I remember some used to use Tibhar Grip S but it seems for a while now nobody does.

Any info on it?

Their shots sound quite different also, but could be the blades perhaps

It also makes sense that the women may use softer sponges or less booster than men because of playing style differences.  Most women typically rely on quick-attack drives at the table which would compliment softer sponge characteristics for hitting into the wood more easily and less booster to keep the ball under control at the table.  Men typically power loop off the table and more booster would help them maintain pace away from the table and harder sponges allow them to capitalize on their physical strength.

Thanks for that. Very informative.

I then have to ask if anyone knows or has info on:

When buying these rubbers ourselves the softest they come is 39, even the blue sponge . *Edit* excluding the national versions as they are very costly*.

I have a hurricane 3 neo 39 and its been 4 years now and in all honesty I myself haven't noticed a speed loss and it is still fairly soft. Do these things show more only when you really hit hard, bare in mind I did not add any booster I just glued the NEO straight onto the blade 4 years ago

men and women both boost. i haven't seen evidence that one does more than the other other than that women proportionately has less hurricane users while men predominantly use hurricane fh. basically, all hurricane users boost, not really a women vs men thing.

women tend to use harder rubbers relative to their strength. for hitting styles, harder rubbers are better. you'll see both women and men use 38/39 deg commonly though clearly the men are stronger. they also use T05 more often on bh than T64 for the close range rippers.

which question? I asked a few.

But generally I just wonder how far off the commercial ones are to the Provincial and National. Like if i do not boost them and just use them as they come (NEO i am talking about). How different are they really comparing to what the women use.

Anyway I found a really nice online read this morning which answered everything I needed to know about it. But of course I welcome any and all info. I enjoy learning about these things they fascinate me.

Yes both of them are boosting, but I saw some rubbers of women which were all around 38-39 degree while men have rubbers around 40-41 degree... And like I said Ding Ning had this interview she was saying that the men rackets are faster. But maybe it changed?? We dont know for sure...

which question? I asked a few. But generally I just wonder how far off the commercial ones are to the Provincial and National. Like if i do not boost them and just use them as they come (NEO i am talking about). How different are they really comparing to what the women use. Anyway I found a really nice online read this morning which answered everything I needed to know about it. But of course I welcome any and all info. I enjoy learning about these things they fascinate me.

Well, these rubbers are being made to boost them, nobody is playing them not boosted so I dont really know how they are working without any boosting, I guess not that good or like very spinny but dead and hard european rubbers.

If youre boosting especially with more than 3 layers I found out there is not huge differences between the sheets. Yes there is, provincial and especially national rubbers are just more consistent in their pipe structure which means for your game, your whole rubber has a perfect sweetspot and not like the commercial ones only in the middle.

But like I said, I was boosting a simple H3N commercial with like 6 layers of Haifu on my Rosewood, super super fast rubber for 3 weeks, then I throw it in the garbage and you can take the next one.

People are gonna say: "3 weeks of playing and allready in the garbage, do you have this much money?" Noooo, but if I think about this commercial sheet around 18USD, still way cheaper than every 2 month a Tenergy. 

Your european backhand can still be on your racket for 2 sheets of forehands, so the cost are not that high.

And after 6 layers of Haifu provincial and commercial play and behave almost the same. Especially the first 2 weeks, so unless youre not national or at least very vey high provincial level it really doesnt matter for you. 

Fan Zhendong was playing Junior World Championships with orange sponge, Zhou Yu and some woman are still playing with them, so dont think you need this blue sponge when the best players in the world are able to play heavily boosted orange sponges ;)

No offense, just my personal opinion about this whole DHS rubbers world... but still everybody is free to buy what ever he or she wants!

best regards

I was considering the provincial but I guess I won't bother now. I have played with regular H3 and found the H3 NEO (factory tuned and glued with butterfly free chak) to be better for me. Felt like a slightly boosted H3 which worked for me. Haven't re glued it or anything and still plays the same. I won't bother tuning or buying prov/nat/BS ones as you have all given me enough info to make an easy decision.

Thank you :D 

women played with speed glue ,why do they wouldnt boost?

Yes both of them are boosting, but I saw some rubbers of women which were all around 38-39 degree while men have rubbers around 40-41 degree... And like I said Ding Ning had this interview she was saying that the men rackets are faster. But maybe it changed?? We dont know for sure...

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 how do you see these things

best regards