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Topic: New Xiom Vega Blades
Posted By: AndySmith
Subject: New Xiom Vega Blades
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 8:25am
Hmmm. TT11 just gave the heads-up on these:

http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-blade-xiom-vega-pro-tt21445685#.Ut0fwodFDGg" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-blade-xiom-vega-pro-tt21445685#.Ut0fwodFDGg

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More Zeph carbon, "jointless" wood, a wide flare handle option. According to the VAST amount of writing on the blade face, there's also a Tour version with an Hinoki outer.

Can make some guesses from the handle-end pictures. Both Pro and Euro have the fibre under the outer ply. The Outer plies look different between the two models - Euro has the "leopard" pattern, so I guess koto? Pro has a slightly porous wood for the top ply - limba?

I liked the Hayabusa ZXi, but it was a bit of a full-on blade. Would be interesting to see more details - blade thickness would help a lot. Zeph had a nice feel to it, and I'm highly curious about the hinoki Tour... (edit - they are 5.8mm, so only slightly thicker than the ZXi)

Still, Xiom, come on. Why re-use the Vega name for a range of blades? This will get confusing - "I'm using Vega Pro and Vega Euro on a Vega Euro, but I have a backup setup of Vega Euro and Vega Pro on a Vega Pro". Bah.

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Posted By: mg
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 8:38am
Yeah, Koto on the Euro and maybe Limba on the Tour...Prices are a bit lower than for the Hayabusa blades and the design (if one doesn't mind the novel that's printed on the blade's face) is more simple. If there also Omega and Sigma series coming... 

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 10:14am
Re: blade names, someone in their marketing department needs to be shown the door...

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Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 2:35pm
The top ply on the pro is limba wood. It will be interesting to see how the blades perform.

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 2:40pm
the tattoo on 1 face is just too overwhelming.


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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 5:15pm
Terrible names, it will get very confusing like Andy said. Also, the price seems inflated for something that has the appearance of a mediocre product. Fortunately, my Hayabusa ZXi is a quality blade. I love every rubber that I have ever tried from Xiom but as far as blades go they have the Hayabusa ZXi and the Stradivarius. All of their other blades seem very whatever to me. It's rather disappointing because I consider them to have the best rubber of any other company.


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 01/20/2014 at 11:55pm
as if Xiom's product line couldn't get any more obnoxious

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Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 1:04am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Re: blade names, someone in their marketing department needs to be shown the door...


Already did. That's why they're recycling these blade names  LOL


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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 4:49am
Is it possible the marketing department decided to call them the Vega Europe and Vega Pro blades, so as to indicate that they are a good match with those particular rubbers?

Although I've not seen or played with the either the Vega Pro or Vega Europe blades; I know that Vega Europe is a good match on the Xiom Fuga; which is another Xiom blade that has Koto outer plies, like the Vega Europe blade.




Posted By: n8stee
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 6:59pm
The names need work but I don't really care because I know if I buy something from Xiom I'm getting a great product. I'll win with them.LOL
 


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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 8:18pm
i kinda like the really plain look… well except the tattooed side

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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 8:25pm
so does this mean that we will expect a XIOM Vega Asian?  Would people find the name racist?


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/21/2014 at 8:29pm
No, next one will be Xiom Vegeterian or Xiom Vegan.


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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/22/2014 at 12:44am
Xiom has really nice blades and rubbers but the rubbers are confusing with the names. Also I find the FL grips rather strange feeling. What exactly is a "Hayabusa"?

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Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 01/22/2014 at 1:28am
Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

What exactly is a "Hayabusa"?
はやぶさfalcon (esp. the peregrine falcon, Falco peregrinus)


Posted By: straits85
Date Posted: 01/22/2014 at 5:59am
A Suzuki bike LOL


Posted By: pdotec
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 10:23am
what happened to xiom vega euro blade??
It is no longer listed on tabletennis11.com website.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 10:34am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

as if Xiom's product line couldn't get any more obnoxious


??????????????????  They sell high quality blades for a reasonable price.  Their rubbers are standard ESN issue.  What is obnoxious?  Names?  Who cares?  I don't get it.


Edit added.  They do have a tendency to drop products from their line about as quickly as Taylor Swift drops boyfriends.


Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

They sell high quality blades for a reasonable price.  Their rubbers are standard ESN issue.  What is obnoxious?  Names?  Who cares?  I don't get it.
Edit added.  They do have a tendency to drop products from their line about as quickly as Taylor Swift drops boyfriends.
+2...also like John Mayer drops GFs....Big smile

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 6:52pm
too bad the first generation blades were much better in quality and performance and they discontinued them

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 8:29pm
do ppl still sing & dance around that Xiom Offensive S or whatever? Is it dying down?


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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 02/08/2014 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

too bad the first generation blades were much better in quality and performance and they discontinued them

especially the first gen blades that have a Lion symbol "design by micheal s. meister"
blade was given with awesome packaging.

this guy actually create a lot of beautiful high-end blade such as soulspin and basaltec(nittaku).


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 02/10/2014 at 12:07am
I seems Xiom has taken these blades off the market again... not sure why or when they'll bring them back. Some shops no doubt still have some stock though.


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 02/10/2014 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

as if Xiom's product line couldn't get any more obnoxious


??????????????????  They sell high quality blades for a reasonable price.  Their rubbers are standard ESN issue.  What is obnoxious?  Names?  Who cares?  I don't get it.


Edit added.  They do have a tendency to drop products from their line about as quickly as Taylor Swift drops boyfriends.

No, the names aren't what's most obnoxious; it's the umpteen amount of rubbers they're releasing. Tibhar is starting to catch up.

And yes, the discontinuing of blades is annoying also.


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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/04/2014 at 11:30pm
Good Day Pongers :) My 1st post and i'm Perry from the Philippines. My equipments are as follows...

Main setup (just shifted last night ^_^): Xiom Vega Pro Blade / Andro Rasant Turbo / Xiom Omege V Pro
Backups: BTY JMizutani / Andro Rasant / BTY Tenergy 05  -  BTY Photino Light / DHS Hurricane 3 / BTY T05fx

This beauty arrived yesterday from TT11 Estonia :), got so excited and hurriedly went to local club and tested it. This i found out.. Xiom's Zephylium & X-Carbon hype? all TRUE!!!!

It's lighter than MJ! Huge sweet spot (imho, about 3/4 circular area compared to main setup MJ which is about 1/2 sweet spot). Catapulting is so easy compared to MJ :)

However, i'd like to add, in my opinion, this blade is well suited for asian-style stroke, closed-angle bat stroke and full arm swing.. i tried euro style like timo stroke but the blade performance is mediocre. My guess is that, Xiom's other new blades like the omega ones are suited for other strokes, but for asian stroke, this blade definitely. :)

Fine craftsmanship of the blade and excellent price/sale/parcel handling from tabletennis11 are bonus to this experience :) 

Regards,
Perry from the Philippines




Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/04/2014 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

as if Xiom's product line couldn't get any more obnoxious


??????????????????  They sell high quality blades for a reasonable price.  Their rubbers are standard ESN issue.  What is obnoxious?  Names?  Who cares?  I don't get it.


Edit added.  They do have a tendency to drop products from their line about as quickly as Taylor Swift drops boyfriends.

No, the names aren't what's most obnoxious; it's the umpteen amount of rubbers they're releasing. Tibhar is starting to catch up.

And yes, the discontinuing of blades is annoying also.


Add Donic to that list.


Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/04/2014 at 11:43pm
tron52,

nice first post! good pics

Baal,

Donic is catching up... for a long time they seemed pretty sensible, focusing on the acuda line and having baracuda in the mix... but with the JP's on top of the bluefires which aren't old to begin with... sheesh. tons of new blades also, but to my knowledge they're not discontinuing them like Xiom tends to


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/04/2014 at 11:47pm
How many versions of Bluefire can there be?  I'd say they are pretty much there.  But they win on style points for not discontinuing blades a year after they introduce them.  Just saying that it is not just XIom that went down the path of offering a blizzard of every so slightly different products.  In the case of rubbers, it is really everybody who gets their rubbers from ESN.


Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/04/2014 at 11:53pm
I think Xiom takes the cake for confusion though. So many families of rubbers and how do they relate? Vegas, Omegas, Sigmas... bleh. I suppose Tibhar is the same: Nimbus, Aurus, MX/EL/FX-P, Qxwhatever. Something about Xiom just turns me off. I guess it's a personal issue!

edited to add: Tibhar... forgot about Sinus and Genius... man they have a ton


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/05/2014 at 4:50am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

I think Xiom takes the cake for confusion though.

I think Victas can probably trump that one; VS > 01, V > 01 Stiff, VO > 101, etc Big smile


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Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 03/05/2014 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

How many versions of Bluefire can there be? 


I think I counted 9 so far.  Big smile


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/07/2014 at 5:43am
just noticed the vega pro blade is made in Korea! that's interesting.... all others are currently made in China, I believe

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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/07/2014 at 6:12am
you are correct, and it's top quality blades :)


Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 03/07/2014 at 11:45am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

just noticed the vega pro blade is made in Korea! that's interesting.... all others are currently made in China, I believe


The Hayabusa line are made in Korea. I know my ZXi is made in Korea.


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/07/2014 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

just noticed the vega pro blade is made in Korea! that's interesting.... all others are currently made in China, I believe


The Hayabusa line are made in Korea. I know my ZXi is made in Korea.

How do you know?

edited to add: ah, now I see it in the description


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/07/2014 at 9:08pm
The Vega are a variation on the Hayabusa blades...so no doubt they are made by the same manufacturer.



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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/08/2014 at 3:00am
funny xiom tag line 'win with us' is, i am actually getting more wins with this blade ^_^

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 03/09/2014 at 12:19am
I feel like marketing wise they did not exploit full length the "hayabusa" with the zeph/carbon line of products; it seems like they just push it further with that vega series of blades without adding substantial features; new name, new campaign, new game for them only.
the vega pro and europe !blades! are attractive anyway.


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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/09/2014 at 4:41am
i'm just wondering, the announcement of vegas and omegas has been done months ago but only vega pro was released, even the vega euro was pulled-out i think... fortunately, vega pro was just right the blade for me :)

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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 03/12/2014 at 9:26am
Xiom is now available in Thailand. Big smile I grabbed a vega pro today. 
The work is very delicate and this blade is jointless as claim. Delicate limba grain. 
low side of Off + / high end of Off.
Composition is like MJ but Feel softer than BTY MJ
Really heavy I got 93  it is around 92-95 as I measure others.

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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 03/12/2014 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by tron52 tron52 wrote:

Good Day Pongers :) My 1st post and i'm Perry from the Philippines. My equipments are as follows...

Main setup (just shifted last night ^_^): Xiom Vega Pro Blade / Andro Rasant Turbo / Xiom Omege V Pro
Backups: BTY JMizutani / Andro Rasant / BTY Tenergy 05  -  BTY Photino Light / DHS Hurricane 3 / BTY T05fx

This beauty arrived yesterday from TT11 Estonia :), got so excited and hurriedly went to local club and tested it. This i found out.. Xiom's Zephylium & X-Carbon hype? all TRUE!!!!

It's lighter than MJ! Huge sweet spot (imho, about 3/4 circular area compared to main setup MJ which is about 1/2 sweet spot). Catapulting is so easy compared to MJ :)

However, i'd like to add, in my opinion, this blade is well suited for asian-style stroke, closed-angle bat stroke and full arm swing.. i tried euro style like timo stroke but the blade performance is mediocre. My guess is that, Xiom's other new blades like the omega ones are suited for other strokes, but for asian stroke, this blade definitely. :)

Fine craftsmanship of the blade and excellent price/sale/parcel handling from tabletennis11 are bonus to this experience :) 

Regards,
Perry from the Philippines

Perry,

Would you be able to compare it other  blades in the same category, especially those from Xiom and Hayabusa?


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 03/12/2014 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by Crowsfeather Crowsfeather wrote:

Xiom is now available in Thailand. Big smile I grabbed a vega pro today. 
The work is very delicate and this blade is jointless as claim. Delicate limba grain. 
low side of Off + / high end of Off.
Composition is like MJ but Feel softer than BTY MJ
Really heavy I got 93  it is around 92-95 as I measure others.

Included Free rubber protectors and free sandpaper for blade shaving.
Awesome work.

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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/12/2014 at 10:05pm
@crow

i don't own any xiom blades other than this, i have mj and photino light though. i love my mj cause it's limba/zylon and i do catapult a lot, zylon for the sweet spot, however, mj is heavy, my performance deteriorates very fast, i wont last if the entire sets drags up to the very end. 

i bought photino light because.. you're right.. LIGHT ^_^ super light about 72g, perfect for my over-worked arm, i can last to the very end, however, that's it, it's only the weight that helped me. photino is super fast, too difficult to control, and also less ball-feeling, hinoki isn't really my type...

everything i liked about mj and photino light is in xiom vega pro.. it's limba, it's light.. with Zephylium (this is the super-zylon of BTY i think, the one found in ZJ SZLC) & X-Carbon... huge sweet spot!


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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 12:22am
Really ? This blade is super ZLC. Wow  Clap I never know that.

Yes sweet spot is HUGE!!
I did not had a chance to play with it yet , laquering and stuff lolz.




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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 12:47am
yes it is, lucky us eh? :D


here's one that i found on the web... read the last sentence... i could pm you the link if you like..


What is special?

Zephylium & X-Carbon

Different from typical Zylon, as Zylon is 3k in thickness while Zephylium is 1k

Different from typical Carbon, as many uses 6k and 3k in thickness while X-Carbon is 1k.

Composition that we use is about 2~4 times more expensive than typical composition. We have used these compositions to lower the weight and also to increase the feeling of the blade.

If the carbon or zylon are too thick or heavy, it will interfere with the feeling of the blade.

But therefore we use only 1k (despite the price) in order to bring the best of the composite blade

(Currently only blades that uses these compositions are Hayabusa, BT Super Zhang Jike, and Vega)



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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 11:15am
Looks like Xiom's marketing has invented a new length unit. How thick is "3k" or "1k"? Ermm


Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 11:48am
I never try ZJK SZLC or Hayabusa.

I put Hexer HD and borrow old andro blowfish - - (why did I do that) 30 min testing and it goes around various people in my club.

For final conclusion this blade is (medium-hard and not very flexy) in hardness 
Basic stroke goes fast with a very precise control,dwell time is good. Speed is some where around 9.0 BTY scale, opinion from many testers.

Good for looping spinny loop is easy to perform, drive loop is  .
Good for smashing you get what you give it goes really fast.
Shot game not bouncy at all.

Vibration and feed back is very similar to those ZLC property.
If I had time I will borrow someone BTY MJ and BTY MM"alc" and compare as their composition are very similar( limba outer with 5+2 ply).

And yes, TMB ZLC is faster than this.
Zetro-quad is a tad slower with better control, well it's an another story, not comparable.




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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 12:32pm
Here's info & review taken from another forum (& translated by google):

NEW BLADE:

Xion 's new board Vega Pro - (summary translation)

VEGA PRO

Structure: 5 + 2 Composite Ply Wood (Zephyli I & X-Carbon)

Character: OFF ~ OFF +

Grips Available: FL, ST, CP (WFL for China only)

Origin: Made in Korea

What is special?

My Zephyli & X-Carbon

Different from typical Zylon, as Zylon My name is Zephyli 1k 3k in thickness while

Different from typical Carbon, 6k and 3k in thickness while as many uses X-Carbon is 1k.

We use that composition is about 2 ~ 4 times more expensive than typical composition. We have used thes Compositions to lower the weight and also to the increased the feeling of the blade.

If the carbon or Zylon are too thick or heavy, it will interfere with the feeling of the blade.

But we use only 1k to thereforeme (depite the price) in order to bring the best of the composite blade

(Currently only uses blades that are thes Compositions Hayabusa, IT Super Zhang Jike, and Vega)

Zylon Carbon 1k, 3k and classic carbons kalınlığındayk 3ve in the Zephyli kalınlığındayk 6k carbon that x is 1 k. (Zephyli I & X-Carbon) board increases the feeling of ease and balls. I Hayabusa Xion this technology in the world, Butterfly Super zhangjik and Vega are used in wood.

Jointless Wood

Usually, when many companies produce Manufactoring blades, they use them for two veneers and joint together to make one piece of veneer.

For example, Rosewood wood is very difficult to find one single piece of wood for the blade. Uses two veneers, Therefore many companies to join them into one piece to make it one for the surface veneer.

Also if you open up the blades and look at each veneer, you can see that most of them are jointed. But if you look at that blade, all our Jointless layer of veneer woods area.

What is so good about Jointless woods? Think about wearing a shoe that is cut in half and glued back together. How would this feel? This applies You same as the blades, Jointless if you use wood, it will be the increased the performance and stability of the blade.

Why does not use other companies Jointless Manufactoring wood. Because it is expensive and hard to get. Usually in order to make Jointless blade, it will require 100 ~ 300Y old wood to be used. But as you know the thick of the wood and older it is the more expensive it is.

(Because the wood is old, the wood grain on the surface might feel bit more rough than other blades. This is same as people, if we get older we get more winkles, same applies You for the wood, the wood is older and the winkles are somthing we can not get rid of)

Many firms outer and in the inner layer to reduce costs, one-piece wood layers instead of two separate residual layer combine in a single piece uses but Vega board each layer of the cost high, though aged, carefully selected from one piece is produced. 100-300 year old trees for each board using the cost of production is done in moderation.

Glue

Natural Glue is used to make this blade in order to maximize and control of the ball while catching impact.

Most of the blades are Produced by using epoxy glue, in order to the increased production.

Epoxy glue dries up much faster than any other glue, and it is well used for mass production. (Usually uses hot press to the increased productivity)

However, the epoxy glue forms a thin layer of glue drying up while Between the veneer that blocks the smooth feeling of the blade and also increases hardness of the blade. This is not good for the better control and catch Requires which professional players.

Natural Glue is highly favorable note the way for the company due to the fact that most of manfactoring it needs a long time to dry up. However, we have made ​​separte drying storage for only series which Vega HeLPS to dry naturally.

And naturally when it is dried up, the glue will eventually absorbed into the evaporator and the wood, leaving absolutely no any glue Between the layer of veneer.

When pasting layers of trees in the natural glue adhesive Vega is cool. Many firms board construction Epoxy adhesives uses but this adhesive between the layers are very thin although the adhesive layer leaves but natural adhesives takes quite some time to the natural form of dried layers of the evaporated glue due almost no extra layer does not form.

Thile & Made in Korea

Thil is our quality control. Easily Wood is breathing thing that changes according the to the surrounding environment.

, Therefore, Temperature, Humidity, Insecta, and Light are very importante to the managment of wood. Our factory is in Korea Thil controled factory to make sure that the wood is at the point of production at their best shape.

Made in Korea. In order to make it to the blade, it must go through 20 different types of machines. 20?? Yes! about twice or three times more machines that is required to make a blade. We use 20 different machine in order to make sure the quality of the blade are all same at all time.

Boards in South Korea produced and quality, smooth and standards to be produced each board passes through 20 different machines. Many firms in the construction of wood or 3te1 half of this number I use the machine up.

SURPRISE!

Jang Woo Jin customized Hayabusa used.

In easy words, VEGA blade. :)

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 12:37pm
So, for those who have owned Zephylium & Zylon - based blades in that past: how similar are those two fibers? 

Is this blade (Xiom Vega Pro) the same as the new Mizutani SZLC that ttping85 is waiting for?


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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 1:34pm
@slevin - i own an mj (zylon-carbon) and vega pro blade (Zephylium-X-Carbon), both have limba top ply. based on my findings, vega pro is lighter and has bigger sweet spot than mj.

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Posted By: tron52
Date Posted: 03/13/2014 at 1:35pm
and way more cheaper for that matter ^_^

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Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 03/16/2014 at 3:36am
Perry, thanks a lot for shopping at tabletennis11.com. Your new blade looks awesome! 
Enjoy your new blade! :)
TT11 team

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by tron52 tron52 wrote:

Good Day Pongers :) My 1st post and i'm Perry from the Philippines. My equipments are as follows...

Main setup (just shifted last night ^_^): Xiom Vega Pro Blade / Andro Rasant Turbo / Xiom Omege V Pro
Backups: BTY JMizutani / Andro Rasant / BTY Tenergy 05  -  BTY Photino Light / DHS Hurricane 3 / BTY T05fx

This beauty arrived yesterday from TT11 Estonia :), got so excited and hurriedly went to local club and tested it. This i found out.. Xiom's Zephylium & X-Carbon hype? all TRUE!!!!

It's lighter than MJ! Huge sweet spot (imho, about 3/4 circular area compared to main setup MJ which is about 1/2 sweet spot). Catapulting is so easy compared to MJ :)

However, i'd like to add, in my opinion, this blade is well suited for asian-style stroke, closed-angle bat stroke and full arm swing.. i tried euro style like timo stroke but the blade performance is mediocre. My guess is that, Xiom's other new blades like the omega ones are suited for other strokes, but for asian stroke, this blade definitely. :)

Fine craftsmanship of the blade and excellent price/sale/parcel handling from tabletennis11 are bonus to this experience :) 

Regards,
Perry from the Philippines

Perry,

Would you be able to compare it other  blades in the same category, especially those from Xiom and Hayabusa?


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Posted By: pdotec
Date Posted: 03/16/2014 at 12:40pm
so is vega euro blade ever coming out?


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/16/2014 at 2:30pm
What is the face size? 157x150? 158x152?

Speed relative to the ubiquitous composites (TB-ALC, Viscaria, etc)?

Is the fiber under the outer layer or next to the core (like Innerforce series)?

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Posted By: Enter_Thrice
Date Posted: 03/23/2014 at 7:45am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

What is the face size? 157x150? 158x152?

Speed relative to the ubiquitous composites (TB-ALC, Viscaria, etc)?

Is the fiber under the outer layer or next to the core (like Innerforce series)?

I´m also interested about the head size and the position of the layer.
Does anyone have information about that?


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/23/2014 at 7:50am
From the pics above, and on tt11, the fiber looks to be under the outer ply.

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Posted By: asimriz
Date Posted: 03/23/2014 at 12:18pm
LOVING THIS BLADE ! When is Xiom Vega Euro coming out ?? Also, wot are the dimensions of the FL handle on this blade ? I've never used XIOM blades before. Thank u in advance Tongue


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 03/29/2014 at 6:39pm
I received my Vega Pro today from tt11. The good news is that crazy printing in the pictures is just a plastic stick on sheet.

First impressions are very good, nice box, clean design. There were a few caveats: it's uncomfortably sharp on the bottom edge of the handle (FL) and along the blade's edges. As others noted you get a sanding stick in the box so you can finish it up. The handle is a little narrower than I like so I'll probably end up wrapping it.

I glued on some new H2 and TG2 NEO. Both of these take some time to break in so I'll post back playing impressions after a few days.


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 04/13/2014 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by pdotec pdotec wrote:

what happened to xiom vega euro blade??
It is no longer listed on tabletennis11.com website.

According to Pascal at Contra.de the Euro is expected in May or June.


Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 3:40am
rusttt,
How is it with H2 & TG2 Neo?
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:



I glued on some new H2 and TG2 NEO. Both of these take some time to break in so I'll post back playing impressions after a few days.


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 8:05am
Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

rusttt,
How is it with H2 & TG2 Neo?
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:



I glued on some new H2 and TG2 NEO. Both of these take some time to break in so I'll post back playing impressions after a few days.


I really like the TG2 NEO. With that rubber I have the full range of shots from looping underspin to smashing anything that pops up and can even chop pretty well. h2 versus underspin has been a disaster for me. If I didn't engage the sponge it went in the net and if I did it often sailed off the table. I blame this on my game and not the rubber or blade, however when I switched the TG2 to the FH all my unforced errors went to the BH so the H2 had to go.

I replaced H2 with H3-50 but haven't had a chance to play with it.


Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/23/2014 at 1:14pm
You meant Vega Pro blade matched well with TG2?
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

rusttt,
How is it with H2 & TG2 Neo?
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:



I glued on some new H2 and TG2 NEO. Both of these take some time to break in so I'll post back playing impressions after a few days.


I really like the TG2 NEO. With that rubber I have the full range of shots from looping underspin to smashing anything that pops up and can even chop pretty well. h2 versus underspin has been a disaster for me. If I didn't engage the sponge it went in the net and if I did it often sailed off the table. I blame this on my game and not the rubber or blade, however when I switched the TG2 to the FH all my unforced errors went to the BH so the H2 had to go.

I replaced H2 with H3-50 but haven't had a chance to play with it.


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 04/23/2014 at 3:37pm
Aroonkl, yes, that's what I meant. TG2 Neo and H3-50 is a good medium speed combination (for me) on the Vega Pro blade. I have excellent control (again for me) with that setup. Comparatively, the Hayabusa ZXi is faster and the Nittaku Basaltec Outer is slower. I know those aren't very common reference points but I haven't played with the Butterfly Ubiquity Collection (TB, IF, Viscaria) so it's all I can offer.


Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/24/2014 at 1:20am
Thanks for info.  Thumbs Up
Another question. Between Vega Pro or ZXI + TG2N, which one creates more spin in looping? 


Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Aroonkl, yes, that's what I meant. TG2 Neo and H3-50 is a good medium speed combination (for me) on the Vega Pro blade. I have excellent control (again for me) with that setup. Comparatively, the Hayabusa ZXi is faster and the Nittaku Basaltec Outer is slower. I know those aren't very common reference points but I haven't played with the Butterfly Ubiquity Collection (TB, IF, Viscaria) so it's all I can offer.


Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 04/24/2014 at 1:31am
it is not the blade or the rubber who create spin or speed.

It is your HAND!!!


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Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 04/24/2014 at 1:31am
This forum is a tribute to Equipment,not to a table tennis....


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Posted By: mercuur
Date Posted: 04/24/2014 at 3:50am
Is it the carpenter hammering nails or the  hammer ?
I never saw a carpenter hammering  with his hand and never saw a hammer hammering nails by itself.
But "this hammer hammers better then that one" (from a carpenter to another person, carpenter or not)  implies a carpenter using a hammer as a tool. 
So what,s the problem then ? Smile


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Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 04/24/2014 at 6:09am
Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Another question. Between Vega Pro or ZXI + TG2N, which one creates more spin in looping?


I don't think there's much difference. If you forced me to pick I would say Vega Pro since I think it has a fraction more dwell time but I would pick based on desired speed first.


Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/25/2014 at 2:10am
Cmon, Cut the BS. I give you D-Tec no sponge. Will you show me Spinny loops with your Magic HAND? Big smile
Another one.  You have a cardboard thin defender blade+ tackiness C. Show me the fast counter block or power loop kill. LOL

Simple Physics. 
Same swing speed. The one that restores energy and has high friction to release more spin = spinny combo.  
Same swing speed. The one that catapult/bounce back at high speed = high speed (fast) combo.

Spin and speed mixes in ratio depend on how you hit or rub the balls.


Originally posted by t64t64t64 t64t64t64 wrote:

it is not the blade or the rubber who create spin or speed.

It is your HAND!!!


Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/25/2014 at 2:11am
Sorry. I dont get your point. Wacko
Originally posted by t64t64t64 t64t64t64 wrote:

This forum is a tribute to Equipment,not to a table tennis....


Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 04/25/2014 at 5:36pm
imagine this situation,you make topspin and Xu xin make a topspin (same blade same rubbers) who will make better quality stroke :)

i hope now you get my point

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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/25/2014 at 8:28pm
I don't get your point. 
We are not talking about newbie's loops compare to skilled players' here. This is comparing equipment to equipment. It is about SAME HAND with skilled and what equipment yields better to suit their style.
==  XX loops with H3 is spinier than loops with Walmart paddle!  ==

Try this. Go in all the Equipment threads here, I MEAN ALL, you can spoil the thread. BUMP in and say
It is the HAND, not equipment, that put speed/spin to the balls. All in  technique, People. (Your guys are so unintelligent to ask info back and forth about equipment. I can't stand it.) You wont loop like XX even you have his equipment. ....." 

Wrong direction. Most players and eq junkies know this. Only a noob would think and assume as he gets the same eq as CNT and it will help him gain a lot to high level. 

This is my suggestion, please read  the thread first before spoil it. Feel what they are talking about. 

This is the fact. If you think different, feel free to do.
Player @2500 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
Player @2000 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
Player @1500 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
So Tenergy is rated as spinier and faster than Mark V.



Originally posted by t64t64t64 t64t64t64 wrote:

imagine this situation,you make topspin and Xu xin make a topspin (same blade same rubbers) who will make better quality stroke :)

i hope now you get my point


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/26/2014 at 4:30am
Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

I don't get your point. 
We are not talking about newbie's loops compare to skilled players' here. This is comparing equipment to equipment. It is about SAME HAND with skilled and what equipment yields better to suit their style.
==  XX loops with H3 is spinier than loops with Walmart paddle!  ==

Try this. Go in all the Equipment threads here, I MEAN ALL, you can spoil the thread. BUMP in and say
It is the HAND, not equipment, that put speed/spin to the balls. All in  technique, People. (Your guys are so unintelligent to ask info back and forth about equipment. I can't stand it.) You wont loop like XX even you have his equipment. ....." 

Wrong direction. Most players and eq junkies know this. Only a noob would think and assume as he gets the same eq as CNT and it will help him gain a lot to high level. 

This is my suggestion, please read  the thread first before spoil it. Feel what they are talking about. 

This is the fact. If you think different, feel free to do.
Player @2500 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
Player @2000 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
Player @1500 loops with Tenergy spinnier/faster than Mark V.
So Tenergy is rated as spinier and faster than Mark V.



Originally posted by t64t64t64 t64t64t64 wrote:

imagine this situation,you make topspin and Xu xin make a topspin (same blade same rubbers) who will make better quality stroke :)

i hope now you get my point

+1000.  I sometimes get annoyed with statements like "throw is about the stroke, not the rubber"

or "it is all in your technique" when comparing one rubber to another.  It's one thing to say that someone cannot get the best out of a rubber, but another thing to say that one rubber is spinnier than another, even though that usually means that it makes you more spin susceptible when playing passively.


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Posted By: mercuur
Date Posted: 04/26/2014 at 5:22am
Spinnier and speedier has a contradiction tough (in how the terms are commonly used) that can be confusing.

A speedier rubber helps preserve more speed (from opponent) for a passiv block while the bat angles the direction.
Being passiv a player does nothing for this speed except holding the bat in front. So this has some logic to say it is faster even when the player does nothing.

When Pushblocker blocks a ball like this with his long pips the rubber preserves a lot of spin just the same.
So obviously his long pips are much spinnier then Tenergy or his fh rubber....LOL.






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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/26/2014 at 5:55am
TT Aesop's Fable. (Just for fun. Don't get offend please.)

There were two TT enthusiasts talking at the corner of a gym.
Player A: I can't stand T64 on BH. It feels too soft. 
Player B: No, no man..you are wrong. T64 is good for BH. It bites the balls well. Opposite, I don't like T05. 
Player B: BTW. The last National Blue sponge H3 I ordered. Instead of 41 degrees, they sent me 40'. That's mushy. I  am returning them. My loops loss some kick.
Player A: 40' seems fine to me. 41' is too much.

Guru overheard them as walking pass-by . He seemed little annoyed and wanted to shine the light to these lost players. 
Guru:  Angry What are your guys talking about ? Problem is not in T05 or T64. And man oh man, I can't believe that you play with the best of H3 rubber there is. Still you complain about little different in Hardness
It is YOU who do not own proper technique. Everything is your hand to generate spin/speed. Stop mumbling about equipment ! 

As Guru walked away, FZD & ZJK looked at each other, speechless. 


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 5:04am
Just curious, is anyone who bought the new Vega Pro blade still playing with it?


Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 8:08am
I'm testing the Vega Pro blade right now. I like it better than the Hayabusa series.

For me this blade is an excellent mix between the Maze and the Mizutani. Speed, control and hardness is just in between both Butterfly blades. For me the Maze is sometimes too soft anf too slow while the Mizutani can be too hard and too fast. The Vega Pro is not too hard and has always enough power.

The Vega Pro is quite stiff, at least as stiff as Mizutani. I found it better in blocking and flat hitting than both Butterfly blades.

On the other hand I've found it less spinny than both Butterfly blades but still very good for looping especially because of the higher throw.

I need to test it a bit more but it could be my next blade replacing the Mizutani. Unless I find the Mizutani SZLC even better :)

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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 8:21am
Interesting. Faster than Maze, slower than Mizutani, medium hardness. Are you saying that Vega Pro is a Viscaria clone?


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 10:31am
I switched mine from H3-50 and TG2Neo to Omega Tour V and Rakza 7 Soft.  Compared to the TB ALC (closest I have to Viscaria) I think the Vega Pro is easier to play in the short game and offers a little more spin/dwell. For power shots it's very close - maybe a slight edge to the ALC, but I don't think you'll feel short on power with the VP.  

I can switch between these blades with just some quick practice to dial in the touch shot differences. 



Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 11:36am
Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Interesting. Faster than Maze, slower than Mizutani, medium hardness. Are you saying that Vega Pro is a Viscaria clone?


No I wouldn't say so because:

1. Mizutani, Maze and VP all have limba outers which gives them similar feel. That's why I made this comparison. The Viscaria has koto outers which gives it a very different feel. Because of the ALC Viscaria is quite close to Maze but has not much to do with the Veg Pro.

2. The Viscaria's speed, hardness and flex is quite close to the Maze while the Vega Pro's speed, hardness and flex qui quite close to the Mizutani.




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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/22/2014 at 11:42am
Thanks ttping85.

What are the dimensions of the blade? Is it large like Innerforce / Hayabusa or is it like a TB-ALC?


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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Thanks ttping85.

What are the dimensions of the blade? Is it large like Innerforce / Hayabusa or is it like a TB-ALC?

It's large like innerforce/hayabusa 152mm but it's same length as TB ALC 157mm while innerforce/hayabusa is 158mm I think. 


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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 1:42pm
Thanks!

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 1:48pm
ttping85: you mentioned that this blade lies in between Maze and Mizutani (two composite blades with limba outers).

How does it compare with the Acoustic Carbon (another similar type blade)?


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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

ttping85: you mentioned that this blade lies in between Maze and Mizutani (two composite blades with limba outers).

How does it compare with the Acoustic Carbon (another similar type blade)?

I found it much easier to loop against underspin and generally to generate spin. Also the throw is much higher. I really like the Acoustic carbon on my backhand but not on my forehand because of the lower throw. 

Acoustic Carbon has more control than the Vega Pro but is less fast and powerful. I would say the AC lies between the Maze and the Vega Pro but being closer to the Maze in terms of speed and control. 

But the feeling of the Acoustic carbon is very different from the other blades. Maybe because it's simple carbon and not combined with another artificial fiber. 


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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 7:51am
From what I understand, by reading the posts. The Vega Blades are the equivalent of the SLZC series of BTY? 

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Stiga Clipper Wood
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BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST

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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 7:53am
Originally posted by tron52 tron52 wrote:

Good Day Pongers :) My 1st post and i'm Perry from the Philippines. My equipments are as follows...

Main setup (just shifted last night ^_^): Xiom Vega Pro Blade / Andro Rasant Turbo / Xiom Omege V Pro
Backups: BTY JMizutani / Andro Rasant / BTY Tenergy 05  -  BTY Photino Light / DHS Hurricane 3 / BTY T05fx

This beauty arrived yesterday from TT11 Estonia :), got so excited and hurriedly went to local club and tested it. This i found out.. Xiom's Zephylium & X-Carbon hype? all TRUE!!!!

It's lighter than MJ! Huge sweet spot (imho, about 3/4 circular area compared to main setup MJ which is about 1/2 sweet spot). Catapulting is so easy compared to MJ :)

However, i'd like to add, in my opinion, this blade is well suited for asian-style stroke, closed-angle bat stroke and full arm swing.. i tried euro style like timo stroke but the blade performance is mediocre. My guess is that, Xiom's other new blades like the omega ones are suited for other strokes, but for asian stroke, this blade definitely. :)

Fine craftsmanship of the blade and excellent price/sale/parcel handling from tabletennis11 are bonus to this experience :) 

Regards,
Perry from the Philippines



Doesn't the MJ SLZC have like a 3/4 size of a sweet spot, compared to the smaller sweet spot of MJ ZLC (1/2?). So the SZLC is the equivalent of the Vega blades at a cheaper price? :)


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Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 8:08am
if you want equivalent of SZCL ,Donic 89 series are equivalent!



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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 8:11am
Originally posted by t64t64t64 t64t64t64 wrote:

if you want equivalent of SZCL ,Donic 89 series are equivalent!


Thanks, but I'm trying to find out if the Vega Series Blade is the Xiom equivalent of the BTY ZLC or event the SZLC series of BTY. :)


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Timo Boll Spirit
FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg
BH: Xiom Musa


Stiga Clipper Wood
FH: Neo Skyline 3
BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST

Avenger 5
FH: Neo H3
Bh: Xiom Musa



Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 8:52am
Yes! the Xiom Vega Pro blade is the equivalent of the MJ-SZLC. Given below, is their marketing spiel: see the part in bold (emphasis mine). Note that Zylon & Zephyllium mean the same thing (thermoset liquid crystalline polyoxazole) & are just different trademarked names.

Personally, I prefer the feel of this blade more than that of the MJ SZLC. However, there are differences:
1. XVP is easier to generate spin with close to the table. At the table or 1-2 steps away, the XVP is the best blade I've played with in terms of power, ball bite & control. Here, it is faster than the Viscaria & much easier to control with.
2. Away from the table (more than 2 steps), the XVP is slower than Viscaria, MJ or SZLC. The SZLC is just way too fast, IMHO.
3. XVP is available at much lighter weights (I have a 80g ST!). I have not heard of a MJ SZLC under 88g yet.
4. If you don't sand your XVP (with the included sander), you will get blisters! Xiom claims that this is because they use very old trees to get wood that gives better feel.
5. I'm not sure, if, by 'natural glue' Xiom means hide glue (see below). But I can confirm that the feel is fantastic.
6. Rubber compatibility: IMHO, MJ SZLC is compatible with 45 degrees and lower hardness. XVP works best with 42.5 degrees and higher hardness. If using Chinese rubbers, you shall have to boost.

By the way, PM me if you want a great deal on a 99% new XVP blade.

Xiom's marketing literature on the blade:
VEGA PRO

Structure: 5 Wood Ply + 2 Composite (Zephylium & X-Carbon)
Character: OFF ~ OFF+
Grips Available: FL, ST
Origin: Made in Korea

What is special?
Zephylium & X-Carbon
Different from typical Zylon, as Zylon is 3k in thickness while Zephylium is 1k
Different from typical Carbon, as many uses 6k and 3k in thickness while X-Carbon is 1k.
Composition that we use is about 2~4 times more expensive than typical composition. We have used these compositions to lower the weight and also to increase the feeling of the blade.
If the carbon or zylon are too thick or heavy, it will interfere with the feeling of the blade.
But therefore we use only 1k (despite the price) in order to bring the best of the composite blade
(Currently only blades that uses these compositions are Hayabusa, BT Super Zhang Jike, and Vega)

Jointless Wood
Usually, when many manufacturing companies produce blades, they use two veneer and joint them together to make one piece of veneer.
For example, Rosewood wood is very difficult to find one single piece wood for the blade. Therefore many companies uses two veneer to join them into one to make it one piece for the surface veneer.
Also if you open up the blades and look at each veneer, you can see that most of them are jointed. But if you look at our blade, all our layer of veneer are jointless woods.
What is so good about jointless woods? Think about wearing a shoe that is cut in half and glued back together. How would this feel ? This applies same as the blades, if you use jointless wood, it will increase the performance and stability of the blade.
Why doesn't other manufacturing companies use jointless wood. Because it is expensive and hard to get. Usually in order to make jointless blade, it will require 100~300year old wood to be used. But as you know the thicker and older the wood it is the more expensive it is.
(Because the wood is old, the wood grain on the surface might feel bit more rough than other blades. This is same as people, If we get older we get more winkles, same applies for the wood, the wood is older and the winkles are something we cannot get rid of)

Glue
Natural Glue is used to make this blade in order to maximize control and catching of the ball while impact.
Most of the blades are produced by using epoxy glue, in order to increase production.
Epoxy glue dries up much faster than any other glue, and it is well used for mass production. (Usually uses hot press to increase productivity)
However, the epoxy glue forms a thin layer of glue while drying up between the veneer that blocks the smooth feeling of the blade and also increases hardness of blade. This is not good for the professional players which requires better control and catch.
Natural Glue is highly not the favourable way for the most of manufacturing company due to fact that it needs long time to dry up. However, we have separte drying storage made for only Vega series which helps to dry naturally.
And when it is dried up naturally, the glue will eventually evaporate and absorbed into the wood, leaving absolutely no layer of any glue between the veneer.

THIL & Made in Korea
THIL is our quality control. Wood is breathing thing that changes easily according to the surrounding environment.
Therefore Temperature, Humidity, Insect, and Light are very important to the wood managment. Our factory in Korea is THIL controlled factory to make sure that at point of production the wood is at their best shape.
Made in Korea. In order to make one blade, it must go through 20 different types of machines. 20?? Yes! about twice or three times more machines that is required to make a blade. We use 20 different machine in order to make sure the quality of the blade are all same at all time.

T-FOIL
The blade comes with the T-foil attached, in order to reuse them for maintenance of rubber and blade.

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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 9:03am
So it's faster than an MJ ZLC and better close to the table? :)

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BH: Xiom Musa


Stiga Clipper Wood
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BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST

Avenger 5
FH: Neo H3
Bh: Xiom Musa



Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 9:19am
No, it is not faster than an MJ. Close to the table, it is faster than a Viscaria.

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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 9:20am
I see! Thanks! :D

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Timo Boll Spirit
FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg
BH: Xiom Musa


Stiga Clipper Wood
FH: Neo Skyline 3
BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST

Avenger 5
FH: Neo H3
Bh: Xiom Musa



Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 9:45am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Yes! the Xiom Vega Pro blade is the equivalent of the MJ-SZLC. Given below, is their marketing spiel: see the part in bold (emphasis mine). Note that Zylon & Zephyllium mean the same thing (thermoset liquid crystalline polyoxazole) & are just different trademarked names.

Personally, I prefer the feel of this blade more than that of the MJ SZLC. However, there are differences:
1. XVP is easier to generate spin with close to the table. At the table or 1-2 steps away, the XVP is the best blade I've played with in terms of power, ball bite & control. Here, it is faster than the Viscaria & much easier to control with.
2. Away from the table (more than 2 steps), the XVP is slower than Viscaria, MJ or SZLC. The SZLC is just way too fast, IMHO. Whether you prefer MJ SZLC or XVP may depend on how far back from the table you play. Also, MJ & MJ SZLC feel harder & 'more solid' than the XVP.
3. XVP is available at much lighter weights (I have a 80g ST!). I have not heard of a MJ SZLC under 88g yet.
4. If you don't sand your XVP (with the included sander), you will get blisters! Xiom claims that this is because they use very old trees to get wood that gives better feel.
5. I'm not sure, if, by 'natural glue' Xiom means hide glue (see below). But I can confirm that the feel is fantastic.
6. Rubber compatibility: IMHO, MJ SZLC is compatible with 45 degrees and lower hardness. XVP works best with 42.5 degrees and higher hardness. If using Chinese rubbers, you shall have to boost.


By the way, PM me if you want a great deal on a 99% new XVP blade.

Xiom's marketing literature on the blade:
VEGA PRO

Structure: 5 Wood Ply + 2 Composite (Zephylium & X-Carbon)
Character: OFF ~ OFF+
Grips Available: FL, ST
Origin: Made in Korea

What is special?
Zephylium & X-Carbon
Different from typical Zylon, as Zylon is 3k in thickness while Zephylium is 1k
Different from typical Carbon, as many uses 6k and 3k in thickness while X-Carbon is 1k.
Composition that we use is about 2~4 times more expensive than typical composition. We have used these compositions to lower the weight and also to increase the feeling of the blade.
If the carbon or zylon are too thick or heavy, it will interfere with the feeling of the blade.
But therefore we use only 1k (despite the price) in order to bring the best of the composite blade
(Currently only blades that uses these compositions are Hayabusa, BT Super Zhang Jike, and Vega)

Jointless Wood
Usually, when many manufacturing companies produce blades, they use two veneer and joint them together to make one piece of veneer.
For example, Rosewood wood is very difficult to find one single piece wood for the blade. Therefore many companies uses two veneer to join them into one to make it one piece for the surface veneer.
Also if you open up the blades and look at each veneer, you can see that most of them are jointed. But if you look at our blade, all our layer of veneer are jointless woods.
What is so good about jointless woods? Think about wearing a shoe that is cut in half and glued back together. How would this feel ? This applies same as the blades, if you use jointless wood, it will increase the performance and stability of the blade.
Why doesn't other manufacturing companies use jointless wood. Because it is expensive and hard to get. Usually in order to make jointless blade, it will require 100~300year old wood to be used. But as you know the thicker and older the wood it is the more expensive it is.
(Because the wood is old, the wood grain on the surface might feel bit more rough than other blades. This is same as people, If we get older we get more winkles, same applies for the wood, the wood is older and the winkles are something we cannot get rid of)

Glue
Natural Glue is used to make this blade in order to maximize control and catching of the ball while impact.
Most of the blades are produced by using epoxy glue, in order to increase production.
Epoxy glue dries up much faster than any other glue, and it is well used for mass production. (Usually uses hot press to increase productivity)
However, the epoxy glue forms a thin layer of glue while drying up between the veneer that blocks the smooth feeling of the blade and also increases hardness of blade. This is not good for the professional players which requires better control and catch.
Natural Glue is highly not the favourable way for the most of manufacturing company due to fact that it needs long time to dry up. However, we have separte drying storage made for only Vega series which helps to dry naturally.
And when it is dried up naturally, the glue will eventually evaporate and absorbed into the wood, leaving absolutely no layer of any glue between the veneer.

THIL & Made in Korea
THIL is our quality control. Wood is breathing thing that changes easily according to the surrounding environment.
Therefore Temperature, Humidity, Insect, and Light are very important to the wood managment. Our factory in Korea is THIL controlled factory to make sure that at point of production the wood is at their best shape.
Made in Korea. In order to make one blade, it must go through 20 different types of machines. 20?? Yes! about twice or three times more machines that is required to make a blade. We use 20 different machine in order to make sure the quality of the blade are all same at all time.

T-FOIL
The blade comes with the T-foil attached, in order to reuse them for maintenance of rubber and blade.


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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 09/12/2014 at 12:43am
Just received my new Xiom Vega Europe blade today at 86g and I put Tenergy 64 on the forehand and Tenergy 05 on the backhand with 4 layers of revolution 3 wbg on the rubber and 2 on the blade, the tenergys made it head heavy.  I put some old rubber sheets on as I hate putting new rubber on and if  the rubber is sometimes cut to small to put on any other blades, I feel I have wasted new sheets of rubber for nothing if I dislike the blade.  As mentioned the blade is packaged very nicely and the finish is high quality.  I am a two wing looper 2050 to 2150 rating range and I have used and own all the Butterfly alc's and zlc's and zlf's except for the new szlc's.  I also use and own all the Nittaku Stringed instrument series blades(violin, acoustic, acoustic carbon, tenor) so I have something to refer to.  What I noticed right away was compared to all other composite blades was the feel on the XVE(Xiom Vega Europe) is much better, so over the table play was much more controllable, almost all wood controllable.  It even had better feeling then the NAC.  Off the table the throw was not as pronounced as the violin which I had been currently using.  I felt this particularly on my backhand at mid distance.  The throw or the decreased throw did not effect my forehand as much. Another nice quality is the dwell time.  It made flicks and the short game more effective and consistent.  Serves were at least as spinny or more compared to my other blades.  The blade I have has a flared handle and there are other handles on other blades I like better but it is not the worst handle out there, it just felt a little thinner in the neck then I would have liked.  Like all the other blades, it has no magical powers but I did like it in the first outing and will give it some more training session tries and I will put some newer rubber on for the next go around.  The blade is marketed as a SZLC with natural glue(possibly hide glue) and is jointless.  Seems like a lot of nice selling points.  I had started with the fastest blades on the market and have over the years been getting slower and slower blades until currently I have been using 5 ply all wood blades, so I am not sure if this composite blade will be able to compete with the the control of the all wood blades that I have been enjoying.  I would like to post some picture but I don't know how to decrease the size of the files of the pictures to get them to upload(computer dummy hereCry).  I am not sold on it yet, will need more training sessions to form a better opinion.  If you are interested in this blade or blade series, stay tuned to this "bat channel"!  nanananananananana batman!

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FH Donic Bluefire m-1 max
BH Donic Bluefire m-2 max
Cocoa Beach TTC, Florida


Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 09/12/2014 at 6:42am
I'm the one who is waiting for your review of XVE. Comparison with some benchmarks is strongly expected Clap

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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 09/13/2014 at 12:29pm
anybody tried both the Vega and Hayabusa blades and care to enlighten me on the major differences and your preference for specific models.  I played with the ZXi and Z+.   thanks


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/13/2014 at 2:00pm
I think ttping85 has played with both the Pro & the Euro blades.

Question for those who have played with the Euro (koto outer) blade: is it more powerful than the Viscaria but less than the TB-ZLC?

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 09/13/2014 at 2:02pm
BTW: good review clannewton!

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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 09/13/2014 at 7:57pm
I just noticed on the Xiom website they offer the Vega Europe models with different flared  handle  options, a regular flared and a wide flared.  It seems they have used Stigas handle model (masters and legend handle options) to try and meet more player needs.  Unfortuneatly it is so new out that they did not have the handle options at tabletennis11 as I would defintely went with the  wide flared.  Had my second go with the Vega Europe last night and reenforced my original findings.  From mid distance it is much more linear than what I was used to but it does generate a lot of spin, possibly due to the increased dwell time.        

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FH Donic Bluefire m-1 max
BH Donic Bluefire m-2 max
Cocoa Beach TTC, Florida



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