Donic BlueFire M2 and M3 review
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Topic: Donic BlueFire M2 and M3 review
Posted By: Nagatito
Subject: Donic BlueFire M2 and M3 review
Date Posted: 08/01/2012 at 9:36pm
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Has anyone tried BF M2 or M3 before. Its allready available at a TT shop at spain. If you had tried it please make a review. ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC FH: T05 BH: Roundell |
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/01/2012 at 11:44pm
I have an unopened M3 in my possession.... would you like the unopened weight?  ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: Nagatito
Date Posted: 08/01/2012 at 11:52pm
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I really don care about weight if is not head heavy with enough power im fine :D ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC FH: T05 BH: Roundell |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 08/02/2012 at 1:09am
I am waiting on my M2 will comment my views in about a week . On a side note these rubbers sound like the "M" series of a BMW ;) lol ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Nagatito wrote:Posted By: virtuososiu
Date Posted: 08/02/2012 at 1:57am
classy lol im interested in Bluefire as well, not sure M1 or M2 to get. look forward to ur review
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Posted By: Nagatito
Date Posted: 08/02/2012 at 6:43am
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And I hope I get my M1 in 4 or 5 days hehe ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC FH: T05 BH: Roundell |
Posted By: chameleon77
Date Posted: 08/03/2012 at 4:12am
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i already have my Bluefire M1 on my Joola flame extreme. using it on my FH...loving it!...comparable to donic baracuda and acuda S1 Turbo...below are my observation on the 3 rubbers: Speed: Acuda S1 Turbo > M1 > Baracuda
Spin (service): Baracuda > M1 > Acuda S1 Turbo Spin (loop): Acuda S1 Turbo > M1 = Baracuda Throw angle: Baracuda > M1 > Acuda S1 Turbo Catapult effect: Acuda S1 Turbo > M1 > Baracuda as for the Bluefire M2 and M3, (since i haven't tried these rubbers yet) i guess it will have the same pattern as the acuda's wherein the 1 is the fastest among the three and the 3 with the softest sponge.
hope this helps ------------- Ma Lin Carbon ST FH: Acuda S3 max BH: Joola Turbo 2.0 STIGA Offensive Classic FH: Acuda S2 max BH: 802-40 max |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/03/2012 at 6:26pm
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using bluefire m3 now on my backhand... it makes the most interesting sound of any rubber I've ever used immediately against my robot i was in shock at the sound very bizarre. today i played with it against a human opponent. fairly easy to adjust to, although I was hoping it would have a softer feel with more dwell the topsheet seems to be under fantastic tension. the sound it makes is like it grabs the ball then quickly snaps back to the position of attention I'm actually thinking i will put it in the FS section because it's not quite what i'm looking for ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/03/2012 at 7:18pm
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... Bluefire M3 now in my for sale thread:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52157&PN=1#643911 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52157&PN=1#643911 ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 08/04/2012 at 8:05am
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All recent tensors have to be played for 3-4 sessions to reach optimal attributes. They play rather unelastic for a couple sessions. Similiar to Stiga rubbers but it takes less time.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 08/04/2012 at 10:28pm
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Based on playing with the M1, I'm guessing the M2 will be similar to T05FX but without the dwell and blocks at a more open angle. I still consider T05 series rubbers to be better, but can't resist the price. ------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: Nagatito
Date Posted: 08/04/2012 at 11:23pm
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Thats the problem. With the money that you buy a Tenergy you can buy 2 BF at TTnPP ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC FH: T05 BH: Roundell |
Posted By: PedramTT
Date Posted: 08/05/2012 at 12:17pm
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anyone knows the weight difference between M1 M2 M3 is the M2 & M3 has significantly lighter weight than M1 is the topsheet (pimple structure) of all the three the same or they are different ? Thanks. Pedram ------------- The movement which is the existence of the universe is the movement of love. Ibn 'Arabi, Fusûs al-Hikam |
Posted By: virtuososiu
Date Posted: 08/05/2012 at 2:27pm
| im interested to know also, any comparison to other rubbers would be great |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 08/05/2012 at 3:21pm
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M1 is the heaviest rubber I've measured at 0.26 g/cm2. Most of the weight is in the topsheet, so M2 is probably only 2g lighter than M1. ------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/07/2012 at 8:46pm
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I bought the m2 and its pretty similar to 05 for the second day of play. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/08/2012 at 6:03pm
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I had asked this on the other forum (no answer) - I'll ask it here again if someone knows: Do M1, M2 and M3 have the same topsheet?
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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 09/08/2012 at 6:12pm
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M2 and M1 are same.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: Nagatito
Date Posted: 09/08/2012 at 6:14pm
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Same topsheet diferent sponge (only hardness) ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ALC FH: T05 BH: Roundell |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 09/08/2012 at 6:15pm
M1 and M3 are the same. However the black topsheet seems grippier than the red. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or it's just me. ------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/08/2012 at 6:21pm
Thanks!
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:25am
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Slevin sorry, for the late reply if you were talking about me, but I answered all your questions in a reply. As for m2 I am overly excited about this being finally the replacement for t05 I have been looking for. I will post more ideas after I play real players. But on the robot front I am finding since t05 came out, this is the closest rubber to change out side of the tenergy range. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:56am
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what is the uncut (or cut - on waht blade?) weight of m2 and m3? ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: chameleon77
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 1:00am
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will definitely try this combo (M2/M3) on my donic waldner black devil... ------------- Ma Lin Carbon ST FH: Acuda S3 max BH: Joola Turbo 2.0 STIGA Offensive Classic FH: Acuda S2 max BH: 802-40 max |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 8:48am
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unfortunately I had no battery for my scales but it feels a touch heavier than my 64 but that might be because it is cut full size. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 9:15am
Hi bozbrisvegas, no I was actually referring to the other Bluefire thread on this forum. Thanks for answering those questions in your forum - very useful. I know that you have your hands full with M2, but I hope you acquire an M1 as well sometime soon - as I would love to see your comparison between the two. It is quite possible that the M1 is just as spinny as M2 but faster / more lethal in loop-drives and smashes. So, I wonder whether you'd ever like it given that you like playing from a bit away from the table. Though, I must imagine that one might find the M1 a bit less forgiving due to the slightly harder sponge. BTW: what robot model is that in your video?
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Posted By: ojej
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 9:45am
nice roller boz 
i've played about one month m1 on spark and tested m2 / m3 too and m1 has much harder sponge topsheet seems to be the same... i think bluefire m1 is tunned after few sessions feels a little bit dead but when it's fresh m1 has a lot of power specially as for speed and spin in mid distance
 disadvantage is weight too heavy for me see below weight of m1 and few other rubbers (sorry but i don't have pics m2/m3...)bluefire m1 2,2
 t25 2,1
 spinart 2,1
 t05 2,1
 rasant 2,1
 aurus 2,1
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Posted By: myali
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:11pm
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I recently got a sheet of red M2 in 2.0. Uncut weight was 68 grams. The final cut weight to YEO was 48 grams. I also have a sheet of black M1 in 2.0 which I have not opened yet. I am a little hesitant in trying M1 as it may be a little harder and faster for me. So far with the M2 and YEO combination, it is working pretty good. I practiced with it for two hours. The drives are accurate. The loops are spinny and have a lot more power away from the table also. Counterlooping was not that difficult although I was coming from hexer duro with has a much lower throw. It did need some adjustment but after a while it seemed good. It is a little fast but hopefully I'll get used to it soon. I was curious how M3 would be. I am interested in reading about it. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53548&title=buy-sell-feedback-myali" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:35pm
I've used M2 and M3 on the same blade for 2 weeks now. M3 is easier to use in the loop - you can really get the sponge working for you. With very little effort, you can get monster sidespin on your loops. M2 feels a bit more solid, better for blocking IMO, still great spin from the topsheet. I'm going to try M3 on a harder blade next. It's got amazing gears - I think it can cope with a faster, harder blade more than the last gen of tensors. It's a bit mushy on the LSW at the moment, so I'm moving it to a Virtuoso+ ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:39pm
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AndySmith, how is the bite on M2????? and is the sponge on the M2 Medium or Medium+ 9same hardness of say Rasant????
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:43pm
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I have used the M1 in Max and I really liked it but the weight was a bit too heavy (not really a problem) but the shrinkage was phenomenal. Just wondering about M2 and how much I may loose in in the all out drive department and I really do not want a mushy feeling rubber.
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:49pm
The M2 was great, if you could get into the sponge. Which wasn't THAT difficult. But I did have a few loops on the M2 which went straight into the net, like the grip had given up. My forehand loop can get a bit "brushy" sometimes (years of H3 use). I didn't have that problem with M3 - it played really well, all of the time. My M3 was black, and M2 was red, so I'm starting to wonder if the red topsheet is slightly less grippy than the black. It's been very humid recently too, so maybe the grip gives up a bit easier on the red? Or it could just be that M3's softness makes looping easier, so I can get away with more brushy shots. About the hardness - I'd say Rasant was somewhere in between M2 and M1 in hardness, so M2 is a touch softer. M2 definitely throws higher than Rasant, if that's any use to you. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 12:51pm
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Yes it is and thanks a lot. ------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: myali
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 1:14pm
Is it as mushy as Rakza 7 soft? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53548&title=buy-sell-feedback-myali" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 5:48pm
No, I'd say the feel is a bit harder than that. I think the problem is the "dwell" of the BF. It has an unusual feel of grabbing the ball, and then letting go. Added to the soft feel of the LSW, it's all a bit "fuzzy". On the V+, much better. Had a great session tonight with it. The R7S is bouncier, so although it's softer, it didn't feel as washed out as the BF did on the LSW. That's a lot of acronyms, but you get the idea. Comparing R7S to BF on the LSW is like comparing a classical electron to a quantum electron. One is definitely there, and one is sort of meeehhhhh everywhere.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 8:23pm
I am definitely looking forward to your impressions! |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 10:11pm
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for close to table play even M1 feels soft compared to hexer hd or vega pro or chinese rubbers... or even baracuda. i struggle to understand how you manage to play with something even softer than M1... it would constantly push me back from the table, if i were to play with it. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Carbon TT
Date Posted: 09/10/2012 at 11:43pm
The player controls the racket, not the other way around  ------------- Primorac Carbon MX-P | EL-P |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 3:48am
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nah!! ... after some time the racket makes the player play the game that it is good for. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 5:31am
That's the topsheet feel - the sponge is quite hard in reality. I know what you're saying, but M3 is the first soft tensor I've used that plays great over the table as well. The low gear really helps in the short(er) game, even though the throw is high. For me, it plays far better on a harder blade. But this is just a personal preference. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 9:41am
+1. In doubles tonight I was giving very little away with service, service return and pushes in general. I was able to kee pushes short and/orspinny making it very hard for our opponents to open the game. Not sure what my sig says ATM but thats M3 max both sides on Aratox. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 12:16pm
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Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 12:47pm
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Not sure, however petermoo swears that the black S1 regular is much spinnier than the red. Maybe that may translate to the the Turbo version as well as the M1. I have a trick (works for me anyway), these new generation rubbers and in particular the Acuda S1 Turbo, I will glue it up and attach to blade and cut then play with it for about 2 days (can use a robot). I then take it off and put it aside for a couple of weeks (It is like aging wine/rubber) and reglue and attach back to the blade. Trust me it is a completely different animal after most of the tuning as dissipated.
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: LaRedoute
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 1:22pm
| carryboy, do you find a rubber better after tunnig effect disappear? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 1:53pm
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carryboy .... I absolutely agree with you !!! i think petermoo must have taken a new sheet and tried it.. so did i. and i had taken it off my blade. but after a while when i paste it again.. now it plays way better... and spinnier. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 1:56pm
| Noobie question: does taking it off the blade have anything to do with the dissipating of the tuning effect? Or does it happen after a set amount of time after the rubber has been opened from packaging, cut and started being used? |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 1:56pm
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For me yes on some of these new generation tensors. There is an enormous amount of the tuning stuff that they use that even the top sheet feels slick. These rubbers are fast wild out of the pack, like a wild card "unpredictable"
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 2:00pm
I take it off because more than likely I would have another rubber using in the mean time. I do this like a few weeks before I know I will need to change my rubbers. ------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 2:01pm
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i differ here with carryboy .... i think the tuning goes off even if you keep it pasted on the blade. may be at a slower pace due to less surface area exposed to air. however it is good idea to re-paste it after that.. because losing tuning means changes in dimension... so there will be stress in the rubber...and it will play unpredictably. when you repaste it releases that stress. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 2:18pm
i think he's just saying that he would rather use a rubber that doesnt need to dissipate tuning while he waits for the BF to dissipate its tuning (i.e. doesnt want to use a rubber that has weird tuning on it)
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Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 2:47pm
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Hey debraj, I just noticed your sig............... "god loves child abusers, hates gays, and outspoken women, and he needs your money !! http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52129&PN=2#top">  " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is so funny.....................................------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: LaRedoute
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 3:07pm
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i adore fresh tensors spin, speed and ball feeling are outstanding.. and my results are exellent with fresh glued new rubbers
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 3:13pm
Dhonnobad Debraj! Follow-up noobie question: can we remove and re-paste immediately or do we have to keep rubber aside for a couple of days before repasting on blade?
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 3:40pm
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carryboy: thanks a ton. he he... it was actually in response to the member "nexy"s signature line.. otherwise i don;t enjoy talking or offending personal beliefs or agendas in public forum. but it cant be different rules for different people. :) laredhoute: i used to love that too, till the generation before the bludefires. slevin: wow!! you surprised me. where you from? ... i think its good idea to leave the rubber for an hour or so just to allow it some time to recover from the stressed condition. but 'days' would be a overkill. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 3:56pm
Thanks! Sent you a PM...
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 5:09pm
Cheers, Amicus 3000 - the first model, expensive as hell but without a doubt it gave me $2900 worth of coaching in almost 10 years I used it. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 5:16pm
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After day 1 of play with old 05 one side and m2 the other against players day 2 I got m2 both sides. The black seems grippier but it is a few days newer. It also looks shinier and glossier but that could be the black mirror effect. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 7:47pm
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boz: when is www.bluefireM2.com coming up? ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 10:45pm
| Very interesting indeed. I think I will also have to get a sheet of the M2. |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/12/2012 at 12:50am
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/12/2012 at 3:05am
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 4:48pm
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My bat is m2 red brand new first time playing against a person. old tenergy 05 black. My friend's bat is medium old 05, very old barracuda reverse bh this was the first time using the rubber to compare it. I will soon upload another where I have double m2 - which I didn't like as much. I like m2 on forehand for now... not sure bout bh ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 10:45pm
| Thanks for the update. |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 6:25am
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I am using Hurrican Hao 656 Cpen with TG3 black now. Would like to get Hao III Cpen and asking for advise if any (M1, M2 or M3 black) will suit this blade's FH best. BTW I am a looper rather than hitter. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: Anderni
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 6:48am
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From what seems to be an ITTF racket control list, Martin Olejnik played Bluefire M2 both sides during the Czech Open. You can see his match vs Wang Zeng Yi of Poland (very good player, has beaten Kishikawa and Süss, took Chuang Chih-yuan to 7 sets) on http://ittf.com/ittv/ - http://ittf.com/ittv/ Open the Czech Open video tree, the match is in the main round but just do a browser search (typically ctrl-f) for Olejnik and you'll find the game. |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 1:12pm
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I am contemplating ... ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27730&title=feedback-tsanyc - My Feedback
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 1:52pm
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from the video it seems he hasn't adjusted to the rubbers completely yet. and also it looks kinda bouncy for the FH short game, service return etc. i am ordering one for my BH though. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 2:14pm
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Should I try the M2, Hmmmmmmmmmmm, should I or should I not, Should I or should I not!!
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: spin_whisperer
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 2:22pm
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Do it! ------------- Equipment H3 Provincial\Timo Boll Spirit ST/Sigma Europe |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 5:45pm
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It's strength is forehand power counterlooping. On backhand I felt it was still excellent to get the ball back away from the table, but seems to missing something that 64 or 05 have at that distance when on the backhand. I am definately still adjusting to it. The above video unfortunately doesn't show the stuff I'd like to. My opponent would be too embarrassed. The thing I am very sure about right now is that it doesn't counter loop over the table or near the table very well at all, so I end up blocking too much. I wonder what m3 would be like at the table for counterlooping with backhand. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 5:49pm
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I just had a thought, since I think they are faster than 05, I will stick them on an all round blade. Should bring the spin speed ratio closer to comfortable.
------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 6:22pm
You can see my setup in my sig. Haven't been using it that long yet but still of the three singles games I played in comp last night 2 of the players could not consistently land my openers/loops on the table period. The thrid player was able to but only with very soft blocks. Anything he tried to hit flew out 95% of the time. I would say close to the table performance is great with this setup. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 8:12pm
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boz, what blade are you using with the M2????
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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 12:11am
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Wow boz, some of those loops looked bloody ridiculous, like you were painting a mountain. I think I understand why you don't like it on the backhand, too much sticky lift, not enough forward angle for small strokes/bh. Here is what I've compiled from the info from this thread. M1=plays like a hard T05 M2=plays like T05(a tad softer) M3=plays like a soft H3
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Posted By: Prowler
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 1:20pm
| I'm borrowing the thread a little (already too many BF threads in here). I would like someone to compare the M3 with calibra lt sound or magna tc, if possible? |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 1:24pm
I've used lt sound. M3 is slower in all gears, feels slightly harder, has a lot more spin, higher throw. M3 is much better for looping. Calibra has the edge for blocking and hitting, but not by much. |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 1:41pm
| As long as we're threadjacking, how would the m2 and m3 compare to the vega pro? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 1:58pm
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softer, faster, same spin, better feel .. and higher durability.:) ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 2:20pm
Are you responding to the comparison to Vega Pro? If so are you referring to the m2, m3 or both? And how much softer? As soft as Vega Europe? I'm disappointed that it doesn't have more spin, but like idea of better durability and feel. I don't really need the faster though.
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Posted By: Prowler
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 4:04pm
What blade did you use lt sound on? Do you use the same blade now? |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/19/2012 at 4:22pm
Lt sound was on a Samsonov Alpha, and before that a Nexy Calix. Bluefire is on OSP Virtuoso+.
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Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 12:09am
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Andy
In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting? Which is better black or red?
thx
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Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 1:38am
Alot of ppl have thought that the red topsheet has less grip than black. With that in mind you could expect the normal differences such as slightly lower throw, slightly less spin and slightly less sensitivity to incoming spin. I have M3 both sides and can't pick the difference. I would say decide what you want more and pick that color. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 1:47am
damn i agree, the durability thing is a big plus for me, but i still need more spin i know lots of ppl say baracuda has tons of spin, how does m2/m3 compare to baracuda in spin?
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 3:03am
Yes, M2 has a good hit and block. M3 isn't bad at these either, but the extra softness moves it more to the looping end of the spectrum. M2's hardness is the closest to T05's. I thought the black had more grip when running my finger across it, but I couldn't feel any difference during play. Still not sure if there's any real difference between the colours.
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Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 9:35am
I never bother with tests that don't involve normal play. Things like the ball bounces x number of times or this far or this feels like it has more friction that that etc.... The only real test is to hit with it and compare. I have M3on both sides and if I twiddle I wouldn't pick which side I had just hit with. Its possible that "IF" there is a difference the softer sponge of M2 and M3 would help hide it so with that in mind I suggest pick the color that you either need and don't worry, or get the color that better suits what you prefer (slightly higher/lower grip). BTW: on the subject of Barra VS Mx. Barra has more topsheet grip than any other Donic rubber. So you can expect more spin from it, easier lifting of underspin, and difficult block/counter loop compared to M2. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 9:42am
So the black M2 plays like T05, is that right?
Thx
Tsa
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 10:42am
My lawyer-friendly reply is that M2 plays the most like T05. It's not a clone. It feels the closest of the three BF's in terms of sponge hardness. All three BF's have some of Tenergy's qualities, especially when looping. That's it's strength. I always had trouble adapting to Tenergy's low-speed bounce and spin reactivity. BF is much better here. The trade-off is that BF lacks the effect Tenergy has on slow loops - you have to put more effort in with BF for those. To me, this makes it a better fit for my game. I can open with a strong loop against backspin, and then I get the big arcs of Tenergy in the middle-range looping game. Also, the low speed control makes serving short a lot easier than Tenergy, pushing is easier (fewer pop-ups for me), hitting seems more stable. And it's half the price. If you're used to Tenergy, then you've probably adapted to suit its characteristics already. You might find that BF's lack of liveliness in the short game is a negative point.
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Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 11:55am
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thx ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27730&title=feedback-tsanyc - My Feedback
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Posted By: myali
Date Posted: 09/20/2012 at 11:59am
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A lot of ppl compare M2 being closest to tenergy 05. I play M2 and I like it a lot. Haven't played 05 so can't compare. How would you rate M3 in comparison to M2. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53548&title=buy-sell-feedback-myali" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 09/29/2012 at 2:48pm
If this is correct, thank you  ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 09/29/2012 at 2:49pm
What about vs Magna TC? ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/29/2012 at 3:07pm
To me this is the essence of M2 (the only BF I have tried). It does not feel exactly like T05, but if you like T05 you can play almost exactly the same way with M2 and you play just as well immediately. There is almost no adjustment required. I can't say that about any of the other "alternatives" that I've tried. |
Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 1:13pm
Fully agree with Baal here. M2 feels quite different from T05, but plays fairly similarly. I would tend to say that serving is a tad better with the M2 and blocking is a bit easier. Overall the M2 feeling is less crisp. I also tend to say that the M2 is superior to the M1 in many aspects of the game. The top-sheet and the slightly softer sponge harmonize much better in my opinion. Downside of the Bluefire's is the weight. The M2 in max weights 1-2 gr more than a T05 cut to a standard Butterfly blade. I put them on a spare Boll ALC and with the blade at 89 gr the racket comes in at 190 gr.  |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 1:35pm
High Arc, could you go into a little more depth on M1 vs M2. You say M2 is superior, would that be on forehand or backhand? What aspects of the game would M2>M1? And what aspects if any, M1>M2?
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Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 2:09pm
I would say that M1 is better (I dislike this word when comparing equipment, because it is always a personal preference; here I use better in the sense better for me) in the open game whenever you can use full strokes. With the M1 I always had the impression that the top-sheet and the sponge do not really work together for serve/return and simply speaking for any kind of slow shot. This is why I always thought that the Tenergy's are superior to the M1; The Tenergy's are more linear/precise at delicate shots as compared to the M1 (For serve/return I think that nothing can beat Chinese rubbers like BW and H3). A simple example is when my serves drift slightly long and the opponent opens with a lot of topspin: With M1, I either get too much bite or the ball slips. With T05, the ball always bites heavily and control is linear. With T64, the ball always bites, but to a lesser extent than with T05, and it is easier to control the ball. M2 behaves pretty much like T64 here, if not even better. Something similar happens when the serve of the opponent drifts slightly long. I have not come across a rubber that works that fine for starting that kind of point as the M2. I think that the M2 is slightly easier to use as compared to T05 and T64 while maintaining most of its benefits. Overall, I tend to say that the Tenergy's still have the edge at the highest level of competition (say world top 1000), while the M2 is better for the bulk of table tennis players. Summarizing my answer of your question: The M2 is better than the M1 for both forehand and backhand for all kind of shots that are not supposed to directly end the point. And even for some of the shots that are supposed to directly end the point, the ball may land on the table with the M2 while you may get an unexpected trajectory from the M1. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 3:01pm
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Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 4:30pm
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For some reason or perhaps a bad batch - my red sheet of M2 was very slow and different than the black sheet. I did order blk from European distributor vs red from American distributor. ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 10/21/2012 at 5:48pm
Thanks as always for the detailed explanations. Since, I love T64 on BH, I'm thinking I'll love M2 even more. I have this feeling that M1-M2 may work better in 1.8-2.0, since you say that the M1 sponge and topsheet don't have much synergy, and behaves unexpectedly.
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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 10/22/2012 at 10:57am
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I think M2 is harder to control than T05 and T64. I tried M2 thinking it would be a viable replacement for 64, but for me its not. I had M2 on one side and T05 on the other side of my TB ZLF (usually 64 on the bh), and I had to turn the paddle around and start using 05 on the bh just to stay in the match. Standing 20 feet from the table, there are similarities between 64 and M2 but closer than that they are different rubbers. M2 is better than the Calibra rubbers in the spin dept, but it still suffers from the same problem of all the new rubbers other than Tenergy. Too bouncy. Going from brand new 05 or 64 to M2 and my (albeit flawed) over the table/at the table game went straight downhill. I couldn't keep pushes short, etc. 64 can be a beast on fast blades, but its really controllable on a TB ZLF, a good match. M2 made my ZLF feel like a Kreanga Carbon. Felt like there was only 1 gear. **** I don't want to dog M2. Its certainly legit. In fact I recently ordered M3. I like characteristics of M2 but its too fast, and although its medium sponge, the ball doesn't sit on the rubber long enough to tell. M3 might be more of what I'm looking for. M2 benefits: • Spin, if you can overcome the bouncy power. But definitely better spin than any of the Calibra's, for example, compared to its power ratio. • M2's sponge is flat like Tenergy, not curled like other tensors. • M2's sponge has a heavyish, substantial feeling, which I like. Not the airy feeling like many tensors and modern rubbers. • Good topsheet. Better than most modern rubbers. **** Maybe I just need to try it on more blades, but M2 is a rocket. Too fast for me. While 64 has more gears on reasonably powered blades like ZLF. ------------- 
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