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Topic: Why is the Maze blade so unpopular,
Posted By: SmackDAT
Subject: Why is the Maze blade so unpopular,
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 4:52pm
I think this might be due to the outer ply, and why it might not suit some rubbers. I'm just wondering why it's so unpopular, from the pros to the players in my club. Most of the top 10 pros are using blades with Koto outer plies, except for Ma Lin, correct me if I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the Maze blade has been forgotten over the similar blade Timo Boll Spirit?

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Found this on a forum.

"maze is an excellent blade, bad not suitable for all kinds of rubbers including chinese rubbers. imho best setup for maze blade is tenergy 05. whereas with Timo Boll Spirit, i found that it plays well with DHS Hurricane 3 Neo and Skyline 3 Neo rubbers."

Reply:"maybe its a matter of preference, i also play with MMaze but i like it with chinese rubbers, i use H3 neo on FH and T05 on my BH."

What do you think?


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Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B)
Tenergy 19 (2.1, R)
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Replies:
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 5:44pm
i quite agree that the MMaze plays very well with t05 in FH. imo this is one of my preferences about playing with the MM. the other is the short game.
on the other side i like the bh flick more with either viscaria or tbs.
 
about chinese like rubbers i prefer the viscaria with them. I play with gpses. But i think either one MM, tbs, viscaria is also playable. just that imo is true that the MM feels particularly well with t05.
 
i think the selection factor plays also a role. in MM i like the stiffer ones and in tbs the powerful and not so thin ones. if getting one out of this parameters everything changes. 
 

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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 5:51pm
this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 6:52pm
Because Maze isn't the star that Timo is.

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Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL
FH: D09C max
BH: D09C max


Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 8:45pm
Probably all other blades are unpopular compared to the Boll series. According to ttdb Maze ALC is being used by more players than Korbel, Primorac. Overall ratings are pretty high...blade average rating is 9.3/10 from 31 reviews there.. One of our clubs best players is using Maze ALC With 05 FX both wings.

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Stratus Powerwood
FH T05
BH T25


Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 02/25/2012 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

I think this might be due to the outer ply, and why it might not suit some rubbers. I'm just wondering why it's so unpopular, from the pros to the players in my club. Most of the top 10 pros are using blades with Koto outer plies, except for Ma Lin, correct me if I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the Maze blade has been forgotten over the similar blade Timo Boll Spirit?

__

Found this on a forum.

"maze is an excellent blade, bad not suitable for all kinds of rubbers including chinese rubbers. imho best setup for maze blade is tenergy 05. whereas with Timo Boll Spirit, i found that it plays well with DHS Hurricane 3 Neo and Skyline 3 Neo rubbers."

Reply:"maybe its a matter of preference, i also play with MMaze but i like it with chinese rubbers, i use H3 neo on FH and T05 on my BH."

What do you think?

i tried asking other club members why they prefer TBS and ALC over MMaze, many of them said that MMaze has too much unnecessary control and not enough power, id say it has enough power and excellent control, but then again those club members are much higher rated players than me 

and maybe because timo boll is more popular than MMaze thats why TB series blades are popular butterfly products, but i play with MMaze blade for over a year now and i plan to stick with it BTW i also own a TBS but i like the softer more controlled feel of mmaze


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Viscaria

FH: Tenergy 05 black

BH: Tenergy 05 red





Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 1:26am
The Maze may be unpopular with pro's but I think it is a popular blade for many club and tournament players here in the US. For it being a BTY blade the FL handle feels excedingly good. As for lacking power....I scratch my head wondering on that one.

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Wood Paddle
Red side
Black side.




Posted By: Dorje
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 1:32pm

I think it's because Michael Maze blade has limba surface i.e. outer layers. Limba outer blades are generaly suitable for players who prefers to hold the ball bit longer in his own grip, and prefers to generate power shots by themself. Not many of top players I can think of play with limba surface blades. If my memory serves me well it's: Jun Mizutani, Vladimir Samsonov, Petr Korbel (correct me if I am wrong or know some top players who play with limba outer blade). Michael Maze interestingly switched to Timo Boll Spirit blade wich has harder and more dense koto outer layer.

I could not believe how different it felt compared to koto outer layered Timo Boll Spirit blade. I think that Michael Maze blade has longer dwell time and a bit softer feeling. I found TBS blade better at blocking and looping and Maze blade better for flipping and smashing.

 



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Timo Boll Spirit An

Fh: Joola Rhyzm Max red

Bh: Tibhar Aurus Max black


Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.

I have been thinking about upgrading from Acoustic to Viscaria however, I´m just using GRIPS Europe FH and Tinarc on BH, but sometimes it lacks a bit of power from mid distance and need more arm power. Do you think MM will fit on my rubbers?

I have tried both TBS and Viscaria but honestly, felt too head heavy with these rubbers.

What do you think about it?

 


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Rosewood V FL

Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH

Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH


Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.

I have been thinking about upgrading from Acoustic to Viscaria however, I´m just using GRIPS Europe FH and Tinarc on BH, but sometimes it lacks a bit of power from mid distance and need more arm power. Do you think MM will fit on my rubbers?

I have tried both TBS and Viscaria but honestly, felt too head heavy with these rubbers.

What do you think about it?

 
 
sure the MM is going to fit those rubbers. probably as good or even better than viscaria. viscaria feels a little bit harder than MM.
 
i also made the transistion from acoustic to MM some time ago. and i like lot more the MM.
 
MM also has the better handles so the balance is going to be the best one within the alc blades. It usually feels lighter with same weight same power.
 
i think it is a good move.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 4:47pm
One friend of mine told me in Russia MMaze is the most popular blade...
I can tell you also I know many players here to play with it, also all over the world.
I will use the moment to ask if somebody has ST MMaze just to make me offer for trade.
Thanks in advance.


Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 7:31pm
I have to admit that even though I dont usually go for carbon blades, from the reviews I have read, that for some time now the Maze has been at the top of my list as the blade I want to go to next. I am waiting for Presports to get stock as that is the best price I found. This thread has been most informative.

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Stratus Powerwood
FH T05
BH T25


Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 7:52pm
I used to have TBS and MM, and I definitely like MM much more than TBS.  It feels like using a Korbel but with more reserved power, waiting to be unleashed.

TBS is just so so, and its handle (FL) does not fit my hand well.  On the other hand, MM has a really nice FL handle.  It just fits right.




Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 7:53pm
The only thing I can think of is weight distribution. Also, really good players who play with blades that slow tend to like a bit more vibration.


Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 9:07pm
btw, how did you came to the conclusion it was not popular!?

TBS got more marketing wind in its back and probably sells better , but MMaze is not far behind in popularity among pros and casual players alike.. 

I have both (MMaze and TBS), and although in certain situation both blades can accommodate the same strategies MMaze is the closest to the fast all-wood blades in terms of feel.  Someone said Korbel with AC, yep, something like that... I played with Joola Viva for a long time before switching to MMaze, and IMHO, if you can put an AC layer in the Viva, it will play sth like my MMazes (I have 3 at the moment).

I see lots of potential MMaze testers, so here is an advice, I have noticed that blades head dimensions and thickness rarely vary significantly, so weight variations usually come from the handle. Heavier MMazes in general have a thicker handle, which shifts some wight to the hand. If you are looking to try heavy rubbers, you may want to get a heavier MMaze to start with for a more balanced racket. 

I like mine in the 89-92 grams range. To me MMaze is a good compromize in therms of power, feel and control.

It is a not a soft-blade though. My experience is that if you are looking for a softer-feel in an AC blade, older Viscarias are the way to go. Somehow they have a softer feel. Newer Viscarias tend to be lighter and harder (more akin to TBS). 

Well, unfortunately the sample of BTY ALC blades I've tested is not very large. I have the following at the moment:
3 MMazes FL - 2 new logo and 1 old logo 
1 TBS FL - old logo
2 Viscarias FL - 1 old logo and 1 new logo
1 ZJK FL
1 TB ALC ST

I've also owned the following in the past 5 years
2 other MMazes (one FL and one ST)
2 other TBSs (one FL and one ST)
and 1 more Viscaria FL.
2 TB ALC FLs

So its not like I've tested 20 blades of each TBS and MMaze, so my observations are probably very biased.

BTW, I did not like the ST version o f the MMaze at all, has a very different balance, that I dislike being an user of a relatively heavy rubbers.

NB. Not gonna discus KLHS and Innceforce ALC, Viscaria Light and Iolite Neo - cause they are REALLY different form the bunch above.


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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 9:53pm
unnecessary control LOL
I like how that sounds Wink

Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

I think this might be due to the outer ply, and why it might not suit some rubbers. I'm just wondering why it's so unpopular, from the pros to the players in my club. Most of the top 10 pros are using blades with Koto outer plies, except for Ma Lin, correct me if I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the Maze blade has been forgotten over the similar blade Timo Boll Spirit?

__

Found this on a forum.

"maze is an excellent blade, bad not suitable for all kinds of rubbers including chinese rubbers. imho best setup for maze blade is tenergy 05. whereas with Timo Boll Spirit, i found that it plays well with DHS Hurricane 3 Neo and Skyline 3 Neo rubbers."

Reply:"maybe its a matter of preference, i also play with MMaze but i like it with chinese rubbers, i use H3 neo on FH and T05 on my BH."

What do you think?

i tried asking other club members why they prefer TBS and ALC over MMaze, many of them said that MMaze has too much unnecessary control and not enough power, id say it has enough power and excellent control, but then again those club members are much higher rated players than me 

and maybe because timo boll is more popular than MMaze thats why TB series blades are popular butterfly products, but i play with MMaze blade for over a year now and i plan to stick with it BTW i also own a TBS but i like the softer more controlled feel of mmaze


Posted By: MM
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 7:25am
hi , 
from your post it seems u have tried almost 5 MM blades so i think u are the best to answer my query . i play with a MM blade with donic sonex on both FH and BH and i find my blade quite head heavy even after putting a grip . in fact there are 3 other players in my academy who also play with MM but my blade feels heavier compared to all of them .is it normal for maze blades to have such weight distn ?  is it a good thing or a bad thing ? do i need to use a diff rubber ? 


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 7:31am
Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Because Maze isn't the star that Timo is.

...and the reason for that is that Maze plays with a bad blade, while Timo plays with a great blade! LOL!


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Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 7:36am
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.

I have been thinking about upgrading from Acoustic to Viscaria however, I´m just using GRIPS Europe FH and Tinarc on BH, but sometimes it lacks a bit of power from mid distance and need more arm power. Do you think MM will fit on my rubbers?

I have tried both TBS and Viscaria but honestly, felt too head heavy with these rubbers.

 


Mizutani Jun blade feels like a faster Acoustic while losing some of its feel. I changed to it yesterday without problems. Will be training with it the next few days to be sure.





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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 9:00am
Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.

I have been thinking about upgrading from Acoustic to Viscaria however, I´m just using GRIPS Europe FH and Tinarc on BH, but sometimes it lacks a bit of power from mid distance and need more arm power. Do you think MM will fit on my rubbers?

I have tried both TBS and Viscaria but honestly, felt too head heavy with these rubbers.

 


Mizutani Jun blade feels like a faster Acoustic while losing some of its feel. I changed to it yesterday without problems. Will be training with it the next few days to be sure.





Thanks but  i don´t fancy to lose any feeling. I haven´t found any fibre-based blade than cant lose control. Maybe MM is the easiest to tame, but still feels bouncier than my allwood. Acoustic is fine, even a bit fast with ESN rubbers for.




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Rosewood V FL

Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH

Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH


Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing


Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 9:37am
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

this is one of my favourite matches ever,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8ECXb9n9w
 
here you have chen qi playing with the MM and Ma Long with the tbs.
 
either one is playing great.
 
if going to analize the subtle differences i would point out the same. the bh with the tbs helps less dynamics and looks with better power and the fh and bh with the MM look with a little more control feeling.

I have been thinking about upgrading from Acoustic to Viscaria however, I´m just using GRIPS Europe FH and Tinarc on BH, but sometimes it lacks a bit of power from mid distance and need more arm power. Do you think MM will fit on my rubbers?

I have tried both TBS and Viscaria but honestly, felt too head heavy with these rubbers.

 


Mizutani Jun blade feels like a faster Acoustic while losing some of its feel. I changed to it yesterday without problems. Will be training with it the next few days to be sure.





Thanks but  i don´t fancy to lose any feeling. I haven´t found any fibre-based blade than cant lose control. Maybe MM is the easiest to tame, but still feels bouncier than my allwood. Acoustic is fine, even a bit fast with ESN rubbers for.




Why would u want to swap blades then? There is no fibre-based blade with the feeling of the acoustic, if you have the feel of the acoustic you can play with the MJ since it will respond the same.


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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: MM
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

btw, how did you came to the conclusion it was not popular!?

TBS got more marketing wind in its back and probably sells better , but MMaze is not far behind in popularity among pros and casual players alike.. 

I have both (MMaze and TBS), and although in certain situation both blades can accommodate the same strategies MMaze is the closest to the fast all-wood blades in terms of feel.  Someone said Korbel with AC, yep, something like that... I played with Joola Viva for a long time before switching to MMaze, and IMHO, if you can put an AC layer in the Viva, it will play sth like my MMazes (I have 3 at the moment).

I see lots of potential MMaze testers, so here is an advice, I have noticed that blades head dimensions and thickness rarely vary significantly, so weight variations usually come from the handle. Heavier MMazes in general have a thicker handle, which shifts some wight to the hand. If you are looking to try heavy rubbers, you may want to get a heavier MMaze to start with for a more balanced racket. 

I like mine in the 89-92 grams range. To me MMaze is a good compromize in therms of power, feel and control.

It is a not a soft-blade though. My experience is that if you are looking for a softer-feel in an AC blade, older Viscarias are the way to go. Somehow they have a softer feel. Newer Viscarias tend to be lighter and harder (more akin to TBS). 

Well, unfortunately the sample of BTY ALC blades I've tested is not very large. I have the following at the moment:
3 MMazes FL - 2 new logo and 1 old logo 
1 TBS FL - old logo
2 Viscarias FL - 1 old logo and 1 new logo
1 ZJK FL
1 TB ALC ST

I've also owned the following in the past 5 years
2 other MMazes (one FL and one ST)
2 other TBSs (one FL and one ST)
and 1 more Viscaria FL.
2 TB ALC FLs

So its not like I've tested 20 blades of each TBS and MMaze, so my observations are probably very biased.

BTW, I did not like the ST version o f the MMaze at all, has a very different balance, that I dislike being an user of a relatively heavy rubbers.

NB. Not gonna discus KLHS and Innceforce ALC, Viscaria Light and Iolite Neo - cause they are REALLY different form the bunch above.


hi vvu.tee , 
from your post it seems u have tried almost 5 MM blades so i think u are the best to answer my query . i play with a MM blade with donic sonex on both FH and BH and i find my blade quite head heavy even after putting a grip . in fact there are 3 other players in my academy who also play with MM but my blade feels heavier compared to all of them .is it normal for maze blades to have such weight distn ?  is it a good thing or a bad thing ? do i need to use a diff rubber ? 






Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 9:03pm
tbs is very far from an all wood feel.
I remember when I switched to it, it felt like playing with a piece of iron.
I had been playing for some time with a clipper cr at the time....
as for maze I haven't tried it but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much of an all wood feel.
any blade with a thin top layer and then something that includes carbon will feel pretty stiff.
for all wood feel I'd think of something like waldner senso carbon or the innerforce series.

Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

btw, how did you came to the conclusion it was not popular!?

TBS got more marketing wind in its back and probably sells better , but MMaze is not far behind in popularity among pros and casual players alike.. 

I have both (MMaze and TBS), and although in certain situation both blades can accommodate the same strategies MMaze is the closest to the fast all-wood blades in terms of feel.  Someone said Korbel with AC, yep, something like that... I played with Joola Viva for a long time before switching to MMaze, and IMHO, if you can put an AC layer in the Viva, it will play sth like my MMazes (I have 3 at the moment).

I see lots of potential MMaze testers, so here is an advice, I have noticed that blades head dimensions and thickness rarely vary significantly, so weight variations usually come from the handle. Heavier MMazes in general have a thicker handle, which shifts some wight to the hand. If you are looking to try heavy rubbers, you may want to get a heavier MMaze to start with for a more balanced racket. 

I like mine in the 89-92 grams range. To me MMaze is a good compromize in therms of power, feel and control.

It is a not a soft-blade though. My experience is that if you are looking for a softer-feel in an AC blade, older Viscarias are the way to go. Somehow they have a softer feel. Newer Viscarias tend to be lighter and harder (more akin to TBS). 

Well, unfortunately the sample of BTY ALC blades I've tested is not very large. I have the following at the moment:
3 MMazes FL - 2 new logo and 1 old logo 
1 TBS FL - old logo
2 Viscarias FL - 1 old logo and 1 new logo
1 ZJK FL
1 TB ALC ST

I've also owned the following in the past 5 years
2 other MMazes (one FL and one ST)
2 other TBSs (one FL and one ST)
and 1 more Viscaria FL.
2 TB ALC FLs

So its not like I've tested 20 blades of each TBS and MMaze, so my observations are probably very biased.

BTW, I did not like the ST version o f the MMaze at all, has a very different balance, that I dislike being an user of a relatively heavy rubbers.

NB. Not gonna discus KLHS and Innceforce ALC, Viscaria Light and Iolite Neo - cause they are REALLY different form the bunch above.


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 9:50pm
This is the problem MM. Have to buy several MM to find the good one.
Another thing to consider is the handle. I play with FL. Though the ST is a thick and good one I do not like the balance with the ST. I agree here with vvu. I prefer more handle balance. For me the FL makes the blade feel better.
 
I had several MM and I liked one quite better than the rest. 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 04/25/2012 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

tbs is very far from an all wood feel.
I remember when I switched to it, it felt like playing with a piece of iron.
I had been playing for some time with a clipper cr at the time....
as for maze I haven't tried it but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much of an all wood feel.
any blade with a thin top layer and then something that includes carbon will feel pretty stiff.
for all wood feel I'd think of something like waldner senso carbon or the innerforce series.

yes i must agree both TBS and Maze is far from wood feel, ive been using mmaze for 3 years and shifted to my old clipper just 2 months ago so i can say the feel is very far from clipper

Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

btw, how did you came to the conclusion it was not popular!?

TBS got more marketing wind in its back and probably sells better , but MMaze is not far behind in popularity among pros and casual players alike.. 

I have both (MMaze and TBS), and although in certain situation both blades can accommodate the same strategies MMaze is the closest to the fast all-wood blades in terms of feel.  Someone said Korbel with AC, yep, something like that... I played with Joola Viva for a long time before switching to MMaze, and IMHO, if you can put an AC layer in the Viva, it will play sth like my MMazes (I have 3 at the moment).

I see lots of potential MMaze testers, so here is an advice, I have noticed that blades head dimensions and thickness rarely vary significantly, so weight variations usually come from the handle. Heavier MMazes in general have a thicker handle, which shifts some wight to the hand. If you are looking to try heavy rubbers, you may want to get a heavier MMaze to start with for a more balanced racket. 

I like mine in the 89-92 grams range. To me MMaze is a good compromize in therms of power, feel and control.

It is a not a soft-blade though. My experience is that if you are looking for a softer-feel in an AC blade, older Viscarias are the way to go. Somehow they have a softer feel. Newer Viscarias tend to be lighter and harder (more akin to TBS). 

Well, unfortunately the sample of BTY ALC blades I've tested is not very large. I have the following at the moment:
3 MMazes FL - 2 new logo and 1 old logo 
1 TBS FL - old logo
2 Viscarias FL - 1 old logo and 1 new logo
1 ZJK FL
1 TB ALC ST

I've also owned the following in the past 5 years
2 other MMazes (one FL and one ST)
2 other TBSs (one FL and one ST)
and 1 more Viscaria FL.
2 TB ALC FLs

So its not like I've tested 20 blades of each TBS and MMaze, so my observations are probably very biased.

BTW, I did not like the ST version o f the MMaze at all, has a very different balance, that I dislike being an user of a relatively heavy rubbers.

NB. Not gonna discus KLHS and Innceforce ALC, Viscaria Light and Iolite Neo - cause they are REALLY different form the bunch above.


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FH: Tenergy 05 black

BH: Tenergy 05 red





Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 3:08am
with heavy rubbers every blade can become headheavy

the FL version (2 of them) that I am using actively at the moment have a relatively good balance (still headheavy, but not as much as the ST and lighter blades.)

all in all, MMaze along with the TBS have a neutral to head-light balance (some viscarias too, esp. if weight is over 92 grams ) and can handle heavy rubbers well. these are my impressions.

for example and to give some perspective, I have a 76 grams tsp balsa 6.5, I've tried it with the same type of rubbers I am using on the MMaze. The combo comes out 13-17 grams lighter, but it feels heavier in the hand. although it has good control and power, it does not have a better touch or a better kick. (I am aware that if I play with it for 3 months with it I will probably get accustomed to it, so take my opinion with a grain of salt).

PS. ...and yes, I did try several before finding the MMazes I like (I call this the Picky Bachelor/Spinster strategy); however, there is an alternative and less expensive strategy (the Indian Marriage Strategy), do your research, buy a blade and then just bite the bullet and play with the one you've bought, you will get used to it and everything will fall in place in due time, and the love between you and your blade will grow. besides, headheavy blades have their advantages as well (every combo has strengths and weaknesses, just get to know them them and use them to your advantage). in my case, I was playing for far too long with a different blade (balance) and could not allow to a lengthy transition, so I went the more expensive route to get a blade to simulate as well as possible to my previous setup. this is not necessarily the best way to pick a blade. as with people, it is better to get to know them, appreciate them for what they are and accept them, rather than trying to find the perfect match or mold the people you are with into something you like LOL


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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 3:32am
MM his old blade (the maze) was given away in a contest when he switched to TBS, I know the player that got it and will try to make some pictures of it to see if its the same as the one you guys have :)

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FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 9:47am
I think Dorje is pretty spot-on above. After a quick whip-around at the Werner Schlager Academy - the majority of players are using Timo blades (mostly split between TBS and ALC). A couple are using MM.

The players who try to play a more allround game (mixing blocking, control, counterspin, attacks) are more likely to go for something faster like a Timo blade as it allows the best of both worlds. They get some weight / rebound behind the shots where they're using the speed/spin of the opponent's shot whilst still being able to generate good power themselves.

Players who want to generate their own pace often go for something slower like a MM. I would generally say players with more physical games go for slower as they expect to be late to the ball often and need the extra lift and dip a slower blade will encourage.

Both are fine blades it must be said.


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Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:07pm
 
Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

with heavy rubbers every blade can become headheavy

the FL version (2 of them) that I am using actively at the moment have a relatively good balance (still headheavy, but not as much as the ST and lighter blades.)

all in all, MMaze along with the TBS have a neutral to head-light balance (some viscarias too, esp. if weight is over 92 grams ) and can handle heavy rubbers well. these are my impressions.

for example and to give some perspective, I have a 76 grams tsp balsa 6.5, I've tried it with the same type of rubbers I am using on the MMaze. The combo comes out 13-17 grams lighter, but it feels heavier in the hand. although it has good control and power, it does not have a better touch or a better kick. (I am aware that if I play with it for 3 months with it I will probably get accustomed to it, so take my opinion with a grain of salt).

PS. ...and yes, I did try several before finding the MMazes I like (I call this the Picky Bachelor/Spinster strategy); however, there is an alternative and less expensive strategy (the Indian Marriage Strategy), do your research, buy a blade and then just bite the bullet and play with the one you've bought, you will get used to it and everything will fall in place in due time, and the love between you and your blade will grow. besides, headheavy blades have their advantages as well (every combo has strengths and weaknesses, just get to know them them and use them to your advantage). in my case, I was playing for far too long with a different blade (balance) and could not allow to a lengthy transition, so I went the more expensive route to get a blade to simulate as well as possible to my previous setup. this is not necessarily the best way to pick a blade. as with people, it is better to get to know them, appreciate them for what they are and accept them, rather than trying to find the perfect match or mold the people you are with into something you like LOL
LOL (the Indian Marriage Strategy) : Like the analogy ..


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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

I'm just wondering why it's so unpopular...............
correct me if I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the Maze blade has been forgotten over the similar blade Timo Boll Spirit?
What do you think?


Top 5, I have one as well but not yet using as have not decided on rubbers yet

http://www.tabletennisdb.com/database/popular-blade.html - http://www.tabletennisdb.com/database/popular-blade.html




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FH T05
BH T25


Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 3:22pm
I have M Maze blade but it's hard to play with, so I use some cheap slightly slower blade.

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Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 7:33pm
ttEDGE, this is a very observant observation... concerning MM and people that need the extra dip and lift, and it is very true... though IMHO it is not for smashers, contrary to Dorje's conclusions, since they have better alternatives from the BTY's range. TBS and MMaze can accommodate the same strategies though... so don't worry too much, if you've got one or the other Tongue



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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/28/2012 at 3:10am
On lower/middle competition level in my environment, there are players using MM blade and neither one of them is close to table player. They simple do serve, and then 2 steps back and play from there, some are loopers some just lifters, even pushers, but no one is close to table. TBS players of same level are much closer to table.


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Posted By: speedspin
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 3:54pm
The MM arylate carbon blade has excellent control and reasonable speed.  I have 3 of them and prefer the MM to the TB ALC because of the larger racket head.  The MM is great for combination bats.  It has more control and is a bit slower than the Viscaria--just like Butterfly's ratings.  I might change to a faster blade later, when my touch improves, but for now, it is fine. The next step up would be a Viscaria, or perhaps the ZLF (I have ZLFs also).

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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 6:26pm
I've had four Timo Boll Spirits in the past; whilst i still have both of my Michael Mazes.

Whilst I consider the TB ALC as a subtlely improved version of the TBS; I still prefer the Michael Maze and mainly for the reason mentioned by TT edge; i.e. it suits players who like to provide their own power.

Of the newer Butterfly composites; I've found the Innerforce ZLF to be a better blade to play with, than the TBS and TB ALC too.




Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 12:28am
i find the IZLF too dwelly! It has lots of control but I find it too soft!


Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 12:47am
Originally posted by speedspin speedspin wrote:

The MM arylate carbon blade has excellent control and reasonable speed.  I have 3 of them and prefer the MM to the TB ALC because of the larger racket head.  The MM is great for combination bats.  It has more control and is a bit slower than the Viscaria--just like Butterfly's ratings.  I might change to a faster blade later, when my touch improves, but for now, it is fine. The next step up would be a Viscaria, or perhaps the ZLF (I have ZLFs also).
 
I have never owned an ALC (and will never) but i had about an hour of hitting with ALC and i dont think i like the feeling it provides it is way too springy on the palms vs MM which i feel has the right amount of vibration leading to the control aspect , of course i know feelings differ and no offense meant here for ALC fans.


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Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 8:16pm
i just switched from Korbel to a MM recently and I must say it's awesome. The MM is a Korbel on steroids, the control is awesome and this blade has that extra "power when you wanted" that Korbel does not have. I am not kicking Korbel to the curb at all, I still think that is an amazing classic but if you want extra power the MM has it. It plays similar to Korbelbut more powerful.


Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 9:54pm
How does MM compare to the discontinued Kong Linghui Special? I stopped using my KLS a few years ago but every now and then I think of going back to it.


Posted By: jinlai
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 9:11am
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

I think this might be due to the outer ply, and why it might not suit some rubbers. I'm just wondering why it's so unpopular, from the pros to the players in my club. Most of the top 10 pros are using blades with Koto outer plies, except for Ma Lin, correct me if I'm wrong. Can anyone explain why the Maze blade has been forgotten over the similar blade Timo Boll Spirit?

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Found this on a forum.

"maze is an excellent blade, bad not suitable for all kinds of rubbers including chinese rubbers. imho best setup for maze blade is tenergy 05. whereas with Timo Boll Spirit, i found that it plays well with DHS Hurricane 3 Neo and Skyline 3 Neo rubbers."

Reply:"maybe its a matter of preference, i also play with MMaze but i like it with chinese rubbers, i use H3 neo on FH and T05 on my BH."

What do you think?


I think the very simple reason is that he has too little major titles under his belt. Look around those who are World Champ, World Cup Champ, ITTF Pro Champ, Olympic Champ, etc, their blades sells like hot cakes irrespective of brands, (Chinese, Japanese or European).



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