Renanos Hold review.
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Topic: Renanos Hold review.
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Subject: Renanos Hold review.
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 3:13am
This will be brief, but there is little info out there about this rubber and I think very highly of it so I want to "spread the word". This will also be my 2nd-to-last review for a long time. The last review will come in a couple weeks--after I have spent some more time with a new secret bit of awesomeness.  Anyway, for now: Renanos Hold. It is awesome. Very spinny, excellent speed, extremely controllable, and a very good feel. I'm currently using it in red, max, on my forehand. I recently switched from XIOM Omega IV Asia. I'm still using O-IV Pro on my backhand because it's working out great for my game. The Asia has very nice feel and good control but was missing some spin for my taste. I got a good deal on some Renanos Hold so I figured I'd try it out since its "shtick" is that it's supposed to be quite spinny. And it is. In fact, I've provided a totally-arbitrary-and-not-drawn-to-any-meaningful-scale graph, um... "thingy" in order to illustrate my opinion of it's spin producing abilities:  The above graph is sure to draw derision, arguments, laughter, etc., from many members... and I must say: I don't care.   It is just a convenient (and informal) way for me to convey my experience with these rubbers (all of which I've used rather recently, except Anti) regarding their spin. Renanos Hold stands near the best of them, but it's control and feel are better than all of the upper level rubbers listed above, in my opinion. Renanos Hold is: Very spinny Very linear (so predictable and responsive--it does whatever I ask) Quite fast Has an excellent feel Very controllable in the short game (not bouncy) Not terribly susceptible to opponent's spin Good for brush loops, power loops, drives, and smashes Just puts the ball on the table effortlessly And because I'm sure the question is coming: If anyone is looking for a replacement for Tenergy that is more forgiving (but slightly less spinny and a touch faster, and with a lower but not low throw) then I would suggest Renanos Hold. That's just me. Your mileage may vary, your technique may vary, your demands, perceptions, and patience may vary... etc, etc, blah, blah blah. For those interested, it happens to be on sale at Paddle Palace right now for $39.95, FYI. But that's not meant to be a plug. Feel free to order from wherever you prefer. I know there are those who say "equipment doesn't matter" and there are parts of that principle with which I utterly agree. But when someone finds some equipment that perfectly suits his or her game then good things can happen. Since using this rubber, I've been regularly beating some 1700+ players at my club. Prior, that occurred only rarely. More balls on the table, more threatening spin, better short game, etc. Anyway, take it or leave it. Try it or don't. I just wanted to say something about it because there's not much info on it and I think it's a great product. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 3:27am
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Thanks for the review. Is it lower throw than T64? Harder or softer? Lighter or heavier?
------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 3:41am
I haven't used T64 in quite some time, but if I'm remembering correctly: -Similar throw, Renanos Hold perhaps slightly lower. -I don't know if it's actually harder (as in, durometer measurement) but it feels... different. T64 has those pips that are spaced slightly further apart which gives it a softer feel even though the sponge is the same as T05, for example. So I'm guessing they're close in actual hardness but Renanos feels slightly harder due to the top sheet. If you've tried Hammond Pro Beta, it's similar in feel... but spinnier and a hair slower in performance. -Weight is probably comparable. Again, these are my best "guesstimates" based on a fairly distant memory of T64. I played with some T64 a couple weeks ago but it was for about 5 minutes. It was months before that when I actually tried it "for real". It definitely has better control (less catapult, more linear). Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
ohhgourami wrote:Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 3:48am
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It is fine. Your review makes me interested in this Renanos Hold, although I know it is best to stick to Nanocannon for now. Just my little digression but I tried T64 pro vs T64 commercial and it feels sooooooo different. They are the same speed for medium power, but pro has sooo many more gears at the high end. Gives you so much confidence to just go for it plus it will keep pumping. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 3:53am
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For me, it lacked the catapult when counterlooping so I gave up. Other than it's spinny, decent speed, very good grip and Japanese. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 4:00am
Thanks for your input. If I remember correctly, you're quite a bit higher level player than I so it makes me feel a little better to know that you found the same--good spin, speed, grip, etc. I also agree that there is no catapult, but that is something I like. Perhaps someday my skill will lead me to prefer the catapult effect but for now I prefer linear rubbers. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 4:18am
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My level is not that high. It's just that I'm lazy, I believe it's good if you commit to the stroke. But I'm so used to rubbers that have good catapult. Renanos Hold plays a bit like Chinese compared to Tenergy or other similiar ESN offerings. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 4:28am
It's interesting you say that. I love Chinese rubbers (i.e., hard and tacky) and have used them on my forehand for the last 6-8 months until I just recently started looking elsewhere. Without coaching and formal training I just found hard tacky rubbers too unforgiving. I tried Tenergy 05 the other day and, although it's a rubber with extreme capabilities, I realized I'd have to completely change my stroke to utilize T05 properly. Screw that.  Anyway, I found that the stroke I acquired using Chinese rubbers works very well with Renanos Hold, and RH is faster and much more forgiving than the Chinese hard tackies (even if it's slightly less spinny).I'm rambling. But yes, I think Renanos Hold has the quality and build of a Japanese rubber but plays a lot like a Chinese rubber. The best of both worlds, in my opinion. Or reasonably close. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: Skippy
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 10:06am
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The Renanos Hold must play nothing like the Renanos Brights. The Bright series of Renanos were crazy bouncy. I absolutely hated how bouncy they were. I read the descriptions of Renanos Hold and they do sound nice, but the Renanos Bright Soft was the one that had absolutely no short game. ------------- Xiom Zetro Quad FH: Andro Hexer Max BH: Xiom Euro Vega Max |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 2:16pm
Sorry, I have no experience with the other Renanos rubbers. What I do know is that Hold is not at all bouncy for me in the short game. For a comparison: The XIOM Vega series are known for their good control in the short game due to a lack of bounciness. The XIOM Omega IV series is an improvement even beyond the Vega series (in all respects, including the short game ease). That being said, Renanos Hold is easier to control in the short game than even my Omega IV Pro that I have on my backhand. So, in short, Hold is better in the short game than a rubber which is already known to be very good in the short game. Like speaquinox said, Hold plays a bit like a Chinese rubber. Not that it's hard, tacky, and unforgiving, but simply that it is completely linear. You hit soft, you get a soft shot. You swing hard, you get a powerful shot. You won't get any catapult to help you so you do have to make your own power, but you also don't have to worry about this rubber acting funny in either the short or long game. You also don't have to worry about it bottoming out, as the sponge is pretty hard as Japanese rubbers go. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: strongpong
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 6:20pm
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Thanks for the review Anton, lots of direct info.
I have only recently started using Nittaku rubbers (Refoma being the only one so far) and am really liking the same attributes you are with the Renanos Hold. Linearity in strokes is the best I have encountered yet. The sponge feel is hard to describe - kind of like a moist sucking in of the ball, smooth. It compresses and lets the ball in for good dwell time, but then the catapault back out is very responsive to the user. The speed is there - if you choose to use it.
This is very refreshing after so many pre-tuned spring sponged rubbers dictating the shot being produced. With these rubbers I feel like I am using a product to produce shots it is capable of (I have to conciously think of what I can and can't do with it) - with the Nittaku rubber I feel like I am simply playing shots as they form in my mind.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 6:31pm
Precisely!!! Extremely well said.   I still have a "pre-tuned spring sponged rubber that dictates my shots" on my backhand and, for now, it's working. But that's only because my backhand isn't as developed as it should be. If it were, I'd be eying that Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta for my BH. Perhaps once this O-IV Pro wears out in the next few months or so... Anyway, for my forehand, which is much more refined, I prefer a rubber that doesn't "help" me. At least on my forehand side, I say, "I'm the artist, not the equipment. Just give me the brush and let me paint."  And yes, that metaphor makes me a huge dork.  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: ppwwqq
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 8:24pm
| Do you think max and 1.9 make a big difference? |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 8:38pm
Not a huge difference, IMO. It depends on how hard you hit, I think, and what you're using it for. On the backhand, especially with harder rubbers, I prefer 1.9 because I block more and don't swing "balls out" as much. I'm not in fear of bottoming out the sponge and I only have to worry about spin on opening loops since I rarely counter loop with my backhand. I also don't have as good control on my backhand. On my forehand I swing as hard as I can whenever I can, and I loop kill and drive a lot so I want max spin with no bottoming out. Therefore on my forehand I prefer 2.1. For someone who doesn't hit as hard then I'm sure 1.9 is sufficient and might even be a little better control-wise. Or for someone who blocks a lot then 1.9 is probably better too... However, I wouldn't think this rubber would be an ideal blocking rubber given its predilection for spin generation. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: simon_xuan
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 11:14pm
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I played this rubber with my club member's TSP. He used it for his BH, but I would love to use it for the FH to replace my Chinese rubber H3, TG2, etc. After giving up on the search of prov or national versions of these Chinese rubbers, I started to play with ESN and Jap rubbers for my Chinese style FH, e.g. bigger stretched arm looping. Renanos Hold is one of these can replace glued H3. I have been reading about this one in Chinese web sites as well. This is my next EJ rubber for my FH. Thanks for sharing.
------------- RPB Rocks! BTY Innerforce ZLC Cpen | DHS H3N Blue Sponge | Victas V>15 Extra Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36695 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/13/2011 at 11:17pm
I'd love to hear what they're saying about it on the Chinese sites, if you're willing to paraphrase...? If not, no worries. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 12:48am
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I would like to second Anton's review of Renanos Hold. I have been championing this at my club for sometime and I am 100% set that this is my backhand rubber. This rubber is VERY linear compared to something like Tenergy or ESN Tensor-insert-name-here and while it can create a very powerful spinney loop when you swing hard, it has superb control in the short game and is not bouncy like Tenergy (if you drop a ball on a paddle with Tenergy and one with Renanos Hold, you will see the difference). I think what really makes the classic rubbers (Mark V, Sriver, H3, etc) so classic is their linearity. You can go anywhere from the slowest shortest dropshots to the massively spinney forehand loopdrives and everywhere inbetween. I think Renanos Hold captures that linearity and that classic predictability better than most of the new rubbers on the market. |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 2:15am
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Anton could you please compare Renanos Hold speed with Omega IV Asia and Pro? ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 2:44am
Oops... you said "speed". I didn't see that at first and wrote a long comparison of both. In terms of speed alone, I'd say that Renanos Hold is potentially faster but you have to work a little harder for it. Not like with the harder tacky rubbers, by any means... it's certainly easier to produce speed than Neo H3, for example. But there is also no Tenergy catapult there to "help" you. In the middle gears the Omegas feel faster because they don't require as much effort due to the catapult. But when I'm allowed to let a winner rip at full force, the Renanos Hold is faster. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 4:14am
Anton, Have you tried H3 National tuned with Parafin Oil? It's totally different from Provincial, more speed, more spin too. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 4:31am
Not sure he has but I have with a much more powerful tuner than paraffin oil Definitely much much more spin and speed ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 5:21am
Is it your own formula or it's available at the market? ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 9:35am
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 9:50am
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Anybody try it on the BH?
------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 10:51am
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Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 10:55am
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 1:21pm
I took it off the forehand of my shakehand blade and put it on the backhand of my SuperCpen blade (which has Thor's on the forehand). I will try it out tomorrow and let you know what I think. I imagine it will function quite well there. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 1:26pm
I haven't tried it. I don't want to deal with the hassle of locating a "national" sheet, pay the (usually) ridiculous price, all the while wondering if it's legitimate. Then, I don't want to have to boost, worry about the proper amount, replicating it precisely each time I have to do it so I don't feel like I'm playing with a different rubber, and ultimately have my rubbers wear out faster. I had Renanos Hold on my forehand on my shakehand blade, but I'm going to try it out on my backhand on my SuperCpen blade. As far as hard tacky rubbers go, I've found Thor's to be my favorite. In fact, I'm playing with Thor's on my SuperCpen blade right now (on my forehand) and it does everything I ask of it... all without having to boost it. I've cheated on Thor's here and there but I keep coming back to it, which says something to me. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 1:46pm
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 2:34pm
If your tuner is more powerful than Paraffin Oil, I'd hate to use a racket like yours haha. PO adds soooooo much speed. I go LIGHT on it, and keep glue buildup ON. I know people who do 3 layers on a bare sponge.
I don't know how people can handle it.
 Anton, have you ever used Hammond X?
Best looper at my club always used it on his FH, switched to Beta, hated it, now goes back to Hammond X. Can you compare it to that speed/spin wise? (if you have used it)
I'm also 100% for Linear rubbers. Catapult is unnecccessary at our level. Even when Counter-looping. I feel like that's why I actually end up counter-looping in matches and not just in practice, because I pick equipment I can actually handle and I'm confident about doing shots. On my RPB, I'm using 729-3OEM, a 7 dollar rubber. I stuffed that loopers shots over and over again with my RPB. I Counter Looped his openings with my RPB. I don't even play penhold, it was the first time doing it in a long time. But I had control and predictability- 7 dollar rubber. Works for me
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 2:42pm
finally... another great BH rubber review... and i'm not tempted to get one tomorrow!!  what a relief!!
 i have reached that phase of ecstacy with Palio Thors BH. Hope it lasts long. i will have to lose real bad to low level players before i can come to this thread again, and go ..."btw...does renanos hold does ..xxxxxxx.. better than THors?" ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 3:40pm
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Thanks Bmonkey, I think Hexer is pretty solid for the BH, best rubber so far after glued up Sriver L for me.. I definitely will keep Renanos Hold in mind when I change my BH rubber. I do can play with more variety rubber on the BH, my FH is settle on Hurricane II or III (I can switch between both without a problem). I think I haven't settled on the BH because it is still in a developing state. ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 3:53pm
I didn't know you tooled around with Cpen. Cool! I just picked it up again due to http://www.supercpen.com - this innovation. It makes it much easier. I think Cpen has a lot more options so I've always preferred to play that style but the difficulty of learning it initially kept me going back to shakehand. But with that grip I find it much easier. Anyway, to answer your question: No, I haven't tried Hammond X. One of my training partners uses Hammond Pro Alpha on his RPB and loves it. But I can't make any comparisons between all the Hammonds, sorry. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 6:26pm
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I've always liked cpen because of that aso- it has more options. I feel like it's easier to be creative. That's why I like Xu Xin so much- he's a creative player.
Also, as far as the stroke itself, my RPB is actually better than my Shakehand BH when it comes to being an attacking tool. I will always stroke the ball with RPB automatically. Usually this looper will get a lot of BH blocks back along with some punches/hits... never counter loops from me when I play shake. But RPB makes my wrist angle almost automatic for just unwinding into the ball. I also like how free I feel over the table to do more things. The wrist is key here too. I'm actually giving it a serious go fora little bit I think.
I don't need the SueprCpen though, I like regular handles. I like using Traditional BH for blocking and punching too, but I'm more like 80% RPB. Really, what got me using Cpen this time was just the fact that as a blade, I think the Yasaka Extra is my favorite of all time, and I have my friends cpen one. I don't like it in shakehand... I've had it. Maybe its just this cut of wood, but this blade is just the most wonderful thing ever.
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 6:44pm
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i don't understand how you guys at decent level can play shake hand and penhold at different times. i can change rubbers or blades or anyhing, but can't think of changing my grip, and be considered a serious player still. for me a player makes that choice only once, when they start the game. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 8:57pm
I wouldn't consider myself at a "decent" level. I have started beating some 1700+ players recently (but only while playing shakehand), but I still don't consider that to be very good. So I just try to have fun by trying a lot of different things. I've actually learned a lot about the game in this way. Although I'm "competitive" when I play (i.e., I like winning more than losing and try to do it whenever possible), I don't actually compete in tournaments. My main reason for getting better is simply that the better I get the more fun this game becomes. So basically, I do whatever is fun (while still trying to improve). And Cpen is a lot of fun. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 8:59pm
I totally agree regarding the YE. I haven't ever tried it shakehand, but the Cpen YE truly is "the most wonderful thing ever", for sure. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 10:09pm
What I want to emphasize is that H3 National is much more superior than Provincial when both Tuned Yes it's illegal but I'm sure the Chinese top players also tuning their H3. There's no other rubber can play identical with H3 but with more speed. The only way to make it faster is to tuned it. After tuning it once, I don't need to retune it again, It's much better than normal untuned. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 10:21pm
Believe me, H3 National is as fast as Thor even when the tuned effect is gone. But it produced much more spin. First I use H3 National then switch to Thor because of great review in this forum. Thor sometimes can produce not spinny loops and horrible when counter looping as most of them goes to net. With H3 National I can do all kind of loops with same amount of spin, fast loop or slow loops. Try it and you'll find the joyful of looping. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 11:24pm
Okay, I'll bite: So... where do you get yours? And, have you tried the Globe 999 National? If so, how does the H3 National compare? ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 02/16/2011 at 11:51pm
HMM... can't! ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 2:48am
I bought it at prott.cc, the white package one, the speed glue version. It is more spinny than the Neo National blue sponge. No I haven't tried globe 999 National... ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 2:53am
Probably I'm used to H3, no other rubber which is more predictable and convincing to hit. I thought Thor is the answer, chinese sticky tensor. Producing as much spin as chinese tacky rubber, but faster. Yes it's faster but not much, I would say my loop is very easily block compared to H3. So I think I will never get a faster H3 subtitute from other brand, stop dreaming ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 3:29am
Some just have a better understanding of certain things i guess. Some people can adjust to things better than others. That's all. Just because you cant play penhold at the same level doesn't mean I can't.
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 3:32am
I like that :)
the best way to understand more about something is to try it yourself. At the end of the day, I'm probably a shakehander that plays inverted rubber on both sides. But I will fool around with all kinds of stuff.. It's FUN.. and it really helps you build an understanding of things. I learn a lot from playing Cpen about my own game that I can relate to using my normal grip. I learned alot about my own game when I was chopping with LP for a spell. Using these things makes me a better player when I come back to normal, and I understand more about how certain things work, thus improving my game even more.
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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 4:01am
Is it this thing? I'm just guessing http://www.ttshop.cn/product.asp?id=2241 It cost 450 yuan for 1 bottle, very expensive!!!! ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 8:02am
Not sure since I don't tune the stuff myself nor have I seen the tuning process. I'm a lil tight on cash right now since I just dropped a ton of money on audio gear. But later I might just buy a bottle to see whats up. Plus, need money for the new HK III So broke  ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: Skippy
Date Posted: 02/17/2011 at 9:53pm
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I don't see a white package DHS National H3 at that site. Nevermind. Found it at eacheng.net. Sorry guys. I'm not sure how this got so far away from Renanos Hold. ------------- Xiom Zetro Quad FH: Andro Hexer Max BH: Xiom Euro Vega Max |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/21/2011 at 1:56pm
I tried it on the backhand of both my SuperCpen blade and my shakehand blade. If you were hoping for some good news, then I can give you some. It's a great backhand rubber. However, coming from a Tensor you may not like it as much immediately. Again, this rubber has plenty of potential speed, but no catapult effect. So it feels different and if you're extremely accustomed to that catapult effect then a rubber like this may feel funny at first. But it has very good spin, very good speed, and very nice control. It is slightly more susceptible to incoming spin than the O-IV Pro I was using, but it's also more capable of generating spin. There's always a trade off, I guess. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/21/2011 at 9:00pm
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I kinda like the catapult effect.. it make it easier to block, though need better touch :) I might still try it, but the option so many now  , I don't know what I will end up buying Renanos, Adidas P5, Calibra LT, or another Hexer ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 02/21/2011 at 9:41pm
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 02/22/2011 at 5:51am
I kinda stop EJ-ing so I am using one setup at a time, it's hard to maintain consistency if I keep changing my setup... ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: Kashuken
Date Posted: 02/23/2011 at 2:56pm
What sponge thickness are you using for your Cpen? I'm seriously considering it for rpb. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 02/23/2011 at 3:00pm
On my first try I used 2.1mm, but I'll be switching to 1.9mm. I'm about 1600-1700 USATT shakehand, but probably 1500-1600 Cpen. So I need the thinner rubber for slightly improved control. If you like the Japanese type rubber, I do highly suggest it. It's like a much spinnier Bryce Speed. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 04/13/2011 at 4:37pm
| not to dig threads, but that means that this stuff is comppletely not tacky, right? If it's at all like Bryce speed that is. |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 04/13/2011 at 9:57pm
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Posted By: notgood
Date Posted: 04/13/2011 at 10:31pm
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I loved how the rubber played when I first got it. It starts out with a the slightest bit of tack, and the sponge seems a bit more dead than your average Jap/Euro rubber. However, it is still much much faster than a Chinese rubber. But after a few sessions the sponge comes to life, and soon after the tack goes away and the rubber turns into a slightly more controlled version of Joola Phenix in my opinion. This is not to say anything bad about the rubber. It will do what it is supposed to and it can produce good amounts of speed and spin. Its just not as amazing as it was when it was brand new. Currently, it is my favorite FH rubber that maintains a sub $45 price tag....But i just hit it on the table in a tournament last weekend so I will use this opportunity to EJ some more :) ------------- Viscaria Vega Pro Hammond Pro Beta |
Posted By: simon_xuan
Date Posted: 04/13/2011 at 10:56pm
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Just use this rubber for a couple of hours of play. It is easy to loop and great placement rubber. Not with penetrating power, but linear with consistency is a good characteristic for FH. ------------- RPB Rocks! BTY Innerforce ZLC Cpen | DHS H3N Blue Sponge | Victas V>15 Extra Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36695 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 12:30am
| so it doesn't sound like an H3 replacement... yeah? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 1:00am
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how does renanos hold compare with yinhe moon? ... yeah i know its a tough analogy... but wanted to check what's the speed/spin comparison for modern non-tacky chinese rubbers with modern non-tacky spinny [non-tenergy] jap rubbers. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 1:29am
Could you give a little more in depth comparison between RH vs Phoenix - in terms of speed spin grippiness sponge hardness and may be durability? I'm now using it (phoenix) and abs love it - so well balanced rubber ! But if there's smth better - I'd like to try it later
Thnx a lot! ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: cls2222
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 1:34am
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Must be a decent rubber since Chan Kazuhiro is using it according to that Japanese magazine which lists the top 16 players equipment. ------------- Korbel Stiga Boost TX |
Posted By: notgood
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 1:57am
I played with Joola Phenix right before I tried Renanos Hold. I have never hit such amazing shots as I did with Phenix. Some of them were incredibly powerful, but I felt it was just a bit too fast for me. Renanos Hold has an overall "feel" to it that reminds me of Phenix. Both are of similar hardness. Phenix is the faster of the two, and the amount of spin I could produce with both rubbers is similar. The grippiness and durability is a bit hard to describe. A brand new sheet of RH is more grippy for sure, but it doesn't take long until the rubbers have almost identical amounts of grip. I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary on either sheet as far as durability goes. Both rubbers seemed to last about as long as I expect a sheet to go. The only difference is that RH changes its properties a bit after the first few sessions. I basically feel like I could interchange the two and not have much trouble adapting at all. Phenix will be faster and more powerful...RH will have a bit more control and not quite as powerful, but still strong. Edit: Remember that RH only becomes like Phenix after it gets some wear on it. I don't want anyone to be mad at me when they try it out at first and it is way different ------------- Viscaria Vega Pro Hammond Pro Beta |
Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 04/14/2011 at 3:07am
I' m happy with phoenix and only gonna try Adidas P5 for a sake of EJ. Still, phoenix is one of the most consistent and reliable rubbers for my FH while being one of the fastest rubbers I tried. Amasing. ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/03/2012 at 3:26pm
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grave digging! I played with this rubber twice now on a friends racket. It's money. Money all day long- looping is so good with it. What I want to know, before I buy it- how long is this rubber lasting for people who have had it? Even more important question now since this rubber is 50 bucks.
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Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 03/03/2012 at 4:57pm
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I only tried hammond rubber from nittaku. it is pretty good, and I got it for 29 dollars. so thumbs up for nittaku in my personal rating |
Posted By: Mahmood
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 4:31am
Hi there Anton , if you please could compare Renanos Hold to my EJ list, not all... Only the ones that you know about. And I mean in every aspect if you could please (Spin, throw angle, sponge hardness, topsheet type if its ard or elastic, speed).Xiom Omega IV Pro Xiom Sigma Pro Nittaku Narucross GS Hard Nittaku Hammond Beta Pro Nittaku Hurricane 3 (Yes its from Nittaku) Donic Acuda S1 Turbo Donic Coppa X1 Platin Turbo Stiga Calibra LT + And finally my beloved Baracuda. I hope that is not a difficult task ... No pressure if you dont want r havent tried any of the above.Thank you very much. PS. I think I am becoming a big fan of Nittaku
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Posted By: Mahmood
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 5:01am
You mean the one that costs 88$? My God that is expensive... Did you get it? How was it? Was it the one you were looking for? I want a review :(( I found the same on ttnpp for 55$.
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Posted By: a1exander
Date Posted: 03/22/2012 at 3:32pm
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Is RH slower or faster then Xiom Omega IV Asia? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 03/22/2012 at 7:35pm
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i have a Barely Used Renanos Hold.... max black...... if anyone wants pm me. i can ship it anywhere in US for $39. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/23/2012 at 3:13am
i think is the old jo walnder rebranded |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 03/23/2012 at 4:58am
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wasn't jo waldner from esn? renanos hold is from diff factory ..made in japan ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: ping_77
Date Posted: 07/31/2012 at 12:56pm
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I have a question, I want to change to Nittaku
rubbers... now I am playing with XIOM Vega Europe (soft) red in my BH and XIOM OMEGA IV Pro (medium) black on my FH... What is your oppinion on the http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-nittaku-fastarc-g-1 - NITTAKU FASTARC G-1 or http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-nittaku-renanos-hold - NITTAKU RENANOS HOLD blac for my Forehand (FH) and on the NITTAKU NARUCROSS GS SUPER SOFT or the NITTAKU NARUCROSS GS SOFT red for my Backhand (BH)??? Thank you for your help. Best regards, |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/31/2012 at 2:45pm
Hello and welcome to the forums! First off, thank you for posting this is the right place! Without seeing your game or knowing anything about your level or style, it would be impossible for us to provide a recommendation with any degree of merit. Can you tell us more about your level, playstyle (videos most helpful) and what you would like to improve over the Vega and Omega? Also, what blade are you using? Thanks!
------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: ping_77
Date Posted: 07/31/2012 at 3:16pm
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I guess the level would be 1800+, playing style, close to the table, bloking and topspin BH, bloking and topspin FH, allround+ player.. My blade is a TSP BALSA 5.5 Thanks, |
Posted By: Gustau
Date Posted: 12/21/2015 at 3:39am
| Ressurecting this thread... question: is this still a good rubber with the new plastic ball? |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 12/21/2015 at 4:34pm
Upon occasion I use Viscaria/Renanos Hold and find it ok for the plastic ball. This blade/rubber combination is used by Darth Vader that is why I play it. Seriously it shouldn't be a problem unless you have a crappy stroke. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 12/21/2015 at 5:22pm
| I almost bought a sheet recently for my Barwell, but decided against it in the end. I tried it a couple years back. I'm sure it's fine for plastic. A lot of people find it to be a really spinny rubber to loop with. And it's definitely not too slow from what I remember. |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 03/18/2016 at 10:39pm
| I have been using RH for sometime as a FH rubber but recently decided to try the new P12 SoulSpin product as I wondered if the P12 would be similar to the RH. RH is listed as 37 degree hardness and the P12 is 52 degrees. The P12 like the RH does not feel boasted and feels similar but is faster with great control. The P12 is listed at $60.00 so its significantly more money then buying at TT Japan for $36. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 12/11/2016 at 5:09pm
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Bump: Anyone using this with plastic ball? I've gone through a few different more modern rubbers on forehand side in the past while since I stopped using Hurricane 3. MX-P, MX-S, Vega Japan, Vega Pro, Fastarc G-1. I haven't played RH in a long time, still expensive enough that I'd like to see how it is fairing for anyone before buying. I kept thinking about trying Rasant Grip or power grip, or just getting back to the G-1. My main thing is that since I'm actually practicing and doing multiball regularly now, I'm noticing my rubber is wearing out much faster. Was thinking maybe RH might be a good option since it's not a tensor or a factory boosted rubber. Any impressions? Better yet, anyone have recent experience comparing RH to say, G-1? |
Posted By: DarkerMyLove
Date Posted: 12/11/2016 at 9:36pm
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2 places in Taiwan are not re-ordering Renanos Hold and one said it was being phased out by Nittaku (not sure how accurate this statement is). The other place was thankful when I bought their last black sheet...lol (right now tabletennis11 seems to have all options in stk) At that time i was searching around, Tabletennis11 did not have stk for the 2 months I checked for it so I bought a sheet of G-1 locally, but i didn't like it. I felt that G-1 & RH have similar speed but the control was just not the same. Looping control and blocks just felt so much better with RH. For serves both worked really well for nice spinny serves. (However I spent only 3-4 weeks (6 hrs per week) with the G-1 so perhaps just not enough time with it) Both have noticeable tackiness but not like H3. Also if weight is a concern RH is noticeably lighter than G-1. I actually still have RH on my backup blade but I made the switch 7 months ago to Rasant grip as my main FH rubber which is similar in speed, control and hardness but no tackiness. Rasant grip definitely has a different 'feel' to RH but I'm enjoying Rasant grip.
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Posted By: igorigor
Date Posted: 12/12/2016 at 1:39am
| Tomioka (tt-japan.net)has it on stock. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 10:28am
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After August 31, 2018, Renanos Hold will be discontinued. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 12:53pm
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Posted By: igorigor
Date Posted: 07/09/2018 at 2:26pm
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[QUOTE=tom][QUOTE=Ray]After August 31, 2018, Renanos Hold will be discontinued. Not Renasos hold, Renanos BS will be discontinued. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 07/10/2018 at 11:20am
Renanos Hold: https://tt-lover.com/blog/fixation_table-tennis-information/outofprintitem_nittaku_20180831/" rel="nofollow - https://tt-lover.com/blog/fixation_table-tennis-information/outofprintitem_nittaku_20180831/ ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |