Slow motion Backhand Flip Demo
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Topic: Slow motion Backhand Flip Demo
Posted By: bbll
Subject: Slow motion Backhand Flip Demo
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 1:39am
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This is a demonstration by Hong Kong Division I table tennis player. Flipping is very important in-side table technique in modern table tennis. A Step-by-Step break down tutorial in slow motion is provided. Please also subscribe PPBALL youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ppball" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/ppball More Tutorial video: http://www.pp-station.com/search/label/%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93%E6%95%99%E5%AD%B8" rel="nofollow - http://www.pp-station.com/search/label/%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93%E6%95%99%E5%AD%B8 Like our facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ppstation.hk" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/ppstation.hk |
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Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 1:59am
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hi bil thanks for the video.. couple of observations.... 1) thats not a flip...maybe something was lost in the translation but trust me...that's not even close to a "flip"....for a flip you would have to open your racket a bit more....but the player in the vid does not do that....he makes a beautiful shot mind you....but that's no flip...its more of a bh snap borderline kill.. 2) C- for your attempt at English. regards rick ------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013  CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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Posted By: vutiendat1337
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 2:08am
it just makes me wonder whether you really are such a dick or whether you think you are so smart and clever by trolling? Not everyone here is a native speaker so you can shove your "C-" elsewhere. Things you said makes me think you don't know the first thing about TT? This IS a BH flick. Granted, the backspin is not that heavy so there was no need for the more open angle. But nevertheless, it is a BH flick. ------------- bty petr korbel st fh: donic bluefire red bh: dawei iqul black USATT:1811 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40320&title=feedbackvutiendat1337" rel="nofollow - Feedback me |
ByeByeAbout wrote:Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 2:11am
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That clearly looks like a flip to me. The paddle is open at the point of contact. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 2:17am
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Please, restrain from quibbles. @bbll - your channel has been added to the official MyTT list of YT channels. Thank you for your contribution! |
Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 9:48am
Yup. And all the written instructions in the video are well done to emphasize all the important elements of a flip (they even refer to element of spin variance and racket angle).
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Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 10:17am
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Nice - I think I saw the shifting of the thumb again ZJK style. Maybe it's time I attempted the thumb shift for backhand shots too...  ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 10:43am
mt for it to be a true flip the paddle would have to be another 10-15 degrees open...and the ball would have to sit on the paddle for another 1/1000th of a second. call it what you want though...he's got excellent technique regardless of what anyone may categorize it as. regards rick ------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013 CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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Posted By: Fidelio
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 12:33pm
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I think I see what ByeByeAbout/rick is saying about the flip - it's not a zjk/fzd style "banana" flip but rather a straight flip or flick, kind of like a forehand flick but done on the backhand side. In the series of instructional videos done by Ma Long on youtube, this shot is listed as "backhand flip" (watch at 26:21 in the video), whereas the banana flip is listed as "over-the-table backhand loop". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVkXRh1UeY
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Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 12:46pm
hi fidelio i'm simply being strict with the use of the word "flip". At no point in the video does the player make any "flipping" motion. It's all "flicking". Like I said, this nuance would be lost in most translations....or the demonstration is a bit off the mark. pick one in the clip you provide ma does indeed open his paddle ever so slightly before contact so it is accurately described as a flip. regards rick ------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013 CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 1:04pm
This is a joke right? You're messing with us right? Where's candid camera? We're quibbling over 10-15 degrees? Really? It's a flip and yes, not everybody will do it exactly the same at the exact same angle. But it's a flip. You want to call it a flick. Fine. But we're losing the point of this thread. This is yet another great video form this channel helping us all attack short serves better. Keep up the good work. |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 1:23pm
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Thanks for the post.
As service return is one of my weaknesses, it would be nice to get demonstrations/tutorials on how to adjust the stroke for different kinds of serves instead of just underspin. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 2:05pm
------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013 CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 2:21pm
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In TT Coaching Wiki, there is no discrimination between flip and flick http://www.tabletennisdb.com/coachwiki/17-flip-flick/" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennisdb.com/coachwiki/17-flip-flick/ |
Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 4:54pm
thanks for the link imago...i read the definition and it's not as comprehensive and it could be...since it makes no distinction between the two.... table tennis is a game of nuances so it's not a waste of time to discuss the difference between a flick and a flip...and how best to perform each of these strokes... and when jiang jialiang and i discussed the differences in detail and he remains to this day, imho, one of the best ph flipers/flickers to ever live.... i'm simply passing on the information that a two time world champ was kind enough to share with me.. regards rick ------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013 CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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Posted By: bbll
Date Posted: 04/14/2014 at 9:37pm
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ByeByeAbout: Thank you. Your observation is very good. The racket is not open up too much. The reason is that the backpsin on the ball is weak. Thus, the player only open the racket a bit. If the backspin is more heavy, the racket need to open up more to counter the backspin. BTW, we will try to improve our English. I think the player is doing "flip" instead of "banana flick". I understand that there may be no difference of "flip" and "flick" in English. However, there are differences between the two techniques in Chinese. In short, for "Banana Flick", the power is mainly generate from wrist and brushing. For "flip", the power is mainly generated from the flipping action of the forearm. I may shoot another video to describe two difference techniques later. :) Imago: Thank you for putting our channel in the MyTT list of YT channels. We still have another channel which post Chinese instruction. Both channels will provide English subtitle. PPSTATIon CHINA youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ppstationchina" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/ppstationchina
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Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 04/15/2014 at 12:14am
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A great slow/stop motion video. It really makes the action of the stroke very clear. You set a very high standard for video demonstrations. I just showed the video to a Chinese professional (shakehands). She is of the opinion that the demonstrator is not using the wrist but only the forearm. She said he can do the flip to a higher level if he use the wrist too. The wrist offers more flexibility. Only one person's opinion. Feel free to ignore.
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Posted By: ByeByeAbout
Date Posted: 04/15/2014 at 12:21am
and i will continue to work on my chinese....even if it is cantonese. regards rick ------------- WORLDS BEST All AROUND ATHLETE 2007-2013 CURRENT USA TT LEVEL: 2300
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