Recommendation for cpen
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Topic: Recommendation for cpen
Posted By: bns7117
Subject: Recommendation for cpen
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:10pm
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Hello, All I am currently trying to update my YEO cpen. the blade is a little too hard for my liking. But it's a great attacking blade. I am trying to find something with a softer outer ply and harder core, maybe with carbon layers. The new blade should be able to emphasis on looping more than powerful smashes, and have better short games yet still have gears(just enough power) in mid-distance. I have tried plenty of carbon blades including regular carbon, arylate carbon, glass-fiber carbon, they are a little too bouncy for my short game. Right now, i am thinking about NExy Arirang cpen, but if someone have some better recommendations, please share some thoughts. Thank you. |
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:28pm
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Try Yasaka Extra. The YEO has a really hard outer ply. It has a sharp feel in the short game, but takes skills to tap into its potential off the table. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:41pm
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I switched from the YEO to the Ma Lin Carbon. It is softer, less bouncy, more controlled than the YEO but still very much offensive. Blocking is also easier thanks to the backbone and larger sweet spot the carbon layers supply, and although the dwell takes getting used to for the short game and backhand coming from the YEO, once adjusted it works beautifully. I highly recommend it (I also have one for sale in cpen). ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:44pm
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Stiga Intensity NCT Carbon with deep discount should not be missed. http://www.ttex.se/stiga-blade-intensity-carbon-p-2315.html ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: khmd
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:44pm
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You may take a try of Stiga sense 7.6. |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/12/2014 at 10:47pm
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Yasaka Extra or Ma Lin Soft Carbon ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: shaolinTT
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 12:25am
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You may end up going back to YEO. I did. Why not try a different rubber instead.
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Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 2:05am
| acoustic, which i would recommend. |
Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 8:39am
Too many choices out there... it really depends on your level & preference to vibration, hardness, & weight....below are my choices from my experiences that can play well off the table as well as near & offers excellent hand feel without too much vibrationsStiga Rosewood V Stiga Infinity Stiga Offensive Wood NCT Yinhe VF5 DHS HH656, HK655, Long2 I have some of these for sale too, btw ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: gnopgnipster
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 8:48am
------------- Hardbat: Valor Champion/FH/BH-Valor Premier-OX Regular:Valor Big Stick FH-Apollo II & BH-Globe 979 OX |
bns7117 wrote:Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:09am
| thank you all for the input! i will look into those recommendations thoroughly. thank you! |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:13am
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Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:15am
I am keeping my yep for third-ball attack games, i have softer rubbers, still lacks some "touch" for short games and loops... |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:18am
where can I get yinhe VF5? it looks intriguing. |
Posted By: khmd
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:51am
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I tried carbo 7.6 loved the feeling! soft touch in table, and tons of
kicks away from talbe, problem is its hard to find lighter weight with
that series, sense 7.6 is pretty much identical to carbo 7.6? Sense 7.6 is improved version of carbon 7.6 with better control and feel. You can ask the seller to pick a particular weight for you. I assume that you would need one for 84-86 g: http://tabletennisequipment.dandoy-sports.com/en/index.php?cName=blades-penholder |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 11:54am
| Thanks, khmd! |
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 9:08pm
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There is also the BTY Taksim which is the cpen version of the viscaria, and the T5000 CS which is the cpen version of the TBS. There is also the ALC in cpen. I have not played with these blades personally. You will have to try to find them used as I am not sure they are still produced. ------------- DHS 301 Xiom Vega 7pro FH/BH |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 9:23pm
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Many Butterfly Cpens are only available in China and still in production. A friend brought back a ZJK ZLC Cpen when it was released but never use. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: stefashka
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 4:42am
I bought one from Eacheng. Not bad, but NE 50 which I bought together with VF 50 provides better feel and control. To the OP: YEO is one of the best PH blades, especially when it comes to the short game and playing offensively close to table, it's very nicely balanced in terms of smashing and looping, so it would be quite a problem to find a replacement if you like both aspects. If you look for a more "looping" blade and want to move to mid-distance, Stiga Rosewood/ Yinhe NR50 would be the closest answer. Nexy Peterpan is also very good in looping/blocking/short game, it just doesn't smash reliably. ------------- Darker 7P-2A CP - Dignics 09c, TSP Curl P3α |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 5:12am
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Chinese Real is first that comes to mind. Not sure where you can find it though. ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 7:26am
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If you find YEO too hard go to the best 5-plies blade available: Hurricane Hao. There´s no mistake.
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Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 11:11am
THanks, Taksim looks nice, its as fast as viscaria? |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 11:14am
Yeah, YEO does have a nice balance between smashing and looping, its like 60/40 ratio. I just tried peter pan, it is indeed very good in looping/blocking/short games. |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 11:17am
Hurricane Hao II looks really nice, but the reviews say it lacks speed, however it seems to excel in looping. Thanks for the recommendation, i forgot about HH. |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 1:54pm
Lacking speed is relative. Depending on your style it can be very fast. I use a H-Hao cpen and a short pip rubber on one side only, playing traditional chinese penhold style. And my forehand is fast, at least my opponents say so.
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Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 8:26pm
It is the viscaria. The only difference is that it is shaped for cpen and they changed the name, otherwise the construction is the same. ------------- DHS 301 Xiom Vega 7pro FH/BH |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 8:52pm
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Contrary to popular belief, Taksim is not the equivalent of Viscaria. Owing to their similar handle design, it is easy to mix up the two as having the same construction when the Taksim is in fact a 7.0mm blade made up of ayous/ALC/ayous/kiri/-/-/- whereas the Viscaria is a 5.8mm blade of koto/ALC/ayous/kiri(not the perpetually erroneous balsa)/-/-/-. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 9:19pm
Does HH series have bigger head than most cpens? Wang hao's cpen looks huge. You right, it does depend on playing style. It would be nice if i can try it at least once before making a purchase. :( |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 10:12am
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I'd suggest the Wang Hao blade as well, if you are looking at the commercial version, be sure to get the all wood HH 656, the HH 3 that has one layer of carbon fiber layer is not recommended. But if you have the budget, I'd even recommend go all the way for N656 or N656-1, these are the version DSH specially made for provincial team and national team. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 10:38am
I don´t think so. H-Hao head is even smaller than Avalox P700. H-Hao measures 163x150 while P700 has a 163x152 head. I find both pretty big. New Stiga cpens comes with ideal head size, imo: 159x149. Problem is they are too hard for me, Rosewood and Ebenholz.
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Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 11:38am
Cool, man, thanks for the recommendation, unfortunately for my level, I don't deserve to play N656/656-1 yet. :) |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 11:42am
Ok it must be that he left little gap betwn the bottom of rubber and origin of the handle, which gave me an impression of bigger head size.... Yeahs rw and ebz look too hard for my liking... |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 12:10pm
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Of all the Hao blades I have, I like the H-WH (Hurricane Wang Hao) best. Especially if you play full time RPB. That is the one which export to Japan as Nittaku. The DHS version is the cheapest among all Hao blade. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 12:34pm
How does HH plays compare to HH2? I like the design of II better... So nittaku HH just has better quality, but the playing character is pretty much the same? |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 12:51pm
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When you say HH, do you mean HH1 or H-WH? They are 2 different blades. HH1 is thin and a bit flex and less powerful. HH2 is thicker with more power but less feel and hard. H-WH is thicker than HH2 but with different wood ply structure. I found it has the best combination of control, feel and power. Have not own the Nittaku Wang Hao so can't comment. But no reason to believe it is noticeably better because they are both made in China. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 2:31pm
oh, I see. thanks for your input. I will do some research on that. Very good to know the difference between wang hao series. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 3:32pm
If you are a looper, HH  ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 08/15/2014 at 3:45pm
You can at least get the Hurricane Hao 656. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/16/2014 at 4:27am
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Be very careful as HHao and HH656 are the 2 most copied (fake) DHS blades in China (along with HK and HK655). A check on taobao and you will see for yourself. The newer package HH1, 2 and 3 seems fine. Also many in Chinese forum don't believe in those special CNT blades. There are simply too many for sale online. There may be genuine one but really hard to come by. You have to know someone's whoever and trust the source with your own faith. DHS won't bother to authenticate those non-market products so you will never know for sure. Some sellers actually stated that they are selling clones. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 08/16/2014 at 4:49am
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Just get something with hinoki top ply. Nittaku Septear is cheap and very good. ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/16/2014 at 7:50pm
Ohhhhh yeah good point, lots of Taobao sellers selling the non-market version which we can't know for sure... Thanks for the reminder. |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/16/2014 at 7:52pm
Thanks for the recommendation! It is a well-regarded blade for that price. |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/16/2014 at 11:01pm
Thanks, h656 is actually hurricane Hao II right? |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 08/17/2014 at 1:59am
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Hurricane Hao (TOP) Hurricane Hao 656 (CENTER) Hurricane Hao II (656) (BOTTOM)  ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/17/2014 at 10:38am
Wow! Thanks man! What's top ply and second ply on the HH II? Looks harder than the two blades above, am I right? |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 12:31am
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HK 655 and HH 656 are the best ever 5-ply cpen blades for an offensive player, 655 being a little bit ligther and thinner. Lot of catapult power without being flexy. Koto - Spruce - Ayous... PS. The bottom blade has no visible spruce in its composition |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 12:54am
Cool! thanks, they will be on my next testing scheme when i got more $. |
Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 5:28am
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Butterfly Timo Alc is good! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki club |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 10:08am
| A thin blade is necessary for RPB. Interesting, I noticed the Hurricane Hao III is only 5.8mm thick. Is this like the 655 but with the fiberglass/carbon layer? |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 11:54am
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I'm a big fan of all wood blade, and when I tried my friend's HH III, I immediately feel that it's not for me. And yes, HH III is the one with a single fiber layer in the middle. BTW, you don't need a thin blade to do RPB. From time to time, I do RPB with my KTS as well. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 4:24pm
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A thinner blade is better because you have rubber on both sides, making the penhold grip behave differently from a regular one-sided penhold grip. Speed-wise, anyone know how the Stiga Rosewood (5 ply) compare with the all-wood HH blades?
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Posted By: patwhall
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 4:45pm
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Interesting that no one recommend the blade choice of current CPEN king Xu Xin, Stiga Intensity NCT. Instead of wading into the unknown area of DHS special made, you can get an authentic Stiga for about the same price. Rosewood V is good for looping, generate lots of spin and decent speed but hitting and blocking are a bit weak. |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 5:03pm
I agree a thinner blade is better, but still 1-ply hinoki can do the same thing. In fact, if you do an in-table rpb swing, the spin is stronger for the 1-ply. I have the Rosewood (7 ply), so my comparison might not be exactly what you're looking for. But the ball doesn't dwell in as much on the rosewood comparing to the koto from my N656. The speed is faster on rosewood, but you'll lose control over there. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/20/2014 at 11:13pm
which HH do you like the best? Is H-WH better or HH1 in your opinion? |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/21/2014 at 10:23am
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All wood blades are good for penhold because of the soft touch. And to play the penhold short game, control is paramount. However, for speed and power, a faster blade is better. But the tradeoff is that the paddle will have more plies and be thicker and heavier, e.g. 5 ply vs. 7 ply. And the control will be worse. A carbon/fiber layer potentially could be thinner and lighter than the 7 ply, have similar speed, but the real question is whether the soft touch can be maintained. |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 2:52am
I wonder if the Intensity is modelled after YEO as XX used it in the transitional period between Rosewood and Intensity with great success. They are so similar but Intensity is lighter. I had recommend the Intensity Carbon on discount before. I have two YEO. One Euro and one JTTAA. The JTTAA is thicker with better feel and power. Of all the all wood Cpen I still like Rosewood V best. It is fast with ball feel. Only drawback is the weight. HH2 is also fast but lack in feeling. Start to love the Intensity Carbon more with modern rubbers. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 7:51am
I wonder if the Intensity is slower than the Rosewood V. It's lighter. Sandiway
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 9:58am
It is noticeably slower. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 10:42am
Thanks. That confirms what I've heard too. It'd be nice to have something a bit more powerful than Rosewood V to go to without compromising the touch or control. Sandiway
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Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 12:42am
| I still ended up getting arirang in the end, my game stepped up one level up. Didn't expect too much from it, and it surprised me a lot in terms of looping, power and control. My RPB strikes were much better compared to YEO since the hinoki layer allows more dwell time to flip the ball better on table, and maybe also because of the larger sweet spot it offers. Not much vibration, got gears, and high gear smashes were better than I thought since I heard it was more of a looping blade. Some say Peter Pan is faster than this blade, but I personally think its much faster than Peter Pan, yet control is still great. Looping was so much better than YEO for sure. It's a really nice blade with big sweet spot, which is much needed for pen hold "backhand" blocks. Highly recommend it to loopers, and its still great for third ball attacks I think. Nicely done, Nexy. |