how long can a rubber last?
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Topic: how long can a rubber last?
Posted By: kennyc23
Subject: how long can a rubber last?
Date Posted: 07/20/2012 at 11:28am
how long can a typical/tenergy rubber last?
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Posted By: Stoi
Date Posted: 07/20/2012 at 11:42am
You can use the search function and you will find many posts about it. If you want a specific answer tell us the average hours of weekly play, your style and your level.
Edit: Also which Tenergy - i guess 05? - and i dont know if thickness or color may play any role.
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Posted By: Mahdi_mak2000
Date Posted: 07/20/2012 at 1:24pm
I exercise 3 hour a day/ 3 times week. totally 9 hours a week. T05 last for only 4 month despite i clean it after exercise.
------------- BTY Viscaria
BH : Tenergy 05
FH : Tenergy 05
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Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 07/20/2012 at 3:30pm
even though the accounts vary it is universally agreed that is lasts a very long time. My very first sheet of tenergy is approaching 1 yr and still has a very stron bite, even though the topsheet has miscolorations and has thinned out. I don't use it at the club any more but use it at work. I just can't understand how it's possible to still bite like that after thousands of loops.
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Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/20/2012 at 6:44pm
assiduous wrote:
even though the accounts vary it is universally agreed that is lasts a very long time. My very first sheet of tenergy is approaching 1 yr and still has a very stron bite, even though the topsheet has miscolorations and has thinned out. I don't use it at the club any more but use it at work. I just can't understand how it's possible to still bite like that after thousands of loops. |
Personally, I don't understand how it's possible to NOT have a good bite after just a few thousand loops, especially at the level most people play at. Maybe I'm just spoiled by my H3, but it plays exactly as new after 6 months, and I hit pretty damn hard.
------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 12:07am
Mahdi_mak2000 wrote:
I exercise 3 hour a day/ 3 times week. totally 9 hours a week. T05 last for only 4 month despite i clean it after exercise.
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what do you clean it with?
some of the "cleaning products" sold by tt stores are frankly designed to deteriorate your rubbers
if you're using a sponge, stop
------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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Posted By: gweipwu
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 12:17am
I suppose we are talking about nature wear. My T64 usable life can last for one year. But mostly it was not because nature wear it was because hit on the table or scratched on the table edge.
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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 12:37am
Some of the old masters of the game change their rubber every 15 or 20 years.
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Posted By: silva7
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 12:45am
my tenergy has been used for 6 months and still spins well but the wear on it is noticeable.
------------- RSM Special Platinum T64
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Posted By: gweipwu
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 1:09am
ChichoFicho wrote:
Some of the old masters of the game change their rubber every 15 or 20 years.
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Yes. I met a guy his rubber surface lost tackiness and even worse the rubber feels slippery. He cannot control it well, too. But he won many top players in the club that day. After games I suggest him change a new rubber he said I never change my rubber for 20 years!
------------- ping pong amateur,...
BTY Viscaria FL
H3 FH, T64 BH,
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Posted By: gnome
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 1:11am
The t05 on my fh has lasted a year. I think 6hrs a week I loop hard with it/play with choppers/ aggressive drills against blocker etc.. the other 6hrs it gets treated nicer.. blocks, serves, pushes..
The sheet looks really bad with a light grey blob on it. Spin, speed still good but I have a feeling once I get a new sheet of tenergy, it will feel a lot more livelier, and spin will come easier. A part of me wants to see how long the old sheet will last.
But I have also seen someones t05 get significantly less grippy (after running finger across) in 8 months time playing only 4 hrs a week. He washes with water and sponge and perhaps not consistently. I think something like cure water helps preserve rubber better than water.
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Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 3:47am
until more than 20% of the pips break.
------------- Nittaku Resound
FH: Joola Timeless
BH: Joola Timeless
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Posted By: chandro
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 3:57am
Boost TC...two pairs for a period of 9 months with games and practise 3-4 times a week, you are ok. Boost TC plays really nice with carbon/hard blades.
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Posted By: kennyc23
Date Posted: 07/21/2012 at 6:03am
have you heard of rubbing some olive/sunflower oil on the rubber to bring back the tacky? i tried it myself it works pretty good.
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 12:37am
kennyc23 wrote:
have you heard of rubbing some olive/sunflower oil on the rubber to bring back the tacky? i tried it myself it works pretty good. |
Olive oil can restore some of the grip of the rubber. However, it seems that the oil changes the rubber characteristic a little bit. Anyway, after running finger across the top sheet, If I feel the rubber got significantly less grippy, I will give it a little oil. No matter what happens I will change my rubber around every 6 months (~16 hrs play time per week). It is be'cos I know a new sheet will feel better. For the tenergy rubbers, it is easy to tell it is the time that you must replace the rubber. When you run your finger across the top sheet, u feel like sand .
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Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 2:12am
So how would you use "oil" to bring back life to your older rubbers? I assume apply and leave for x hrs, then wipe off? I should prolly try some tyre tweak if that works...... or FXII.
------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g
FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk
BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 2:15am
GoldenDragoon wrote:
So how would you use "oil" to bring back life to your older rubbers? I assume apply and leave for x hrs, then wipe off? I should prolly try some tyre tweak if that works...... or FXII.
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doesn't take hours... a light coat of oil gets absorbed a lot quicker than you would think
------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 2:38am
kennyc23 wrote:
how long can a typical/tenergy rubber last?
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Define last.
It is playable for a very long time, but the characteristics of the rubber changes, like every other rubber, pretty quickly. 10-15 hours a week and the T05 last for ~8 weeks before I notice a difference between it and a brand new T05.
------------- The holy grail
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 2:59am
Anti rubber lasts a long time. None seem to age, they seem to get better with age. My pips seem to last too except for the few missing pips around the edge of my hard bat with Peacekeeper. I haven't had the same luck with inverted rubbers.
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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 3:20am
If you use non voc glue, and do not remove it from your blade.(when you remove a rubber from your blade it loses tension/shrinks)
It can last YEARS. But like people say, it does not play at 100% forever. My 2+ year old Tenergy was probably at 70%. Imo still better than a new sriver and better than all the 14 dollar chinese rubbers. Like Gnome says, at around 1 year old is when people say goodbye. But it depends on the person. People with big bank accounts will change every few months. People that use voc glue or boost will change more frequently as well. If on the first day you remove the Tenergy, there is a chance you killed it on the first day.
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 5:51am
pnachtwey wrote:
Anti rubber lasts a long time. None seem to age, they seem to get better with age |
A bit of a contradiction, don't you think? They don't seem to age, yet they get better? This is only a case of ageing improving the properties you like with the anti rubber. This usually isn't the case with regular inverted. Besides, I don't like to keep my anti rubbers for to long, as the sponge dies and makes it harder to manipulate the spin.
------------- The holy grail
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 6:13am
cotdt wrote:
until more than 20% of the pips break. |
I have never been able to identify broken pips. Maybe I don't have the necessary feelability in my finger tips.
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 1:56pm
Speedplay wrote:
A bit of a contradiction, don't you think? They don't seem to age, yet they get better? |
You are right. I didn't have my lawyer review my post before I posted.
It should have said "They don't age or get better with age." Kind of like good software.
This is only a case of ageing improving the properties you like with the anti rubber. |
Yes. Most antis are still too fast but I have also found that putting them on a slower paddle helps a lot. The blade makes a big difference.
My inverted rubbers seem to last 6 months to 2 years. Many I don't like after a week and that is just as bad.
------------- I TT therefore I am
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Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 3:14pm
Tinykin wrote:
cotdt wrote:
until more than 20% of the pips break. |
I have never been able to identify broken pips. Maybe I don't have the necessary feelability in my finger tips. |
You have to use rubbers for a really long time before the pips start breaking. Rubbers last pretty much forever if you clean the surface with oil to restore grip.
------------- Nittaku Resound
FH: Joola Timeless
BH: Joola Timeless
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 4:20pm
Mext time, have a lawyer read your post first, or accept it when other's talk about blade speed and energy
Anti being to fast? How slow do you like them? The Nittaku Best Anti is pretty slow, although not extreme in any way. I think that Hallmakr Mirage is the slowest anti I have tried, but that rubber was pretty useless in every other department, so nothing I would recommend.
Now, inverted lasting for 6-24 months? I guess we are talking about being playable here, cause I simply can't see a rubber perform as new for such a long period of time. T05 feels like new to me for roughly 8 weeks, but it's still playable for another 16-20 weeks, but that's about it. Red Diamond that I currently use feels new for roughly 4 weeks, but once it starts losing it's properties, it's downhill very fast and it's only useable for another 8-12 weeks.
pnachtwey wrote:
Speedplay wrote:
A bit of a contradiction, don't you think? They don't seem to age, yet they get better? |
You are right. I didn't have my lawyer review my post before I posted. It should have said "They don't age or get better with age." Kind of like good software.
This is only a case of ageing improving the properties you like with the anti rubber. |
Yes. Most antis are still too fast but I have also found that putting them on a slower paddle helps a lot. The blade makes a big difference. My inverted rubbers seem to last 6 months to 2 years. Many I don't like after a week and that is just as bad.
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 5:10pm
the_theologian wrote:
GoldenDragoon wrote:
So how would you use "oil" to bring back life to your older rubbers? I assume apply and leave for x hrs, then wipe off? I should prolly try some tyre tweak if that works...... or FXII.
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doesn't take hours... a light coat of oil gets absorbed a lot quicker than you would think |
ya; u are not putting olive oil like u are going to fry egg on your top sheer; just some drops of oil here, then spread it.
Actually, I find that the natural tt rubbers have a longer playable period than the synthetic tt rubbers. The synthetic tt rubbers seem lost their characterizes very fast after 4 ~ 6weeks (~15 hrs per week), but the natural tt rubbers lost their properties in a slower rate after the initial 4~6 weeks.
------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 5:19pm
Speedplay wrote:
Mext time, have a lawyer read your post first, or accept it when other's talk about blade speed and energy
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You were right. You caught my mistake. However, I will continue to point out that blades and rubbers don't generate power unless they are burned. I think too many people are swayed by all the marketing lies. Someone has to remind people that they supply the power and control.
Anti being to fast? How slow do you like them? The Nittaku Best Anti is pretty slow, although not extreme in any way. |
I know, I have Best Anti.
I would pretty much use up my TT allowance if I had to buy a pair of T05 every two months. My three Rakza 7s are 18 months old. The Rakza 7 1.8mm on the FH of my 'Ball Whacker' is showing its age and will have to be replaced soon. It is chipped and heavily used.
I stretched the life of my first set of T05 to two years before I retired the two sheets. They were badly chipped and the red sheet had a gouge on the edge where I hit the corner of the table.
My cheap Chinese rubbers seem to last and last unless they are damaged. They never had the spring effect of a T05 to lose in the first place. However, my Hurricanes seem to have problems with their sponge very quickly. One thing I do after cleaning the rubber is to look at how the light reflects off the rubber. One can tell if the top sheet is smooth this way. If it isn't then the sponge below that spot has not expanded back to its original position after being compressed. This is bad. It is a dead spot on the sponge. Perhaps if I 'boosted' them the sponges would expand back and the top sheet would be smooth again but I shouldn't need to go through the hassle. I have never seen a dead or dimpled sponge on a Tenergy, Rakza 7 or Mark V.
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Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 6:06pm
Egghead wrote:
the_theologian wrote:
GoldenDragoon wrote:
So how would you use "oil" to bring back life to your older rubbers? I assume apply and leave for x hrs, then wipe off? I should prolly try some tyre tweak if that works...... or FXII.
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doesn't take hours... a light coat of oil gets absorbed a lot quicker than you would think |
ya; u are not putting olive oil like u are going to fry egg on your top sheer; just some drops of oil here, then spread it.
Actually, I find that the natural tt rubbers have a longer playable period than the synthetic tt rubbers. The synthetic tt rubbers seem lost their characterizes very fast after 4 ~ 6weeks (~15 hrs per week), but the natural tt rubbers lost their properties in a slower rate after the initial 4~6 weeks.
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You shouldn't fry stuff with olive oil anyway
------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max
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Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 07/22/2012 at 8:13pm
6 months on an average for a tenergy, well at least for me
------------- Viscaria
FH: Tenergy 05 black
BH: Tenergy 05 red
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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 04/16/2014 at 1:20pm
It looks like rubbers can last as long as you want it to last, so the more important question is how often do you change your rubbers? and do you change BH and FH rubbers at the same time? Lets hear your experience, below is mine .I do change my BH, and FH rubbers at the same time when I play both sides inverted. However, I notice that I feel the need to change the BH rubber more frequently, after about 2 months or ~100 hrs, I feel the need to change my BH rubbers, but I usually keep it and play for another month or so, then change it together with the FH rubber. I think for some reason the contact points on my BH is concentrated in the small area in the middle, where as on the FH side, the contact area is not as concentrated (larger worn circle), so it wears out longer, also I think the FH stroke is larger and I can engage the sponge more, so the grip of the top sheet is not as crucial as on the BH side.
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/16/2014 at 2:52pm
Every rubber is different of course and so are the players habits concerning rubber care. Keeping it very clean and covered with a protector film goes a long way. I think using distilled water and a sponge most of the time with occasional use of rubber cleaners promotes long rubber life. Usually when your contact spot starts to turn a bit shinny it's time to change.
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/17/2014 at 9:25pm
ChichoFicho wrote:
Some of the old masters of the game change their rubber every 15 or 20 years.
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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 04/19/2014 at 12:55pm
Without booster I think T64 lasts longer than T05.
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Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 04/19/2014 at 5:27pm
2 months if i play regularly 3-4 times a week
if i train hard 4-5 times a week with tournaments 6 weeks... the problem i believe comes from the tiny cracks in the sponge...while the topsheet is grippy it doesn't lift as well and if feel a bit deader
------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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Posted By: Johnny.d.p
Date Posted: 04/20/2014 at 10:20pm
I used a sheet of Tenergy 05 Red 2.1mm for a whole year... I played about 3-4 hours a week. The wear was noticeable but the rubber still functioned.
------------- BTY Viscaria FL 88g | DHS H3 BS 2.1 41 x DianChi | BTY Tenergy 64
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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:58pm
smackman wrote:
ChichoFicho wrote:
Some of the old masters of the game change their rubber every 15 or 20 years.
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One of the greatest masters who I know, uses penhold blade and short pips OX only one side. I gave him two sheets of 802 OX two years ago and he changed his rubber. Before that he had been using one rubber for more than 10 years. And the one before that he used against Istvan Jonyer in late 70's.
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Hammond FA Speed
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/21/2014 at 3:03pm
That sheet belongs in a museum!
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/22/2014 at 3:30am
smackman wrote:
ChichoFicho wrote:
Some of the old masters of the game change their rubber every 15 or 20 years.
| and what tenergy were they using? |
some of the cpen hitters keep the sponge and change a new sponge, played in the swedish league and beat karlson,person and waldner when they were in their prime
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