What non-Butterfly rubber feels the most Like T05?
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Topic: What non-Butterfly rubber feels the most Like T05?
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Subject: What non-Butterfly rubber feels the most Like T05?
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 11:36am
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I'd like to know what non-Butterfly rubber feels the most like T05. Forget how it plays, just I want to talk about how it feels. I have limited rubber ej'ing experience except for cheap Chinese stuff, none of which feels like T05 to me. I do have a friend who has an Andro Zylon Kiso-Hinoki blade with T05 on it, so I have hit with T05 a few times. As I think Baal says, it has a somewhat "mushy," or I might call it "dwelly" feeling to me, but I'm not sure how much of that is rubber vs. blade. The only other rubber/blade combination I have had a brief hit with that feels somewhat similar to me is a Stratus Power Wood with Sigma Europe on it. It had a similar "dwelly" feeling to me. Again, not sure how much of that was rubber vs. blade. I am a low level player, so perhaps that also influences my perception of Sigma Europe feeling like T05. Perhaps a higher level player might think they feel less alike than I perceive them to be. I'm just curious. I know I've read lots of people say nothing feels like T05. I'm just asking for the closest in feel. And, again not closest in play. |
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Posted By: VladiTT
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 11:38am
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Rakza 7 soft feels like t05fx
------------- forum_posts.asp?TID=51548 - my feedback |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 12:17pm
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Sigma II Pro I think feels like T05 Omega IV Euro feels like T05FX |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 1:22pm
I don't think so. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
VladiTT wrote:Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 1:32pm
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Xiom Vega Asia (feels very like T05, with more control) Hexer Plus (feels very like T05, with huge control)
Donic Bluefire m1-m3 (not the best to increase your level with, because it doesn't have as much control as the two above) |
Posted By: gnopgnipster
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 1:41pm
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Yinhe Apollo I
------------- Hardbat: Valor Champion/FH/BH-Valor Premier-OX Regular:Valor Big Stick FH-Apollo II & BH-Globe 979 OX |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 2:26pm
This where things get interesting to me. I have just recently bought a sheet of M3 (my first tensor) and put it on the FH side of my K-6, which is a fairly hard and stiff blade. M3 on the K-6 feels nothing like T05 to me. None of that "dwelly" feeling. Makes me start to wonder if the feeling I'm talking about comes more from the blade than the rubber.  |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 2:28pm
It seems that Evo MX-S will feel exactly like T05. The only reason Tibhar do not manufacture it is that they got bribed by BTY not to release it. 
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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 2:48pm
Evo series is made in Japan ? ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 3:00pm
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Even if made at ESN, they will not admit it.
"I am using now Evolution MX-S red / MX-P red (forehand) and Evolution MX-P black (backhand), blade is still Butterfly Boll ALC (I did not yet try a new blade of Tibhar and to be honest: I am not the best friend of Tibhar blades). My rubbers before: Tenergy 05 (forehand) and Tenergy 64 (backhand)."
"MX-S is a hard-sponge version for players who have a good hand- & arm-acceleration and have a little bit longer movement-technique. The own catapult of the MX-S version is a little bit less than the MX-P version, so the speed, maximum-spin and power comes more from your acceleration of your body (you "activate" the rubber with your longer and faster technique)." - Walee76
Hopefully, they will release it soon. Until then, MX-P is the best rubber on the market for those who'd like to replace their T05.
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 4:09pm
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To be honest, nothing teally feels like T05. To me, the LKT Red Diamond have come the closest in feeling, but some people claim that it is hard as a brick. As for ESN (Tensor) none of those I have tried comes even close to the feeling of T05, they all feel way to bouncy compared to T05.
Then again, the "newer" T05 feels softer then the "older" T05, but still nothing like a Tensor, according to me. I remember back when Andro Hexer was released, some people claimed it to be a perfect substitue for T05. Well, I strongly disagree, according to me, Hexer is a totally different animanl then T05. I love T05 and if money wasn't an issue, I would use it, but I hated Hexer, one of the worst rubbers I have ever played with. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 4:32pm
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If you a low level player , just get some coaching and buy Globe 999 forehand and focus111 snipe on the backhand and practice, I can't see the point in trying to get the "feel" of a rubber when you are a novice. if you end up with a spiny fast Japanese /Euro rubber when you play better players you won't control the ball ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 5:01pm
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I said I'm a low level player (probably 1200-1300 US). I didn't say I was a novice (I played quite a bit when I was young - a long time ago, but I have played started playing again recently). I do recognize the need to get coaching, since I have never had any. I actually have F3S on both sides all my blades except the K-6 at the moment. I don't expect the equipment to make the difference. I do realize that getting some good coaching is more important to my development than any rubber selection. But I'm still interested in this inquiry, so please don't piss on my thread. Thank you. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 5:21pm
LOL! Great answer! It seems to be a trend here that as soon as someone asks questions about equipment, someone always have to state that practice/coaching is more important. Honestly, I do think that we all know that there is no such thing as a holy graal when it comes to equipment, it can still be both fun and useful to mess around with. With that said, it can not be underestimated how important it actually is to "know" your equipment. I've stayed with the same blade for a couple of years now, changeing the rubbers less frequently then I used to, and I must say that the progress made by this are amazing. I feel much more comfortable with my set up now then I did back in the days when I changed blade/rubbers every 3-6 months. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 5:55pm
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The closest you can get in feel and spin but slower is tibhar genius that is the one I tried years ago. They say tibhar aurus is an upgraded version of genius but can't confirm it coz I never tried it. ------------- Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/02/2013 at 11:50pm
| Truth is, nothing I have tried feels much like T05. But so far I like MX-P almost as much. But it doesn't really feel the same, still very good indeed. As Imago says, MX-S may be the thing eventually. |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 1:39am
------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 1:40am
Baal, have you tried Sigma Europe? |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 9:23am
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About T05 being mushy, you can add several layers of Haifu or Glue and Spin (water based glue made in Indonesia) which is better than Haifu.
------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 9:33am
@Smackman - sorry if I got a bit defensive above. 
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 1:35pm
no worries mate, as Speedplay says there are always going to be people who seen and been what you are looking for, but then try and tell you what they think you should be looking for lol Finding the equipment that best suits your style and target style is important, but some helpful coaching advice will give you that a-haa moment and be useful for the next 20 years ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 5:53pm
Sorry, have never tried. There are actually a ton of ESN rubbers I never tried, mainly because between Andro, Joola, Donic, Xiom etc, there are so many out there. None of the ones I have tried feel very much at all like T05, though. That does not mean they are bad rubbers. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 6:15pm
Actually, the mushy feel is what I like about it. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 7:37pm
I bet that a-haa moment will come when he realises that there ain't no substitute for T05 
All these T05 replacement treads makes me smile, cause, how long have Tenergy been out now? I've read so many reviews about rubbers being better then Tenergy, but these treads remains and it seems as Tenergy is still the benchmark that new rubbers try to compete with. I hate to admit it, but it seems Butterfly got it right with Tenergy. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 7:54pm
------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 8:28pm
Ofcourse we have different requirments, that's why Tenergy comes in 05, 25, 64 and 80, then add fx to that and you have something for everyone ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/03/2013 at 9:28pm
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ok Karate kid, (I remember your arguments against a few years ago ) So brainstorm69 why do you want a rubber to feel like 05? but other attributes like spin are not important? ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 2:40am
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I was also searching for a cheaper replacement of T05. It would be better to stay on T05 because I have spent more money and time on searching for the replacement. I also destroyed my performance due to frequent changes. Of course I returned to T05. T05 is better and lasts longer than the others. After some time T05 needs some... VOC or boosting help and it performs as new again. CONSEQUENTLY , SINCE YOU LIKE TENERGY 05 STAY ON IT, YOU WILL SAVE YOUR MONEY, TIME, PATIENCE AND GOOD PERFORMANCE. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 2:54am
@ Me? Cause I had my doubts before I tried T05, then I hayed it when I first played with it, but from the second time around, it was pure love
Back on topic, when these treads where "new" I seem to remember Moon being highly recommended as a cheap alternative to T05, how about that, is that still valid ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 4:48am
The closest thing in feel is maybe Donic Bluefire M2 or one of the Tibhar Evolution series, but nothing feels quite like T05. Spring sponge technology is truly an innovation, no matter what people say. Now, if you want something that plays like T05 but is an older generation tensor, the best relatively cheap thing that I would recommend is Donic Baracuda or Andro Hexer. Both have incredibly high throw but are just not as fast as T05. However, the extra control from Hexer and Baracuda means that your loops will stay on the table loaded with spin and both are beasts in the short game - the topsheet grip for Baracuda allows you to take just about anything within the table with a brush stroke.
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 8:14am
I just like the way it feels. The other attributes are important, but I figured once I found out what rubber(s) "feel like Tenergy," then I could compare the other attributes of each. I want to focus on just the feel, otherwise this thread is exactly the same as every other "what rubber plays like Tenergy" thread, and doesn't give me the information I want. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 8:56am
So, what information is it that you want? I think that we all agree on the fact that nothing really feels like Tenergy. Some people claim there are rubbers that feels better, play better or whatever, but the Tenergy feeling is kind of unique. Cheap substitues have been recommended ever since Tenergy was released, but there is still no cheap substitue that actually feels and plays the same as Tenergy. That seems to be the information here, although it might not be the information you want. I changed to LKT Red Diamond and felt I could play the same strokes without to much adjustment, other's claims they are miles apart. Some people claim that Hexer plays the same as T05, to me, Hexer was totaly different to T05 and I really couldn't stand playing with it. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 10:58am
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Unfortunately, T05 is unique. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/04/2013 at 9:59pm
I understand that nothing feels exactly like T05. The question is just what people think feels the closest to T05 as far as that "dwelly" feeling. As I mentioned in my original post, I have played with T05 on an Andro Supreme Zylon Hinoki blade, and Sigma Europe on another player's Stratus Power Wood. I feel like they felt similar, but I'm also not sure to what extent that similar feeling was caused by the two soft blades each was on. I would not call any of my blades soft. Probably the softest blade I own is a Butterfly Phalanx II, which is really a medium hardness blade. So maybe I need to explore a softer blade also to get that feeling. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 02/05/2013 at 11:41am
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I think the Donic Bluefire rubber comes closest to playing similar to Tenergy. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |