Suspicious Timo Boll Spirit?
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Topic: Suspicious Timo Boll Spirit?
Posted By: ttping85
Subject: Suspicious Timo Boll Spirit?
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 4:44pm
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Hi tt community, I am about to buy a blade but before deciding I wanted to have your opinion on the blade. Is there anything that looks suspicious to you? Butterfly tag? Layers? Design? JTTA inscription? Headsize? Thanks for your help! http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=968481P10303711.jpg">  http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=397093P10303721.jpg">  http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=642519P10303731.jpg">  http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=238549P10303741.jpg">
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Posted By: gnopgnipster
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 5:13pm
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GOOGLE Timo Boll Spirit and you will see a link to "images for timo boll spirit" Open that link and you will see many pics that you can compare. CHEERS! ------------- Hardbat: Valor Champion/FH/BH-Valor Premier-OX Regular:Valor Big Stick FH-Apollo II & BH-Globe 979 OX |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 5:21pm
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well you can imagine that I did that already. I also had quite a few Boll Spirit blades in my hands but I have my reasons to have some doubts about this blade and I thought some people more expert than me on this forum could help to see if there is anything wrong or not. So your opinion about this would be much more helpful. Please also post if you don't see anything wrong with it. Thanks ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: tabten5
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 5:50pm
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The black BTY has, from what I can see, quite clearly been tampered with. In the first picture, it looks slightly wonky and, more importantly, seems to overlap the top of the JTTA brand. Butterfly themselves are never that sloppy (I've never seen that, anyway). So, my tentative conclusion: either the badge has been removed and put back on for some reason, or it's not original to that blade. Of course, I could be wrong [disclaimer]. ------------- T05 2.1 | VISCARIA | T64 1.9 |
Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 5:59pm
It's the real thing, but given that it must be really cheap, why are you asking? |
ttping85 wrote:Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 6:36pm
So the blade is original but maybe not the badge, right? ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 6:39pm
I am asking because the guy who is selling said in his thread that it was in bad condition (it doesn't seem that bad on the pics) and because he is selling it a bit lower than a usual price for an old metal tag blade.
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Posted By: jatienza930
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 7:02pm
The black butterfly tag seem to be not aligned which is highly unusual for a bty blade. They always have very good QC's, their badges(silver, newer ones) will always be aligned in the center. You can stack up all your bty blades and their badges will always be aligned. I have not seen a fake TBS, Im not sure if its possible that the tag fell off and the owner decided to nail it back. Just my 2 cents  ------------- BTY TBS FL T05 T64 My Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56638&KW=jen&title=jatienza930-buy-sell-feedback |
Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 01/14/2013 at 7:30pm
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It's a genuine TBS and I had 3, just like that one. One of them was also damaged in the same way as that one too.
The reason it's cheap is because of the missing bits of top ply around the edges, on the backhand; make it illegal, for use in ITTF competitions. If you're not planning on using it in official USATT or ITTF competitions; then I wouldn't worry about the damage, as most local league players are unlikely to inspect your bat and if they do; in all likelihood, it is to see what rubbers you are using on the blade. |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 1:27pm
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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 4:23am
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Thanks everybody! I hope to get the blade soon and let you know. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: Vihito
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 4:31am
| The blade is fake, please don't buy it. |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 4:59am
Can you explain? ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: Vihito
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 5:12am
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Well I have seen many old BTY blades but not one has the JTTA stamp crossing the badge. The middle ply looks suspiciously big for a TBS, the arylate carbon just doesn't look right (where the top ply is chipped off). The blade looks heavily used. |
Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 7:39am
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The reason I think it's a genuine blade is as follows:
1) The blade face looks exactly the same as my old my 94 gram straight handle TBS; which had faded writing and no serial number. In my case, the previous owner was a former international player and the faded writing was attributed to repeated speed gluing of rubbers. 2) The lack of a serial number on the blade face shows it's an early series TBS. 3) My old 94 gram TBS also had damage to the top ply and you could see some of the blue arylate, black carbon weave of the composite layer. The weave on both blades is the same. 4) The TBS is a mass produced blade and it can be obtained in a range of weights. In the case of my 4 TBS's; I noticed that the core of my 96 gram TBS; was slightly thicker than my two 91 gram TBS's. 5) If you enlarge the photo to full size and look more closely; you can see it actually reads "WORLD-LEADING QUALITY BLADES". What does look odd is the handle looking cleaner than it should be for a heavily used blade and the badge being attached incorrectly. I had to think this one through and the answer I think is : 1) To make the blade more saleable, the owner has lightly sanded the handle to remove the dulled colour caused by sweat; which makes it looker cleaner. The signs are : a) If you enlarge the picture and look closely at the lens on the forehand side; you'll notice that there are striation marks on the top of the lens; which is consistent with sanding around the handle. b) The top of the handle on the backhand side is a darker, duller colour than the rest of the handle and that is the colour I would expect to see on the handle of a heavily used TBS handle. c) The reason for the badge being incorrectly lined up is because the owner has removed it, so that that he/she could sand the end of the handle too and the clue is in the bottom right hand side, where he/she missed a bit and that is darker than the rest. d) Like any badge that is nailed on, sometimes you cannot put a pin back into the original hole because it has become enlarged enough for the pin not to grip and that means creating a fresh hole, to secure the badge. |
Posted By: tabten5
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 12:00pm
Absolutely spot on. ------------- T05 2.1 | VISCARIA | T64 1.9 |
Posted By: Vihito
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 12:32pm
| On second look, you are right about the sign, sorry about that. But I would never buy nor recommend someone to buy a "Butterfly" blade with quality issues. |
Posted By: Gauguin
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 2:14pm
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Have you check this???
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=49735&PN=1&title=timo-boll-spiritst-with-old-black-butterfly-logo |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 8:36pm
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So far I have not seen any fake ST handle Butterfly yet as ST is not popular in China. As for ttping85's TBS pics, besides the crooked badge, there is nothing wrong with it. Below is another thread about fake TBS, too bad many pics are offline but you can still tell the fake from real easily. It simply got different handle and face shape. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37501&PID=461274 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37501&PID=461274 ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 01/17/2013 at 12:45am
Why don't you say: it's a product of Photoshop? If you look at it carefully, you'll find out many clues (shade, scale, perspective point,..) to claim that is an unreal picture! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 01/17/2013 at 1:31am
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It looks good to me. I only look at the Arylate-Carbon layer and not anything else. Still, I think it's a genuine TBS.
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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 01/17/2013 at 7:29am
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Thanks a lot for all your input and especially Peter C. for your very detailed explanation. For those who asked I already checked all the pics and threads online I could find but it didn't really help me as I fell that my (future) blade was a less clear case as you can also notice from the different answer I get, even though majority confirms that it is genuine but might have some problems (mostly the badge) Anyway thanks a lot again. I knew that I could get some help from experts here on this forum. I will keep you updated. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 02/13/2013 at 5:59am
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I got the blade and it looks and plays wonderfully like a genuine Spirit Old tag. Thanks again everybody! ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |