T64 good for defensive?
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Topic: T64 good for defensive?
Posted By: liulin04
Subject: T64 good for defensive?
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 5:45pm
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I researched a little bit, and found out that Joo Se Hyuk and Yuto Muramatsu are using T64 for their forehand defensive play. Is T64 a good rubber for defensive forehands? Since T64 is the fastest amongst all Tenergies, wouldn't keeping the ball in bound be difficult since it is so fast? Also, how effective are chops with T64? Anyone with some insights on T64 w/ defensive style would be greatly appreciated, thanks! ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 6:04pm
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I use it on my backhand and I chop with it quite regularly. Yes, it is good for chop but it's main benefit seems to be the ability to hit or chop strongly from distance. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 6:13pm
Thank you friend. That's my main concern, I don't know if T64 will be a good rubber to chop from the distance. I am currently using Rakza 7 Soft as my forehand. Although it is good for chops, it does lack a bit of punch when I start attacking. So I'm looking for a more powerful rubber. Does the T64 produce good spins from chopping? On a side note, your alias Tinykin reminds me of Tin-Tin Ho, the 14 yrs old girl from England. Probably because of the Tin in front of it. =) ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Tinykin wrote:Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 6:27pm
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Just remember that T64 is designed to be used by loopers. You can chop with it but it is a narrow window to get it right. That is, it produces enormous backspin which carries a long way when done right. But it is not easy to achieve it every time. That needs the skill of Joo.
Me, I do it as a one-time stroke to slow the rally or get to a ball that I'm not in a position to topspin. Which is quite often these days.  ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 10:25pm
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I sometimes chop out of desperation with my rpb which has tenergy 64 on it, and it controls pretty well with moderately good spin considering I have it on a OFF blade (YEO). I imagine there must be some merit in T64 for Joo Se Hyuk to be using it as a defender, but I also imagine T64 must act more favorably for a choper like him on a slower/DEF blade. It's also worth noting that (according to the Butterfly poster-ads) Joo Se Hyuk uses it in 1.9mm thickness, and not 2.1mm like most offensive players use. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: karisle
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 2:49am
| I think it is good for the competition. Making hit or chop strongly from distance. |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:43am
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Too hard to be true - chop with T64... Less spin than 05 and more bad control, but everything is personal... If you have possibility - just get one and try it!!! |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:06am
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When it comes to choping and defending T64 outperforms the T05 and even the backsspin effect I create seems to bother much more my oponents than the T05. My training partner is very high lelel {english}defender and after he tried both he had no second thought and picked up T64 1.7. It was hard to convince him to try anything{older generation type} but now he regrets that he haven't changed earlier ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 2:19pm
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Do you guys recommend I go for a 2.1 or 1.9 t64? I play with a max r7 soft on my victas koji matsushita (90g). I will be putting a t64 on my Joo Se Hyuk (99g). I want to make sure that the sponge I choose can get the ball inbound since t64 is very fast. Perhaps 1.9 sounds like a good fit? What do you guys think? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 2:55pm
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You will feel better the blade with 1.7mm T64 if you want to change your T05. Thinner sponge gives you much more sensitivity and freedom in the movement if you want to play combined style. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 2:57pm
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62774&title=fs-used-tenergy" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62774&title=fs-used-tenergy you can try it cheap here. Its only for club play anyways. -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 3:55pm
Thanks but it won't fit my JSH, so I need to buy a new one to cover the blade completely ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 5:52pm
Those guys are using Tenergy for the FH attack, not defense. You can't play at such high level (esp LP) without finishing ability because opponents will simply play consistent. The question you should be asking is whether you need Tenergy for offense, not whether you can make such a fast rubber work for chopping. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:04pm
Good call, I actually am looking for a T64 for my FH attack. I need it to replace my current FH rubber, Rakza 7 Soft. Although the R7 Soft is good for chopping, it does not have the kick/pop when it comes to forehand attacks. Simply popped up shots that often were missed and loops were not fast enough for the speed kill. So I am hoping the Tenergy will bring my offensive to another level.  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:20pm
Clearly your post does not make sense. You're asking about T64 as a defensive rubber but now you're saying you're looking for T64 to attack. ? you also need to clarify that your sig's is not your USATT rating but your own rating, people will get confused when giving advise because they don't know your true playing level. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:23pm
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I don't think anyone can accurately answer this sort of question but yourself since it requires too much detailed and nuanced info like average distance from table for topspins, amount of current power on shot compared to personal potential for power, etc. Also very important is level of touch esp for FH, which is hard to qualify. There's a lot of space for adjustments in one's game before resorting to faster and therefore somewhat harder to use equipment which detracts in other ways. Have you just tried non-soft Rakza? ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:26pm
They're sides of a coin for any defender. Best for those without no knowledge of def to refrain from discussion about it. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:34pm
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I think go for T64 1.9mm, I think 1.7mm may be too thin and 2.1mm is too thick/bouncy. 1.9mm should be idea for you to get a good feeling and control and let it hit the blade enough to "slow" down the ball when chopping. I have Xiom Sigma II Euro on my forehand, and at times, I will chop (cpen) on my forehand, so a fast rubber can defiantly use to chop the ball. I think it is because of the low arc rubber, that you can use your power to make the arc. T05 arc is high, so I have a feeling that the ball may be weaker for chopping sake as it will shot higher arc and if using more force may end up pushing the table off, hence less control. I'm no pro in Tenergy rubbers, so just a guess. |
Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:38pm
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1.9 for chopping and blocking, 2.1 if you will counterloop at least 50% of the time ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:49pm
I was referring to the OP. But since I don't know your playing style, then perhaps you should take your own advise. I play modern defender. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 6:59pm
It's always unfortunate when a modern defender have trouble figuring out that FH is used for attacking as well as defending. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:04pm
I think we all know that Modern Defenders attack on FH side too, otherwise they are not called Modern Defender. Since OP is asking about 2 world class choppers using T64 to Chop/defensive play, are you saying those 2 guys aren't suppose to chop with it? Didn't want to intervene, but I think you are derailing a simple OP question by bringing in attack on FH side only with these offensive rubbers. I'm pretty certain OP knows T64 is an offensive rubber and as he stated (even though a bit confusing), I believe he is looking for a fast rubber that can chop and attack, just like the 2 world class guys stated in the OP. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:06pm
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The OP is quite aware of what he's ask for, thus his reply. Apparently not all all modern defenders are aware of simple facts that even you as an outsider know. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:08pm
You will be suprised how knowledgeable a lot of people are. Btw, why do you call me an outsider? You an insider or what? |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:14pm
If anything I'm typically surprised by the opposite. I'm calling you an "outside" to modern defense since you don't play it and therefore shouldn't necessarily be expected to know as someone who does. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:39pm
Then I think I should suggest to you that with this logic, you will make a lot of wrong calls/expections. I do not specialise in modern defender as a player, but such little detail is considered general knowledge nowadays to even non players. So I can only guess that you haven't met much of these people yet. But then again, I may be quite knowledgeable with modern defending due to certain exposures and experiences I have gathered over the past 20 odd years or so or lets rather say less 6 as I hardly hold my bat in that time. So basically I am no pro, but I do "know enough" , in fact as a penholder, I am properly a better shakehand coach than some coaches I know. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 7:43pm
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How is this in any way relevant to anything? ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 2:26pm
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I know T64 is an offensive rubber, but I wanted to see if it will be a good rubber to chop defensively while retaining its offensive capabilities for the modern defense ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 2:48pm
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as usual, someone is looking for an emotional response since he has no practical experience. anyone can chop with any rubber depending on your technique and equipment combo. any shot can be thought of as OFF or DEF depending on placement. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:05pm
The simple answer is that is if you don't have any problem with touch on FH with already reasonably fast rubber, tenergy might be ok. Joo is obviously good enough to do it, but not all amateurs are. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:10pm
Those with much practical experience should know a decent level is possible with a clipboard, but that doesn't make it a good idea. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:43pm
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Really the only way to know is to try it, that's the one biggest thing I have always discovered about equipment. Most of the really good equipment I have ever found is when I have tried a clubmate's new blade or rubber or something. When I have tried stuff based on things said on forums I am more often than not giving it away or selling it very soon thereafter. I still make that mistake on occasion. So better yet, try someone else's. You will know fast if you like it. My only two cents on this (since I am no chopper!!) is that there are two really good choppers in Houston (~2300-2400). Neither use it. One of them attacks whenever she can with her forehand. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:51pm
another empty post. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:55pm
from the king of self-inflicted burns 
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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/18/2013 at 11:44am
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Just ordered a T64 from FastPaddle, it is $61.99 by the way, $1 cheaper than other places, so I highly recommend Chong's products. I look forward to testing out the rubber this weekend if it arrives by Friday! Hopefully it is what I am looking for all these time ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/18/2013 at 12:05pm
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Good luck Liulin, let us know your findings  |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/18/2013 at 10:47pm
Thanks man, I hope it will work out in my favor ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |