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Topic: Best TT Robot
Posted By: AcudaDave
Subject: Best TT Robot
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 3:48pm
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Hello everyone. I currently have an older Newgy robot, but was thinking of buying a new robot that has more features available. I'd like to be able to program some drills, and want to get a robot that is a little more advanced with options of changing the spin on the ball, etc. I know the Paddlepalace robots and Butterfly robot available on butterflyonline.com are both pretty advanced but don't know anyone that has used either of them. Any reviews out there? Thanks ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 4:20pm
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Best programming - Y&T 989H. This is based on the touch-screen controller, which is just the best on the market for programming drills. Best ball delivery - Butterfly Amicus 3000+. Natural flight to the ball, especially on loops. Rich215 could help with a more rounded comparison than me. I know he rates the Newstar highly. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: jeannn
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 4:29pm
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best ball delivery , Amicus ????? this is the worst robot by far !!!! i bought one for my club . i put the robot in the garbage ! |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 4:32pm
Wow - strong words. And an expensive item to put in the garbage. Maybe I should wait outside and see what else you will throw away? :-) Anyway, are we talking about the same Amicus? The 3000+? And what did you think was bad about it? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
jeannn wrote:Posted By: shay2be
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 4:38pm
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I've used an Amicus robot a couple times and I thought the trajectory was very natural compared to other robots; once you know how to use it, you can pretty much set up any drill you want ------------- Timo Boll ZLC Xiom Vega Japan Tenergy 80 - FX Rating: 2065 |
Posted By: jeannn
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:04pm
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yes the same Amicus . The BIG problem with this robot , side spin on every balls ! |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:05pm
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what about the H2W Pro for $1800 at PaddlePalace? Anyone have any review for this one? Andy...where can you buy the Y&T 989H robot and how much does it sell for? Thks ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: jeannn
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:08pm
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AcudaDave i will buy this robot for my club . the H2W Pro |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:08pm
Mine did this a bit, but only initially. After a while, the deflector head was worn-in, and it's no longer noticeable. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:11pm
I got mine from Far East Sports: http://www.fareastsports.com/products/robots/y_t/1148" rel="nofollow - http://www.fareastsports.com/products/robots/y_t/1148 Out of stock now, unfortunately. Happily - the H2W Pro is just a rebadged 989H, so who cares! Great robot. Ball delivery has a low arc though, and it can be tricky to get short, high-spin backspin balls. These two reasons led me to swap mine for the Amicus. My club now has the 989H. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:16pm
A big thumbs up for the H2W pro. I highly recommend it. Ease of use and overall quality is great. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:54pm
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It sounds like you are willing to invest a good amount in a robot, but budget is a concern for many in determining best choice. Physical location can also be a factor in the price you pay. I wanted to buy a robot and had a smaller budget than you seem to have. After doing research on the various choices within my affordability range I settled on 3 models I would be happy to buy. I then compared prices on the different table tennis supplier sites. Once I found the best price available for each model, I then went on ebay and found the same models. In contacting the robot suppliers on ebay I connected with the USA representative for one of the Chinese manufacturers. He was willing to negotiate a price below any web site price I could find. He happened to be local to me so I was able to also save shipping cost. For a low budget I think the Oukei S9 is a nice choice, and there is a thread on this site with a great review of that machine. For a bigger budget I agree with the poster above who recommended the Y & T 989H. For unlimited budget it seems the Newstars might be the current ultimate. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 2:19am
| So far I am very happy with Oukei S9. As a matter of fact, it's an advanced upgrade to Amicus 3000 - with much better and realistic shots. One thing though is for sure - never buy one-wheel robot, no matter how sophisticated. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 1:01pm
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I clicked the link to the Y&T model and it does look like the Paddlepalace robot is a rebadged Y&T model. Now my question is which is better between the Amicus model and the Paddlepalace H2W model? Has anyone used both? BTW...am moving into a new house next Friday that has a huge basement! For the past 7 years have had to setup the table in the garage and although it was better than nothing, it was not very practical. When we searched for a new house the most important feature was it had to had a large basement where I could setup a table. This house has a 1700 sq. ft. basement, with hardwood flooring and 9 ft ceilings! Yea! So already ordered a new Joola table, and now just need to get a new robot. I'll include some pics of the basement after we move in next Friday. Thanks ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: W0LovePP
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 1:15pm
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I have an H2W Touch Pro from Paddlepalace. It works great and I love it. I highly recommend it. ------------- Yasaka Galaxya Butterfly Amultart SI |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 3:22pm
Yup - a lot of companies have rebadged the Y&T 989 range over the years. They just slap their own branding on. I've had both at the same time, and decided to keep the Amicus, and sold the 989H to my club. So I still get to use both I suppose. The Y&T has incredible programming and flexibility. The touch screen is just amazing. It could be slightly better at storing custom drills, but that's nit picking. Also, it has a fully motorised, two wheel head. So you can do top, bottom, side spin, all at different positions, and different speeds, in the same drill. The net is fast to put up and down, and the whole unit is simple to move around (if that matters to you). Downsides - low ball "arc" means most deliveries are tight, skiddy ones. You can't program a slow, high-spin, high arc loop, for example. Also, it's very difficult to program a high spin short delivery. To get around these two limitations, you can raise the wheels of the base unit up, which tilts the head at an angle. But that means you're faffing around a lot, trying to find a good angle. It's a real shame, because it's an incredible machine otherwise. You can definitely live with this, but still worth mentioning. The Amicus 3000+ has a massive control panel with a lot of physical buttons, knobs, and slidey things. It has some additional features (like a random function, auto-pause after backspin deliveries, etc), but the programming is more limited than the Y&T (due to the limitations of having a physical interface, rather than the GUI of the 989H's touchscreen). The net is bigger, and works slightly better when recycling balls, but is trickier to put up and down each time you set it up. You can only have top and/or backspin in the same programming sequence (the 989H can have sidespin too, due to the motorised head). You can rotate the head manually for sidespin, but then you can only have left and/or right sidespin in a sequence, with no top/backspin. The ball delivery is better (IMO) than the 989H, which sold it to me. The head has a deflector panel in, which means you can vary spin more independently of position. This makes it easy to have short backspin balls, and high-arc loop balls. This is a very different approach to the 989H's "two wheel and out" way of working. But (as jeannn has mentioned), this results in two things. First up, you have a bit of sidespin on most balls. This effect seems to reduce with some robot use - I think the deflector head wears in a bit after a few months. Secondly, the ball placement isn't 100% accurate. The 989H is really accurate - the balls land in a 5cm square patch around your programmed target location. The Amicus just isn't that accurate. For me, the Amicus' variability is actually a good thing. You have to watch the ball and adjust your shot more than the 989H, which is too robotic (no pun intended) for me. This is a very personal thing, obviously. It can be annoying to program a long topspin ball on the Amicus and have every 5th ball overshoot the table. They're both great, and you'd be happy with either. If Butterfly brought out an Amicus with a touchscreen panel, I'd buy it immediately. Until then, it comes down to personal preference. IMO it's a choice between better programming, or more natural (and variable) ball delivery. ps - I've tried the Palio 40mm polyball in both, and both seem fine with the slight increase in size. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: kickass
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 4:11pm
LOL. Jeann must be kicking himself/herself now for throwing a perfectly good robot in the garbage when all it needed was a little break in. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 4:49pm
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wow...thanks so much Andy for your review of both. Sounds like I can't go wrong with either. I do like the idea of a touch screen for programming, but I like the more variability of the Amicus. I also think the Amicus has a 2-year warranty compared to a 1 year warranty for the PaddlePalace robot. Are both very durable? ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 6:41pm
Yeah, good question. The Amicus is an old design, so everything is pretty chunky, basic and robust. I've had no mechanical problems at all. I've replaced the foam wheels once (they wear out over time), but they were very cheap and easy to switch out. The control box has very short leads (too short to reach to the playing end of the table), so you can either buy the extension kit from BTY (crazy expensive) or buy some extension cables yourself. You would need two leads - one parallel and one serial. The serial one is the problem - it's an old 15 pin serial port, like old PCs used to have for joystick ports, before you crazy kids were spoilt with easy USB ports. It's difficult to find extension cables for 15 pin serial these days. The 989H had a problem when it first arrived. When set to throw a dead ball (top and bottom wheels same speed), it came out with a fair bit of topspin. After discussion with Y&T, it turned out that the bottom wheel motor was underpowered. So they sent two new motors in the post to me, free of charge. Replacing a motor required some very basic soldering skills, but was simple overall. Not sure how widespread this problem is, and no idea why the robots aren't checked when they leave the factory, but hats off to Y&T for customer support regardless. After switching the motor out, it worked perfectly. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 11:50pm
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The best TT robot hasn't been built yet. I thought I saw a TT robot with 3 throw wheels 120 degrees apart. That would be a good start. Next the throw wheels should be able to go forwards AND reverse so slow spinny top spins and back spins are possible and one can change the spin on-the-fly from top spin, back spin and side spin. The throw head should not only be able to angle side to side but move side to side so balls can be thrown from either corner. The robot should be able to detect when the previous balls has been returned so it can throw the next ball in a realistic way. I don't like it when my Newgy throws a ball before the one I hit has landed in its net. I know I can adjust the intervals between balls but it is would be much more realistic if there were some smarts to automatically throw a ball after my return has gone into the net. Yes, it would cost a bit but it would make a good demo at a trade show. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 1:46am
Amicus Pro is a 3-wheel robot but it has unrealistic ball delivery and very limited programming capability. Apart from that, its electronic part defected (self-combustion) after two weeks. Smart Pong has one wheel only. Double Snake 5 has two wheels and better programming. Newstar 2080 C can do everything - but I am interested in 2080 D, probably it will serve icecream also  The shortcomings of 2700 S9: 1. Cannot automatically change sidespin. 2. Cannot program separate arc for separate shots in a sequence from one head. Arc can be adjusted only while shooting. 3. Very sensitive to wobbled and used balls, so more expensive in consumption - you have to provide new 3* balls every 50 hours. 4. Cannot serve less than 30 bpm, but you can program it to serve once with head A, then 5 times with head B into the net, thus creating time for a realistic (you) serve and (robot) serve return practice.
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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 8:49am
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I just checked Butterflyonline.com and they sell the Smartpong S200 robot. Is this the same as the Amicus robot, or is it a different one. It doesn't say if it has 2 wheels or not, but I'm guessing it must have as you can vary the spin. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: kickass
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 10:13am
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it has 1 wheel but the head can automatically rotate so it can vary the spin but being 1-wheel means spin is still proportional to speed |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 11:08am
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woa...only 1 wheel. Sounds like a deal breaker to me. Almost $2000 for that robot and it only has 1 wheel. Thanks for the info kickass. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 11:09am
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BTW...are there any other top robots out there that no one has mentioned? Thanks ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 11:32am
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don't know much about robots having only used a robopong or a variant thereof, and then only having the ball oscillate left, right - not changing spin any '989' model is basically the same robot - just re-packaged using different brand labels?
however, i used to hear a lot about 'ttmatic' nobody seems to have mentioned that :) |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 11:47am
No, this is totally different to the Amicus 3000+. This Smartpong reminds me of a rebadged Oukei one I saw ages ago on eBay, but I can't be 100% sure. Anyway, this is the Amicus 3000+: http://www.teessport.com/table-tennis-robots-c13/butterfly-amicus-3000-table-tennis-robot-p3443" rel="nofollow - http://www.teessport.com/table-tennis-robots-c13/butterfly-amicus-3000-table-tennis-robot-p3443 Notice that TeesSport also have a "Practice Partner" range of robots. All rebadged Y&T 989 models from the past. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 1:34pm
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ttmatic are out of date and too expensive Yanle has some good models
http://tt-robot.com/yanle-368-table-tennis-robot-p-195.html" rel="nofollow - http://tt-robot.com/yanle-368-table-tennis-robot-p-195.html |
Posted By: DHSHurricane
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 1:39pm
| Sitco TT Robot RII-S is amaziing! |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 2:26pm
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Now I'm seeing the Oukei robot at Megaspin and it looks like a good robot as well. Any thoughts on the Oukei TW-2700-S9 robot. It retails for $1600 at Megaspin. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 2:54pm
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This is a very good price, esp. considering the fact that you will get also 2 or 3 years warranty. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61293" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61293
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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 4:26pm
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I'm leaning towards the Oukei S9 robot for $1600 unless someone can convince me there is a better robot for around that price. Thanks so much to everyone for your posts on this topic. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 4:51pm
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If $1800 counts as around the same price, you could look at the Newstar 2080-B. Here is a link. http://www.fareastsports.com/products/robots/newstar/1337" rel="nofollow - http://www.fareastsports.com/products/robots/newstar/1337 |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 12:28am
| 2080-B has to rest every 50 shots to cool down the electronics. This problem is solved in 2080-C, but I was offered to pay additional $240 for transportation, so the final price went up to $3000 incl. VAT and duty. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 2:10am
Not sure where you got that info...but it is wrong. The Newstar 2080 B can shoot much more than 50 balls before it has to take any pause. It also depends on if you are shooting a combo of different shots where the head makes many adjustments between shots. If you are shooting to one landing spot or the head does not make much changes between balls.... it can shoot quite a very long time. If in an average 6 ball combo where every ball is different.....could be 300 balls or so before it has to rest....and even then the rest is not long. It has never been an issue for me at all, though people will use the robots differently I can understand. I normally practice serves for a few minutes after picking up balls from shooting out say 200+ shots. That time of rest for the robot is more than enough where my training time is never ever stopped for the robot needing a break. So it is rare that I ever have to let the robot pause from shooting too many balls while using it in this way. I know for a fact that Fareast sports does not charge any taxes.....only the customers home county custom agents may charge any duty fees. Fareast sports also helps out by declaring a lower amount on any robot to countries that have normal import duty fees. Some countries will have an added shipping fee pending on where they are. I never was charged any custom fees here in USA for any of the many robots that were shipped to me. But USA is just one country and not all are the same for possible custom fees on import items. Also, the shipping fees on the bigger robots went up dramatically in the past year from EMS services in China. They added a "over-sized" fee for packages of certain weight and size. The bigger floor standing robots are now in this category. It has caused a problem for many manufactures and resellers. You will now start to see smaller robots and more hanging type ones because of this. Y&T is a good example of this, they made a hanging and tripod floor standing version of the 989E ...A9 and A8 robots. I have not heard anything about a smaller/lighter 989H or newer high end one from them yet. I did like using the 989H robot because it is quick and easy to setup and use. It can give you decent training with the ability to program sequences of different spin types and landing spots from ball to ball, but the Newstar robots run circles around it for ability. Nothing comes close to the Newstar robots as far as all the functions and abilities and being able to move the robot around with the net still attached. It is quite nice for not getting bored with the same balls cumming at you from static positions most robots have. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 2:20am
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Oh....I almost forgot.....about the title of this thread. BEST TT ROBOT. That is like asking which rubber or blade is the best......no one real answer fits all! Depends on too many things as every one is different with their budget and needs/wants for a robot. So its more like.....with x, y, and z perimeters.....what robot is the best choice for my requirements. Of course, I could say there are 3 top choices of the best robots out now....but those might not be options for most users. Even with these top 3 or so....they are all different and you might give up one thing or aspect for another when choosing between them just as you will have to do with the lower priced robots as well. ------------- |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 2:34am
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Fair enough. You will never use 32 different landing positions and spins in a sequence, so 200 is good for 6 different shots. Still I don't like the fact of warming up and cooling down, esp. remembering the smoke coming out from the Amicus Pro command device.For Oukei S9 I was charged $500 for 25 kg by EMS. Other services do not accept such bulk robots. But 2080 is abt two times less in weight and should not cost as much as Oukei S9 to ship. As for the VAT and duty fees, we are to present link to the original product and document that the price has been paid by PP plus shipment. So the total price amounted to $3200 for 2080-C. Showing invoice with reduced price is not an option here.
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 07/14/2013 at 1:07pm
Yes shipping is getting to be so much of an issue now with many businesses all over the world. I deal with it here in the US on a daily basis and it is a big issue for falling profit margins. I was told that the EMS fees on robots from China almost doubled in the past few years now, and your quote of $500 for a big robot shipped internationally is spot on.....so much to deal with for seller and buyer. I see your country is pretty strict on import products to consumers and its pretty hard to work around that.
With the Newstar robot: The 32 different memory slots for the different balls is not just for landing spots actually. Each of the different 32 saves in all the 8 different Lb's (spots where the robot sits on the floor and head height settings), have several perimeters of a ball set for each saved ball. 1. spin type/rotation angle - from straight up and down to full 90 degrees. 2. spin amount - this is where this robot blows away the competition. 3. speed/power of ball projected - with huge spin amounts, the ball can still be shot short over the net, which is also why this robot is so good compared to this ability of other robots. 4. vertical height - ball can land close to the robot end of the table and very high as well for big loft shots. 5. horizontal landing spot - as well as all the other adjustments on ball perimeters, steps of adjustment are small enough that you can be more than satisfied with dialing each setting in to make the ball shot you want. So with those elements being able to be set for each of the 32 different ball saves, you can create any type of combo you want pretty much. I really like this for service training and 3rd ball training for lifting under spin returns. And each of the 32 different ball saves are different from each Lb. So you can have so many different ball types saved. You can even edit the different Lb's to be for any spot on the floor from the table. So in effect, you could have all 8 different sets of LB's at one spot of the robot sitting from the table. The combos or sequences are the same for each Lb position as well. There are 8 different combo memory slots for each different Lb. You can switch from one combo to another very quickly. There is much more to the abilities of the Newstar robots, but above info is usually what the main attraction to its abilities. As I mentioned before, it can do so much and is more complicated than other robots, but its self programming ability is amazing. As for the heat up cool down thing....it really never is an issue for me using the robot. This may or may not be an issue for others depending on how the robot is used. Say if it is used in a training center with several users per session, you might want to go with the C robot for such long periods of use. That would be the only time I think it could be an issue. For most single users, it should not be an issue at all. Smoke coming from any robot is not a good thing...but no robot or electrical devices are 100% immune from electronics blowing up or having problems. Just search YouTube for smartphones batteries blowing up....from several different manufactures. Though that is a different situation all together. ------------- |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 9:09am
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Thanks to everyone for their advice. One more thing I just started to think about is whether or not the new poly balls will make the current robots obsolete! I hate to pay that much for a robot and then have some new balls come out next year that won't work in these robots. Does anyone know if that will be an issue or if we really are going to the new poly balls next year? I've read some pretty bad reviews of these new balls with some reviewers saying there is no way the ITTF will go to these so soon. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 9:28am
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Poly balls - who knows? They should be coming in next year, but the ITTF reserves the right to make a dramatic u-turn at the last minute. Your guess is as good as anyone's. Like I said above, the Palio polyballs worked fine in the Amicus and 989H machines. Even if the final balls are slightly bigger still, in both these machines you would only have to change the throwing wheels to slightly smaller ones to compensate. I would expect the manufacturers to make slightly smaller wheels available, if necessary, probably, maybe. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 9:43am
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thanks Andy. Guess I won't let that stop me from getting one then. You did mention that above but guess I kind of glossed over that since I wasn't thinking about the poly balls. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 10:43am
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Always good to gather opinions about this kind of thing. I'd be interested to know if anyone has had any problems with any robot and the Palio balls. Some robots have far tighter tolerances than the two I've tried. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 11:07am
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I'm really torn now between the Y&T S27 and the Oukei S9. Which one should I buy? The controller for the S9 seems to be pretty complicated, but the S9 has better variability and can produce short serves. The S27 can vary the spin more but not as variable. They are both about the same price. The Oukei model seems to have a better warranty and the build quality has been rated very high. Reminds me of the time I had 2 girlfriends...couldn't choose and ended up losing both! ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 11:18am
| Having two heads on the robot is like having two girlfriends, indeed. |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 1:01pm
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good one Imago. I just watched a video of the Newstar and holy ****! The variety of spin that robot does is amazing! Don't know what their track record is or what kind of warranty they have, but man, I've never seen a robot that can do so many different things. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 1:13pm
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No doubt, this is the best TT robot. So far. Still, there is one thing about robots. They can draw your attention for a long time only if you live alone in the wilderness.
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Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 10:38pm
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Hi Dave I have the y&t s27. Bought it last year. Used it less than a doZen times. It's a good basic robot but nOt flexible enough to give you serves |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 11:34pm
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Hey sandiway I saw the video of you doing the fh drill on your robot. Supposedly the oukei S9 can do serves. Have you ever used it? Good to see you're playing again. You should come stay at our house sometime and enter one of our tournaments. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 11:40pm
That looks pretty good. Now there are only two things that it is missing. 1. A motor to move the whole head assembly side to side so that balls can be shot at an angle. This is a tough one because the ball feed system probably will need to move too. 2. A detector to tell when the previous ball has returned before throwing the next ball. If I set up my Newgy for 1.0 second between balls and start moving back I find that I am hitting the next ball before the last ball I hit has got back to the Newgy. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 1:38am
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tt4me, better teach your neighbour to play table tennis Warranty and local Natl support/service is the most important thing about expensive and complex robots. BTW, it's not that difficult to extend the collecting net so that you can put the robot back from the table. Practically, all rotations in S9 greater than 10 require such viprakarSa (dragging away).
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Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 2:42am
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Hi dave, Be glad to play you again if we meet up. I have no experience with the Oukei, but if I were to do the robot thing again, I'd definitely get one just to practice return of serve, no other drills are useful at our level |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 2:57am
This is off topic. I have done better than that. I have my own club. I have a nice place to play at work where I can play 5 days a week and the 6th I play against my coach. I have a robot, a Newgy 2050 when there is no one around. A Newgy 2050 is not the best robot but it does a lot of what I need.
Agreed. I have wondered about getting spare parts. My Newgy is 3.5 years old. That is a long time for a mechanical device without much maintenance. Mechanically it has been pretty reliable. The electrical and programming parts are amateurish as if done in a garage. However, I bought the Newgy because it had a good parts list and there was an address in the US.
I have moved my Newgy 2500 far back from the table and angled the head so it shoots the best approximation of lobbed balls I can achieve. I can usually slam these back into the net even though it is 10-12 feet back. In this case I don't have to extend the net. I also have turned the motor up and thrown back spin balls from about 10-12 ft back to simulate heavy chops from way back. I can't hit these balls back into the net that far back because the balls have a lot of top spin so they drop quickly after hitting the table. I program the head so it moves back and forth between two points so I must move before looping the heavy chop. I would like to have the heavy topspin and backspin features of the Newstar 2080-C but right now I have opponents and a coach that is willing to abuse me with all the back spin I can tolerate. I am sure TT robots will get much better over time. I expect the programming to get much better. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 9:04am
| Where did you see the video of the Newstar? Could you post a link? |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 10:43am
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BRS...here is a link to some short video clips of what it can do. http://tt-robot.com/new-star-2080-c-table-tennis-robot-p-193.html" rel="nofollow - http://tt-robot.com/new-star-2080-c-table-tennis-robot-p-193.html It's amazing! ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: bschap
Date Posted: 05/18/2015 at 9:24pm
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reviving the thread! Nobody mentioned the Paddle Palace robots. Anyone know anything about them?
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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 05/19/2015 at 12:06pm
| I've had the top end paddle palace robot for 18 months. The owners manual pdf is available on their website. If you have specific questions that aren't answered in there you can pm me or post them here. |
Posted By: bschap
Date Posted: 05/19/2015 at 4:14pm
| are you happy with it? |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 05/19/2015 at 5:37pm
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Short answer -- no. I am replacing it because it doesn't do everything I want it to. IMO the price is too much for what it does, so I wouldn't buy it again (not new anyway). Long answer -- I have used the robot for hundreds of hours in 18 months. I learned a lot. My rating went up several hundred points. It has never given me the least bit of trouble in all that time, because it is built like a rock. It does what it said it would do, I just didn't know enough about what I wanted at the time. And honestly after spending about 800 hours with anything I am liable to get kind of bored and want a change. It's a severe EJing habit compressed all into one purchase. The new robot will be my fourth in three years. You may want to ask about the less expensive two-headed (two wheels each head) robot at PP. If I were going to buy from them again I might choose that one instead. But I've never used one of those (or even seen) so I can't tell you anything not on their website. Try to use any robot before you buy. It's expensive to change your mind, and online reviews are good, but not like trying one yourself. |
Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 05/19/2015 at 7:34pm
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Sure seems like there are a lot of robots on the market in the last few years. I bought a Newgy 5-6 years ago and never really used it a ton, mostly because of leg muscle issues. Lately I have been able to actually practice and I'm really noticing some limitations of it. I'm still getting value out of it but I sure think my development would improve with some extra features. So now I'm in the market for a new one. One thing it sure needs is variable spin to speed ratio (and no spin!). So for sure 2 wheels. The butterfly ones look rather interesting. Has to be reliable. Needs a certain amount of precision. Allow for random drills or longer sequences. I may be willing to pay for game like sequences - short push serve, long push to the backhand, no spin to the middle for example. Keep the thread going :) |
Posted By: bschap
Date Posted: 05/19/2015 at 8:07pm
| what's the best (most versatile, reliable, ease of use) robot in the ~$1,500 price range? Anyone? |
Posted By: Orangecrush
Date Posted: 05/20/2015 at 1:27am
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Just go buy a IPONG Master V300. Then have fun with it until a TT robot manufacturer starts to make a $1600 dollar one that suits your needs. Has 2 wheels and topspin, heavy topspin, backspin, frequency control, and oscillation feature. Can hold 100 balls and launch them at 90 balls a minute. Comes with a wireless remote that can save your ideal settings and you can adjust the above mentioned while playing. Yeah, I know. Everyone thinks that the IPONG models are junk. But they have done a good job with the new IPONG Master V300. And the one I have has not given me any of the problems people complained about in the past. It can launch the ball to the same place on my side of the table every time and all functions work flawlessly. I have never had a problem with it and it is still going strong even after 1000's of balls and endless hours of playing with it. I know it can't compete with the other TT robot's, but it is a lot of fun!!! ------------- Dawei Quattro Limda blade w/ Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 2.0 FH and Air Illumina Alpha Plus 1.8 BH Thanks to colestt.com |
Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 05/20/2015 at 1:08pm
I bought all the mechanical parts for a home made robot but untimely gave up the project due to busy schedule  I got the a bunch motors for wheel spin and disc rotation with independent PWMs. I got the rubber wheels, wires, battery compartment and batteries. The 2 motor-ed robot would be a manual 360 degree spin with manual oscillation for my first trial. The next level would be a remote controlled, auto 360 rotate and auto oscillation 4 motor-ed robot. Hopefully I can complete this project..... ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 05/21/2015 at 10:21am
the I-pong rocks!...you can do some fun things with these for not much money spent, it spins the ball well and is a very good tool for service return drills. this is all you need to advance your game at the mid. levels..
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Posted By: Orangecrush
Date Posted: 05/21/2015 at 11:59pm
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Hey FlatHitter, Which IPONG robot do you have? I have 2 of the Originals and 1 of the V300. I like the Original but the V300 has a lot more features and I think it launchs the ball better. Its a little more predictable where as the original will sometimes launch a ball or 2 in some weird direction. But it only happens maybe 1 or 2 balls out of a 100. So that is pretty good for a robot that only cost $80 bucks. If anyone is interested. I want to sell the 2 IPONG Originals I have. Shoot me a PM for a sweet price!!! ------------- Dawei Quattro Limda blade w/ Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 2.0 FH and Air Illumina Alpha Plus 1.8 BH Thanks to colestt.com |
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 05/22/2015 at 3:14pm
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I am a joola dealer, I sell them...I prefer the i-pong pro, retails for $200.00, it is not perfect, but the cheap price makes it a good investment. I own a USED $250.00 robo pong 2050, had to replace the drive motor myself after a few hours of training, personally i think the robopong is cheap, I didnt like them in the 80's and I still dont like them, but it gets the job done. butterfly has the best setup...IF i had to purchase a robot right now, I would buy the joola over the robo pong, huge price difference and it does MOST of the training that is useful for match play at the intermediate level...IF money is no option, by far...butterfly has the best robot on the market $2000,oo and some change.... ------------- If your phone is'nt ringing, it's probably me... |
Posted By: Orangecrush
Date Posted: 05/22/2015 at 10:23pm
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FlatHitter, You are a Joola dealer and sell the IPONG Pro for $200 bucks? You must be talking about MSRP because dealers like Megaspin sell the IPONG Pro for $116 bucks. Since you are a dealer haven't you tried out the new IPONG Master V300 yet? That is the one I have and I think it is IPONG's best robot to date. The IPONG Pro is nice, but it has the remote control wired to the robot. Where the V300's remote control is wireless which makes it much easier to use. Plus from what Megaspin quotes about the V300: "New improved natural ball trajectory thanks to new two wheel design, improved performance over the IPONG Pro". I know you say, if money was not an issue you would buy a Butterfly robot. I am assuming that you are talking about the " Amicus " Pro for 2K and some change. I went and took a look at it over on Megaspins website. I'll tell ya, that control panel looks very intimidating to me. It would probably take me a long time to get use to it. LoL On the other hand, I think that I would prefer a GUI interface that some of the newer robots have now. I'm not sure which one I was looking at but it has a touch screen to make adjustments. Which looks like it would be a lot easier to use than all those buttons and knobs on the "Amicus" Pro. But I agree with you that for the money and for the beginner to intermediate level TT players. You can't go wrong with IPONG robot's. I would just suggest that anyone reading this not buy anything less than the IPONG Original because the other 2 lesser models are battery powered. ------------- Dawei Quattro Limda blade w/ Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 2.0 FH and Air Illumina Alpha Plus 1.8 BH Thanks to colestt.com |
Posted By: Orangecrush
Date Posted: 05/23/2015 at 12:08am
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Hey FlatHitter, I just watched all the videos about the robots that Megaspin sells. I have to admit that the Amicus Pro is probably the best TT robot that you can buy. When I first looked at the control panel I thought it might be really complicated. But after watching the video on how it works, it is pretty easy to use. I guess my 2nd runner up would be the Smartpong. With the way it has the rotating head looks very interesting. Only thing is with the rotating head, I might get distracted by it. LoL ------------- Dawei Quattro Limda blade w/ Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 2.0 FH and Air Illumina Alpha Plus 1.8 BH Thanks to colestt.com |
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 05/23/2015 at 9:24am
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we tested the butterfly at the nats. in december, I was really impressed with the amount of backspin you can add for service return on short serves, a person could improve a lot if he/she spent the time to train with these things....I have not tested the new joola "digital" robot yet,but, I do like the older models.. ------------- If your phone is'nt ringing, it's probably me... |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 05/23/2015 at 11:31am
Does the rotating head act as a spin Indicator as well? ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: Orangecrush
Date Posted: 05/23/2015 at 11:04pm
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Egghead, You would have to watch the videos like I did to answer your question. ------------- Dawei Quattro Limda blade w/ Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight 2.0 FH and Air Illumina Alpha Plus 1.8 BH Thanks to colestt.com |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 10/06/2015 at 6:45pm
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Nobody interested in http://gigazine.net/news/20151006-omron-ceatec-japan-2015/" rel="nofollow - Omron Tabletennis Robot ? ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: ThijsG
Date Posted: 12/18/2015 at 4:36pm
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I have the robopong 2050. Bought it for 600€. It doesn't have all the features like some expensive robots but it does have the features you will use the most. disadvandages: - within 1 excercise it can't combine 2 kinds of spin (back and top). You have to exercise them separately. An exercise can start with a short service with for instance little to no topspin and the next balls would be faster and with more spin to other positions. A backspin service followed by a heavy topspin to block would be a nice plus. - speed and spin relation is always 1/1 there so it can't produce high arc slow superspinny loops for instance. this is because there is only one wheel to shoot the ball - setting up the head angle is manual work. It doesn’t change during an exercise but it doesn’t bother me. What I love about it; - especially the pre-programmed excercises. 64 of them!!! for all levels and if it is too fast for you, you can adjust the speed and time between shots. If even that isn't good enough you can program an excercise and import into the controller. Believe me it’s more than enough. I see lot’s of expensive robots take huge amount of time to set up a drill. My god I press 3 buttons and the machine is already putting me to work. 1 hour of training is 1 hour true training and not 50% setting up excercises. - Lot’s of excercises where you know 2 or 3 placements and the next one(s) is (are) surprise. You name it, it’s available. - There is a manual mode as well that can do a lot. You can let it randomly vary speed/placement, waiting time between shots, placement,… Robots that cost 3 times the price will probably do a couple more advanced excercises but is that worth the investment if you can train those with real opponents? Personally I would have been sold if the smartpong was available in my country and if it had the preprogrammed excercises. This one can vary the spin and head angle I saw Butterfly has a robot (amicus pro) that can do all (even mega spin balls) but its 2,5 times the price and I don’t like the fact that you can not see a robot head turning left or right. Again no pre programmed drills. My old club had a Tibhar Robopro master with 2 heads. It looks like a copy of other robots mentioned here. It was real difficult to program excercises because both heads are moving together as one and they can’t individually cover the hole table. On the controller you can see 11 positions to program but position 1 for head A is not within the range of head B so when you ask ‘1’ to head B you actually get position 3 or 4. Head angles were also manual work but this one cost 1800€ at that time. |
Posted By: ThijsG
Date Posted: 12/18/2015 at 4:47pm
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wouldn't go for Y&T. its the same as the Tibhar robopro master. not worth the money. |