SmackDAT wrote: Is Tenergy 25 as reactive to spin as Tenergy 05 and is it hard to loop heavy backspin with? This rubber sounds good but I'm put off by the low throw angle, I still need the ease of looping backspin.

It is not that low. It is only lower relative to the other two (T05 and T64). It is still a bit higher than the average Chinese rubber, for example (and in my opinion). 

Unfortunately, it is the only rubber that replicates all the traits I'm looking for. I say "unfortunately" because it is obviously very expensive and I don't care for Butterfly. T05 is an excellent rubber, it's just not for me and my style. T25, on the other hand, is perfect (besides the price)... and at least it's very durable.  

You get the nice feel of a Japanese rubber with a performance similar to Chinese rubbers. (Or, more like somewhere in between the two.) In my experience, it is the closest (not perfect, but closest) replication of a speed glued Chinese rubber. 

T25 is definitely more forgiving than T05 when considering passive blocks. It's not nearly as reactive to spin as T05. It does, however, favor a more powerful stroke. You don't get as many mid-effort gimmes as you do with T05. 

If you like to hit hard, if you like the performance of Chinese rubbers but don't like the feel and speed, if you want a rubber kind of similar to T05 but less reactive, and if you don't mind being extorted on the price, then T25 is an excellent choice, IMO. 

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I prefer T25 and Spinart over T05 for driving. The trajectories are a flatter than T05 but you get more control over the depth of your shots. It's easier to place the ball more precisely where you want it.

Can't be, the top sheets are different.  Did you test the two on the same blade?

?????   Less bouncy and yet faster?  I am not so sure about linear.  The sponges are the same.  The top sheets are different.

One a month ago I put T25 on the FH side of my Firewall Plus.  I have a TBS+2xT05 too.   The T25 appears to be a slightly more tame T05 and is great for blocking and best of all it is great for hitting weak balls from those intimidated by the LP on my BH.  I say more tame but the difference can also be the difference in blades because the Firewall Plus is rated ALL and the TBS is rated OFF so I think any rubber would be more 'tame' on the Firewall Plus.  

T25 is supposedly a little faster and a little less spinny than T05 on the same paddle.  The spin to speed ratio is a little lower than T05 on the same blade but since my Firewall Plus is slower than my TBS I expect the spin to speed ratio of my  Firewall Plus+T25 to be roughly the same as my TBS+2xT05.

So far I am happy but honestly, for the way I play T25 is gross over kill as I usually loop once then hit there after.  The good side is that this rubber is too expensive to swap off my Firewall Plus at a whim so it is probably there for two years.  I should be very familiar with the T25 by then.

The rubbers that the T25 replaced

802-40 1.8mm,   Good for hitting, not so good for looping.  Looping takes effort and one can't brush the ball without risking the ball sliding off the paddle.

H3 #19,  relatively spinny but slow on the Firewall Plus.  There is no problem with grip though.

TB4,  much faster and good for hitting.  TB4 could generate some spin if you worked at it.  One can brush the ball with little risk but there is little if any tangential stretching.

IQUL SV Max.  I would probably go back to this one as IQUL SV Max has very good speed and spin but is very heavy for having the name Ultra Light but that makes no difference on a paddle that is almost too light.

Now I staying with the T25 until it wears out.  My first set of T05 lasted 2 years.  I am hoping to get the same life out my T25.

  

For pure loops (no hitting sound upon contact), the T25 and T05 has the same high throw.

For drives (hitting sound, but still heavy topspin), the T25 is lower throw than the T05.

Bounciness refers to speed at low gears, such as when the sponge engages during serves. Speed at high gears refers to power drives. You can hit so fast with the T25 you can't even see the ball. When it gets blocked, it'll feel like a golf ball to the opponent, the shock would travel up the arms.

An example is TB4, which is a bouncy rubber. However, it is a slow rubber when you are hitting hard. You could still see the ball. Whereas untuned H3 feels dull and lacks bounciness. It seems slow. But if you hit it hard, it will be much faster than TB4. Untuned H3 is faster than fast tensor rubbers at high gear, for people with fast arm speed.

Don't you get it?  The way you are talking about throw angle makes my point about why throw angle is bogus.  It depends on the user.

For drives (hitting sound, but still heavy topspin), the T25 is lower throw than the T05.

Yes, if you believe the Butterfly site.  However, the rubber doesn't know what kind of stroke you are doing.  Also if T25 is on a slower blade like my Firewall Plus it can be higher than T05.

Bounciness refers to speed at low gears, such as when the sponge engages during serves.

OK, if that is the way you want to define it.

An example is TB4, which is a bouncy rubber. However, it is a slow rubber when you are hitting hard. You could still see the ball. Whereas untuned H3 feels dull and lacks bounciness. It seems slow. But if you hit it hard, it will be much faster than TB4. Untuned H3 is faster than fast tensor rubbers at high gear, for people with fast arm speed.

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Therefore Т25 has more : hardness, control (repeated trajectories),linear (more slowly at small speeds, quicker at very big speeds),shorter an arch.

Butterfly : spin T05 > T25 >T64 ( -> that is very good).

I saw as the player improved bh game with Т25 instead of Т64 (closely to the table) .

It will crumble if there is any table smacking. But treated carefully, though, it will not expand too much. Thus the rubber will last for hundreds of hours but with a 'crumbly' edge. My rubbers have greater than 50 hours of table time on them. The edge crumbled within a couple of sessions due to a couple table hits but have been fine since then. The black backhand side is perfect.

Hmmm. English can a be female dog sometimes. I was with you 100% even if my wording was not perfect.

It's a great rubber for RPB but you better get something softer if you want ease in lifting backspin.