Cheap medium to soft backhand rubber
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Topic: Cheap medium to soft backhand rubber
Posted By: kajba
Subject: Cheap medium to soft backhand rubber
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:06pm
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I have been searching alot in the forums but couldnt find "that" much. I have a confession to make and I am an EJ! :) Anyways I recently bought a new Rakza 7 Soft but it literally shrank 2mm on top and the bottom! During the time it was glued. Worst part is this happened after 3 practice session.. It hurts my wallet everytime i buy a new rubber as its so expensive and now I would like to have a "cheaper" rubber. The rubbers in sweden is expensive, about 400 Swedish Kronor for a rakza 7 soft which is 57 bucks! Is there any Cheap but decent rubber for a lower price range? XIOM rubbers goes for about the same price and same with BlueFire. ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
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Posted By: chandro
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:15pm
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take a moon galaxy and boosted. |
Posted By: SeeReed
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:16pm
Tenergy FX version. Don't know what price you will pay in Sweden. In US we pay around $62 per sheet and price are going down..... |
kajba wrote:Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:18pm
All Tenergy versions goes for 550 SEK which is 78.5 bucks.... We got VAT which makes it cost more :( ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: SeeReed
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:26pm
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Tenergy FX version. Don't know what price you will pay in Sweden. In US we pay around $62 per sheet and price are going down..... [/QUOTE] All Tenergy versions goes for 550 SEK which is 78.5 bucks.... We got VAT which makes it cost more :( [/QUOTE] Tenergy out last most other rubber, that makes the price lower then other rubber IMHO. I just check our local mail order house the Bluefire JP cost same as Tenergy now. |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:54pm
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Guys he wants something cheap, why do you even suggests Tenergy. Ill admit its not more expensive than most tensors because it lasts a bit longer(~6weeks vs ~4weeks if you play a lot) but still.... ------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 3:54pm
x2 ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: SeeReed
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 4:27pm
Okay, so what will be the cheap medium to soft BH rubber that OP asked? I'll like to know too. Rubbers required boosting dose not count because that is not tournament legal. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 5:25pm
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perhaps we should suggest cheaper places to buy rubbers for kajba? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 6:07pm
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Have you tried buying from TT11 in Estonia? Probably a lot cheaper. Last time I was in Stockholm I was shocked to find Stiga stuff more expensive than in US! |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 7:06am
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I can buy stuff from other countries as long as the postage fee is not too high! I usually buy my h3neo from ebay<- they are real and cost me 50% with free shipping compared to sweden! Sure i need to wait 2 weeks but still cheaper! but paying 50 bucks per backhand rubber is just not a good deal in my opinion. I usually use 1 rubber per season. I train 3 times a week and now with tournaments starting, there will be more playing time. ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: PatrickL2012
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 12:17pm
| I think a boosted BTY Sriver EL would be fine. |
Posted By: sevi78
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 12:39pm
| You can try some with joola Rhymz. There are three versions of hardness and here in Spain is not very expensive (32-34 €) |
Posted By: cje
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 12:45pm
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i'm a big fan of Palio AK 1997 on my BH- certainly cheap. Seems a very good rubber to me (but I've not tried many of the expensive rubbers)-and available in various hardnesses ------------- http://www.murrayfieldtt.com/ YEO/ Galaxy E-3/ FH: Skyline III Neo / BH: Palio HK 1997 |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 12:49pm
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Not sure if this is soft enough - 729 Focus 3 Snipe Also, R7soft - you stretch it too much when you glued, that why it strink. If you still going to stretch, then problem will still happen in the future. Xiom Vega Euro is pretty soft and cheaper than most tensors. |
Posted By: LethalForehand
Date Posted: 08/30/2013 at 1:56pm
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I had that same problem with shrinking, and here is the bad news: it will happen to most tensor rubbers that are factory boosted! Factory boosting lasts for a couple of weeks and that it! the feeling is different and the rubber shrinks! Very aggravating. The only way around is to boost it s bit, or use non-tensor type rubber IMO |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 3:43am
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I would suggest you Palio Blitz or something cheaper also from Palio ,Emperor Dragon. ------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 4:29am
Hows the speed compared to rakza? Is it soft? ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 4:48am
Ive tried Palio Hidden Dragon(its a non-tacky, euro-style rubber) and its a good backhand rubber, definitely a bit slower and more controlled than razka7. I would advice against Emperor Dragon or any other Dragon i think they are tacky hard forehand rubbers They cost like 8€ even if you dont like it too much it didnt hurt, Or try Dawei xp 2008, those are even cheaper and decent backhand rubbers for any non high level player ------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 5:01am
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Brian pace found it for u Tuttle Beijing 4 National Team 20 usd watch the video of hl 3 and get amazed :) he used it on the backhand! ------------- Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 5:17am
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Emperor Dragon is not a hard and tacky rubber, it's medium to soft and slightly tacky . The hardest from Dragon series is Wildish Dragon. I've tried rakza once or twice and I could say is faster than Blitz .My Blitz has 42.5 sponge hardness and to me is pretty soft. ------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: Re1Mu2R3
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 10:00am
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Bought a sheet of Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight (IQUL) 36 degrees last week to be used as an RPB rubber. About 20 hours game time later this thing still looks brand new except for the spot I press my fingers on. It's crazy. It can pretty much do everything you need it to. Mine is stamped 36 degrees but being an RPB player it felt pretty hard. It was probably just the top sheet though. The sponge felt more medium compared to butter soft German sponges. Only down side of this rubber was it wasn't really "Ultralight" as said in the package. ------------- How to play Table Tennis: #1. Be Chinese (Ethnicity) #2. Be Chinese(Citizenship) #3. BE CHINESE(In Heart, Mind and Spirit) #4: Get a Chinese Coach #5. Get a Chinese Forehand Rubber (Black) |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 10:25am
I saw that too and its looked amazing for the prize but its tacky :( ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 10:37am
Nope, it's completely non tacky, soft, good performance for the price. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 10:49am
I will order one then :). 15 bucks too! ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 08/31/2013 at 11:47am
completely non tacky japanese style. a bit too soft a sponge for my liking but since you want a soft one this would be perfect But only the Beijing IV be sure to order that. number I - III ARE in fact hard and tacky
------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: timtex37
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:35am
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OMG, I used to use Butterfly Sriver FX and or Stiga Neo Sound on my backhand and yes, it was quit a burden on my wallet. That was until I discover this great chinese rubber called " http://www.tabletennisdb.com/database/rubbers.php?brand=li-kuang-tsu-ktl" rel="nofollow - KTL (LKT - Li Kuang Tsu)" I use the LKT Rapid Soft and it cost about USD$15 here in China, purchased from http://shop.chinatt.com/ but sadly, they don't seem to carry it anymore. =( But I am sure you can find it sold somewhere else. For $15, I'm sure you don't have to think too long to give it a try to see if you like it. After using it for about 1 year now, I cannot justify ever again the need to spend $30 or $40 for a backhand rubber. Hope this helps. http://www.tabletennisdb.com/database/rubbers.php?brand=li-kuang-tsu-ktl" rel="nofollow - ------------- CPEN Blade Stiga Optimum Sync | OSP Virtuoso (awaiting) FH DHS SkyLine 2 Neo | BH LKT Rapid Soft | Shoes Mizuno Wave Drive A |
Posted By: timtex37
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:41am
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They sell the LKT Rapid Soft here for USD$14. Good luck! It is a USA store: http://www.zeropong.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=42_86&products_id=206 ------------- CPEN Blade Stiga Optimum Sync | OSP Virtuoso (awaiting) FH DHS SkyLine 2 Neo | BH LKT Rapid Soft | Shoes Mizuno Wave Drive A |
Posted By: collins.latag
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:46am
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Ever tried Gambler rubbers or LKT?. I'm low rated so I'm just suggesting and not recommending. :) ------------- PPisLife Blade:TBS Rubber: Donic |
Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 4:41am
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My vote goes for Galaxy/Yinhe Moon PRO in 33-36 degrees... ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 4:48am
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I can only imagine how terrible someone's game has to be to require a "BH rubber" to play decent. If a $10 galaxy max-tense truely "doesn't work" you should quit for the benefit of the sport. It's also most bizzare when EJs ask this since they of all people should be able to adjust for minor throw variations or whatever. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:22am
I can't believe you just said that. You should be banned from Table Tennis for the benefit of the sport. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:30am
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The image of tennis is also similarly tarnished by whiners and posers who can't play with x or y string. Between these and the realists I don't think it's much of any contest who makes any sport look bad. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:33am
And well done to you and trying to promote the sport!!! Big thumbs up |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:36am
Sorry for you too feel this way but from what i read its you who are bitter. No problem for an EJ to ask these question? My question was to get a hold of a rubber which is cheaper than the Rakza 7 Soft I am using right now. Replacing rubbers in the longterm is expensive. Nothing here said that I need another rubber to play decent and yes I might not be super good but I find it fun to try something from now and then but I dont expect I become godly when I get new rubbers. ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:37am
It seems you don't disagree, but rather prefer to cover up inconvenient truths rather than resolve them. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:40am
What are you on about? The OP was looking for good performing BH rubbers because his current stuff is expensive. Plenty of good suggestions made, but then you pop up with:
Terrible attitude, unhelpful, embarrassing. If all you can offer is a passive aggressive insult, why bother posting? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 5:46am
I'm not so much criticizing the OP as the responses. But if it's criticism you're after, then maybe try a couple cheap rubbers, analyze where they fall short if any and why you can't play effectively with them. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:04am
How are the "good suggestions" better than any generic list of rubbers that aren't too tacky or slow? Can you compare to the less good suggestions made?
No, quite the opposite. Trite epithets are embarrassingly unhelpful.
If someone's insulted by what's true, then I'd suggest they use something more insular than the internet. Personally I believe what was said had value, but what exactly is the value of your post? ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:08am
I hope this Agent know it all guy is banned from this forum. Can't believe he can insult so many people and still get away with it. Asking someone to leave the sport is just way over the limit for me.... so much for the worlds biggest forum and getting rotten by an individual who is rude, and thinks he/she is king and knows it all. Guys, don't quit the sports because some looser who comments like this. This is pure arrogance, stupid and very unfriendly who chases people away from table tennis is the real bad thing for any sport. Certainly not a role model for the great sport of table tennis!! Table Tennis for most people is about enjoyment, so please enjoy it, no matter with what skill levels you have, or what equipment you are using. It is about fun and spending a nice time (not to mention all the health benefits of this great sport) |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:13am
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I also think petty authoritarian types should be banned for the benefit of the sport. Irony overload.  ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:13am
Hey buddy Glad you are having fun. Just ignore that guy. If you read the post history from all he has commented, say the past 2 weeks. You can see he is really bitter person. imo, going for cheaper is good alternative, as many inexpensive items are really worth it I think there is already many good suggestions made in this thread already. Good luck and have lots of fun |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:17am
Apparently not bitter enough to start monologuing about other people, though. That's some next level stuff. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:23am
The value can be determined by the OP. He is looking for a cheaper alternative to his current rubber. Some suggestions seemed good IMO, some less so IMO, but the OP can make the ultimate decision.
The value I place on my post above is to hopefully make you consider what you think you contribute to this thread, and to others in future. You offer borderline offensive "advice" about quitting the sport if they require a "BH rubber". How does this help the OP in their search for a cheaper alternative to their current rubber? Have you made a suggestion yet which will help him answer his specific question? Or have you just used a vague insult about a player's level if they can't get something to "work"? I have already contributed to this thread earlier in a direct effort to help answer the OP's question. Also, the notion of what's "true" needs to be kept in context with the purpose of the thread. It's not only that someone might be insulted, but your comments are almost useless in the context of this thread's objective, which is to suggest cheaper alternatives to a currently-used rubber. Your contribution is just spam. You may as well jump in on every thread, offering "true" advice like "better keep breathing that oxygen, or you'll be in trouble". IMO, you push an anti-equipment agenda in as many threads as you can, and you derail some. You may think you are spreading "truth", but please bear in mind that you use an aggressive approach. Users shouldn't feel like they can't ask questions for fear of you (or others) jumping down their necks. If you feel strongly, start your own thread and have a nice old rant about the "truth" of how people who can't use Moon should quit the sport.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:27am
It's sad that ZApenholder feels the need to explain your off topic rant to the OP, yes. But I would look more towards your general attitude on the forum for the reasons for that need, rather than trying to deflect responsibility. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:37am
Can you try again but answer the question this time? If you can't think of any answer that's OK, too.
I don't think it's contentious that there are a lot of lesser players who ask for advice on pro equipment (ostensibly to elevate their game). When people give them the "answers" they want to hear, do you think that sort of deceit is willful or only out of ignorance? This is IMO a very meaningful question and hopefully you can try your best to answer.
I barely post a sentence or two, and the ridiculous overreaction just above is undeniable. Why do you feel it's appropriate to curtail some basic and evidently quite relevant elements, and not whatever the hell it is you're doing? Again, not a rhetorical question. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:43am
It's quite patronizing to make OT excuses for others as if they can't do so themselves. Speaking of OT, can you identify why a broader comment about BH rubbers is OT to a thread vaguely about BH rubber? This is related to the question as to how you personally judge answers to "which bh rubber am best", so answering either is fine. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:47am
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AndySmith, Thanks for sharing and confirming the same feeling as me. I have been ignoring Agenthex in all the threads that he has been derailing for a few days now. But the "leave the sport part" is way over the limit. Lets just ignore this guy, and hopefully this thread will not be derailed. If Mods wish to intervene, they are more than welcome. I really hope OP finds some solution and future members who search for this thread can find it usefull still. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 6:51am
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You know at first I thought these outbursts were just a matter of loss in translation, but then I remembered that hyperbole is well and alive in chinese, too. So if it's not a matter of language/culture barrier, can you enlighten us on what the problem is? ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:11am
No. This isn't S01E01 of the AgentHEX show, and the title of this thread isn't AndySmith's BH Rubber Opinions. The OP asked for alternatives, I supplied one, others offered their own opinions. My opinion isn't gospel, and if the OP wants any more info on any of the options offered then they can ask. If you want me to put a nice list together, start a new thread and ask me.
I wasn't aware that the level of the OP was known, or particularly relevant. The question was simply - a cheaper alternative BH rubber to R7S. These are the parameters given. I don't know what answers the OP wants to hear, all I can do is offer to the best of my experience what a cheaper alternative with similar characteristics would be. The OP also didn't limit the question to "pro" equipment, and I didn't see anyone on this thread suggest that Moon was inherently unusable. There were just suggestions made, and the OP is free to investigate any of these, or ask further questions. This may be a meaningful question to you. If so, I would highly recommend you start your own thread about it.
You are receiving some responses from me based on your first post in this thread. I'll quote the entirety of it below:
Sometimes, it only takes a few sentences to provoke a reaction, if they're good enough. You can take this opportunity to show the relevant elements in your post now if you like? I don't see who this post was aimed at, or how this helps the OP. This bit specifically interests me:
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:16am
The issue is - by confronting him, you automatically contribute to the derailing of the thread yourself. I feel that I've already done so myself in this case, so I'll stop now, and apologise to the OP. I too hope the OP can find enough useful info in this thread. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:21am
AgentHex aren't you ashamed to post with so little courtesy? as your command of English is better than the many people on here, for whom English is a second or even a third language, you seem to be enjoying a feeling of superiority to us ordinary mortals. But I can assure you, that now that we have been reading your posts for a while, its very apparent that your experience of TT is not very deep. You seem convinced of your own genius, but unfortunately your own posts are the proof that your confidence is misplaced. ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:21am
Why do you so profusely refuse to answer such simple question yet have such expectations of others?
I wasn't aware this was a "whining cus I didn't get answer I wanted" type thread. In the future in order to avoid confusion maybe these can be specially denoted so people more generally interested in TT can avoid them.
Since you mentioned terrible attitudes, maybe you can show the basic human courtesy of answering others' questions before acting as if they owe you explanations first. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:25am
Can you explain in more detail what this hand waving is specifically about? Be sure to use small words so those of us without deep understanding can understand. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:33am
Your lack of courtesy I am disappointed that a person of your genius has come up with such a pathetically weak answer. I wont waste any more time on you ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 7:38am
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I thought it would've been obvious enough from seeing my posts if not life in general that courtesy is selective rather than universal, which is why I asked if something about this situation was specifically amiss. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 8:35am
| I tried Tuttle Beijing 4, I found it fairly dead and unlively, just not as good as I thought it would be after reading about it, Mars 2 in 33/34 degree is better for a cheap backhand rubber. Or you can just go for gold and get a sheet of Mark V, no shrinkage problems then and it will do everything you need with great consistency |
Posted By: kajba
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 8:35am
Seriously, this has been Off-topic since your first post and to be honest, I enjoyed this forum UNTIL you started posting. No offence but you are a typical internet-troll and I could, I would have closed this topic. I started this thread by asking an alternative and cheap backhand rubber due to I dont want to spend so much money buying rubbers. This has NOTHING to do with how I play or WHAT IS BEST for backhand. This was a simple question on what could be a viable solution for me as an EJ who doesn't want to spend too much money. I got lots of good feedback from many here and all of them has been considered, which resulted me in me buying a rubber. But again, the question was an alternative rubber not what would suit me or what is best. So your post with: "I can only imagine how terrible someone's game has to be to require a "BH rubber" to play decent." Is totally unecessary. The same goes for "you should quit for the benefit of the sport.". If you havent noticed Table Tennis is a dying sport compared to lots of other sports. To be honest I even think E-sports is bigger than table-tennis. Your answer on with: I'm not so much criticizing the OP as the responses. But if it's criticism you're after, then maybe try a couple cheap rubbers, analyze where they fall short if any and why you can't play effectively with them. I am not after criticism but viable solution to my problem with rubbers being expensive. Once again nothing to do with HOW I play or WHAT IS BEST. Like yourself stated "It's also most bizzare when EJs ask this since they of all people should be able to adjust for minor throw variations or whatever." But this is not what I am after, once again. So ASSentHEX; If you have nothing to provide to the thread, please stop with what you are doing as it does not help at all. If you are looking to be banned, delete your account. And adding to it, please read the thread before posting anything and please step on lego. To the others, please dont feed the troll. EDIT: Another thing, if you want to discuss something which is not about the topic, USE THE PM BUTTON! ------------- Primary blade: Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:29pm
Palio Blitz has a somewhat softer version 42.5 deg (regular Blitz is 47.5 which is a bit harder than T-05). Softer version is a bit harder than T-05 FX so it should be exactly what you need. It is a genuine German tensor made under Palio brand at ESN, and it is quite controllable, not as catapult-y as many other Euro tensors a-la Donic Acuda or Bluefire series. You can get it for about $30 from ttnpp.com (shipping is rather cheap, about 2 dollars) http://ttnpp.com/store/german-style/495-palio-blit-z-42-made-in-germany.html" rel="nofollow - http://ttnpp.com/store/german-style/495-palio-blit-z-42-made-in-germany.html In speed it is a tad slower than Rakza but not by much. But better (less) sensitivity to incoming spin. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:32pm
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On the matter of disrespectful trolling: we do allow here some degree of impoliteness and some degree of troll-like deviation from the original topic. However, when a poster almost always does one of these two or combines them together, that of course draws our (mods, that is) usually unwelcome attention. I hope my unsubtle hint will be noticed. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 2:34pm
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I tried 729 origin for the 1st time this weekend and for $14 it delivers, especially on BH loops; flat hits suffer though but I think the cause is the tackiness of the rubbers still being new; broken in it will behave much better. the sponge is a bit too hard for hard blades though and I bet it suits better all wood softer ones. I did not like it much on the FH. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 3:43pm
Why don't you then if this sense of selfishness is so strong?
All I see is a random incomplete list of rubbers not too slow nor tacky. I've certainly asked the question of how this is any better enough times, yet not a single answer.
Again, "what am best bh rubber" is a pretty typical thread and this comment reflects that. Not everything in the world revolves around YOU, and my comments above already said as much.
Maybe if everything there is about "what am best key caps", it would be killing e-sports, too.
I realize it's not the advice what you wanted, but realize that sometimes in life that people giving you want isn't the best solution.
That's funny considered what I said is probably the only worthwhile thing added on top of what can be trivially found if you bothered to search for "cheap bh rubber" on the forum. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 3:46pm
Thank god maybe the mods will start policing these random outbursts when someone posts anything remotely out of norm on the forum. ---- Real talk: Courtesy is one of those traits that are best reciprocated instead of doled on welfare model. While someone can certainly choose to be the better person and take the high road it's also their personal prerogative not to at times. "Not everyone is interested in meaningful discussion", which is a nice way of saying that some stack rank it so far below their ego that they'll do anything to avoid looking bad. Someone has a different sort of better answer? Better trash the thread and blame them for it. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 8:50pm
do you seriously mean jimT did not think of you at all when writing what you quoted above?  silly me!!!!! why would he do that? ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 10:38pm
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OK, there is a conversation about you in the mods' lounge and one of them wrote something short and spot on about you: "It's such a shame that a person that can contribute such good content, feels the need to mix it with such negative content, often used to belittle others.." I am 100% sure only an infinitesimal minority of forum members and mods disagree with the statement. It would be our pride to see you becoming a better person so we can enjoy what I want to believe you really are: a potentially wonderful poster with a strong aim at enriching the community. Please let us know overtime that dark side of yours is only some still wet sticky varnish you can wipe off with the strength of your mind. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 09/02/2013 at 11:37pm
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Cheaper rubbers that work on the backhand I've tried are: Tibhar Aurus and Donic Baracuda. From Europe you can get them for way cheaper than in the US ($30-35). It just takes longer to ship to
the US (3ish weeks, most of that time is sitting in US customs though). Contra.de has pretty good discounts if you're buying multiple sheets of rubber. I'd recommend hitting around with some rubbers at your local club first though. |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 2:30am
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I have tried many rubbers. If you don't loop then try SP. If you loop then IQUL SV or Reg will work and both are cheap, at leas in the US. IQUL works but H2N or H3N work a little better on the BH if you can play with the harder sponge. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 9:03am
Not exactly the first thought that comes to my mind in response to a post from a guy who plays in a Swedish league (the original poster, if you follow the thread a bit).
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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 10:00am
If you have to ponder whether something seemingly outrageous is srs, it probably isn't. But better mods confirm when unsure, and I appreciate that. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 10:55am
Allow me to also clarify this side of the story: I've been on the internet for a long time, and probably seen more of these situations than almost any mod. Internet forum moderation tends to be reactionary to complaints, and this is evident when I ask about specific problems in details the reply always equivocates to some nebulous "general displeasure", ie someone lacks the substance to argue their case and thus deem other methods necessary to "victory". It's a terrible way to moderate since it rewards the squeaky wheel irrespective of merit, but then you get what you pay for (this would be example of gallows humor). For example, consider these very recent posts: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62518&PID=745189&title=playing-with-left-hand-for-right-handed-people#745189" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62518&PID=745189&title=playing-with-left-hand-for-right-handed-people#745189 . Baal here is demonstrably wrong in rather simple math, yet deems it necessary to to throw ad homs, unsubstantiated accusations, and outright fabrication to see what sticks. Less impressive mods are likely to believe some of this innuendo instead of investigating in any depth to see what's justified or not, and while that's unfortunate it's certainly not uncommon. This view of reality can be considered to be dark, and I completely agree that's how reality often is. People react irrationally when taken to task on plain facts, and some do whatever it takes to get their way. Not a surprise just as everyone sees everpresent desires here for cheap TT wins. Just be aware there's a somewhat mutually exclusive choice to either make the product bland enough to be palatable to the lowest common denominator, or drop the LCD's expectation of being pampered. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 11:45am
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Give it a rest. You jumped in to this thread, contributed nothing but vague insults about the OPs level, or anyone's level who can't use Moon, or who is asking for a BH rubber, or whatever. Then you got called on it, and look at the mess the thread has become. No apology from you either, just further nonsense about rubber lists, and the metaphysical nature of the internet community. If you can't see that your first post in this thread is totally useless, and borderline offensive, then I don't know what to say to you. There were thousands of more polite and useful ways you could have posted here. You could have asked for the OP's playing level/style. You could have helped by specifically showing how some of the suggestions might be a bad idea, and given your reasons. It was harder for you to post in the non-helpful, aggro way that you did, rather than just being polite and trying to help. But you did anyway, because BLAAAAAHHHH and whatever you have tried to justify since. So carry on. Keep jumping into threads with unhelpful and offensive posts. Let's see where that ends up. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 1:45pm
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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 9:17pm
This is another good example of what I said. Instead of trying to clarify what's going on, the first reaction was to create some people-drama, and then try to pawn off the blame on the victim of this trash. From the rampant dogpiling on this forum it's deducible that the collective experience is this works. It wasn't until maybe 5 posts down and heavy prodding that anyone even bothered to ask what was meant after it was already explained, and there've yet to be anything meaningful on the topic @ hand after this (recall it was cheap BH rubbers). This would've been a plausibly misunderstanding if it involved the sort to claim there's no way someone can be 1569.69 while playing with a soft-bodied animal, but this doesn't appear the case. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 9:41pm
| Someone needs to give the man a bucket to catch the dribble or give me one to throw up in ! :) |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/03/2013 at 9:58pm
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Will the blue one do? ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: Hautamaeki
Date Posted: 09/30/2015 at 5:10pm
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keep calm people, relax, it's table tennis. We try different rubbers, not because this is better, this has more spin, this has a bit more speed, this has blue sponge, this is red...it's all together, plus the feeling the rubber give while playing....I think, once you get a resonably fast rubber, with good spin, then, the biggest factor that makes you keep it or not...is the feeling, if you feel good using it, you can, attack fast, spinny, high, low, deep, short, with sidespin, no spin, flat hit, lob, smash, verything, once you find that rubber you will know, and you will keep it.
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Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 10/01/2015 at 7:15pm
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Joola Maxxx 450 Max is soft topsheet medium-soft big pore sponge. Heavy factory boosted already. ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 10/02/2015 at 7:39pm
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(zero pong) LKT- "rapid soft"...great backhand rubber for around $14.00..and it last forever! 32-35 degree sponge. you cant go wrong for the price. ------------- If your phone is'nt ringing, it's probably me... |
Posted By: Clarence247
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 1:49am
Hammond Pro Beta is great - I switched to it from Rakza 7 / soft and it's much better and cheaper!
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Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 4:06am
| You can buy rakza 7/ soft from ta q japan it cost about 40 $ shipping included. |
Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 7:33pm
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tabletennispont.com tt11.com dandoysports.com ------------- rating solid 1000 moving up to 1001 |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 12:53pm
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Trying to stay within the boundaries of this topic... of the rubbers mentioned above, can someone recommend a couple lightweight rubbers? Something not tacky that would play like like a Sriver or IQUL? LKT Pro XP? Air Illumina?
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Posted By: heavyforehand
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 10:10pm
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Gambler Reflectoid is pretty tacky, but I'd still suggest it as it is very light and is easy to use. It is also inexpensive and just great on the backhand.
Apparently I missed a lot of drama. That AgentHEX guy reads as a very angry and unhappy person. I felt bad for him reading this post and cringed multiple times. Hopefully he is doing better now. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive (86 grams) FH : Joola Rhyzm Max BH : Joola Rhyzm Max Weight - 186 grams |