What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber ?
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Topic: What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber ?
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Subject: What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber ?
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 1:12pm
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What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber without any type of boosting ? What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber with oil boosting ? ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
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Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 2:34pm
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old topsheet tg2 or old topsheet h3 with boosting without.. maybe 729-08 es 729-05( but really only with initial tack it wears off fairly quick ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 3:37pm
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Tsp used to have one. Yasaka do. Both may be extinct. 729 god favored was one. The double fish a1 isn't too bad. I'm not sure what if any of the former are still around. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 4:17pm
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Palio Thors ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 4:31pm
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without boosting i guess palio thors or xiom tau would be your best choices ------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: tjafsaren
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 4:32pm
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Xiom Tau, Palio Thor's(as mentioned above, got it myself. Pretty darn fast for a tacky rubber), Juic 999 Turbo is suppose to be pretty good aswell. Read that Haggisv himself was fond of it. Basicly anything with tension in it with a "chinese" topsheet is faster than the Hurricane/Skyline series at low gear, but should be about the same at higher gears.
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 4:51pm
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Xiom Tau. Simple answer. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 5:16pm
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Among my super tackiest the fastest are H2 Neo, RITC Tacky Speed 2000 MRS, TG3 Neo....... Among my tacky ones-999 EN,Thors, 999EU, Higher I...... Anyway tack and speed for me are quite contradictory qualities ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 5:42pm
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tau cant be considered tacky.. its a chinese imitation rubber made easy for the normal person ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 7:05pm
That's completely wrong. Tau is a tacky Chinese style rubber. Just as tacky as H3 neo and I doubt anyone is going to claim that H3 Neo is not a tacky Chinese rubber. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
decoi wrote:Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 8:20pm
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really dont think its as tacky as h3 , even neo. im not saying its a bad rubber. im just saying its its more of a take at Chinese rubbers IMO they did a better job with vega china. you can actually feel the similarity there.. where as with Tau its more of a hybrid nether here or there ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 8:21pm
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I agree topsheet tau IS a tacky chinese style one. But the sponge cant be considered chinese, and does not react to booster like chinese does. I think tau sponge is a hard ESN sponge, but i could be mistaken ------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 10:25pm
| Since you didn't mention Chinese, thors tau and Vega China are the fastest, thors probably the fastest of all, none of these are super tacky. Its much faster than any Chinese tacky rubber. The fastest Chinese made tacky rubber is probably still the original red diamond which isn't super tacky either, all above have similar tack to the modern dhs rubbers |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 07/03/2013 at 11:51pm
I disagree completely again. I think we should just agree to disagree. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/04/2013 at 12:30am
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my thoughts exactly ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/04/2013 at 12:42am
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H3 Neo isn't as tacky as H3. Neither is close to as tacky as my original Apollo. I doubt any rubber is as tacky as my first Apollo from about 3 years ago but my second sheet of Apollo was that tacky and a real disappointment. Tackiness slows down the rubber. The force that holds the ball to the rubber must be over come and it subtracts from the force that accelerates the ball. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 07/04/2013 at 11:38am
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fast and tacky is just a bad idea ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/04/2013 at 3:05pm
In proper context, what is the fastest of the super tacky rubbers ? Some are faster than others ! ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/04/2013 at 6:19pm
in that case probably TG3 old topsheet if we are talking unboosted if we are boosting then its a close one between any of the Hurricane/skyline family and old topsheet is a must the new ones just dont feel right ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 07/05/2013 at 9:44am
Fast and Tacky is not a bad idea at all. It is just hard to do with the current regulations. If it still existed probably Transcend SP or even some Wang Nan would probably be quick enough with some booster. It might even still be on my bat too.
It is all relative really. No Tacky Chinese rubber is going to be considered quick when compared to other quick rubbers on the market and as soon as you mention 'super tacky' then you are going to struggle to find anything with real speed.
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/05/2013 at 10:04am
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PF4, it is the "end" !!! http://www.eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=1197 PF4 secret weapon of china players, really Champion Maker. Best beloved rubber amongst china champions in the years 70-80's. You will be more than lucky to get 2,0 mm version. |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 07/05/2013 at 10:08am
| Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast |
Posted By: Zhaoyang
Date Posted: 07/05/2013 at 2:18pm
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"You will be more than lucky to get 2,0 mm version." |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 10:05am
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My 2 cents.... Tau is def tacky chinese style TOPSHEET. If Hurricane 3 Neo was on Steroids it would be Tau. Similar throw and strokes with only minor adjustment required. I find Vega China Black to be Tackier than the red. Ive played extensively with Vega China. It is a good rubber. It is not super fast. I actually found it to be on the slow side, unless you stick on a super fast off++ blade. On Xiom Aigis (all+) I found Vega China to be to way to slow. On Xiom Strato (off++) Vega China felt great while most other rubbers were way to fast for my taste. Xiom Strato is a beast in the speed category. H3 Neo feels pretty good Aigis (all+). Not superfast, but its fast enough. H3 PROVINCIAL boosted with SEAMOON, I've tried this only on Xiom Aria(off +) It felt great with excellent speed and spin. In my opinion the speed China < H3 NEO < Tau = H3 Provincial boosted with Seamoon. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 2:22pm
Does anyone agree Red Diamond is arguably the fastest boosted ? How about Friendship SST Pro Team boosted or not boosted ? ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 4:33pm
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well tau is certainly fast.. just for those that care one of the ex provincial players i know says its garbage. ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 7:43pm
the problem with Red Diamond in my experience though is that every single sheet is very noticeably different. Some of them are very grippy, some tacky with no grip and dead as a rock sponge.... some really lively. I ordered it remembering how great I thought it was, and what I got was bull crap in a package. I've had 4 sheets. All very different. Which sucks because the good sheets are so good. Edit: I'm boosting a sheet right now to see what happens.
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 9:24pm
| If it makes a difference... I boosted up one of the 11 dollar commercial H3 sheets.... as in non-neo commercial, and it still plays very well. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/07/2013 at 11:51pm
Let us know the results of the your Red Diamond boosting ! It might help the bad sheets pay better or normal ! ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: alexuganski
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 4:18pm
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How does 729 SST God-Favored compare in speed & tackiness to H3 Neo, Tau, Thor's, etc? ------------- Harimoto Innerforce ALC FH: Dr Neubauer Killer Extreme 2.2 BH: Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 Embrace the Dark Side. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 5:05pm
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Fast, a little tacky and consistent. Butterfly SpinArt !!
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Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 5:12pm
I haven't played with Tau. I have SST God-Favored and H3 Neo currently mounted but on different types of paddles. I can tell you that SST God-Favored is hard and relatively heavy compared to H3 Neo. I don't consider H3 Neo or SST God-Favored to be particularly tacky or fast. I have tended to favor harder rubbers as time goes on. The first Apollo 1 I bought was extremely tacky and it held it tack for a long while. The second Apollo 1 I bought was a big let down. I think the first one tackier even though it was much older. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 5:44pm
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I've used Thors, Grip-S, Grip-S Europe, XuShaoFa 999-LSZ Hurricane, BWII (All 3 versions), Vega China, Red Diamond, Moon Pro, 999T. I'm using 729 Origin Nano now over any of those, it's no joke, lasts a long time and I'm so surprised it's not way more popular, but have yet to revisit the DHS Hurricane series. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: patwhall
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 6:14pm
| Tried TG3 and some 729s, boosted H3 is still unbeatable in terms of loop power, spin and control. |
Posted By: alexuganski
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 6:58pm
How is the quality of Origin? I've been interested in it ever since it came out. 729 is cheaper equipment though, so is it consistent from sheet to sheet? ------------- Harimoto Innerforce ALC FH: Dr Neubauer Killer Extreme 2.2 BH: Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 Embrace the Dark Side. |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 7:11pm
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I've used most of them. Thors is a very fast rubber compared to anything you can not deny that, not only is it a fast rubber it doesn't have a top speed limit caused by the soft sponge running out like most springy rubbers do.. Of the non Tensors the old Whale and Red Diamond are fastest, 999 turbo might come next. I haven't used 729 Origin. After that comes almost everything else in a very similar amount of speed. They are all very spinny, Globe 999, and most of the 729 rubbers are especailly good for actually winning games (very consistent). But none (again I haven't tried Origin) are anywhere near as fast as Thors and I assume Tau is also fast but there's some debate on that
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Posted By: alexuganski
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 7:22pm
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Thor's sounds so tempting! I have a swing somewhere in between Chinese & Euro, so being able to utilize the rubber both ways would be great. $40 Thors vs $20 other Chinese rubbers though... Haha I was discussing being able to loop both Chinese & Euro style, & I described it like, "Yeah, I swing both ways." ------------- Harimoto Innerforce ALC FH: Dr Neubauer Killer Extreme 2.2 BH: Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 Embrace the Dark Side. |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 7:44pm
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I should stay on topic. Not saying Origin Nano is faster than the others but it has everything I want after EJing these types of rubber for 3.5 years (forgot to mention 729-08/es, 729-5, HRT Wujilong maybe some others). A new breed of 729. Only opened 3 sheets of Origin so far, all identical except one was cut uneven on the bottom. Don't let me convince anyone though because I'd like it to stay in stock. Hope someone will come along and say it sucks. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 8:38pm
| My thor's came apart when I removed it from the blade.. also might be best on a stiff blade per TTDB reviews. |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 9:51pm
Thors is low bounce but very fast on OFF+ composite blade. Heavy like a brick but hits like Thor's hammer.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Pongz
Date Posted: 11/20/2013 at 10:48pm
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I can't really do slow loaded top spin (i.e. using mostly topsheet to generate the topspin ) using Palio Thor.. it skids and dies off.... it seems to me that you have to always engage the sponge with Thor.. I used H3 Neo and TG3 Neo.. On DHS PG9, I think they are as fast as Thor... and not far away from expensive rubber such as Tenergy imho.. The fastest chinese tacky rubber that I have used is the Red Diamond (I forgot whether is LKT or KTL) it was quite heavy (~50gr for normal blade size).. 1st time used, speedwise it was like typical chinese rubber and quite disappointing... after much mucking around with the rubber... I don't know exactly what I did to that rubber... the rubber became speed monster.. even much faster than the typical tensor european rubber like STIGA, Donic, Joola... it was practically unuseable... hard as a rock and catapult like crazy...  ------------- Butterfly Sardius FH Donic Barracuda BH Tibhar MX-P |
Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 11/21/2013 at 2:30am
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without any tuning done, straight out of the package: Haifu Whale III national version(pink sponge, not the purple sponge) ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: alexuganski
Date Posted: 11/21/2013 at 6:51pm
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Oh boy, I hit with some H2 this afternoon. It feels really good. It wasn't the NEO version though. That might feel even better. H2 felt good from any distance away from the table, but it was the best rubber I've ever tried while topspin driving close to the table... Would H3 or TG3 feel this good too, but be even better for looping? ------------- Harimoto Innerforce ALC FH: Dr Neubauer Killer Extreme 2.2 BH: Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 Embrace the Dark Side. |
Posted By: puppy412
Date Posted: 11/21/2013 at 7:38pm
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donic baracuda? |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/21/2013 at 7:56pm
H3 and TG3 (less) have a higher throw, making it easier to loop backspin and probably making it easier away from the table, but not as easy close-in. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |