is just another sole-like rubber of Palio. It must be a real Donnerwetter and Drang nach Osten to tempt me trying Palio again. |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 08/06/2010 at 12:32am
I am not Riker, but I had both.. HK1997 36-38 is slower. I love it for BH rubber.
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 08/06/2010 at 2:27pm
Also, Du wuerdest ein Donnerwetter brauchen und einen Drang nach Osten, um Palio zu verwenden - interessanter Sprachgebrauch (So, you would need to have a row with an urge to go to the East in order for you to use Palio - interesting choice of language... And, if you check my original post, I did say...HK1997 Biotech is the best Euro-style upgrade rubber from Mark V I have used. I was not saying it is the best for everyone - there is no such thing. For me I still say Mark V has better overall control though, more linear/precise.
I have only used IQUL 35 Degree 2mm and not in Max, with it being on a different blade too so couldn't really say. For $9 though its cheap to try :-) ------------- Stratus Powerwood FH T05 BH T25 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/06/2010 at 7:54pm
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So far the Dawei IQUL (2.2mm, 40 degree) and the Gambler Outlaw (max) are both extremely viable replacements for my Roundell. Outlaw is a bit faster, but so far I seem to have just as much control with both. Right now I'm slightly leaning toward the IQUL simply because I'm really working on my BH technique and the slightly slower rubber is (in theory, if not in practice so far) easier to control. I ordered 4 rubbers from ttnpp.com: Darker VLON-S Silver and Blue, Kokutaku 868 Non-Tacky, and DHS Memo III. Unfortunately, I ordered it on the 29th of July but still haven't received anything. I ordered from Cole and zeropong after I had ordered from ttnpp and yet I received both those orders already. Does anyone know where ttnpp is located? Is it an international shipment? |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 08/07/2010 at 1:39am
Yeah i think it is international shipping. One of the reasons why i didnt buy from them ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 08/07/2010 at 3:26am
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They are in Hong Kong ------------- Stratus Powerwood FH T05 BH T25 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/07/2010 at 4:20am
Thank you. Then the slightly longer delivery time is quite understandable. I'm sure I'll get the items early next week. |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 08/07/2010 at 10:48pm
| I order from ttnpp a few times already. It takes only about 1 week to ship to Canada, which is pretty fast (faster than buying from the US LOL). |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/08/2010 at 1:00am
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Small packages from Tianjin reach Europe in 1 week, from HK - in 1 month. And sometimes they get lost. |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/08/2010 at 1:13am
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the word "inexpensive" is so subjective. At what point do you say something is cheap? $10 $20 $30 $40? For me cheap is cheaper than 3 long necks of beer or a packet of cigarettes. and that is $10 I would say the best rubber under $10 needs to have atleast $2 worth of speed glue primed into it to make playing worth it. Or atleast tripple that cost to around $30 for the cheapest tensors you can get such as andro or donic old generation without glue. But realise that within about 30 hours play that they are worn out and need to be replaced again. for that reason I would then add another $10-20 to get a rubber that may last for about twice that time and is actually cheaper or finally get the most expensive rubber out there: and this is not because I have a website but because I trully believe it - The first sheets of 05 I bought are still better to play with than any non 05 brand new sheet. Go on crucify me. If 05 is too spinny for your level just keep using it until it is worn out. For me it is still better than a new old generation rubber. (no other tenergy applies to this equation) ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/08/2010 at 1:25am
Mark V is classic and, in terms or longevity, it might well be the cheapest rubber of all. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/12/2010 at 5:10pm
Got my package from ttnpp today. Put the Memo III on just now. Right now, I have one word for it: HEAVY. Definitely the heaviest BH rubber I've tried so far. However, it is quite lively. It seems like it will play nicely and I'm going to try it out today. I fear that its weight will nonetheless disqualify it as a potential replacement rubber for my BH. But we'll see. It came out of the package domed like crazy. Here's a pic:  |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 08/12/2010 at 10:20pm
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Hi Anton Chigurh, You could have ordered Memo3 at www.tabletennisonly.com from Sacramento in CA. The rubbers should reach you within 2 - 3 days. They have excellent customer service as well. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/12/2010 at 11:05pm
Thanks, ThaiLe. I'll have to check out their website. However, I won't be ordering Memo 3 from anyone ever again. I don't care for it. It's not a "terrible" rubber (I'm not sure what that really means, anyway), but it's definitely not for me.Too heavy, super thick top sheet with no feel. It's like playing while wearing an oven mitt. Memo 3 is officially off the list. But thanks again for the suggestion! |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:58am
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:15pm
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For anyone still interested: The Darker VLON-S Gold is a very nice $14 rubber. I find it right in between Outlaw and IQUL. More control than Outlaw, more speed than IQUL. Very nice feel, very stable. I've never been tempted to describe a rubber as "charming" before, but the VLON-S Gold is just that--a charming little rubber. So far: - The IQUL is a very nice control oriented rubber but a bit too slow for me. I won't be using it permanently. - The Outlaw is faster with decent control and an okay feel. The throw is just a little low for my liking, but I could quickly adapt. Definitely one of the most aggressive of the "cheapos" I've purchased. It's a contender. - The VLON-S Gold is a perfect medium between the above two with a better feel than both. Nice medium throw that leaves more options than Outlaw, IMO. Very nice weight. Seems to do everything well without being "amazing" in any one area. Another contender, and likely victor. - The DHS Memo 3 is a fail, in my book. The heaviest of the bunch with the worst feel. Not bad speed, but just not the rubber for me. Not a contender. - The Red Diamond is an extremely impressive rubber (like its brother Black Power). I may come back to it. It's the fastest and spinniest of all of them; although, in the middle gears Outlaw is probably faster. But if you can really put that sponge to work... very nice. Slightly on the heavy side for me (in conjunction with my forehand rubber), but nothing I couldn't adapt to. It just might be a bit too much of a beast for me at this juncture. My backhand has a long way to go. I like it, but will have to come back to it at a later date.I still have yet to try the VLON-S Silver or the Kokutaku 868 Tokyo Non-Tacky. Without yet trying the other two, I'm currently leaning toward VLON-S Gold. I will keep "you" posted, though I think there's a chance I'm just talking to myself at this point. I will say that I'm extremely surprised/encouraged by the amount of very impressive rubbers one can purchase in the $14 price range. That is, at least for someone at my level (which could be anywhere from 1400 to 1600... I really have no idea). Anyway, to anyone 1600 or lower who is sick of paying $40-$50 per sheet: There is hope... in the form of a lot of inexpensive and more-than-satisfying options. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:32pm
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If you don't like heavy rubbers you may also want to try Tibhar Legend Destroyer and Phantom X-Press (less than $10, shipping included). At least you will understand why this game is called ping-pong and what is the real Stiga feel - even with an old Tibhar blade. :) As for Memo 3, I - and other members of our club - find it a better rival to BTY Spin Art. |
Posted By: corsuse
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 8:45am
| I have LKT Red Diamond 44 degrees. I will define it as a beast who I still cannot release from the cage (if you understand what I mean). 44 degrees are really too hard for me to play with but I will adapt soon. At mid distance I think this rubber have enough power and speed to beat your opponent, not just to return the ball in order to just save yourself from loosing the point. But I will maybe have a very long way to go until make such shots. As Anton said it is great rubber if you can use the sponge and adapt to it to a good level. For know I cannot put the sponge to work because the rubber is so hard (and relatively heavy I would say, but not too much heavy). I very nice advantage of this rubber (maybe only for the hard versions 42,44 and above) is that the opponent's spin does not interrupt you so much. Your partner makes a loop and you just hit the ball with your backhand side and direct the ball almost everywhere you want to. This is for now. I have played with the RD only 3-4 times. After a month or two I will have more experience with it :). |
Posted By: Thot
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 4:33pm
I'm waiting for your review of VLON-S Silver and thanks for the reviews until now. I'll make an order soon to ttnpp and I'm preparing the list. I know what I'll order for the FH, but I need something on the BH too. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 1:16am
Another one is TG3; I used it to start learning RPB ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: Klaus123
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 7:05pm
Spinart has a pretty dead feeling. You need a lively blade to play it. If you like it more lively and hard but not heavy try Boost TX. The rubber is quite light for it’s hardness. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 10:43pm
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But not on every blade. I am using it (Boost TX) as a BH rubber on Ebenholz 5 in pair with BW2 40' on FH. Legend Destroyer is so far my BH rubber for Virtuoso. Memo 3 is doing very well on TBS and YEO. |
Posted By: Xriz
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 10:50pm
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 10:54pm
It is far from inexpensive.   ;)
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Posted By: rupertgriffin
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 10:59pm
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I've tried VLON-S Silver and felt that the chinese sponge and the nontacky topsheet didnt go well together. Opening loops required a lot of effort. Gold had much better feeling, yet even that was too slow for me.
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 08/22/2010 at 2:55pm
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for under $15, CTT National Pride is a candidate.. I bought it for testing it on my FH, along with LKT Black Power.. When I receive the package I was surprise by how light the Pride inside the package compared to the Black Power.. It was so light and when I opened it, I found that it's sponge is SOFT!! I can't play with soft rubbers on my FH . Since I already bought it I tested it anyway and found that it's not a very good FH rubber (for me), but it is bouncy and can create decent spin from it's 'mildly' tacky topsheet.. I try it today on the BH of 655 and the result is decent.. Kind of remind me of 729 Faster with white sponge but Pride can create more spin than Faster (which basically all speed, little spin)..------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |