Which spin ?
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Topic: Which spin ?
Posted By: mjamja
Subject: Which spin ?
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 9:48pm
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Which of the basic spins do you think is served the most often at the higher levels in singles? 1. Under 2. Top 3. Side 4. Side-under 5. Side-top 6. Cork-screw 7. No-spin Is that spin served significantly more often (say double ) than the next closest spin? Which of the basic spins do you think is served the least? In watching some of the slow motion compilations I was struck by the number of serves that seemed to be pure side-spin. It is a small sample size so there could be no correlation to what happens overall. I almost never serve pure side-spin so I began to wonder if I should be serving it more often. Mark |
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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 10:17pm
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depends on style. overall though, you see mostly side under and side top. they're good for 3rd ball attackers. xu xin uses these. for ppl who play fast attacks and loops on both sides like ma long, no spin is predominant for control and power loopers, underspin is fairly common since it's low-risk in that even though everyone at the high levels can attack it, they can't do so strongly. - ccy pure top is served the least lol. i'm not sure side, side-under, side-top, corkscrew?? should be separate. most players mix sidespin with top, under, and a little on no-spin (there is spin, but it's so light it's negligible) if you really did serve completely no spin at high levels, you're asking for a net drop or flip kill ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 10:27pm
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I have not idea but when I want a cheap point I serve a short serve under under spin ball. This wins me a lot of point from higher level players. Most of the time I serve long because I want to get into the rally. If the return isn't good I get a third ball attack. When I get tired I do what I call dribble serves. These are short without much spin. I hope the opponent will hit them up so I can attack them. I try to never do the same serve two time in a row. I don't what the opponent to calibrate his return. I think it is important to have many different serves so opponent never figures one out. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/27/2014 at 11:57pm
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Short/half long: Obviously sidespin variations of all kinds with different degrees of spin. For pure serves, backspin and light backspin is more common than pure topspin and light topspin. The beauty of sidespin and pure backspin is that it is relatively easy to disguise the degree of spin with contact point deception and a foot stomp. The ball trajectory doesn't reveal itself as quickly to the untrained eye until it is too late and at the highest levels, they don't need a huge popup to kill the ball, just something that is high or that isn't loaded with spin even if low. Truly Long serves: I would guess topspin only because being late to the ball or getting something like an ace is more important and topspin controls the ball best at high speeds. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 4:21am
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Actually placement is more important component at that level. If a receiver knows where the ball is going to bounce, and he can get into position in time, he's going to be aggressive no matter what the spin. That's why you see so much sidepin. It's the swerve through the air that puts doubt and consequent hesitation into the receivers' reaction. At least that's what I've been told. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 3:16pm
I would say the sidespin on a top/side serve is important to either cut the ball into opponent's pocket or make it break away from him/her on BH side. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
NextLevel wrote:Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 9:28pm
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under spin service is the most used. Аctual character of the spin is always disguised by the server. |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 9:57pm
I find it interesting that many of those serves are done without watching the ball until contact.
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Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 10:16pm
I have never observed a pro watch the ball contact on the serve. Once the ball passes below their chin they usually look towards the receiver. I think it's because of how close the ball is to the body when they make contact. The only exception might be the BH serve and even then I am not sure they watch the contact. ------------- DHS 301 Xiom Vega 7pro FH/BH |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 11:08pm
Yeah for the serve they have total control of the ball plus they practice it so many times, they just need to follow the first 75% of the ball trajectory after the toss, then they know exact where to make contact. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 06/29/2014 at 2:50am
I disagree. I'd say that the pros use side and underspin in equal proportions, according to circumstances and personal style. In the video, perhaps most of those serves shown were sidespin only. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2014 at 1:02pm
Actually, I have seen many pros observe contact. They don't observe the toss, but they often observe the contact. It's largely peripheral vision so I am fairly sure they observe it all.
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