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Topic: 'Rare Footage' Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at
Posted By: lild100
Subject: 'Rare Footage' Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 11:39am
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Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at China Trials 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbqSMmboqQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbqSMmboqQ Are they boosting?
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Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 11:51am
WLQ seemed to use WBG.. I dunno about Ma Lin 
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Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 12:02pm
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It looks like Ma Lin is using some sort of booster (the yellow topped bottle has a brush attached) and both are using Nittaku Finezip (incidentally, the nicest water based glue I've ever used). ------------- Blade: BTY Zhang Jike ALC-CS FH: BTY Tenergy 05 BH: BTY Rozena |
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 12:11pm
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what is that contraption that the off-camera, talking girl is handing ma lin?? is that an e-nez sniffer?? anyhow, even if they are using a booster, it's clearly VOC-free. so, what's the sense in making a rule that's totally unenforceable?? |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 12:18pm
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Its not an enez machine, they are larger with a chamber that fits the bat into, It looks like one of the new more sensitive devices though.
Its pretty clear that WLQ keeps his room tidyer than Ma Lin, thats for sure. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 12:28pm
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I don't know those bottles and stuff, but really, even IF ma and wang would've been boosting, cctv wouldn't record it or even get permission from ma and wang to record it.
And if ma and wang would be so crazy to give that permission, than cctv wouldn't show it.
They don't boost.
At least not illegally. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/ttCrawsaive |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 1:44pm
| Ma was using Haifu Glue. It looked very similar to the speed glue bottles Haifu makes... |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 1:53pm
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The bottle of Haifu on table looks like tuning oil, and it looks like he used finezip to glue. The female voice said at the end..... "hurry up, we only have 10 mins".  ------------- |
Posted By: spinnmaster
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 2:58pm
| They certainly boost, look howe the rubber is domed/curled. I think all the top players boost their rubbers and i am confused howe they manage to pass all the racket coverings tests??? |
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:03pm
i have to agree. CCTV had to get permission from the chinese nat'l team, probably from the manager, HUANG BIAO (forgive me if that's not the right way to spell his name) first just to film and then later to show what they filmed to the public. it's a safe bet that at least huang biao, before signing off on it, woulda gone over that film first to make sure nothing objectionable would air (literally and figuratively). and it's a distinct possibility, given how "propangandistic" they are over there, that the whole thing was contrived just to show that they're in compliance with the rules. who is the talking girl that hands ma that device before he walks out? what is that device and why did the cameraman film "the hand-off?" lastly, adham sharara WILL see that video. what sense does it make for the chinese nat'l team to allow a video, first, to be made and then, second, to be released to the public that depicts them casually flouting the rules? |
ttCrawsaive wrote:Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:05pm
yeah, well, ma evidently has a girl that's taking care of him. wang's busy chasing after movie star chicks!!! |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:06pm
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A domed rubber doesn't prove they boosted them. No doubt they would say they came from the factory like that.
Based on the title I was expecting a little bit more evidence. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: spinnmaster
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:13pm
| Yes a domed rubber doesn´t prove anything, but we all know what it is THEY ARE BOOSTING! |
Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:22pm
But there is a Haifu Booster on the table.... on that table there should only be white glue. There is visible of white glue and the Haifu booster here:  |
Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:30pm
| Ma Lin I can't really tell, but WLQ on the other hand I think definitely boosted or tuned. For those of you who have done so before, you know there is that special rubber jiggle from a fresh boosting when you move the rubber around. It's from the swelling of the sponge in combination with the tight stretch of the topsheet. Watch WLQ's rubber jiggle like Jell-o with any slight movement..... certainly tuned up there. |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:39pm
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WLQ rubber looks like it already has an application of 'something' before he used FineZip.
------------- Andrzej Grubba AN Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
Posted By: spinnmaster
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 4:49pm
| Yes it certainly does look like there is some kind of stuff before FineZip! |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 5:06pm
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no way.....pro's would never boost a rubber..... The Haifu bottle is probably just some new energy drink they were sharing. They needed to do something with all those bottles after the ITTF put the ca-bosh on the Haifu oil tuner. Oh...and the electronic device in the lady's hand looks like a remote mic and headset. Ma Lin was probably going to give an interview or do some special spot for CCTV. ------------- |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 5:08pm
------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:28pm
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Can anyone who understands Chinese give a gist of the interview? I'm a little surprised because it looks like they're about to play in a tournament and they've just glued their rackets (of course, they might have filmed earlier). I usually need at least 24 hours of letting a racket dry after using water glue but I usually let mine dry for 2 or 3 days before using. Otherwise, it feels really mushy. Maybe it's different for hard Chinese sponges.
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Posted By: panany
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:29pm
| i have this booster haifu :) is very good... |
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:30pm
| Why is there even an argument here? The general agreement about Chinese rubbers is that they aren't playable in high levels without lots of tuning to get any kind of feel, people talk all about it, but when given video evidence, its "naw, just because there's a bottle there that looks exactly like tuning oil, doesnt mean he tunes!" |
Posted By: panany
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:42pm
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but you dont see her rubber he is curled............................ of course he uesr booster hehe |
Posted By: caishl
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:43pm
| He's burning through that booster |
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:47pm
| On the table there is a little bottle of glue, the bottle that is clearly haifu tuning oil, and his racket and already cut rubber. If he wasnt boosting, why did he remove and then re-glue an already cut sheet instead of putting on a new one? |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 7:50pm
| The commentator said WLQ brushed glue onto his rubber more than 10 times while showing him putting the white glue (finezip?) onto the sponge. I have a feeling he used a different glue/booster 10+ times before putting the finezip on... WLQ was known for speedgluing 20+ times before the ban! |
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 8:04pm
wow!! that's pretty damn incriminating!! i just wonder why would they even show that, knowing the president will most likely see the vid... are you sure this is actually booster? the blurb on the label says it's "adhesive," as you guys over in england say. |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 8:15pm
During trials, the chinese usually operate under different rules. Ma Lin once played with black rubber on both sides of his paddle during Chinese league matches, so I am not surprised. @takaaki, even if the president sees it, he can't do anything about it. If he tests the racket, and it turns up nothing, then he will just embarrass himself. If it does turn up something, then Ma Lin can just grab another paddle, like in 07 when they said his rubber was too thick so he played with Wang Hao's paddle.
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Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 8:35pm
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oh, this was during the trials... well, then, sharara has no jurisdiction over that... here, they're playing between themselves, so it doesn't really matter, but, like you say, even if they do it during the pro tour, so what?? it's undetectable. besides, everybody's doing it--alexli sells this at his store, so anybody can get it. |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 8:59pm
There in lies that problem, "everyone does it so its okay", that doesn't really make it okay. Then again, how completely awful would it be to watch chinese players playing with Hurricane/Skyline untuned using water glue? The game would be as slow as the amateurs.
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Posted By: Slade
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 9:27pm
I don't know your experience level, so I'll just throw this out there: Are you sure you are doing it right? Meaning, applying the glue both on rubber and blade and then waiting a good 30+ or however many minutes for it to completely dry or at least turn clear on both BEFORE attaching them together? You could play right after that if you wanted, though I let it compress/sit overnight. If you don't let it dry fully, and attach it while white/wet/gooey/etc, it doesn't come out right (glue bubbles, maybe your "mushy" problem). This wasn't intuitive to me for awhile but is second nature now. ------------- USATT 1700 ··· http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4ZIfqXk9g&hd=1" rel="nofollow - 11/02/2013 ◄ ПЕШ |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/12/2011 at 11:03pm
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I think it's silly how all of you guys are soooo surprised that they are tuning. You can hear the tuning in the videos already and that nice pop is coming off of every pro's rubber. Yes, that probably IS Haifu Oil as I used to use it myself. It is also undetectable so the ITTF cannot prove anything. Yes, the Chinese tune, but so does everything else. Not using this as an excuse to say it is right or not, just I think it's silly people are always pointing fingers at the Chinese - availability heuristic. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 3:51am
I'd agree with you, friend. Everyone is always pointing the fingers at the chinese. But I guess it's just because people will always hate on who's on top. Especially when the dominance is so severe. And, you'd be suprised at how much of it is negativity geared by racism. No matter how taboo it seems to talk about, I can see racism towards chinese people in a lot of people's attitudes.
I thought it was funny in that video specifically how many people were pointing out WLQ, when all he was doing was layering water glue on a brand new sheet of rubber, while Ma Lin had a CUT rubber that was super domed being re applied with a bottle of haifu oil right next to it.
Either way, I don't care. My opinion of them is just as high, because everyone tunes at that level, I don't care what anyone says. And in my eyes, it's okay. Don't bother commenting at me if you are one of those "it's illegal so you're a sh*tty person" opinion having unrealistic turds. I'm 7 beers in so it won't matter.
I remember a while back that the ITTF was investigating Haifu Oil specifically because they thought it was a good remedy, but I haven't heard anything regarding the reversal of legality or anything.
I have an interesting and funny tidbit- I just got a new sheet of Old #20 H3, and want to tune it. I have the "haifu oil substitute" from ttnpp, and as I'm ready to apply it I realize it smells almost identical to vegetable oil. Go figure. They are putting vegetable oil in a canister and selling it as a tuner. Also, it looks nothing like Haifu Oil anyway. Now I'm almost afraid to use my rubber, because I have nothing to prime it with, and nothing to tune it with. :(
yeah, that's right MYTT. I tune. :O:O:O:O
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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 3:54am
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put on about 3 layers of your vegie oil/paraffin oil/whatever tuner. it'll make a huge difference. i put about 4 on an h3 neo and it turned into a rocket. medium soft with a lot of kick. the more you get it to curl up, the better ^_^. now find some strong glue to clamp the sucker down.
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 3:55am
Cheater.  (kidding...)  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:03am
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I don't want to tune it as much as usual, because it's a 39 instead of a 40 (albert sent me what he had, I guess) so It's already soft.
This stuff doesn't seem to be absorbed into the sponge very fast, so I'm going to be waiting a while. I put it on anyway, in the end. I really think it's just vegetable oil.
I wouldn't tune H3 with paraffin oil, at least a non-neo. I don't like the weird effects of paraffin oil over time. It is different every time, and in the end the rubber plays awfully. That's why I went back to Hammond X instead of tuning the MarkV. Hammond X doesn't need tune. MarkV does for how I play BH.
I wish I had some haifu oil..... or some speedglue :)
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:09am
Why don't you get some speed glue? It's pretty easy to obtain and not terribly expensive. Albert has some Haifu speed glue, for example. I'll be super-priming my blue sponge TG3 just as soon as I get it.  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:15am
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eh, his price for speedglue is steep for me. Besides, I want to get used to the idea of tuning with something. I don't want to just prime the rubber. I feel like if I don't feel that 'pop' every time I hit the ball, then something is wrong. lol. Dangers of playing with glue/tune. I have played with Haifu Oil ONCE, and I feel like I've never lost the addiction of the feel it produces.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:16am
Well if you find a source, let me know. I'm interested in trying it...  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:18am
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haha, If I was rich.
I heard that 300ml went for 600 dollars in one specific sale to a province player. Haifu Oil is super scarce.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:23am
Ouch!  That's lunacy. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: tiburon74
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 7:21am
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fortunatly for me 1 got 2 haifu oil bottles left jejejeje, even tenergy feels super nice with it!!! ------------- 1 Ply Hinoki Club Darker Speed 90 Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 7:50am
I just want to say, i aint pointing fingers at anyone,, this is just the first case where ive seen a pro have a booster bottle next to them... and in this case it happened to be a Chinese pro.. We all know they are all boosting... just think the sporting rules need to be careful, because it does not make sence the pros are allowed to get away with it and us guys are not. How are we ever dream to get to there level when they have bats out of this world eh...
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 7:52am
Yup, lots of discrimination against Chinese people. Also a lot of people don't understand the culture and see some things as "cruel" i.e. sending a kid to become a tt player who has to train all day. I don't like the "tuning is bad because its illegal" bs either. The Chinese need to tune because it's hard to initially hard to get the ball moving, the rest need to tune because the power potential of their rubber is low. I'm waiting for tuning to finally come back too. I suppose others will have faster shots, but so will mine, but by a lot more. I think I tried to tell you not to get that tuner of ttnpp. I don't care how many people approve of most of their products; I'm still skeptical. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 8:04am
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I don't see how it's justified that the chinese "need" to tune or are more entitled to than other players in all honesty. The glue ban impacted euro players a lot more than it did the chinese.
------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 8:20am
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ttnpp sent us the booster for free. it really does seem to work on the h3's...but not sure what it exactly is...i guess i could get my gf to send it under an IR and see what it is...
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: ttc537dp
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 8:31am
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Voc free is meant to promote healthy sport, just to avoid player inhale the organic chemical and do harm to oneself. If this is the only rationale of ITTF, then there is always technology such as tenergy, factory tunned, ....that cause no harm to player and givee the power or speed required by the player.
In short, I support factory tuning as well as DIY tuning if this is not doing any harm to your body, just to avoid the dearest tenergy product. I used to tune the engine of my cheap car, just because it is not a Ferrari or Porsche, and I enjoy the process more than the result. However, one may not able to imagine that this may be illegal in some countries and planet!  ------------- Sanwei T1091A, H3n+Target 729 L3, PeakPower + Sun |
Posted By: atin
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 8:34am
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I have a bottle of ttnpp booster (haifu oil substitute) and it really looks and smells the same as sunflower oil
Hope someone can confirm that someday. It also seems that the real haifu booster can be applied just moments before gluing, while ttnpp and rugular can not |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 10:03am
Not saying that the Chinese "need" to tune or are more entitled to more than other. The way I see it, everyone needs to tune. I will agree that euro players need tuning a lot more too, but the problem is that most fingers are pointed at the Chinese. The Chinese are the ones tuning; the Chinese are the ones using illegal rubbers; the Chinese are cheating. It's the Chinese fault. It's the mentality and attitude towards the Chinese that people have. It's freakin ridiculous! If a video was put up showing Boll with a bottle of tuner, I bet reactions would be different. I'm not even saying this because I dislike Boll either even though I respect him for his sportsmanship. But I am almost certain he tunes as much as any other player on the CNT. With no disrespect to Dan of TTDaily, I find the title of the video VERY MISLEADING. Nowhere in the video does it show WLQ tuning. A bottle of tuner is nowhere to be seen by him as jiggly as his sheet of rubber may look. Very sensationalistic. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 10:28am
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Back in Jan of 2009 Adham said this (from the ITTF website) The Chinese use VOC-free glue. But they also use the Haifu Oil which expands the sponge and stretches the rubber and gives the speed-glue effect. They claim that it is VOC free and poison-free. We are now analyzing it to see if it's true. If in fact we could have a very safe product that gives the speed-glue effect, then why now. This is just my opinion. However, at the moment even Haifu Oil is breaking our rules 2.4 and 2.4.7, but we can not detect it with our current equipment. However, we have become very strict with the 4mm thickness rule because this is an effect of the oils and boosters is that they expand the sponge. Two years and no update from the ITTF :( Also, What reason would there be to put two layers of Finezip on (you can see there is a layer of something on Wang LiQin's rubber before the Finezip goes on). However, if it was PO or some other booster, likely you would not see it... ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 12:29pm
"the pros are allowed to get away with it and us guys are not." what do you mean by that?? this stuff is VOC-free so it is not currently detectable by the devices the ittf uses. so, there's no "scientific" or "objective" way that the ittf or anyone else can determine whether someone has used a booster or not. looking at a grainy video and saying, "oh, so-and-so's rubber looks (or sounds) like it's (non-factory) tuned is just total BS, period. so, there is absolutely nothing preventing you or anyone else here from using haifu oil or any other VOC-free booster, as long as your rubber doesn't expand beyond the legal height. and that's really the trick--getting good enough at it to the point where you can consistently do it without overexpanding the rubber. as for that bottle you see on ma lin's table, alexli sells that here at the MYTT store. the question that i have asked repeatedly which no one here, including prez sharara, seems willing to answer is, what sense does it make to make a rule that is TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE???? |
Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 12:33pm
Yeah your totally right :) So in theory we can use it just dont reach over 4mm :D
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Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 12:38pm
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hahahahaha!! yeah, that's the trick, buddy, er, mate, as you guys say over there across the pond!! happy boosting!! p.s. i'm putting in my order to alexli for some of that magic HAIFU OIL just as we speak... |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 1:35pm
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not to pick on a tech, but alex li doesnt sell haifu oil at all.
he sells haifu speedglue. Just the fyi.
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 1:59pm
| I just checked taobao, one bottle of haifu oil for the low low price of 1200 yuan (182$) |
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 2:48pm
oh, that yellow bottle on the ma lin's table in the vid above (which alexli sells), that's not haifu oil?? that's haifu speedglue?? if that's the case, then there's nothing illegal about that at all!! so what is everybody here complaining about?? nothing!! as per usual--a big fat nothing-burger!! i was wondering, cuz when you look at the bottle, under the chinese, it says in english, "adhesive." gosh darnit, i thought i was ordering the highly venerated, magical HAIFU OIL, instead i just got some plain ol' VOC-free speedglue...  |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 2:54pm
It's pretty different with Tear Mender. You can't wait for it to dry completely or it won't stick. Usually just a few minutes until it's clear. And I can't play with it right away or it feels mushy. I've used it mainly on Japanese rubbers though so maybe it's different for a harder, denser Chinese sponge.
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 4:43pm
When I first saw the bottle, I thought for sure it was the speed glue. It doesn't look like Haifu oil, as that is dark brown, but this looked like the regular glue color.
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 6:46pm
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Any idea what this is? 10 layers? http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8497123703 here's the google translate: White base, dark brown to jet up! How to use: glue evenly wipe the sponge on the end has to lay and racket, Air dry, about 12-24 hours depending on the environment Recommendation: New foam backing not less than 10 times, each time with a hot air dryer to speed the second time before they can hit low Drying time is about 10 minutes Characteristics: flexibility, speed, persistence up to 7 days Use: hard and soft sponge sponge ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: rdrivr
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 6:50pm
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what was the original intent of the ban,health of the player,the envirment?
or just to slow down the game without saying so...
then its, you must use rubbers as the factory provides and approved
what does that have to do with health or the envirment
whats the real intent of this rule
im confuesed
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 8:08pm
Health concerns was much of what started it. I believe back in 2001 someone in Japan passed out fromt he fumes, and so health concern was a risk. But then Shahara and the ITTF thought that slowing down the game would lead to longer, more interesting rallies, and thus more viewership to the sport. Then of course the conspiracy theory that the ITTF wanted to stop the Chinese' stranglehold on the sport, since a slower speed could let other players at least gain more opportunity in points since the Chinese couldn't use their unmatched speed to dominate. Even Cai Zhenhua said that total Chinese dominance was no good for the sport.
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 9:59pm
Alexili used to sell Haifu Oil, but that was TWO years ago when it was still available. The similar looking bottle you think is Haifu Oil is speed glue. Nothing is stopping us from tuning? There's a huge barrier stopping us from tuning - supply. There is no effective tuner available to the general public. Haifu Oil is discontinued with next to no supply, a different secret tuner which almost no one can get their hands on, and some other tuners which are also discontinued. These household substitutes like PO, baby oil, etc are no where near as effective as these hard to get tuners. I can tell you this, the CNT has a huge supply of Haifu Oil and other tuners because when they were still available, they bought HUGE amounts of it. I've even heard that Haifu still produces tuner from their factory but only to the CNT. Nothing stopping us? Don't be silly. Even though I have ways to get my hands on good tuner, I'm limited to a very small supply. My tuning applications are for long lasting effect instead of pure performance. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: malong1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 11:04pm
But what about this booster, this is not effective? http://www.falco-shop.com/tempo-booster-150ml-p-123.html - http://www.falco-shop.com/tempo-booster-150ml-p-123.html Pics and instructions for use: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/falco_tempo_booster.htm - http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/falco_tempo_booster.htm |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 11:11pm
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falco is not bad. i still like tibhar booster better. it was some real juicy stuff. made all my rubbers go crazy!
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: malong1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 11:18pm
Why do you say "it was", they still make it, so don't you still use it? |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 11:42pm
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nah. i don't use tibhar booster anymore. i'm currently testing out the booster sent to me by ttnpp. so far it seems to be working. at least in speed and bounce. the spin has stayed the same (crazy spin =)
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: malong1
Date Posted: 03/13/2011 at 11:47pm
That would be this?: http://%20ttnpp.com/shop/table-tennis-rubber-booster-haifu-oil-substitute-20ml-p-394.html - http://ttnpp.com/shop/table-tennis-rubber-booster-haifu-oil-substitute-20ml-p-394.html If so, how big was the dome? How many coats did you use? And one more, what glue did you use? Sorry for all the questions... :p |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/14/2011 at 12:36am
From what I heard, it is not that effective on H3. I also doubt it works as well as Haifu Oil too. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/14/2011 at 1:56am
yep, that would be the one. i usually put about 3-4 coats. curls up medium amount. not into a cylinder. i've only tried it on h3 rubbers since i'm pretty much dead set on that now. ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: malong1
Date Posted: 03/14/2011 at 1:58am
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Last 2 questions I promise!(I hope!).. What glue do you use, and how long does the "speed glue" effect last? Thanks! |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/14/2011 at 3:19am
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oh sorry i forgot. i use joola x-glue and/or haifu water solubility bond. right now i'm using the haifu. but i used to use joola. i retune about every 3 weeks but i've never left the rubber alone to the point where it doesn't feel right anymore. so i'm not sure how long the soft feel will last... ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 12:29am
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Dang, you get 3 weeks effect out of that tuner? that's insane. It takes forever to soak in though, I wasn't expecting that.
my brand new H3 played alright... but I only got 2 coats on it. I would definitely like more pop
I'm also using the old provincial #20, not the NEO.
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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 12:48am
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my preference would be the old #20 over the neo. the neo feels a bit weird for some reason....either that or the topsheet was not as good as the regulars. you definitely need 3-4 coats. my oil soaks in after about an hour or so....i just lay it on until it starts to curl just a bit. then its ready to go. ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 1:58am
| Yes that is a bottle of tuning substance on Ma Lin's table, and yes that is a clear layer of tuning substance on WLQ's tenergy. The pros DO tune, it does not matter if they are from Asia, Europe, or Antarctica. Tuning is cheating, so why would a pro do it even though it is unethical and risky? Reason 1: they never get caught. Reason 2: they are going to push and bend the rules to their greatest extent possible in order to possess every edge possible. Are you one of the few that think that the honorable Timo Boll does not tune? Think about this: Would you rather see Timo retain his honor by not tuning, then lose to a top Chinese player by a slim margin as the top chinese player does tune. Or would you rather he cheat, and instead win by a slim margin, the playing field now being level. I prefer the latter, even if it was against the rules to tune, I am not such a biggot that I would judge Timo any differently based on whether he tuned or not. Let everyone play on the same grounds, and let the best player that day win. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 2:42am
That's the only way to 'awaken' the new H3 topsheets at all is to tune the crap out of the rubber at least once. The topsheet needs to stretch out before it's good grip is there. Once you soften the topsheet up the rubber is so much better. Even that one DIY H3 I bought, i would tune it and get the topsheet to where I wanted it, but the mushy Weird (weird is all I can think to say about it, too) sponge would just ruin the end result.
I got in a hurry because i wanted to play, and didn't expect the tuner to take so long to absorb. So I had to stop early in order to play. But I'm definitely happy to be back to the normal one. It feels so much better. I almost dropped it all and went back to good old BW2.
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Posted By: Asaomi
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 5:13pm
When you tuned the H3NEO, was it brand new with the glue-type-thing-layer on the sponge? Did you remove this before you applied the oil or did you just apply oil on top of the glue-type-layer-thingy? To me honest i think the "haifu oil substitue" sound like regular veggie oil by the posts ive read ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FH: DHS Hurricane 3 BH: Stiga Calibra Sound |
Posted By: Chopper88
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 5:25pm
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Ok you lost me, so do you put the oil on the top sheet also ? or just the sponge ?
Sorry kinda new at this tune thingy.
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Posted By: naijachief
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 5:40pm
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This is the biggest problem with table tennis. Too much confusion regarding what is legal or illegal equipment. Why does it seem like you have to be a science guru to figure out the proper glueing method of rubbers? I know the table tennis halls smell much better since the banning of speedglue but the accusations of cheating or what might be cheating by our top pro players is definitely a black eye on our sport. All this talk of "secret" boosters and stuff that is undetectable to the testing methods almost reminds me of the (steroids)balco scandal in baseball. There needs to be a better way........I'm sure someone will eventually figure it out.....hopefully in my lifetime. lol. ------------- who no know go know |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 7:44pm
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i tried both ways. putting on the glue layer and letting it soak in (no real big difference) and peeling off the glue layer and then adding the oil (much better). after i'm done with the oil, i put about 5 layers of haifu WSB and a hair dryer. ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 7:45pm
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@ chopper: the oil only goes on the sponge. never on the topsheet. it reacts all weird if you somehow spill some on the topsheet...
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 10:54pm
ask debraj about topsheet tuning. i think the trick is an even coat. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 10:58pm
| nice |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 03/15/2011 at 11:01pm
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i feel its better to remove the layer of glue then tune.. it got more feeling and feel less heavy when lefting the ball up
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Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 03/29/2011 at 12:30pm
| did anyone buy the haifu oil from taobao? if yes, which kind of payment did you use to pay? I have no idea which kind of payment to use... Thanks... |
Posted By: HowToPlayChineseLoop
Date Posted: 11/22/2012 at 7:06pm
do you think that Haifu wsb can be a alternative glue for the FineZip. The FineZip is hard to find and expensive. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53935" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |