Once again looks like i got a fake one, this time i got it from a supposed to be trusty source, but this time piss me off  even more than before because of the 58$.  I will never-ever buy any DHS premium quality rubber special sponges ANYMORE, any regular provincial  orange sponge is more than enough for a 2200~ like me.

Let me know your thoughts please.

-> This is what I am saying to everybody, nobody needs blue sponge when Gao Ning or Zhou Yu still use orange sponge. And the simple H3NP is a rubber you can easily get from a lot of sources which are trustworthy. So forget blue sponge and stay with the normal Hurricane 3 provincial (Neo).

I've ordered H3BS from prott.cc and ttnpp and they are actually stamped differently, but play more or less the same.  PROTT's had the stamp in the center of the sponge along with serials and thickness/hardness prints.  TTNPP's looks like the one in your picture.  PROTT's was 2.10mm, TTNPP's was 2.15.  They both play just fine and identical to each other, and they both are authentic when the sticker code is checked online (although this doesn't seem to be a completely reliable method anymore).

And definitely not like the rubber above, of the NEO and the normal non Neo series exist 5 version each:

commercial 

provincial in blue and orange

national in blue and orange

+ the same in Non Neo (the old ones)

You can find the most of the orange sponges at good sources. DHS sells the provincial and national non Neo rubbers by theirself in the chinese Li Ning online shop, I dont think the world wide official DHS/Li Ning shop is selling fake products 

The provincial and national Neo Series you get sometimes at the official european DHS leadership aka tabletennis11 or in the official shop.chinatt which is one of the biggest official online shops in China.

These are all 100% realiable sources, and if you compare their rubbers to ttnpp rubbers or prott.cc rubbers you can find out which ones are fakes and which arent.

There are some blue sponge rubbers in taobao or somewhere else which are legit, of course. But you get 1 legit rubber out of 100 and then this rubber cost 150USD.

But the rest are simply fakes! And there is nothing to discuss as long we have the official DHS sources in China and the official european reseller tabletennis11. And if they dont get blue sponge, dont even think about buying blue sponge rubbers in ttnpp.

By the way: The one blue sponge non Neo at ttnpp which is sold seemed legit to me, because it looks exactly like the official orange sponge national except the blue sponge. And this one was very limited and costed over 80USD for the non Neo!

It is very clear with this rubbers if you are informed well, but unfortunately the most ppl aren't. 

I am one of the authorized dealers for DHS in North America and we all clearly know what the real commercial product looks like (and there are even fakes of these out there too).  But since provincial and national rubbers were never meant to be sold to the public, not even my distributor can comment on what it is supposed to look like and what is fake because they have no business with those rubbers in the first place.

I agree about the print.

NEO is still printed on commercial DHS rubbers.  It should be printed on all vacuum sealed NEO rubber plastic sheets.

BTW, The lighting shows the sponge brighter than it really is. 

The official Li Ning Online Store is selling provincial and national non Neo H3, DHS is a company which belongs to Li Ning, so I think the official official Li Ning Store in China which is world wide is not selling fakes! And these are for the market! The official Li Ning online store is seling this rubbers, here are the links:

http://www.e-lining.com/shop/goods-189502.html?intcmp=searchproduct

http://www.e-lining.com/shop/goods-124194.html?intcmp=searchproduct

These links are official DHS products of DHS and Li Ning!! There is nothing to discuss these are legit 1000000000%.

Furthermore we got the the official DHS europe reseller tabletennis11. This is DHS Europe OFFICIAL, and if they get National Neo rubbers, everybody knows they are legit, DHS europe, you can call DHS official in China and ask them about tabletennis11 this is there official european leadership!!! So they are not selling fakes neither.

The last shop which is trustworthy is http://shop.chinatt.com. This is one of the biggest online shops in China and they are not selling fake H3NP. And this is the reason why they dont have blue sponge.

Blue sponge are exclusive and not the for the market, the orange sponge products are, thats the reason there are a lot of legit H3NP but soooo much fake blue sponges.

Everybody should be convinced know.

And please ansonlau of saletabletennis:

Dont fool us! Your WHOLE SITE IS JUST FAKE, you dont have even one single rubber which is genuine! Dont fool us and stop doing this.

Your TG2 without the inch print. ALL the blue sponge are fakes, go away and dont try to fool anybody I HATE THIS!!! Your whole site is fake even Ma Long would laugh about you! 

Guys please, just look at the links I gave sent you. These are official dealerships of DHS and you can trust them and NOT THE REST!!! And ansonlau is one of the biggest liers Ive ever seen, 90% of his rubbers are fake products, it is soooooooooo easy to identify. 

 

Could you take some clear photos of the prints on the top sheet without the plastic wrap?

If you think it is fake, resell it  , i m sure most member would buy it.

The same with shop.cinatt.com, they are a legit shop with provincial H3NP and H3P...

But go to buychina.com or taobao you find legit things there too. Its just to see how the real stuff look like. And if e-lining or tabletennis11 dont sell blue sponge, Im pretty sure Im not getting legit stuff from other sources neither.

Very simple to me. Futhermore, Zhou Yu is playing a fuc**** orange sponge National H3N, why the hell do I need a blue sponge then if he keeps up with the World No. 1 players??? It really doesnt make any sense to me to play blue sponge then, of course its nice to have one, but buying fakes isnt nice I guess...

h3 neo in provincial and national were like 6 month ago I think. They just have sometimes the rubbers in stock, you have to get some of them in this particular moment.

But H3NP and H3P (normal orange sponge of course) are not hard to get, just check buychina.com or taobao you find a lot of them there. Legit orange sponge rubbers, BUT NO BLUE SPONGE, 99% of them are fake! But the normal H3P(N) is a common rubber in China which you find easly. 

greeets ;)

 the only thin about those sites is that they are imposible to naviigate.

From my experience, I've bought h3bs from 2 reputable stores (yaosir and 瑩戀) in taobao, and the print definitely doesn't look like that. The word "省" should be in the same font size.

+1. 省 for provincial should be consistent. that font looks like a knockoff print. added to the fact most ppl here who've bought "blue sponge" from ttnpp [specifically] mention it's too soft and sell it used right away, pretty sure it's fake. and for ppl who were using #21 sponge before, they look exactly that shade and texture.

heres a picture of the originial product, but you CANT find it to buy!

By the way, i retuned it heavily again this last weekend and now it´s becoming  better and more stable perhaps it´s was so soon and need a break-in period.  

Exactly what I was saying - I am using the 41/2.15 one from TTNPP right now and it works extremely well.  Similar performance to the ones I got from prott.cc a while back which had the print and stamp that people seem to call authentic.

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No blue sponge. The point is here, I know some german pros who are friends with the singapur team and even Gao Ning weren't able to get real blue sponge rubbers, I think Gao Ning would be very happy about a provincial blue sponge the real one but he just couldnt get it or not enough, so he was playing H3N National. And the rest of the singapur team is kinda of the same.

kruokami said Timothy Wang and Zhou Xin werent able to get prpvincial blue sponge neither, so if they and singapur team dont get them, how do we get them.

But the orange sponge H3 is common and DHS let them to be on the market, so you should be fine with orange sponge.

Afaik orange sponge are available in National and provincial Neo and Non Neo, but blue sponges are impossible to get, this is the market of DHS right now and it seems very obviously it is that way.

Prott.cc has a Neo H3 blue sponge right now, yes should be a legit rubber, but yeah look at the price 160USD. And that one looks real. 

And on this one you dont see any blue sticker which stands for blue sponge, so even this should show everybody about how fakes are and how the real stuff is!

First the REAl one, second link the fake one!! Thats why prott.cc was hiding the white serial code I think, because he knew its a fake but he still want to sell his stuff. 

prott.cc has definitely real rubbers AND fake rubbers, so just be careful which rubber you buy

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOGREENBLUE

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOBLUEPRO

The 2nd link is not fake because i did ask the marketing/production for DHS while working as a volunteer at Australian Open in May. I show the photo and he said they are genuinne, it is just that whatever we amateur can buy from ttnpp or prottc or in tt shops in China whould be the left over from each batch as each shops may only have a few pieces for sales. 

Singapore team is not part of CHINA team how can they be sponsored blue sponge,  only HongKong and Macau but Macau team is mainly butterfly users. Hongkong  team, only top five are being sponsored h3 blue sponge. 

if you don't boost, none really. the quality difference is primarily in the sponge, not so much in the topsheet. it'll be more consistent and last longer, but in terms of speed and spin, there'll only be a small increase. 

But I noticed, normal H3 commercial is better than H3N commercial, it seems that normal H3 without Neo dont variate THAT MUCH like the Neo series... anyone else who noticed that too??

Can you compare h3 prov neo and h3 national?

P.S. What about national skyline?

Maybe other rubbers? (Yaska Zap ma lin, Globe national, Xushaofa)

Right now Im gonna test speed gluing the H3 National because Im not playing any tournaments or official games anymore and for training its just more fun, furthermore as better I play as better it is for the most of the friends I play with.

I get my H3 Nationals at ttnpp the orange sponge of course, they are legit! 

National Skyline is not available official, only 1 time a year at the DHS european seller tabletennis11, they got some TG3 provincial and national like 1 month ago, the NEO for 50 and 100 USD I think.

But these were just special offers, the only official rubber for the whole market is Hurricane 3. 

Globe National was a rubber for speed gluing area too, so I dont know how good it works with normal booster, furthermore I dont know where to get legit Globes...

+1 

I heard the national or provincial versions are mainly for playing away from the table.  Is it true?

 

 

Ok, this is a little off topic but I've always asked about H3N Commercial.  If let's say the Neo National version is level 10 (out of 10 of course), where would Neo Provincial be? 9? 8? How about the Neo Commercial? Will it be 7? 5? What? This is without boosting.

 

 

I think there are a few reasons:

1. you can play full arm strokes without accelerating your forearm. 

2. better control at the table and most of the time more spin.

3. you carry the ball much better while playing topspins

4. completely non bouncy rubbers which make everything you want to do

Ive never played a fake rubber which could hold up with these 4 points and if the rubbers doesnt have this characteristics I can simply play T05, Vega Pro or anything else and point 1. and 3. are going to be a bit different, but you can get used to it.

I mean what is a fake rubber? They take a different sponge which is blue and most of the time the commercial topsheet and stick it on the sponge, it is STILL A PLAYABLE table tennis rubber.

I mean of course you can make your own table tennis rubbers, the most of the people ont even feel the difference. You allready have the proof, soooooooo much player here are playing fake rubbers and they are happy with it, so a table tennis rubber is still a "playable" table tennis rubber.

You really have to ask yourself THE REASON for playing DHS products... and if you know them you just have to compare between T05 and your genuine or fake product and if it works, then fake rubbers can be a 10 on the scale too ;)

Ive never played any fake rubber which kept up with the real DHS rubbers so I had most of the time simply disadvantage against T05 and Vega Pro and then the product doesnt make sense as long I can play better stuff.

But the real H3NP is in my opinion superior to T05 and Vega Pro and this is the reason for playing H3NP.

 

That's terrible!!! I'm not a DHS user but I did buy three sheets of H3 Neo Commercial in the past.  Here's the thing, I see that DHS has invested some money in this product.  You can see it in the vacuum packaging, the layer of glue on the sponge, the white plastic on the glue layer, and just the overall look of what you're buying.  DHS should ensure that the commercial version has a much higher performance.  Thanks for your ratings.  I've always been curious.

Well yeah, normally they should be able to produce good playable commercial rubbers. But unfortunanetly they don't. Even provincial rubbers are crap sometimes, out of 10 rubbers 2 are always not that good like the others. I think thats why so many players are looking for alternatives, but they arent alternatives for DHS rubbers because if you get a good sheet and if you like sticky rubbers they are fully dynamic like nothing else and have only advantages against other rubbers... 

I have a sheet of h3nbs with chop in the middle stating 2.0/#22/40D. Is that a real or fake sheet?

 

The sponge and all look genuine to me. Fake is nowhere near that. Where and how much you bought it for? Any close up pic of the front prints?

DHS is producing rubbers with a system behind, and in the system of the NEO rubbers there are no DHS stamp symbols, only the numbers which stand for the production date.

Right now no provincial blue sponge rubbers are available! ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE, except you get them from a provincial player personal.

I posted a link of a original provincial rubber the sites before, just check it out and compare it to your rubbers, youll see the differences.

http://www.pingpongboard.com/images/awb_image1932554184321.jpg

Here the original H3NP blue sponge. As long as your rubber doesnt look like this one its simply fake. And I never saw this rubber on the market, so I say you cant buy this rubber right now. 

prott.cc has some real H3NN blue sponge right now, this product is 100& legit.

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=NEOGREENBLUE

 

 

Those pics are NEO. The one with DHS stamp is non-Neo. They can both be legit.

But when it comes to the NEO series, if the rubber doesnt look like the one Ive posted, its fake!

With the Non Neo provincial rubbers im not 100% sure how to identify the REAL ones, with the National its very easy but the provincial have the inch number and the stamp, and afaik the stamp is not even of the fake stuff. Thats why we need better pictures. 

http://www.buychina.com/items/attractive-ping-pong-authentic-dhs-dhs-neo-nigeria-proud-country-sets-york-3-tg3-blue-sponge-rubber-anti-pouches-supvtrqknko

You see very clearly that there is no "blue circle sticker" which stands for blue sponge. Every product with that sticker is simply fake. Here is the real one, above the one from prott.cc is genuine too.

I'm afraid you are partially wrong. The TG3 national blue sponge is legit, but for Hurricane 3 blue sponge, the legit one HAS the small circle saying "blue sponge".  

Does Butterfly do this or Xiom or anybody else? Before talking about DHS people has to forget all the conspiracy and have to really look at the facts. The white/red sticker only say provincial or national, the rest are no stickers for blue sponge or anything like this. You can see a real blue sponge national here:

The buychina link you posted, is actually from a store that is very reputable in Taobao (China), and people buy blue sponge with no doubt from this store.

And the provincial H3 blue sponge it sells has the little sticker:

For all i know, there are different markets for DHS products. The ones u see on ttnpp may not be a fake, it may just be the kind of DHS product that is marketed in Hong Kong.... 

Fake rubber producers are not so stupid to make an extra sticker on the packaging of the rubber to indicate that it is a FAKE, so just that everyone who sees it know it is a fake, like in this case, Timo Hu is implying. They identify fake goods through other means which are imposed on the rubber itself, be it sponge or topsheet print. 

Want to know if its genuine? If you're high level enough to even play a blue sponge, you will know the differences. 

Please give me a good reason why DHS would do different writings of the white label, if they got the same with commercial and provincial AND national. So the blue sponges get all different stuff... 

It really doesnt make any sense... Im sorry but this is bullshit.

The other "label" DHS uses is the label of Degree and Thickness which isnt white. This one identifys genuine products too, but its not even that one neither. Im talking about this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uNfcGS3MNxo/TrarWwWIHkI/AAAAAAAAAhs/fv0XP9LAKlA/s1600/P1030589.JPG

Now the REAL provincial I posted:

That matches too. The only product which doesnt match is the provinical blue sponge with the fake blue circle and white label.

Now, we compare it to National products:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-3638378733.53.yUrffb&id=38461374812&

Commercial H3 with the same sticker/label:

http://shop.chinatt.com/goods-463.html

The only one which doesnt fit in is the H3NP blue sponge with the blue sticker. 

So tell me, what is wrong with my argumentation? If there is anything wrong, im the first person in the world who admit this, but I dont see any mistakes so please help me out here guys.

It is sooooo easy to see!

Best regards ;)

My guess would be that the rubber could be of a different grade being marketed differently from the rest. 

Then again, the only way to know if it is a fake is to play it. 

I have come across the one from ttnpp, which is why i said it is not a fake. 

Catch the drift?

yup, that is right, there are a few store from taobao that are reputable.

吸引力，YaoSir， 瑩戀 are three of them which are known in the table tennis community in China.

I see your point now. I don't know what's the explanation why H3 Provincial Blue Sponge has a different serial label. But like i've said before, the store I listed ARE THE reputable store from China. If they sell the fake blue sponge, then there is absolutely no way you can get a real one from prott.cc or ttnpp.

I see your point now. I don't know what's the explanation why H3 Provincial Blue Sponge has a different  serial label. But like i've said before, the store I listed ARE THE reputable store from China. If they sell the fake blue sponge, then there is absolutely no way you can get a real one from prott.cc or ttnpp.

Full of win. Come i clap for you. 

Very short periods of time on tt11.com   It's a hunting.

Butt Stallion wrote: Last fact, out of the SAME package of the H3NP blue sponge came 2 different looking rubbers. If this convinced nobody, then I dont know what to say anymore  from the user joyner1980 http://www.subirimagenes.net/i/140621065142183390.jpg of the user zehyi http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/20306/WP_004732.jpg Just to remember: They bought the SAME product and 2 different rubbers came out... Looks very very genuine dont you think so

+1

three provincial players from shandong came to my club recently. all of them use neo orange. i asked one if he's ever used blue sponge hurricane. he said outside of ma long, zjk, etc., no one else would want to use them. they're hard to control and there's so many generic blue sponges on the mkt for manufacturer use, you're likely to get one that they're just trying to make bigger profits. blue sponge is one of the cheapest that can be bought, at less than 5$ a pc while a neo orange's sponge if bought separately is around $13. 

this could really come from anywhere lol

blue sponge darker - $4!

http://www.buychina.com/items/aerospace-darker-darker-blue-v-ping-pong-ball-set-gum-snow-vlon-s-beyond-dhs-hurricane-3-vpvpqqsplli

selling just the white cases for "national"

http://www.buychina.com/items/authentic-original-national-hurricane-3-dhs-blue-sponge-country-mad-mad-mad-three-3-hurricane-three-sets-of-national-anti-plastic-pouches-rypromrnrll

"blue sponge nationals" for $11. these same ones were being sold one bay for $55 so don't think they're not willing to sell you fake stuff at high prices.

anyone remember TG3 blue sponge? looks remarkably familiar

http://www.buychina.com/items/dhs-blue-sponge-york-provincial-team-for-special-beyond-the-the-blue-sponge-country-mad-province-mad-qtpnurslqqi

blue sponge 999 - $7

http://www.buychina.com/items/high-cost-spider-big-blue-sponge-sets-of-plastic-999-special-for-the-big-blue-sponge-loop-only-black-upqnoskrll

just blue sponge - $2

http://www.buychina.com/items/high-elastic-rubber-sleeve-tennis-macroporous-gel-with-a-cool-blue-hyun-ultralight-single-black-soft-elastic-sponge-appearance-party-essential-sutnqtqnnqk