Tenergy 05, lets cut the crap...
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Topic: Tenergy 05, lets cut the crap...
Posted By: APW46
Subject: Tenergy 05, lets cut the crap...
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 7:45pm
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I've used sp/glue for 25 yrs, and I don't care what anyone says, this rubber is the nearest to playing with sp/glue I've used, and I've tried many rubbers. This is why and only why butterfly can put the price up, If the product was sh*t, no-one would buy it, and I cannot stand for these vouches that other rubbers from other manufacturers are as good, they are NOT, they might be for other players, but NOT for me. Tenergy is the ONLY rubber on the market at this time that I can possibly play with. I can't exept however the price rise, so I'm gonna struggle this next season, because I will not pay the inflated prices. What I really don't wish to hear is that Hexter/ Roxon etc are the same as Tenergy, THEY ARE NOT, where Tenergy gains over them is in Re-loop, tenergy is superb at this, even better than sp/glue IMO, more consistent, and a real feeling of 'borrowing the power' all other new rubbers I've used have been either too soft, or uncontrollable, in the case of Haifu whale, too erratic with an unstable raquet/ball contact. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
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Posted By: bull_harrier
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 7:47pm
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Amen Wiggy, how long does your T05 last you on average?
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 7:56pm
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I play a lot. Two months, in the extreme and I'm pushing that. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 8:16pm
Okay so what exactly is the crap you want to cut?  YOU say there's nothing like it and you do no care what anyone else says. You don't like all the other non-Tenergy rubbers that tens of thousands of players at your level worldwide are using right now, because you simply can't play with these alternatives. There's really nothing else to say. Just pay up and be happy. Geez. |
APW46 wrote:Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 8:49pm
------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:07pm
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I obviously see where you are coming from APW. The amount of threads that come out and continue to come out that either state or seek that there is an equivalent to tenergy is staggering. We are in tough spot mate. I am trying to give tenergy up on my backhand, which often actually helps me against a few players and then basically takes away my main weapon against others. I will probably going back to my old tenergy 05 on backhand and new on forehand. That is the only way I can see forward. ps hopefully this thread won't be turned into X rubber is better than Y rubber for A B C D E user. We have agreed on the objective performance quality as being currently unbeatable for the last 2 years.
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:10pm
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How often do you rotate the tyres on your car? ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:23pm
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We have agreed on the objective performance quality as being currently unbeatable for the last 2 years.
That's where the problem lies in your claim. Unbeatable in what way? That's way too vague... Unbeatable for your game only, I think. Our club's No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4 and No 5 player do not use Tenergy, and I can assure you they can spot you 5 pts. per game and still beat you handily. No need to hype it up anymore as if other rubbers are inferior. Tenergy is good for topspin countering but too vague for on-the-table game. It's an one-trick pony from what I see locally in its users.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:45pm
Oh I've had my fun, time for bed ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:47pm
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roundrobin, as I have tried to explain earlier apparently to no effect, the players you are talking about are Chinese players raised with their mother's milk along with various hard tacky Hurricane rubbers. From that comes a certain stroke and way of playing. It's a great way to play but you need to start out that way. These players hate Tenergy, wouldn't play with it if they gave it away. They hated the glued rubbers Tenergy is designed to emulate. They probably have their own problems trying to figure out how to make the stuff they have now play like it did when they could glue. Luckily for them though, the stuff they use is cheep. (Free if they are good enough players). Players who like Tenergy cannot use the rubbers you are talking about. This includes a lot of people, anybody who grew up on European or Japanese rubbers, pretty much anyone who learned to play in Europe. This category includes substantial number of the top 100 players in the world (who wouldn't care about the price increase because they get their stuff for free). For this type of player there really is no good substitute. As an aside, I should mention the LA players you are talking about who use various Chinese tacky rubbers probably can't spot APW 5 points and win. The top players in LATTC are very good players indeed, but APW is at least 2450-2450 by US standards--a number proved by people currently in the US who he has beaten who have that rating. One who comes to mind lives in California and is 2476. Your average 2600 player--the level of the top people at your club and mine-- will win against people at APW's level, but not very often with a five point spot. I think a bunch of people are freaking out about this price increase. I make a lot more money than I deserve and am wondering myself whether I can in any conscience shell out that kind of dough for a sheet of rubber. Think of this thread as a cry of anguish. So you shouldn't take it personally. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:51pm
I'm wondering how many thread topics we're inevitably going to have that are dedicated to this BOOOOOORRRRING topic.  |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 9:55pm
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Lots until people have vented. Remember how many threads we had about how stupid it was to ban boosters? It still comes up. Fortunately, people who are still upset about the introduction of sponge into table tennis have passed away or don't use the internet. Or we would still be hearing about it. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:05pm
Point taken. The 5-pt. spot I mentioned was for the other poster, sorry for the confusion.
 That said, I strongly doubt APW is at least 2450. I need more proof. I know he said he's beaten Ben Johnson before, but a win long time ago does not prove enough imho. Ben has by now proven time and time again to have a world-class backhand, and had beaten many world-team members from various countries in the past five years. I witnessed most the matches myself. Can APW list comparable wins recently? I had wins against Tawny Banh and Crystal Huang too, but it does not prove I am even at the same level with them. We had a visitor a couple of years back from England who APW said was just a bit lower rated than himself over there. We estimated him about 2200. Loc Ngo, about 2350, beat him easily, and I won against him also, even though I was 2161 at the time. If APW is one full grade higher, I would say he's about 2300.
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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:41pm
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Baal,
Your opinion that Chinese players can not play with Tenergy is unfounded. As I have tried to tell you in vain, our top players can use T05, Boost TP, Joola Express and Yasaka Pryde just fine. Many lower rated players at our club bring their setups for our top players to try out, and they readily use such setups to play serious matches among themselves with minimum difference, and that included vaunted T05, T25, T64, and Spinart. Their adaptability to all modern inverted rubbers is visibly great. Our Chinese players are also great at imitating other players' strokes and service motions to our amusement. If you or your friends can not do so, please do not paint us with the same brush... This is my second attempt to tell you stop spreading half-truths about Chinese provincial-level players.
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 10:57pm
I am sorry but logically your position on this is not defensible - are you saying you trid all those 10-15 rubbers that were suggested as possible substitutes for Tenergy 05? You tried Xiom Vegas, Palio Macro Era and Blitz, Stiga Boost TS, TC etc, Tibhar Genius, various Donics and Andros etc etc etc - the list is pretty long... The thing is that simply everyone knows what Tenergy is because Butterfly spent a huge amount of money on ads and on promotions and got quite a few of their sponsored players to use Tenergys (which are indeed very good rubbers). Other manufacturers simply cannot put up that much moola to advertise on the same level - not even Donic, I am not even talking about Chinese or smaller Japanese brands. Anyway - if you are happy with T-05, that is fine with me. It's not like I cannot sleep at night if there are people in the world who still play with Tenergys... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 11:20pm
| yeah 05 is a great rubber for good developed players, but really bad for everyone else. But it definetely is worth it's high price tag. you want the best, you pay the price. $60 a sheet is actually cheap, because it's more durable than most rubbers. But gosh, if apw is 2200-2400, what the hell is king carlo's rating? 2600?? I think mytabletennis.net needs to sponsor king carlo and apw for the next us open or teams. |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 11:44pm
I must ask the question, Have you actaully played with Hexer - or are you just saying you have. Now I understand I'm going to get another ear bashing, because I personally dont believe all the claims that get made about Tenergy 05, I get to play against a lot of player, as my full time job in Table tennis allows me to hit with people as they try various blade & rubber combo's. I have tried this many a times, to the players astonishment, 2 identical blades, with the name of the rubber covered with masking tape. One blade has Tenergy 05 & the other has Hexer. I would say the 65% always say the hexer feels nicer. Now this could be the fact that these players are not your elite athlete like APW64, but then again I'm no slouch at this game either, and I can tell you I would prefer to play Roxon 330, 450, Tenergy 64, any of the Tibhar Nimbus, Desto's etc, get the drift. I have objections to the claims being made about Tenergy 05 - Rammed down our throats thats its the best looping rubber in the world - what a load of balony, it simply is not, The most accurate claim is simple - TENERGY 05 is the Most Given away rubber to the Elite Player. And the other fact that these elite players will not tell you is they Boost it - Come on Boz, you cant show me proof that it aint done, Yet our fellow Member Petermoo heard it with his own ears, I've spoken to Umpire's that have told me a certain top players rubbers in Aust were over the 4.0mm mark, and we have all heard the remarks when the Aussie's came home from the worlds. No go ahead and start the fire, or did I already do that.  ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: forthefun
Date Posted: 08/13/2010 at 11:53pm
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Here are my 2 cents
I was lucky or I should say practiced 4 hours a day 7 days a week and used more speed glue than a horse glue violin factory. We were all speed glue junkies. I was away from the game for 28 years and went from a 100 rating to a 1945 Canadian rating in the last 2 years at the age of 55 so I must not be that bad. In my opinion tenergy is the closest to speed glue that I have found and believe me that a speed glue addict knows his glue. It is not speed glue but it the closest glue high that I have found. Yes I was sponsored, yes I played the worlds best. Rubbers are no different than tires or cars, some people like GM, some like Ford but other like Maserati, no one will be right as it is only an opinion. My opinion is that Tenergy is at this time regardless of the price the closest to a speed glue high that is out there. Never forget that your greatest coach is your opponent as he or she will always show you your weakest points. Enjoy the game but always play to win. ------------- Photino FH--Tenergy-05 FX BH--Tenergy-05 FX Back up Photino FH--Tenergy-05 FX BH--Tenergy-05 FX |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 12:04am
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Pingpongrob,
I can tell you that since the speedglue ban, self-tuning/boosting of Tenergys and all other modern inverted rubbers have been done by many SoCal elite players in the U.S. for quite a while now. Lamp oil, baby oil, commercial boosters, secret sauces from Europe, you name it, players here have tried it. Not just the sponges get additional treatment. The topsheet as well. "Properly" treated Tenergy 05 has much more spin and it's faster than over-the-counter ones. These treatment processes/experiments by our local players started months ago prior to the speedglue ban. Many players tried 1st and 2nd gen. tension rubbers that promised to match spin and speed of speedglued rubbers but weren't impressed. Naturally, they started experimenting with voc-free boosters of all kinds to get the desired effects back. It was a known fact among elite players here that these tensors needed additional boosting out of the package, or at the very least, to be "retuned" every two weeks with some secret liquid that will pass Enez tests again and again... The process is now well-honed and carried on to this day.
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 1:26am
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I left mine and my girlfriend's rackets at the house tonight so we were kind of forced to play with sportscraft paddles that her dad had bought. It was fun, and it enlightened me when I read this post. It taught me how spoiled some table tennis players are. I know this will rub many and most of you the wrong way, but its like no matter what, that no rubber no combination will ever be enough. I enjoyed playing with this 6 dollar set up with dead, no-grip, 1.0mm rubber on each side just as much as I enjoy playing with my 200 dollar double hexer on violin set up. I also enjoy playing with my xstar with gambler on one side and hallmark antispin on the opposite. Just stop your griping please...its kind of annoying. Just appreciate what you have. The truth is, that its an advantage to have tenergy, hexer, baracuda...any of these tensor rubbers. The effort you put into any shot is nil to none. Its stupid to complain about a rubber that does every single thing for you with half the effort. If you don't like to work as hard...then expect to spend the money on the almighty tenergy...by the way, it seems like I've seen a couple of tenergy threads. Kind of repetitive. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 2:00am
thank you Roundrobin, for stating what I have already known (I didnt know that Tensors also got treated) - Boz I hope you read this one. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 5:30am
Although I don't think that Tenergy is the right rubber for everyone, I'd have to agree with APW46's statement above. I've also tried a lot of rubbers and many of the new ESN products, but they do not come close to the huge spin that the Tenergy can generate with such ease, at least not with my strokes. I'm sure strokes need to be adjusted for different rubber to make the most of their properties and to get the highest spin potential, but I think everyone gets the high spin out of Tenergy without having to adjust their strokes.... it's just a VERY spinny rubber. This is why I believe almost everyone that tries it likes it, but whether it's right for their game is another matter.  Those that regularly play with Tensors will no doubt like some of the latest products, as they have made improvement, and they are without a doubt excellent rubbers and can generate huge spin in the right hands. But if they're trying to make a Tenergy clone, they still have quite a way to go yet IMO. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 6:05am
This thread felt to me as though it was started out of the broken record style claims made. The old Throat ramming from you pingpongrob. The other repeated angle that elite players use tenergy because it is given to them free is a joke. As i replied to you recently: Players sponsored by other companies such as Andro are given free rubbers that refuse to use is the correct angle. Posts such as this are from people so upset because they are in love with the way tenergy 05 plays, not any other reason. And again the same thing about boosting. Forget the boosting claims, I can not prove it nor can you and if we could or not who gives a .... - it is the same for chinese rubbers, who doesnt boost them? As for fire Rob, I didn't start this thread, I briefly mentioned what I thought it was alluding to: Lets cut the crap, players are not overhyping the rubber any more than there is a sense of urgency of having your baloney on every thread about Tenergy. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 7:58am
You are so rightchess - A million topics on Tenergy, I join 3 or 4 of them cuase I dont believe the crap, and you claim APW46, started it because of me. Thats right I'm not allowed to have my view, my opinion, which is shared by many mind you, lets just say that they dont want to be abused by 1 eyed Tenergy users like yourself. I mean lets face it you have your own religious website Tenergy05.com.au, how one eyed could you be. The chinese may boost there rubbers, but they dont get on this Forum and ram their rubber down everyones throat. yet you do with your claim its the best looping rubber in the world. I say get a life - facts are facts, and your coments about Tenergy relates to your ability, Not mine or anybody else's. If APW46 loves his tenergy good luck, I'm happy for him, if it makes him play better and beat players he couldn't before, then again I'm even more happy for him. and he did state that its his opinion, But its not the Rubber for all, and I must say to me its a step backwards in the evolution of rubbers for the Average player - and a big rip off at that tooooooo. So who gives a Sh*t, I do. Oh, and I forgot to ask - HaggisV are you using the Spinniest rubber on the planet at the moment. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 8:43am
You are allowed to have your view just as I am when you say mine is baloney and you have used the throat ram analogy many times before against me Rob, just do a search to remember, it is as boring as the "andro tensor rubbers are better because they don't need to be boosted line." which you continuously ram. If I have one eye you have Andro dealer eyes. I have no sponsorship nor dealerships. I basically stock the rubbers I use or want to try. I am the little guy that hates butterfly and the prices just as APW does. So stop arguing in such a blinded way. I do claim it's the best rubber in the world because it is in my opinion and I am allowed to have my opinion. It is formulated by trying just as many rubbers as you have and being able to report it without having a dealership contract as you do. Do me favour and read the posts that you wrote before I replied to you. See if they were in any way suggesting I should reply to the language which you have used time and time again to try to upset me or in your lovely words "start a fire". ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 8:50am
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Sorry forgot to reply to the Hag part, Rob what does HaggisV's choice of rubber have to do with your lack of respect on a forum have to do with anything? ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 9:13am
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roundrobbin, You are correct, the 2600 level chinese provincial team player I play with about twice a week (and who I sponsored for a green card) can play about any style at a surprisingly high level, shakehand penhold, pips, Tenergy, even long pips. I am amazed by it. But she is not 2600 with all of those blades and grips. Put her in a tournament with Tenergy against other good players and she will be unhappy. And that is the point. What is someone comfortable with? The 2550 Yugoslavian player I sometimes get to play with can crush me with a sheet of Hurricane on his forehand. Put him in a tournament where he is playing for money and he will not be happy. He likes Tenergy 64 and was pretty frustrated after the glue ban until he started using it. He's not going to be happy paying 75 bucks for a sheet of it. |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 9:52am
No Need for you to Reply - The question was asked of HaggisV. You are now sounding more like a thug, chasing me around the forums, and coming up with your smart alec answers, mind you answers that dont make much sense - Go and have another dring and be merry. And I doubt very much you have tried as many rubbers as what I have, and having a dealership means nothing except for the fact that I can do it for a living. Rubbers cost me just the same. This dealership rubbish that you and other members bring up is a load of CR*P. I have never said that you as a private dealer of Tenergy 05 are biased because you benifit from it. AHA, see the truth comes out. And how many times have I said that T64 is a better rubber in my mind than T05 - AHA use the search function Smartie. You are just simply unreal. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 9:55am
The reason I did a search on the queries "tenergy" + "pingpongrob" was to see if you had the 3 or 4 threads you claimed in this thread to have talked about tenergy. I like to research things and come up with claims that I can back. There were more than 3 or 4 I am sorry Rob. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 11:07am
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And the more will be me claiming that T64 or Bryce Speed Fx is more of a speedglue effect.
Sorry Boz, but you really need do better research. BTW, can you find a post of mine bagging T64. I ain't anti BTY, just anti hyping up rubbers that ain't the ants pants. I bet for every Tenergy post I've made, you've made 100. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 12:26pm
I have yet to try a rubber, boosted or not, that replaces the use of speedglue, Tenergy 05 is the closest at about 60% of speedglue performance, and Boosters don't replace Sp/glue they are a poor second, otherwise players would have dropped VOC's long ago in favour of hydrocarbons. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: sebas-aguirre
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 10:21pm
"If the product was sh*t, no-one would buy it"... then please explain why do people buy junk food, go to the movies to see crap quality films, consume crap quality music, etcetera. it's all about the marketing, not the real quality... Personally for backhand I felt tenergy 64 was crap, I really like more hexer. For forehand I used tenergy 05 once but coming from bwII I felt I needed something more extremely aggressive and that would do whatever I want it to do. I can't say that haifu felt erratic, I loved it for long time.... only bad thing was the weight. I don't think there's one best rubber or one truth, everyone chooses what suits him/her best |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 10:39pm
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People! Let cut the crap about T05. There is no need to argue about T05. Even I like T05, but I am sick to see all the post arguing about T05. If you like T05 and you are willing to pay for it, then just do it. Otherwise, look for other alternative. PERIOD!
Let stop arguing
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 10:54pm
+ 1,000,000,000 |
Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 11:04pm
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+1,000,000,000,000
------------- Timo ALC FL Tibhar Grip S MAx Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm He never boosts... of course he never had to... |
Posted By: forthefun
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 11:19pm
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+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,00<
Simple is wonderful If you do not want to know what is inside do not look. No different than a strip bar, if it offends you do not go in but do not judge if you have not gone in. I will continue to buy Tenergy because I am worth it and I feel that it improves my game. It is an asset. If this is worth 3 points in a game then to me it is worth every penny. ------------- Photino FH--Tenergy-05 FX BH--Tenergy-05 FX Back up Photino FH--Tenergy-05 FX BH--Tenergy-05 FX |
Posted By: Best99
Date Posted: 08/14/2010 at 11:37pm
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+100000000 Definitely, the best rubber I've ever tried out. ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC 92 g. Forehand: Tenergy 05 2.1 mm. (black) Backhand: Tenergy 05 2.1 mm. (red). Perfect loops |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 12:20am
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To all, Today during our LATTA Open RR Tourney I talked to one of our top players about why top Chinese men do not use Japanese or European rubbers on their forehand, and whether they can play with Tenergy if forced... He said of course they could play with any Japanese or European rubber if they choose to, but there are two aspects that make them don't want to: 1. All top non-Chinese rubbers, including T05, bottom out too early when used on the FH by the best Chinese male players. They feel they need even harder sponge to efficiently transfer maximum power to their FH rips. 2. From their extensive experiments and practical experiences, a hard rubber like Hurricane III will consistently produce a lower bounce rip than Japanese or European rubbers, a crucial advantage to prevent their attacks from being counterlooped/counterpunched on the table by their European rivals. This lower bounce is what force their opponents off the table and be on the defensive. According to him, the Chinese are actually happy that Europeans and other Asian countries still refuse to accept this reality by stubbornly clinging to what worked for them in the 90s... This is essentially what he said to me today, and I have little need to doubt him.
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 12:32am
| ^I can agree full heartedly about that 2nd part. |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 1:55am
how do you sponsor a table tennis player? do you own a table tennis club? |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 2:36am
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I doubt that any body that just owns a TT club can sponsor a good TT player. It would take and wealthy individual, company or a forum to contribute to a particular player. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 9:02am
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ppeperlocker, About five of us who are directors of a club helped this player get an O-1 visa, which is great because it opens a pretty reliable route to a green card, which she has now applied for. But it is a lot of work to provide the necessary documentation. In this case, "sponsor" basically means paid the lawyer and solicited all of the letters and compiled vast amounts of other documentation that we needed and put together a pretty large package needed to convince immigration agency. Sponsor is perhaps not the right word (it's not like the procedure you use to get permanent residency for a member of your immediate family) but anyway, that's what we did. roundrobbin says the good Chinese pro players at his could play with tenergy. Of course they could. They're really good players. They don't want to. As he said. Because they don't like it. I think he is correct that these players get a bouncier and spinnier rip with their H3. He should also ask them what they used five years ago. Of eight years ago, when they first got on their provincial teams. I am betting all of them used harder and tackier Chinese rubbers through their formative years and glued them like crazy up until two years ago. I bet none of them were gluing Sriver or Bryce. During this time they developed their strokes, with straighter arms, more open racket faces, etc. It is the reason why they are able to do use that stuff now. I once gave a former Chinese provinical player who is a student at my university one of my blades with Tenergy on it to hit with. He had never tried it. His first few shots practically hit the wall. Needless to say, he didn't like it, couldn't understand how anyone could play with it. Of course, this does not apply to all Chinese. Current world number 1 in women uses T64 she gets hers for free. In any case, roundrobbin's argument--I think--is that because good Chinese players at LATTC can use H3 this means everyone else should be able to just switch to hard tacky chinese rubbers and play even better than we do with T05. This is not a good argument. It would require complete reforming of strokes. Mavbe it's possible, but it's not going to be something many people have the patience to do. |
Posted By: petermoo
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 11:52am
I agree 100% Petermoo
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 12:38pm
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Wow, another tread on Tenergy Guess BTY don't need to pay the marketing department as much, since we are doing the marketing for them
With that said, I believe the hype with Tenergy begun purely because it was a BTY product. If Tenergy was labelled 729 Topspin instead, there wouldn't be any hype around it and very few players here would use it. However, with Tenergy, BTY actually manage to create a product that serves certain styles very well and to my knowledge, there isn't any other rubber out there that plays like Tenergy. I haven't tried them all, but I have tried Hexer and Barracuda amongst the latest rubbers and a couple of other Tensors before that. None of them come even close to Tenergy. Tenergy truly is of a different mold and although it might not be the best rubber for every one, there isn't any cheaper options for those who likes the way Tenergy plays. Even though I'm pretty low level, I feel that Tenergy brings out the best of my game and it actually forces me to play active, unlike Tensors where I could play more passive and still get rewarded with a good shot. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 1:11pm
That is largely true. Of course if it really was a 729 product it would never be the same thing each time you bought it. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 1:47pm
Baal:
I have respectfully asked you to stop misspelling my screen name "roundrobin" at the OOAK forum, but you still do it here repeatedly... Are you mocking me?
From where in my previous post I said "everyone" should be able to switch to hard Chinese rubbers? It's pretty obvious I was referring to the world's best players only.
And what has the fact that the Chinese No. 1 woman "gets her T64" for free have to do with with her ability to use it? Also, I never said the top Chinese can use Tenergy, but they do not like it. It's pretty clear from my post that the Chinese said they could use it, but it does not have the low-bouncing advantage of hard Chinese rubbers like H3. Please re-read my post, thanks.
William |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 6:28pm
| William, sorry, no misrepect intended, just typing fast, hadn't even noticed that I had misspelled. A |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 6:48pm
No problem Baal, mistakes do happen... I know you are a real gentleman. Cherry Zhao told me so. |
Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 6:48pm
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Hey Everyone new to the forum and thought I'd pop my bit in. I think maybe it's horses for courses. IF you play hard sponge or softer sponge tacky rubber or rubber with grip and get an advantage at the level you play at then it's good. Having just switched to tenergy a while back it does a lot of things well which suits the level I play at a bit better. basically more plus than minus. It's good for me full stop. World leading players will always like hard sponge, Some of the top Chinese players play really really hard sponge pretuned to get the extra kick. At most of our levels it's what works and at the moment what works is tenergy ....until something else comes along that's better for that level and styles. The price increase....Yep that's crap! but what is another option?
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Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 7:09pm
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tenergy is first choice of the ambitious beginners. good players will do well with many other rubbers. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki club |
Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 7:14pm
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Well... but well is not always good enough when you need that extra advantage or the next level. When everyone was glueing is wasn't so much of a problem but now we can't that extra help sure comes in handy sometimes. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 9:14pm
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Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 08/15/2010 at 9:44pm
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so far there is no rubber that plays like Tenergy and all the companies know them too ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |