Tenergy 80-FX coming...
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Topic: Tenergy 80-FX coming...
Posted By: Pondus
Subject: Tenergy 80-FX coming...
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 8:53am
Not that it would have taken Nostradamus to predict this one, but I just noticed in the latest ITTF LARC report that Butterfly will be releasing Tenergy 80-FX... Here's a link to the entire report, should anyone be intereted: http://www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/LARC_34.pdf - http://www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/LARC_34.pdf |
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Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:09am
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Other new rubbers of interest include: Tibhar 5Q+  and the MAXXX series from Joola  |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:18am
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Bty needs to come up with a new sponge. MX or something. Reg can be a bit hard for BH, but the FX sponge is total crap. It's a totally different product, much lower quality. It is too soft and no throw. I need something that in hardness is between the reg and the FX. For now for BH i need to get the reg and tune it with just 1 layer to soften a little but i hate tunning cos its not consistent and make the rubber so heavy. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:49am
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I found T64-FX to be OK on the BH side, but it did have an overall "unstable" feel. T80 is great on the FH side for me, but I think T80-FX might be a sweet spot for the BH.
You should forward your opinion of the FX sponge to Zhang Jike - I'm sure he'd be interested to know his BH rubber is total crap. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: chopchopslam
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:50am
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I don't really get the need for FX either. The reg Tenergy sponge is not a hard sponge at all IMO. ------------- Butterfly Grubba Pro Tenergy 80 National Team Pogo LP .6mm |
Posted By: Scorpnox
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:52am
The 5Q + is the sound version I think. They will be for sale this month. There is also gonna be a 1Q sound
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Pondus wrote:Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 9:55am
Nice! But I'm still waiting for SpinArt Soft. BTY, I hope you're reading this.
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Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 10:38am
I'm surprised they haven't come out with the EL sponge hardness for the entire Tenergy line. They did it for Sriver, Sriver G2 and Sriver G3. BTW, I love reading your comments. There is rarely middle ground with you. Things are either awesome or garbage. Moreover it's not that it doesn't fit your game, it's just crap - completely ignoring that it might fit other people's game perfectly.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 11:06am
Thanks for the advice. I hope Kreanga and ZJK are reading this thread to get some valuable advice from you. They are 05FX users on BH. No wonder their BH is total crap compared to yours... Next time you see Kai Zhang in a tournament in the US, ask him to ditch the FX sponge. His BH opening loops suck, don't they? He's only a 2650 relative to your rarified 3700 level.  ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Rahul_TT
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 11:10am
Slevin - it looks like all your equipment choices are based on what ZJK and Zhang Kai and other top players use. Interesting :)
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 1:23pm
Not unless they're using T80 on a Qabod or ZLC on their BH  Rahul, I don't think you got my point. IMHO, Assiduous is trolling, for fun perhaps. He sees how others get worked up by his blanket statements and comes up with new ones. This is all fun but IMHO it reduces forum quality due to misinformation to some readers. Then a knucklehead like me tries to spend time to correct this and then wonder why he's getting all worked up for. Here's an example of such a statement (emphasis is mine):
A couple more:
I like his (non-trolling) posts and think he brings value to this forum. But I certainly won't follow his steps. For example, I recently gave up on MX-P because I can't get the requisite sponge penetration on certain close-to-the-table strokes. I'd be trolling if I stated 'MX-P is crap' as if it was a gospel truth. It is a GREAT rubber. I suck at making it work well. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Rahul_TT
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 2:05pm
I see your point. When it becomes intentional misinformation, I am not for it. Neither am I for intentional trolling.
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Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 2:06pm
Well I think that anyone with the starting letter of their username as an A is just completely terrible at table tennis. I mean come on, an A? How original is that, of course they are going to use the first letter of the alphabet because it's a vowel. Not only that but to follow it up with 2 S just to use the word ass in their name, how juvenile this is just terrible. No pro would ever use three total S and two u's, in their username. When I use these letters I like to use an L or an O, maybe skip out on the U's. ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 2:56pm
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No need to argue the shit boys so Tenergy 80FX is coming out, get your pre=orders in ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 3:06pm
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this is a bit much today. As long as you can see that this is my post I don't have to put the prefix "it is my opinon that .." I don't like the FX sponge. Is that better? Now sit down. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 06/03/2013 at 3:09pm
| Assiduous doesn't troll on purpose, he's genuinely deluded |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 06/04/2013 at 12:23am
I'll drink to that.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 11/12/2013 at 10:13pm
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Almost half a year later, are we still to expect the Tenergy 80 FX, or was this info some kind of fluke? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 4:32am
I am in coz i don't like T05FX on FH with its high throw but liked the FX sponge ; T80 FX would be something i would definitely consider on my FH .. ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 4:46am
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It's on the LARC, so it's on the way. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 9:25am
I don't much like it either, except under T25. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 9:52am
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I've talked with a few 2000 - 2200 players that tried T-80 and none of them liked it so I'm guessing the FX version won't be a good rubber either. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 10:34am
They don't like it, or they don't like it better than T05? |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 10:51am
 I like both 05FX and 64FX as bh rubbers depending on the blade. And although I don't like reg T80 as much as T05 on the FH, I know it has characteristics of both 05 and 64... Something I would like to try in FX on my bh. FX sponges also bring the weight of the overall setup down, which is important to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 11:14am
Same here. I think the FX sponges make great BH rubbers, and I'm looking forward to T80-FX. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 11:20am
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05fx is great on the bh and I find it better there than any 64; 80 and 80fx are going to have a hard time replacing 05fx when it is already appreciated on the bh; maybe people who block and hit with that wing and want more control on receiving serves will prefer 80fx; but when it's about gently lifting up a short underspin serve over the table or opening close to the table, bh 05fx is superior and hard to beat. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 11:24am
That should work well on your New blade.  -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 11:30am
T05-FX will be going on the bh of that blade! I need some T80-FX on my W7. -------------
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 11:31am
Well, yes. I like 05fx's easy openers, and I like 64fx's flatter trajectory and (IMO) better blocking. You can probably see where I'm going with this... ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 1:19pm
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mmmhhh let me guess...80fx has the best of 2 words? :) what i feel is the ability to attack short serves with 05fx is hard to match while we can adapt to the harder to control blocks and drives. The advantage to be able to cancel right away one's serve advantage thanks to the spinnier topsheet justifies and outshines the loss of control on blocks and drives to which we can adjust. At equal cost and same speed i go for the spinnier topsheet. 80fx might be really good on bh for people with a strong fh loop so their bh serve and setup their fh faithfully. My fh is not that strong so i would choose 05fx on bh over 80fx to get a slightly higher return i can kill. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 1:59pm
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Undefeatable logic, obviously. Once 80fx is out, no doubt I'll be looking for something in that gap between it and 05fx. And so on, in sequence, until my inevitable bankruptcy. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:18pm
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is there a single top 100 player that uses any kind of FX? ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:26pm
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Me. I'm easily top 100 on my street. Rumours are Zhang Zike and Yan An are using 05fx these days... ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:37pm
 ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:45pm
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See Matt...that's the problem...Eugene is above 2200. He would probably play great with just about any decent rubber. The people I talked with that tried T80 said it had a lack of spin and just didn't do anything great that the other Tenergy rubbers do. Anyway...that's just what they told me. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:45pm
T80 is gaining popularity as a BH rubber among some high level players. I saw a lot of players a lot better than 2000-2200 using it on BH on my last trip to Germany about a year ago. I tried it after seeing that and I like it a lot on that side,have been using it since then, but don't like it very much on FH. It is a bit deader than T05, but it can still generate plenty of spin. The only way to know how it would behave in FX is to try it. As with any rubber. (Better information comes from trying it than "talking to a few guys"). I am not optimistic about the outcome of FX on a T80 topsheet, though.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:52pm
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It has good spin. It lacks the big arc of 05, but has better close game handling. Lacks a bit of 05 attacking potential, gives a little short game control in return. If people like 05, and are happy with (or just used to) it's spin sensitivity, then they won't see the point if 80 at all ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 2:53pm
Yes. But since he's semi-pro, his sports career depends on optimization. I'm pretty sure he's not just agnostic on rubber choice given that he has more incentive and more at stake (than we do) to select the best possible one for his game. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 3:12pm
For some time now Kreanga has been playing with 05-FX on his backhand. But his backhand is really really bad, so no need to pay attention to that  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 7:16pm
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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 7:49pm
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Now I have no doubt... T80 FX is coming to town... ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 11/14/2013 at 8:50pm
Ha! There is no way you can have power or mid distance game on 3000 level with that sponge! It sux, although in its defense its probably the best soft sponge on the market. All others totally blow : ). Still, soft sponges are like trying to kill somebody with a pillow. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 12:33am
You can put a hammer behind the pillow. I'd use the Photino or Iolite Neo for fire power with the T80-FX. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 2:47am
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To answer an earlier question, Mizutani uses T80 on his BH. Either Yan An or ZJK, Kai Zhang, Kreanga, people with great backhands and use 05FX.
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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 3:04am
Well ZJK and Yan An don't play that much BH from mid-distance et don't play that much with power on the BH either (relatively to their level) so no problem for them. Also there is a chance that a pro using FX sponge selects a not so soft sponge just a bit softer than the usual Tenergy sponge. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 5:00am
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No doubt Butterfly will continue to cash in on the Tenergy name, making a variant for every possible style of play. I predict there will be a Short Pimple Tenergy within 2 years time. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 5:15am
You have a long-established, strange mental block about soft sponges. You can get plenty of power with them. They just behave differently than harder sponges, and have their good and bad qualities, like anything. Personally, I don't care in the slightest what the top 100 are using. I only care what works for me, and I've used soft sponges on the BH side for a long time. I hit hard and flat, and they suit me. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 5:24am
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In modern TT, the best game is to prevent an attack from opponent while you spend as less effort as good, IMHO. And Tenergy 05FX does it very well, esp in Chinese BH new style. The ball drops off so close to the net and kick down quickly, causes no time for a FH loop-drive at BH side. Tenergy 64 is good but it brings the ball a bit longer and easier for op to do a loop kill. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/15/2013 at 9:50pm
In fairness, they are less guilty of this than most other manufacturers. How many forms of Xiom Omega exist? And Hexer? And Boost? And Calibra? What is the difference between Evolution and Aurus, really?
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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/16/2013 at 2:39am
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Yes very true. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 11/16/2013 at 3:17pm
You are correct in other cases but Evo and Aurus are quite different rubbers imho. Evo has distinctly more pronounced kick and is heavier if I am not mistaken. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/17/2013 at 10:43am
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Yes but Evo and Aurus are more similar than T25 and T64 |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 2:42am
 ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 2:43am
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... from the "best" to "total crap" lol ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 4:36am
It's all or nothing. You have to admire his conviction. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 7:40am
That's the libertarian in him - most of us see shades of grey, he sees things as black or white. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 9:36am
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lol. do libertarians go from one extreme to the other on the same issue? ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 9:38am
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That's a very silly generalization and we should leave politics out of this forum. |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 9:41am
who are you directing this towards? ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 9:52am
| Sorry, I meant to quote NextLevel |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 9:55am
okay just curious... i was a little confused ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:08am
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What, are you saying i liked FX on BH and now I don't? Yes, I did. I see my rating in feb 2012 was 1360 and my blade was Primorac. Which I praised heavily as well. I can't touch a primorac now. It vibrates like a frikking guitar string, has no power, and control is inferior to any carbon blade. I changed my game entirely since then. I never brush, instead on opening loop. As you improve your game and start making solid contact with the ball you realize all this brushing + soft sponge + dwelly blade is gona hold you back. You can hold this against me but I feel no shame of going through this transition. You know why?? ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:11am
i was chuckling that you went from calling it the best to total crap and i'm guessing the answer to your last question is b/c your rating is much higher now! ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:14am
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Because I came here for advice, and this is what I got. I wish somebody had told me from beginning to go with a TBS + had sponge. I really do. It cost me a year learning strokes that were WRONG and I had to fix. We need to make a sticky and have the moderators remove all advice to newbies that advice starting with slow wood blades and soft sponge. This is making the road ahead unnecessarily difficult. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:18am
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I have to respect that your playing level has gone up significantly. However, I still note that experienced players rated even higher would disagree with you on the newbie recommendations. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:26am
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as for libertarians ( I appreciate you associating me with libertarians instead of tea party), calling them extremist is really like calling yourself a brainwashed government tool. What happened with this country and the statue of Liberty? When did Liberty become a dirty word and libertarian an insult? These are the only people who never approve the initiation of force and confiscation of private property for the 'greater good of the state'. You have to always remember, that the only reason people like you have any freedom left at all, is because other people are trying to stop, or at least slow down the growth of government. But I realize this is a losing battle, and soon you will live in a matrix run by a dictatorship, and I will have to flee a socialist country once again. This time not sure where to go. Very few islands of freedom left on this planet. I'm thinking Singapore. I'm sure i'll find enough clubs there but I hear it's expensive as hell.
------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:31am
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You might have misunderstood one of my previous posts. I don't consider libertarians extremists. I consider them quite reasonable and sane amidst the nonsense. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:31am
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Assiduous, Whats up with you and always bringing in politics into this forum? You should really go and join a political forum too (if you haven't yet) Edit, I see on page 2 that other people start politics.... Guys, this is a TT forum I'm sure you can find some other words to use. Agree with the BEST to TOTAL CRAP, just like that. I find that too funny. And chances are - 2 years from now, there will be some other favourite one |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:33am
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:44am
Thanks for your opinion. I don't find the generalization silly and I hope assiduous heeds your advice. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:45am
It will be quite interesting if this comes full circle, and you reach a point where you start slowing down your setup. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 10:50am
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You know, that was the first lesson I took from improving and contrasting how much I had misconceived what was going on previously with my strokes. It was that I should stop pretending that my knowledge was anything more than what it was even when parroting stronger players.
Assiduous takes the opposite approach, assuming that his new knowledge is just as good as his old knowledge without any care for his past failures. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ChrisUK
Date Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:25am
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Have there been any updates on when this rubber is going to be released? ------------- The Twiddler |
Posted By: Vardant
Date Posted: 04/02/2014 at 4:19am
| I think I've heard something about May. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/02/2014 at 4:27am
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Tt-japan still says April 21st. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/11/2014 at 10:34pm
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http://tt-japan.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1835" rel="nofollow - http://tt-japan.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1835
it's out for good for $53. http://www.butterflyonline.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=TN80FXP" rel="nofollow - http://www.butterflyonline.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=TN80FXP or $65... ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: JonathanVN
Date Posted: 05/11/2014 at 10:51pm
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This is the first time I've seen the 80-FX out! Seeing that I am not a huge fan of the 80, however, I doubt I will purchase the FX. ------------- 2015 USATT Ratings: 1823 (Jan) 1840 (Feb) |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 05/11/2014 at 11:11pm
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I played a new sheet of T80FX 2.1 on BH today. Compared to the other FX versions it felt ok with an "allround" feel. A bit faster than T05FX with really good blocking feel. Not as spinny as T05FX but close. T64FX yes T64FX is quicker compared to T80FX off the bounce. It's an ok BH rubber in the Tenergy family that some will find appealing but not my first choice. T05FX suits my game best for BH. with yes T64FX for FH. I don't understand the concept of T80FX but it's here and some will love it. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: DaNgo
Date Posted: 05/15/2014 at 7:16am
| how about ten80fx compare with donic baracuda: spin, speed, control, hardness, weight |
Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 05/15/2014 at 7:44am
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Been thinking about trying the 80 FX, but I love how the Baracuda 2mm. plays on my b/h with the PG7/HL3. Hard for me to give up the Baracuda 2mm after trying so many others for my b/h. ------------- Shifter |
Posted By: DaNgo
Date Posted: 05/15/2014 at 8:58am
I'm using Baracuda Max sponge for f/h, its sound very interesting, spin and control good but I need more speed. I going to try ten64 but I see that 80fx is new available in market and notice it.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/15/2014 at 9:19am
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People in my club are using it already (since the end of April). Pretty good rubber. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 05/21/2014 at 10:22am
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Hit with it for about 3 hours the other night. Here is some footage and some initial impressions. sorry about that bad mic. Apparently need to get a new one. http://chroniclesofgossima.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - http://chroniclesofgossima.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 2:32pm
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Copying my initial impressions on it from another thread: Now I have tried 80-FX (and I played a lot with 05-FX) so I will throw in my two cents - and remember those are just first practice impressions. It was glued on BBC Blaster, all-wood OFF blade with hinoki outer plies. 1) throw angle is about the same I think but only on strong strokes. On weaker strokes indeed 80-FX throws a bit lower 2) speed. I think T-80 FX is on average a little slower than T-05 FX. Even on fast spinny power loops I do not feel than T-80 FX is faster. Perhaps on pushing and blocking but I think it is simply more catapult than I wanted which requires some readjustment. 3) overall control. It is probably better for T-80 FX but not in short game. I think that the transition from dead-ish slow response to catapult is more prominent with T-80 FX and that makes for poorer control in the slow-middle range. Same goes for pushing/blocking. 4) spin - surprisingly enough T-80 FX is not that great there. I think it is on par with T-80 but worse than T-05 and T-05 FX. 5) Looping on BH is very nice, not so great (for me) on FH. It seems that T-80 FX is more demanding than T-80 in terms of attack angle. Little mistake and the ball flies very high and/or long. However, when it goes on the table it seems a bit more deceiving to the opponent since the spin is different from other Tenergies. However if your opponent generally underestimates your spin then it won't do you any good since T-80 FX produces less of it for the same swing, not more. 6) power looping is pretty good - consistent on both sides. I liked BH better though. The best feeling I had with T-80 FX was when I power looped on BH from 2-3 steps away... 7) ball grab is at the same great level as T-05 FX and T-80. Very reliable. 8) one unfortunate thing is that of all Tenergies I tried - T-05, T-05 FX, T-64, T-64 FX, T-80, T-25, T-80 FX (quite a few as you can see), this one seems the worst in bottoming out. Not sure why... could be that I have it on the wrong blade. Will move it to a slightly harder and faster blade. Overall, I liked it more on FH but not because it works much better there, but because I play more with my BH side and so I realized I needed a rubber there which I trust more, and have more experience with. Does not mean I make more mistakes there than on FH, just that on FH I can afford a slightly higher error level, that's all. Once again - this is not a knock on T-80 FX, this is simply about not being used to its properties yet. So far, however, I do not see it being what I hoped for - better control and softness from FX sponge but same reliability and power as T-80. Softness seems to be there, but not better control. Power is sometimes present but often it is less controlled and rubber often bottoms out too fast for my taste. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 2:54pm
I'm going to just come out and ask it because the term is thrown around all the time. What does bottoming out specifically mean? I have no idea. Thanks.
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 4:29pm
It means that when you hit the ball pretty hard, the rubber gives way too much and basically the ball penetrates too much and is being played not by sponge/topsheet but by the blade as well (to a larger degree than usual) which often results in a much weaker bounce than you'd expected. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 4:50pm
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I was really excited for 80-fx (as you can see from my previous posts), but when I finally got my hands on a few sheets I was disappointed. Jim's review is spot on, and I'm sure lots of people will love it, but I found it strange to the point of madness. Overall it seemed more like 05-fx, rather than halfway between 64-fx and 05-fx, as I'd hoped. But the thing that made my mind up was the gearing. The short game was nice and controlled, but everything more forceful was a LOT more flyaway. Massively elastic, non-linear. Combining this off/on behaviour with a hinoki outer ply was an exercise in frustration for me. It would probably work much better on a different blade, but I put the sheets on eBay after a few weeks. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 4:58pm
I agree - non-linearity here is higher and more frustrating than with other Tenergies. However, a lot of players are quite happy with highly non-linear rubbers, such as fast ESN tensors... I will try it on one other blade and then, if it doesn't work out, will sell it to the next testing enthusiast. So far it is in virtually pristine condition. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 5:01pm
Yeah, absolutely. Not for me, but lots of players will love it no doubt. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 5:34pm
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is 80fx any good bc the "not like tenergy" made me hesitant to buy it ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/26/2014 at 9:29pm
I do not think it is "not like tenergy" - it certainly has the dead-ish feeling in short pushes, great ball grab and tenergy-like massive catapult (T-64 FX failed on all three counts, so that rubber is imho the proverbial black sheep of the family). I am just saying that it does not have the combination of qualities that I was looking for. Apparently Andy is of the same opinion. Forgot to mention the weight: about 42-43 g cut to standard SH. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/30/2014 at 9:49am
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I have played with T-80 FX a bit more (on BH) and it got better.
However, I think that mostly happened because I moved it to my other
blade (BBC Tachyon), which is slightly faster and slightly harder. Less
bottoming out, more consistent play etc. Therefore I think that playing it on blades with harder outers (ayous, limba, walnut) would be recommended... thick hinoki, not so much. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/01/2014 at 10:07pm
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I flipped the racket and played with 80-FX on the forehand of the same combo. And, alas, ... I liked it. A lot. I am saying "alas" because now I will have to expand my set of rubbers yet again. I already have to keep some number of T-05 FX, T-80, KTL Mecahnical, Aurus Soft rubbers. Now I will have to add T-80 FX. Woe is me! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 10/01/2014 at 11:24pm
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Jim, I done seen you play and for sure, you could slap on my longtime $8 BH rubber (or any ole rubber) and still play outstanding on BH wing. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/02/2014 at 12:02am
My precise thoughts when reading all this. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/02/2014 at 10:46am
Somewhat true. Thanks for the vote of confidence, my friend. I would still rather play with a T-80 on BH than even with a Palio Blitz. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |