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Topic: Zheng Jiaqi's Equipment
Posted By: wpowu
Subject: Zheng Jiaqi's Equipment
Date Posted: 09/12/2011 at 10:07pm

Does anybody know Zheng Jiaqi's equipment?  She is a penhold short pips player with RPB.

I want to know her blade,  short pips rubber (sponge thickness) and backside smooth rubber.
 
Thanks in advance.



Replies:
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 09/12/2011 at 11:41pm
Just poke her on facebook. She is a friendly person, so she will answer you.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/jiaqi.zheng - http://www.facebook.com/#!/jiaqi.zheng


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/12/2011 at 11:50pm
Innerforce ZLC cpen, Flarestorm II (at least she tested it out, and said she really liked it). BH not sure, probably one of the bryce speeds (i believe she used bryce before the glue ban).

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Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon
Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect
Yinhe Qing


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 7:06am
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Innerforce ZLC cpen, Flarestorm II (at least she tested it out, and said she really liked it). BH not sure, probably one of the bryce speeds (i believe she used bryce before the glue ban).


I think she uses the t5000-cs, green handle.


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 7:12am
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Innerforce ZLC cpen, Flarestorm II (at least she tested it out, and said she really liked it). BH not sure, probably one of the bryce speeds (i believe she used bryce before the glue ban).


I think she uses the t5000-cs, green handle.


yeah its that one exactly


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 9:08am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I saw her playing an Amultart in Portland a couple years ago.


5000cs as of 2 months ago, forgot the rubber Angry


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 9:32am
it makes sense, the t5k is such a great blade for SP

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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 11:38am
oh pretty sure it was spectol 21 but i forget, def 05 on bh side


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 11:46am
I met her a few years ago and she gave me her pips rubber from her blade, it was Butterfly black 2.1 Speedy PO.

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Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)

林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

I met her a few years ago and she gave me her pips rubber from her blade, it was Butterfly black 2.1 Speedy PO.


read above Wink


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

I met her a few years ago and she gave me her pips rubber from her blade, it was Butterfly black 2.1 Speedy PO.


read above Wink
 
Don't understand, read what ??  she gave me the rubber from her blade, the above post are all speculations even though it was a few years back.


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Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)

林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

I met her a few years ago and she gave me her pips rubber from her blade, it was Butterfly black 2.1 Speedy PO.


read above Wink
 
Don't understand, read what ??  she gave me the rubber from her blade, the above post are all speculations even though it was a few years back.


im not speculating about blade and bh rubber, i just forget FH rubber.

i think the op wanted to know the most original so that's why i said read above Sleepy


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 3:05pm
At the time I met her she was using Bryce & Speedy PO. She serves with the Bryce and receives with the Speedy PO.
I don't know what she uses currently.


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Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)

林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil


Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 09/13/2011 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

At the time I met her she was using Bryce & Speedy PO. She serves with the Bryce and receives with the Speedy PO.
I don't know what she uses currently.


She used Speedy PO for a long time, same as David Zhuang.  I know David switched to Flarestorm after the VOC glue ban, and I heard she did the same (at least in the beginning).


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 8:21pm
 
Thanks for all the above posts.
 
Yes, I know David Zhuang used Speed P.O. for a long time, but I don't know he switched to Flarestorm.
 
I feel Flarestorm and Speed. P.O. are very similar,  except Flarestore is a little bit faster.  
 
I heard that Zheng Jiaqi also switched to Flarestorm, or Flarestorm 2.
 
My key question:  what's the sponge thickness?  2.1mm or 1.9mm?
 
I used Speed P.O. (1.9mm) in 2008 & 2009, switched to TSP Spinpips (2.0mm) in 2010 until recently when I tried Flarestorm (1.9mm),  an used rubber traded from a club friend.  I like the touch of Flarestorm (my blade is LKT Will Power Penhold, aralyte carbon), but feel the sponge a bit thinner.
I am wondering if I should buy a brand new Flarestorm 2.1 mm.  The rubber is quite expensive.


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 8:46pm
In one video she showed off her blade and rubber she was testing (flarestorm II and innerforce ZLC). That is where I got my info. wpowu, did you use old spinpips or new ones?

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Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon
Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect
Yinhe Qing


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 10:09pm
lixiao that was really old, reference the pm i sent you yesterday


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 10:59pm
go watch her US open match from this year, her blade is definitely t5000-cs

@wpowu - attacking style SP players all use max once they hit that level. Impossible to play at a fast enough pace to beat 2500 players w/ less than max sponge.


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 11:13pm
yah she was still using it after us open too we established that dalam :P


Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 12:44am
Where does Jiaqi Zheng coach now? 


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 6:25pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-5qRp5HI4 -
Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)

林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In one video she showed off her blade and rubber she was testing (flarestorm II and innerforce ZLC). That is where I got my info. wpowu, did you use old spinpips or new ones?
 
To: xiaoli
 
I don't know whether my Spinpips is new or old.  I bought both Spinpips (2.0mm) and Spinpips 21 (2.0mm) in early 2010.  I tried both, and then decided to use the regular Spinpips, the sponge of which is bit harder than Spinpips 21.  Nowadays, when most opponents are loop players,  sp sponge needs to be harder than before.  I think the range between  36 and 38 degress is suitble.  
 
I also have a Spinpips  of 2.2 mm sponge,  which I played only once and feel the sponge is too thick. With that thickness,  I simply lost the touch or hand  feeling.
 
By the way, I am an old guy.  I was in a provincial professional TT team in China for a short time, back in the early 1970s。 At that time, when the ball was still 38 mm, most players used sp, and the  sponge thickness was between 1.6 mm and 1.8mm.   I know TT is  now a different game and playing style
 
I personally prefer a sponge thickness between 1.8 mm and 2.0 mm.  In fact,  Speed P.O. now only has 1.9 mm sponge. 


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In one video she showed off her blade and rubber she was testing (flarestorm II and innerforce ZLC). That is where I got my info. wpowu, did you use old spinpips or new ones?
 
To: xiaoli
 
I don't know whether my Spinpips is new or old.  I bought both Spinpips (2.0mm) and Spinpips 21 (2.0mm) in early 2010.  I tried both, and then decided to use the regular Spinpips, the sponge of which is bit harder than Spinpips 21.  Nowadays, when most opponents are loop players,  sp sponge needs to be harder than before.  I think the range between  36 and 38 degress is suitble.  
 
I also have a Spinpips  of 2.2 mm sponge,  which I played only once and feel the sponge is too thick. With that thickness,  I simply lost the touch or hand  feeling.
 
By the way, I am an old guy.  I was in a provincial professional TT team in China for a short time, back in the early 1970s。 At that time, when the ball was still 38 mm, most players used sp, and the  sponge thickness was between 1.6 mm and 1.8mm.   I know TT is  now a different game and playing style
 
I personally prefer a sponge thickness between 1.8 mm and 2.0 mm.  In fact,  Speed P.O. now only has 1.9 mm sponge. 

That is very interesting. The difference between Spinpips and SUPER spinpips is pretty big (in terms of both physical characteristics and playing characteristics). Now you can really only find the old kind in China, some places you can still find Spinpips MD (came out right after original spin pips was banned). 


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Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon
Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect
Yinhe Qing


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 9:33pm

I am sorry, the rubbers  I bought in 2010 and  am still using are Super Spinpips (1.9mm--2.1mm),  and Super Spinpips 21 (1.9--2.1mm) .   I forgot to put "super," and by medium number,  I usually say "2.0mm."

I didn't play TT for 25 years, and picked up the game again  in early 2007, when MD Spinpips was already banned.  I heard that Liu Guoliang once used MD Spinpips.

By the way,  I bought all my Super Spinpips rubbers and one Spectol 21 (2.15mm) from this WEBSITE-- My Table Tennis.

I am crazy about short pips rubbers, and tried a lot, by purchase or trade.  This is my hobby, an old TT fan's  fun.


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:


I am sorry, the rubbers  I bought in 2010 and  am still using are Super Spinpips (1.9mm--2.1mm),  and Super Spinpips 21 (1.9--2.1mm) .   I forgot to put "super," and by medium number,  I usually say "2.0mm."

I didn't play TT for 25 years, and picked up the game again  in early 2007, when MD Spinpips was already banned.  I heard that Liu Guoliang once used MD Spinpips.

By the way,  I bought all my Super Spinpips rubbers and one Spectol 21 (2.15mm) from this WEBSITE-- My Table Tennis.

I am crazy about short pips rubbers, and tried a lot, by purchase or trade.  This is my hobby, an old TT fan's  fun.

wpowu, I think you would like the original spinpips and spinpips MD even more. I think most players (at least professionals) share your sentiments about sponge thickness for pips. Not to get too off topic. Jiaqi Zheng is very good, and took down Jiang Huajun earlier this year (or maybe it was last year) when in China. 


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Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon
Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect
Yinhe Qing


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/15/2011 at 11:48pm
Go back to the topic,  nobody has answered my question: what's the sponge thickness of Zheng Jiaqi's flarestorm?
 
Another question: how is Innerforce ZLC compared to Taksim and  T5000 CS?
 
All  these are carbon blades,  right?


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/16/2011 at 9:50am
MAX MAX MAX. U don't have enough pace to beat 2500 players if u don't use max.

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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 09/17/2011 at 1:02am
For a hitting style surely the blade is more important than sponge thickness? Just curious, Dalamchops where are you getting your info from?


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Nittaku Acoustic FL    T05    Acuda S2 2.0mm


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/17/2011 at 8:35am
Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

For a hitting style surely the blade is more important than sponge thickness? Just curious, Dalamchops where are you getting your info from?


I've been coached by both Yang Shigang and Kim Bong Geun, 2 of the best SP penhold players in the country. They both use insanely fast blades and rubbers.


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/17/2011 at 10:00am
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

For a hitting style surely the blade is more important than sponge thickness? Just curious, Dalamchops where are you getting your info from?


I've been coached by both Yang Shigang and Kim Bong Geun, 2 of the best SP penhold players in the country. They both use insanely fast blades and rubbers.

what blades and rubbers?


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/17/2011 at 10:17am
Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

For a hitting style surely the blade is more important than sponge thickness? Just curious, Dalamchops where are you getting your info from?


I've been coached by both Yang Shigang and Kim Bong Geun, 2 of the best SP penhold players in the country. They both use insanely fast blades and rubbers.

what blades and rubbers?


When Kim was still in ATL (he's in LA now) he used Spectol Glued (before ban) and Moristo SP after, used a customized cpen w/ jpen cork by Donic. Before he left i gave him my TB ZLC-CS, and he used that.

Shigang used a spintech blade (was sponsored) and rubber when i trained w/ him. It was an 802-40 rebrand. That was when he was still experimenting so i have no idea what he's using now.


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/17/2011 at 12:23pm

To: dalamchops

Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 1:38am
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: dalamchops

Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?

the question is what are using the players that used to play with 802? I m thinking of dolphin,flarestorm,moristo sp


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 9:11am
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: dalamchops

Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?


Never tried Taksim, Butterfly never releases good PH blades in the US (besides PC), everything else is all in China. I usually have someone that special orders all my CPENS in HK (Photino, T5000, ZLC)


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 11:51am
 
TO Calvin:
 
--What blade are you now using?
 
--You mean if I want to get a Taksim, I should look for it in HK or China.  But I heard there are a lot of fake Taksim blades in China. 
 
 
 


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 12:18pm

To: bbkon

I live in New Jersey, USA, close to New York.  There are quite a few previous Chinese professional short pips players in this area.   I know all of them.

--Li Yuxiang used 802-40, on a Donic carbon blade with a wood veneer added to the backside by himself.

--David Zhuang used Speed P.O. (1.9mm), on a Iilote carbon blade,  for several years.  I just heard that he switched to Flarestorm after the speed glue ban.  

--About one year ago,  I saw Lily Yip used Stiga Clippa (2.0mm), on a very worn-out Stiga Alluminum blade.  I don't know whether she is still using this equipment.

--A young female short pips player Liu Naihui (formerly in Chinese National Team) is now in the same club I am with.  She uses TSP Tyranno (2.2 mm), on an  old China-made all-wood blade (Model 032, polular in the 1970s and 1980s). She recently won US Open Woman Singles Champion, beating Zheng Jiaqi 4-2 in the final.  You can find their match on You Tube.  Liu  has a unique two-wing attacking style (the traditional style known as the "Zhuang Zedong style").  Her backhand attacking skills are amazing.  (not RPB).
 
--I heard He Zhiwen is still using 802, on an all-wood Chinese blade  (Model 032 OR 08).
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

 
TO Calvin:
 
--What blade are you now using?
 
--You mean if I want to get a Taksim, I should look for it in HK or China.  But I heard there are a lot of fake Taksim blades in China. 
 
 
 


There is a penhold equivalent to almost every butterfly shakehand blades available in China. They are not released anywhere else in the world (not even Japan). It's specifically for the Chinese market.


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Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen
Andro Hexer Pips 2.1
Donic Acuda S2 Max


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: bbkon

I live in New Jersey, USA, close to New York.  There are quite a few previous Chinese professional short pips players in this area.   I know all of them.

--Li Yuxiang used 802-40, on a Donic carbon blade with a wood veneer added to the backside by himself.

--David Zhuang used Speed P.O. (1.9mm), on a Iilote carbon blade,  for several years.  I just heard that he switched to Flarestorm after the speed glue ban.  

--About one year ago,  I saw Lily Yip used Stiga Clippa (2.0mm), on a very worn-out Stiga Alluminum blade.  I don't know whether she is still using this equipment.

--A young female short pips player Liu Naihui (formerly in Chinese National Team) is now in the same club I am with.  She uses TSP Tyranno (2.2 mm), on an  old China-made all-wood blade (Model 032, polular in the 1970s and 1980s). She recently won US Open Woman Singles Champion, beating Zheng Jiaqi 4-2 in the final.  You can find their match on You Tube.  Liu  has a unique two-wing attacking style (the traditional style known as the "Zhuang Zedong style").  Her backhand attacking skills are amazing.  (not RPB).
 
--I heard He Zhiwen is still using 802, on an all-wood Chinese blade  (Model 032 OR 08).
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 


nice info but i heard that many ex 802 players are using dolphin now but i  need some some proof of hiher ranked played not coaches but again apreciate your help, what do you know about pips information in chinese forums?  the pips used by top juniors must be known in that sites


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/18/2011 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: dalamchops

Moristo SP is a good rubber.  David Zhuang recommended it to me several years ago and his student was using it.  I tried it and like the good control. For Nittaku sp rubbers,  Hammond FA is faster than Moristo SP.   However, the top sheet of Hammond FA is less gripped (a bit slippery), just like Spectol, because the top sheet is less vulcanized.  In Chinese TT circles, these kind of sp rubbers are branded as semi-authentic  and semi-raw short pips rubbers.

I guess the Spintech blade Yang Shigang used  is Carrera , very simlar to Primorac Carbon in structure (3-ply wood, 2 carbon layers, Hinoki surface veneer) and touch.  Just a little bit stiffer than Primorac Carbon.   I have a Carrera blade, cut to a penhold handle from a shakehand handle, which was given to me as a farewell gift from a TT friend who returned to China two years ago.  He was Sara Fu's coach  years ago, back in Sichuan, China.
 
Calvin: Have you ever used Taksim?  If yes, how do you compare it to TB ZLS-CS?  I am looking for an  old-designed Taksim.
 
By the way,  have you received the Primorac carbon blade I sent to you?

is david zhuang student also a penholder?  which nittaku rubber works (cork) like a glued rubber? how are they compared to flasrestorm and dolphin?


Posted By: wpowu
Date Posted: 09/19/2011 at 9:28pm
To: bbkon
 
That David Zhuang's student I mentioned was a teenage boy, about 14 or 15 years old  at that time.  He is a shakehand player,  with short pips (Moristo SP) in forehand, and inverted rubber ( I don't remember) in backhand.  Zhuang's another student, also a teenager and a penholder player, used Speed P.O. on a Mazunov blade,  cut to the penhold handle from the original  shakehand handle.  Mazunov  is an  all-wood Butterfly blade, with a hard, but not very stiff touch, about 6.8 mm in thickness.  I didn't see the two boys playing in the past one and half year or so.
 
Nittaku sponges are good, for both sp and inverted rubbers.  For sp rubbers, however, the top sheet of Hammon FA is a little bit slippery,  which I don't like.  Hammon FA is very silimar to TSP Spectol, in both sponge touch and top sheet slippery feeling (the so-called "raw pips" in Chinese TT terminology) .  I tried Moristo SP for a short time, and the sponge is a little bit softer than Hammond FA, but the top sheet is better than Hammond FA.
 
For TSP sp rubbers,  I tried Spectol, Spectol 21, Super Spin Pips, and Super Spin Pips 21.  I  like Super Spin Pips (2.0mm) most.   I have not tried Tyranno, which is described as the fastest sp rubber.
 
For Butterfly sp rubbers,  I tried Speed P. O.  Speed P.O. Soft, and Flarestorm.   I llike Flarestorm (1.9) most,  I am now using it, but I am thinking of changing it to 2.1 mm.
 
I also tried Stiga Cliippa and Joola Ultra Tango.   I like none of  them.  In my personal opinion, Joola Ultra Tango is the worst short pips rubber,  too soft and bouncing.  No hitting touch at all.
 
When I picked up the game again in early 2007 after my  25-year absence in the court,  I used Chinese sp rubber  802 for awhile.  Frankly speaking, this is  an authentic or orthodox short pips rubber in the true  sense.   The top sheet is well vulcanized, not slippery at all.  Good control and hitting.  The sponge (Frienship "reactor" sponge) is  OK,  with 35 degrees in hardness/softness.  However, compared to Butterfly, TSP  and Nittaku sponges, the Chinese sponge is still inferior in quality.  With less tension and flexibility, it lacks the power and speed. 
 
I heard Donic Baxter F1-A (2.0mm, only one thickness) has been very popular in China in recent years.  Chinese TT fans  label it " King of Short Pips Rubber."   I have not tried it, but someone told me it's very similar to Spectol and Hammond FA, the same old story: good sponge yet slippery top sheet.
 
I have not tried Haifu/Dolphin, but  I have doubts over the quality of Chinese sponges.
 
The selection of blade and/or rubber is very subjective .  Your personal hand feeling or touch determines your taste and final selection.
 
I like trying and testing different combinations of short pips rubbers and blades.  This is my hobby, sort of addiction.


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/20/2011 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

To: bbkon
 
That David Zhuang's student I mentioned was a teenage boy, about 14 or 15 years old  at that time.  He is a shakehand player,  with short pips (Moristo SP) in forehand, and inverted rubber ( I don't remember) in backhand.  Zhuang's another student, also a teenager and a penholder player, used Speed P.O. on a Mazunov blade,  cutting to the penhold handle from the original  shakehand handle.  Mazunov  is an  all-wood Butterfly blade, with a hard, but not very stiff touch, about 6.8 mm in thickness.  I didn't see the two boys playing in the past one and half year or so.
 
Nittaku sponges are good, for both sp and inverted rubbers.  For sp rubbers, however, the top sheet of Hammon FA is a little bit slippery,  which I don't like.  Hammon FA is very silimar to TSP Spectol, in both sponge touch and top sheet slippery feeling (the so-called "raw pips" in Chinese TT terminology) .  I tried Moristo SP for a short time, and the sponge is a little bit softer than Hammond FA, but the top sheet is better than Hammond FA.
 
For TSP sp rubbers,  I tried Spectol, Spectol 21, Super Spin Pips, and Super Spin Pips 21.  I  like Super Spin Pips (2.0mm) most.   I have not tried Tyranno, which is described as the fastest sp rubber.
 
For Butterfly sp rubbers,  I tried Speed P. O.  Speed P.O. Soft, and Flarestorm.   I llike Flarestorm (1.9) most,  I am now using it, but I am thinking of changing it to 2.1 mm.
 
I also tried Stiga Cliippa and Joola Ultra Tango.   I like none of  them.  In my personal opinion, Joola Ultra Tango is the worst short pips rubber,  too soft and bouncing.  No hitting touch at all.
 
When I picked up the game again in early 2007 after my  25-year absence in the court,  I used Chinese sp rubber  802 for awhile.  Frankly speaking, this is  an authentic or orthodox short pips rubber in the true  sense.   The top sheet is well vulcanized, not slippery at all.  Good control and hitting.  The sponge (Frienship "reactor" sponge) is  OK,  with 35 degrees in hardness/softness.  However, compared to Butterfly, TSP  and Nittaku sponges, the Chinese sponge is still inferior in quality.  With less tension and flexibility, it lacks the power and speed. 
 
I heard Donic Baxter F1-A (2.0mm, only one thickness) has been very popular in China in recent years.  Chinese TT fans  label it " King of Short Pips Rubber."   I have not tried it, but someone told me it's very similar to Spectol and Hammond FA, the same old story: good sponge yet slippery top sheet.
 
I have not tried Haifu/Dolphin, but  I have doubts over the quality of Chinese sponges.
 
The selection of blade and/or rubber is very subjective .  Your personal hand feeling or touch determines your taste and final selection.
 
I like trying and testing different combinations of short pips rubbers and blades.  This is my hobby, sort of addiction.

nice post!!!  do you know  what is the fav pips for penholder in chinese forums and  wonder if there is new cpen hitters in china and what they use? I played with tyranno but the pips started to fall


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/12/2011 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by wpowu wpowu wrote:

Does anybody know Zheng Jiaqi's equipment?  She is a penhold short pips player with RPB.


I want to know her blade,  short pips rubber (sponge thickness) and backside smooth rubber.

 

Thanks in advance.


I talked to Jiaqi last nite, she uses Bty T5000 CPen and Haifu rubbers (red sponge). Same as Li Jiawei.

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Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 10/12/2011 at 12:39pm
That's Haifu Dolphin and Haifu Shark II if it's the same as Li Jaiwei, although Li Jaiwei wasn't using the red sponge versions as of a few months ago


Posted By: turtle168
Date Posted: 10/12/2011 at 12:53pm
Are you sure Liu Naihui uses 032?  Isn't she using CL as shown from these pictures?
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20200/Liu_blade1.jpg - uploads/20200/Liu_blade1.jpg
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20200/Liu_blade2.jpg - uploads/20200/Liu_blade2.jpg


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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/10/2013 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by turtle168 turtle168 wrote:

Are you sure Liu Naihui uses 032?  Isn't she using CL as shown from these pictures?
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20200/Liu_blade1.jpg - uploads/20200/Liu_blade1.jpg
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20200/Liu_blade2.jpg - uploads/20200/Liu_blade2.jpg

where are those pictures from? 


Posted By: turtle168
Date Posted: 05/01/2013 at 12:10am
Screen captures from her interview video taken in Lily Yip TTC.

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Posted By: turtle168
Date Posted: 05/01/2013 at 12:12am
Originally posted by turtle168 turtle168 wrote:

Screen captures from her interview video taken in Lily Yip TTC.

It seems that this is her practice blade.  She uses 032 for games.


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Posted By: Zach Moy
Date Posted: 05/01/2013 at 8:18am
Jiaqi uses bty tb t-5000, short pips are express ultra and rpb rubber is tenergy 05fx. From the sound it sounds like max on fh and 2.1 on bh. This is the most recent equip that was used last month at the rockford college championship in IL.

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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 05/01/2013 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by Zach Moy Zach Moy wrote:

Jiaqi uses bty tb t-5000, short pips are express ultra and rpb rubber is tenergy 05fx. From the sound it sounds like max on fh and 2.1 on bh. This is the most recent equip that was used last month at the rockford college championship in IL.

sounds odd for me she s playing with express


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 01/24/2015 at 2:42pm
I see it's a year and a half later now.

Any update on Zheng Jiaqi's equipment? I started penhold recently and I'm very interested to know opinions on using Tenergy 05 FX for RPB, as Zheng Jiaqi apparently does.

As for FH, I already ordered JOOLA Ultra Tango before I saw the negative comments about it in this thread. But I guess I'll give it a go anyway. 


Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 10:31am
try the joola express ultra, it has a firmer sponge...


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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by FlatHitter FlatHitter wrote:

try the joola express ultra, it has a firmer sponge...

EU is not so good it can work if your level is not high and incoming loops are not spinny, too mild to be dangerous and the tuning efect fades away quick,any chinese pips is better


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/05/2015 at 11:06pm
Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)




Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/06/2015 at 12:33am
Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)



whata about the ULC blade? impresions please


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/06/2015 at 2:11pm
I wanted to try short pips on a few fast, stiff, hard blades to emulate Zheng's style.  Also, I wanted a light blade at max weight of 85g. I only tried each one for a couple of weeks, but the BTY Chinese Tamca ULC gave be the best results. It is indeed fast, stiff, and hard, as advertised. The control has been decent. Below are the other c-pen rackets I tried in this category. They're all good and I will probably try out the Xiom and Andro more, but the BTY ULC performed the best.
Xiom Stradivarius
Andro Temper Tech OFF+
Yinhe/Galaxy T-11+

As mentioned, I'm curious which Stiga blade Zheng has switched to. 



Posted By: thatguy
Date Posted: 04/06/2015 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

I wanted to try short pips on a few fast, stiff, hard blades to emulate Zheng's style.  Also, I wanted a light blade at max weight of 85g. I only tried each one for a couple of weeks, but the BTY Chinese Tamca ULC gave be the best results. It is indeed fast, stiff, and hard, as advertised. The control has been decent. Below<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> are the other c-pen rackets I tried in this category. They're all good and I will probably try out the Xiom and Andro more, but the BTY ULC performed the best.</span>
Xiom Stradivarius
Andro Temper Tech OFF+
Yinhe/Galaxy T-11+

As mentioned, I'm curious which Stiga blade Zheng has switched to. 




Clipper wood


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/06/2015 at 4:51pm
thanks thatguy- 

When you say "Clipper Wood", is that the "Clipper (Classic)", the "Clipper WRB", or the "Clipper CR WRB"? 

Any idea which Stiga short pips Zheng uses?

That's interesting she changed from the Tamca 5000 blade to all wood.


Posted By: thatguy
Date Posted: 04/06/2015 at 6:59pm
...waiting for her reply, i thought she was using Clipper CC with tenergy but she must have been going thru testing equipment phase?  :p


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/07/2015 at 7:04pm
I got impatient and couldn't wait to hear which Stiga Clipper blade and Stiga SP Zheng uses. I went ahead and ordered a Clipper Classic w/ Stiga Clippa SP and T05-FX on RPB. 

If anyone confirms her current setup please post.


Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 04/07/2015 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by interact215 interact215 wrote:

Nice to see Zheng recently made the U.S. Pan Am Team.

The Team USA site says she's given up her Butterfly Timo Boll T5000 and JOOLA UE SP for a Stiga racket and Stiga SP.  I guess this was due to a Stiga sponsorship deal.  She still uses T05 FX on her reverse penhold backhand.

Anyone know which Stiga racket and SP she's using? I'm guessing the SP may be Radical or Clippa.

For nearly a month I've been using JUE and T05 FX on my Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I'm learning to handle the JUE, but I'm curious about a few other SPs including BTY Challenger Attack, Radical and Clippa. I'm ready to try whatever setup Zheng is using, including the Stiga Racket :)



whata about the ULC blade? impresions please

I owned and played with the Chinese ULC blade a few years ago before I switched to TB T5000.  The blade has a hinoki outer ply if I remember correctly.  Slim cpen handle good for wrist rotation.  The speed is there for a carbon blade, but I think the power could have been improved if the weight was a bit higher.  I didn't have a scale back then, but I believe it was in the mid-80s.  A great blade overall, but if one seeks for more power/speed, I'd suggest changing it to TB T5000 or even a Rosewood 7 cpen.


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Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/18/2015 at 10:32pm
Following Jiaqi Zheng's example, I just tried switching from my Butterfly Tamca ULC to the Stiga Clipper Wood. I had got the ULC since I couldn't find a TB T5000 with c-pen. 

After one outing I can see big differences in the feel and rebound of the Clipper Wood vs. the ULC, as would be expected. Granted, the FH rubbers are different - JOOLA Express Ultra and Stiga Clippa, respectively. So as mentioned earlier, I'm intrigued that Zheng made a switch from the TB T5000 to the Clipper Wood since they appear to be very different blades. 


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/19/2015 at 12:55am
How do you compare both blades? Was the clipper better than t5000?


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 04/19/2015 at 8:58am
I could have sworn I saw her using an EB7 in one of the most recent vids. 


Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/19/2015 at 12:20pm
Zheng uses the EB7, not the Clipper Wood? On paper a switch from T5000 to EB7 makes more sense in terms of the specs. I hope I wasn't too hasty running out buying the Clipper based on an earlier post, although I know it's great racket too.

Can anyone give us the definitive info- Clipper or EB7 for Zheng?

As for a comparison between BTY Tamca ULC and TB T5000- I've never used the T5000. I bought the ULC (used for 50% off) because I though it was very close to the specs of T5000.


Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/19/2015 at 10:05pm
eb7 is awesome for hitting and blocking. i don't use it but i know ppl who play that style and like larger stiga handles who say it's the best for their game

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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/19/2015 at 11:41pm
I thought rosewood 7 was better for hitting



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