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Topic: Stiga Airoc M Review (updated with review)
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Stiga Airoc M Review (updated with review)
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 6:12am
Stiga Airoc M

Weight: approx. 68 grams uncut (max)
Hardness: Medium
Speed: Off
Test Blades: Stiga Emerald VPS, Stiga Ebenholz 5



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It took me a few days to review this rubber and carefully considered the negative feedbacks from people who have tried this rubber. I would rather be objective on the Airoc M's individual strengths and weaknesses instead of just dismissing it as a bad rubber. I cannot blame other people but it is also unfair to just judge the rubber which I have found some redeeming qualities.

The Airoc M was made due to people asking Stiga to make better rubbers than the Calibra Tour Series. The clamor was for an increased spin when Stiga's newer rubber comes out. I have not yet tested the Airoc M with the new polyball because I am still waiting for Stiga to send me some samples together with the Airoc S rubbers. 

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Out of the box, as what I have mentioned before, the Airoc smelled like and looked like it was tuned. The rubber has a reversed dome. It comes with a new light blue sponge which is porous and could be mistaken as an ESN made rubber. The "Made in Japan" label on the topsheet confirms that it is not.

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Above and bottom pictures are the close up views of the new porous japanese sponge for the Airoc M. 

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Pictures above are the sample rubbers of the Calibra Tour and Airoc M. I took photos of the 2 rubbers together and let people see the differences in topsheet. The Tour topsheet has a mat black look while the Airoc topsheet is a bit shiny and has a different grainy look.

I glued and tested the Airoc M both on the Ebenholz 5 and Emerald VPS together with the Calibra LT Spin for a base comparison. Here are the following things I have observed and I will try to be objective on each attribute of the rubber under testing:

Speed

I rate the Airoc M as fast but nowhere near the level of T64 in terms of speed and bounce. If compared to Stiga's own rubbers the Calibra LT and LT+ are both faster than the Airoc M. The Airoc M however is faster than the Calibra LT Sound and LT Spin versions. I noticed the bounciness and lively attributes of the Airoc M the moment I hit it with both Ebenholz 5 and Emerald VPS blades. When you hit with it using drives, the newly developed sponge which looked like a tensor sponge at first has a very good reaction against the ball when you hit through the sponge. 

Feel

The Airoc M doesn't feel like a true medium hardness rubber. It felt like a medium soft rubber when hitting hard. I would say the approximate sponge hardness equivalent to a euro rubber is  about 45 degrees. The rubber has a loud sound when hitting through the sponge. It sounded different from the calibra series rubbers which have a dull sound with the exception of the calibra lt sound rubber. 

Control

Despite the fast speed of the Airoc M, the control is obviously good for a fast rubber. It was good
enough to control strong smashes near and far from the table. The balance of speed, control and good feel contributes to making the rubber very easy to use even for intermediate players. The control is unlike that of the faster calibra rubbers like LT+ and LT versions which require a little more skill and touch. I can safely say that the Airoc M is a good blocking rubber both forehand and backhand with my preference to the backhand because I love its good feel and control. It's like a toned down T64 in terms of speed and spin but with a softer feel and better control. The topsheet is not sensitive to incoming spin making it very good for receiving serves. 

Spin

This is where most people are most interested before this rubber came out because they wanted something spinnier than the tour series. I asked for a calibra spin rubber side by side with the Airoc M because I felt the Calibra LT Spin is the spinniest modern Stiga rubber. To say that the Airoc M lacks spin is a bit unfair. I would rather judge the Airoc's performance on specific spin-based strokes. Let me establish the fact that the Calibra LT Spin is still spinnier than the Airoc M. I rate the Tour Series as having Average Spin, the Airoc M as having Above Average Spin and Calibra LT Spin as High Spin capability. There is a vast improvement in terms of spin for the Airoc M compared to the Tour Series. The Airoc is spinnier maybe by about 20-25% just to crudely put into numbers. I think many people will like the Airoc M if they do loop drives at peak of the bounce or off the bounce attacks above the table. If you hit more through the sponge when spinning then there is good spin. When you loop on a delayed contact timing or when the ball starts to go down then you would notice that the amount of spin is not as high compared to the first 2 timing contacts. In order to produce good spin you really need to use and hit through the sponge rather than just brushing it with less contact. This is for the forehand loops and spin drives. On the backhand, I found that the Airoc M redeems itself. It is a very good backhand rubber. I let my students block my backhand loops in different timings they say it is much spinnier compared to when I was using it in my forehand. The 2 first early contact timing against the ball still has the same results for the backhand with the late contact on the ball having lesser spin. So I realized that the AIroc is better for speed attacks with more emphasis on speed than spin. That is where the Airoc M shines. I do not think it suits a spinny looping game though.

So I conclude that the Airoc M is a very good rubber. It may differ from people's expectations because of having used to fast and spinny euro rubbers but this rubber is not bad at all. I really need to test this on the polyball together with the Airoc S when it arrives because Stiga says this was designed for the polyball. 


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Posted By: Machine_Head
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 6:48am
Looking forward to this.


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 9:17am
I have a Teflon frying pan here with more surface grip than the Calibra Tour topsheet. I'm hoping Airoc goes down a different path...

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 9:36am
the topsheet was surprisingly grippy. can't wait to test this tomorrow

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 11:24am
very excited to see this review, i was thinking about this rubber series recently, and i've been waiting for someone to get it to give a decent review.


Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 2:45pm
I have an Airoc S, topsheet is grippy as described. The rubber came curled too. Have not tried it, but comparing the hardness of the rubber to tenergy 05fx, i would say it is actually harder. 

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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 3:46pm
Almost all reviews (TT News Forum) I read about Airoc rubbers are not very positive and also Stiga players are still using Calibra or something else.. Maybe one day Stiga will start to make some rubbers on ESN too..


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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 08/22/2014 at 7:33pm
Hope it performs "the spin" well.

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 7:08am
added pics 

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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 11:00am
From another UK forum:

I am testing the Stiga AIROC M from 1 month ago. I am a left-handed player, and i have as blade a Stiga Ebenholz "PENHOLDER", and using 2 Stiga AIROC M. My first impression was a terrible deception. The rubbers are very heavy, great control, and for me very poor in power and spin.

I have tried all the rubbers of Stiga during some years, But this rubber, with both balls, not working for me and my game.
If you are looking for power, please, don´t throw your money with this rubber. 

For spin and power, with my blade or my old blade Stiga Carbo Oversize, have a great ally with Calibra LT, and Calibra Tour.



Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 11:02am
updated with review



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Posted By: srale7
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 11:50am
Reading your review, conclusions is that new Stiga rubber does not bring anything new compared to the ESN rubbers, and still  remains to see what will be the durability, because last series (Tour) have  problems in terms of durability (rapidly losing grip)


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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 11:53am
can take a picture with a ball placed on top? I would like to see it floating! LOL


Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 12:11pm
to me this Airoc M sounds a bit dissappointing. I'm using LT Spin now and I like it a lot, it's great for blocking and the feeling is really nice. It lacks a little in the spin department though. I was hoping that Airoc M would be more spinny because of higher surface grip. Seems like this is not the case according to your review. Does it play better in humid conditions than LT Spin?


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 12:41pm
+1000 points to yogi for the most diplomatic review ever.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 12:50pm
Thanks for your review! Thumbs Up

I am really looking forward to your impressions on the Airoc S.
Up to now no other rubber could replace my Calibra Sound on FH. And I tested a lot of them...


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 7:28pm
the Airoc M is a better blocking rubber than the LT Spin. I have not played under humid conditions yet with the Airoc so I can't say yet. Also, the topsheet of the Airoc looks durable enough. In fact looks more durable than the calibra series.

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 10:22am
i forgot to tell you guys, the throw for the Airoc M is low to medium arc

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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 8:41pm

Thanks yogi for the excellent feedback. It gives a clear mental picture of how this rubber operates. :)


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Posted By: proSpin
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 12:01pm
Just had a hit with Airoc S on my backhand for 2 hours on my Mizutani jun ST. It is pretty impressive, its easy to control, its soft sponge enables me to place the ball with accuracy and spin. Chopping the ball seems easy due to its grippy topsheet. Slower than tenergy 64 but higher control. Still able to generate a fair amount of speed, more recommended for backhand than the forehand. I never played any other stiga other than stiga calibra LT. This Airoc S is way better than that. 
Shall try Airoc M sometime in future. Big smile 


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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 09/05/2014 at 1:17am
I had a chance to try the Airoc M in max thickness today on the backhand of my Ma Lin Carbon where I normally use Tenergy 05 with a celluloid ball.  I was intrigued by TTD's claim that hitting and punching were strengths of this rubber, as my rpb punch is a cornerstone of my game.

After playing this evening I think Airoc M is probably better suited for harder blades like Stiga's hardwood series blades or maybe a YEO.  These were my impressions:

I had difficulty feeling the ball in many of my shots and even on flat hits the response felt rather dull (but not exactly mushy), almost like the rubber was choking my blade.  The rubber's speed was slow, almost comparable to an unglued/untuned sriver.  Where passive blocking with tenergy would spit the ball back at my opponent with their own spin, Airoc M sort of floated it back with little pace.  My hitting partner was surprised and a bit thrown off by how slowly my shots seemed to come in compared to before.

In topspin to topspin strokes as they were before away from the table the ball would often sink into the net and I had to adjust my swing upwards to get a decent shot (which is expected seeing as this was advertised as having a low-throw).  My backhand punches and loops also had to be timed before the ball reaches the top of the bounce in order to ensure I was engaging the sponge to some degree, and I also experienced a noticeable improvement in control as fewer of my shots went off the table when timed early.  But even playing with early timings, my partner said he didn't feel as pressured from my backhand as he was when I used tenergy because of Airoc's lack of speed and spin, and I did not feel like I could get a solid contact no matter how much I tried.

If I let the ball drop the topsheet was not very consistent in spinning the ball and often slipped if I purely relied on brush - similar to what yogi_bear found.  So when I was off the table the only thing I could reliably do was just to touch the ball back on the table, counter-looping at late timings tended to be a bit erratic from topsheet slippage, and it was difficult to generate enough pace to return the ball without an active swing.  Also as a penholder, my fingers kept slipping on the rubber which made it difficult to keep my paddle steady - if I stick with this I will need to scrape the finger contact area.

Lifting underspin required much more upward motion than with tenergy, and the balls came in fairly low (again holding true to the low-throw claim), but with less spin than expected as my partner put several balls into the net when trying to block or counter my opening loops.  Pushes were controlled because the rubber was very linear, although I don't push with rpb very frequently.  I don't serve frequently with my backhand, but I could not generate as much spin with Airoc as with Tenergy when I tried.  Trying to flip the ball was very frustrating, again due to the topsheet slippage I frequently experienced.  As a result, I was more conservative on picking which balls to flip, only opting for the ones that were significantly above the net.

I also briefly twiddled my paddle and had better results, as I was able to generate significantly more spin and speed with Airoc on a forehand swing.  On my forehand, it felt like a more linear and controlled version of Tenergy 64 with very little springiness but comparable spin.  But still, it is a completely different rubber than what I am used to for my forehand, and it is obviously nothing like hurricane 3.

Although I was disappointed with Airoc M's pairing with my Ma Lin Carbon, I think this rubber still has potential if paired with a harder and faster blade to more easily engage its sponge.  I also think this rubber could use some help with speed and feeling, so I will boost it before gluing it to one of my YEOs to give it another go.  But for now, I don't recommend this rubber to people using soft outer-ply blades.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/06/2014 at 9:05am
backhandwise i like it


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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 4:22pm
Is the Stiga rubbers factory in Japan?

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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 7:24pm
All Stiga modern rubbers are made in Japan.


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 11:48pm
The Airoc M is the best bh rubber I ever tried. I find mysterious that such a rubber feels actually very soft when the sponge hardness is supposed to be above 45.
The opening topspin from the BH is effortless and encourages stronger strokes with more and more all the way brutal wrist snaps as confidence never decreases.
On the fh I could not get used to it and I gave up.
At 52g cut and with a Tenergy 05 max on the fh the whole setup is getting on the head heavy side on a 7-ply all wood blade that I was testing, close to 90g; on a 91g 5 ply it was a dream on the bh.
I might keep reading around to figure whether the 1.9mm Airoc M can go under 45g cut (any clue maybe?); in that case a T05 or 80 1.9mm on the fh would seal the deal (those are close to 45g cut for sure). I'd settle for a 84g TB ALC and basta. I'd be done for good.
This week I am testing another 7-ply wood that felt even more fantastic during a 2-hours coaching session (but I could not try all the shots for good). I sure am full of hope with that rubber.
NOTE: I immediately thought of the Juic Air Condle when I played the Airoc M for the 1st time; it has been years but it felt exactly the same and the Air Condle name popped up right away. They both got that not so soft sponge that feels very soft; weird. also that tender topsheet.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/21/2014 at 7:55pm
fatt, i like the airoc m more on the backhand too. it is very easy to attack with.


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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 10/21/2014 at 8:16pm
Dang it you guys, sounds like the almost perfect BH rubber. When I get back from travels I will order a sheet or two. :)

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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 5:46pm
Great review! I love this rubber, however I wonder which blade you would recommend between Stiga Emerald VPS, Stiga Ebenholz 5 or Stiga Infinity VPS V? I play with Airoc M on both BH and FH.


Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 5:48pm
I have a really offensive game style, and I like to play close to the table! I also prefer light blades. 


Posted By: jomtack
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 8:20pm
Hi every one I'm finding backhand rubber my previous rubber is evolution el-p and yes I like it but find something better.I like opening backhand loop in table and far from table ,medium-medium hard rubber with high speed and spin ,easy to lift back spin on the table and not too high throw angle I'm prefer medium low -medium throw .what rubber would I choose between calibra lt and airoc m? Thank you


Posted By: jomtack
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 4:15am
Another question in stiga website they claim airoc m more speed, spin than calibra lt (airoc m speed148 spin 1 while calibra lt speed147 spin 125)do u agree? and pls compare airoc m and tg64 for speed spin?


Posted By: jomtack
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 9:52pm
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Posted By: jomtack
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 11:22pm
Thank u


Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 10/31/2014 at 8:18am
Originally posted by jomtack jomtack wrote:

Another question in stiga website they claim airoc m more speed, spin than calibra lt (airoc m speed148 spin 1 while calibra lt speed147 spin 125)do u agree? and pls compare airoc m and tg64 for speed spin?


Don't watch the catalogs, but believe the members here.
I have tested that rubber yet (Airoc M), but I lost all my intentions to loss time for reviews...
I posted long review about their former catalog with many non-logical things inside far of any professionalism.
How to expect a professional products from such kind of stuff?

I read Yogi posted very long review as he pointed very "diplomatic" the skills or lack of skills for this rubber.
Shortly said - it is heavy about 50 grams cut to normal BTY blade, it is with a very hard sponge, probably better than all Calibra rubber's topsheets. It is more spiny.
I felt it like a some chinese rubber, but If I need to make some general choice - 100% I will get DHS TG 3 that this Airoc M. More cheaper, more faster, more spiny, same weight.

And I think it is far of any Bluefire or other current ESN generation rubbers.
I haven't tested the S model, but surely I will miss.

Personally for me - If STIGA made a rubber with Calibra sponge and Airoc Topsheet...
That will be a good competitor's rubber on the market. But the sponge definitely must be little more stronger made. Current sponge of Calibra rubbers is very "fragile", easy to damage after removing it from the blade.
I don't arrange someone with my thoughts.





Posted By: jomtack
Date Posted: 10/31/2014 at 11:42pm
So thank ,conclusion calibra lt would be better and still one of top product for stiga rubber line?then from your post calibra lt suite for my purpose backhand rubber like tg64, evolution el-p :3


Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 11/01/2014 at 5:22pm
I can't recommend any of the Calibra LT rubbers - they are not like any of the Tenergy rubbers, nor Evolution series. Calibra are light, speedy, but has no enough spin in the top sheet.
Just look and try the paddle of some more experienced member in your club, I hope that will be more useful for you.


Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 6:25am
kolevtt, my opinion is that I have seen some simillarities in evolution rubbers.Still not the same with tenergies, but some simillarities yes.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 6:44am
My opinion is like kolevtt - it is hard to really like spin and be stuck with Calibra when you compare it to Tenergy.  I think Evolution is closer to Tenergy than Calibra.

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Posted By: rocketscientist
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My opinion is like kolevtt - it is hard to really like spin and be stuck with Calibra when you compare it to Tenergy.  I think Evolution is closer to Tenergy than Calibra.

My opinion is the exact opposite.

Airoc and Tenergy has about the same topsheet in quality. The sponge on tenergy is excellent but Airoc is not far behind. Evolution is terrible.


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by rocketscientist rocketscientist wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My opinion is like kolevtt - it is hard to really like spin and be stuck with Calibra when you compare it to Tenergy.  I think Evolution is closer to Tenergy than Calibra.


My opinion is the exact opposite.

Airoc and Tenergy has about the same topsheet in quality. The sponge on tenergy is excellent but Airoc is not far behind. Evolution is terrible.


You'd have to be really pro-Stiga to think that. To the extent that you own their lawnmowers too.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 5:01pm
I have not used Airoc so I won't comment. But the claim that Evolution is terrible is ridiculous.

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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 5:14pm
Someone have experience with Airoc + booster? Both Boost and Calibra lines react well with boosters. I wonder how Airoc would react..

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 5:47pm
From reports that I've heard, not very well. Apparently Airoc becomes more mushy when boosted, plus it is now even heavier.
But maybe that's down to boost technique or wrong type booster.



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Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Someone have experience with Airoc + booster? Both Boost and Calibra lines react well with boosters. I wonder how Airoc would react..


The problem with Calibra series is that they are not very resistant. And it's even worse with boosting. Most pro or semi pro players tear the topsheet very quickly. 2 weeks for semi pros with one daily training and only a few days for pros who practice twice a day. Airoc seems to be more resistant, even when boosting but it's true that it can become a bit mushy.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 10:16pm
Airoc m feels like it is already boosted. Boosting it would be a mistake. The only pb is its weight over 50g. I hope it can go down to 45g in 2.0 or less in 1.8, keeping the same excellent bh features.

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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/03/2014 at 2:20am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My opinion is like kolevtt - it is hard to really like spin and be stuck with Calibra when you compare it to Tenergy.  I think Evolution is closer to Tenergy than Calibra.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/03/2014 at 2:49am
the Airoc S version has more spin than the M version although when I use the M version i find it spinnier in my backhand. The S version is a good backhand rubber and blocks better


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/03/2014 at 5:50am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

On the fh in max i bet andysmith likes it big time.


I don't know mate. I liked Calibra, although it was mighty fast and wore out faster than a prostitute on £1 night. But I hated Calibra Tour with a passion which surprised me. Then I had a sheet of Boost with literally no topsheet grip - like anti.

I have arrived at the conclusion that Stiga rubbers just aren't for me. It would have taken a lot of positive reports on Airoc for me to give it a try, but there seems to be a very mixed reaction. So I'll probably pass personally. Will give it a try if anyone at my club turns up with it.

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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/23/2014 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Someone have experience with Airoc + booster? Both Boost and Calibra lines react well with boosters. I wonder how Airoc would react..

They work great with booster, have been playing with them for a while now Smile


Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 2:14am
4 of my club mates have both on their blades, airoc m and s, except one guy who has 2 m's.I tried them and I really got dissapointed one more times from stiga's rubbers, cause after ALMOST 2 months, the rubber surface dramaticaly started to fade and they have not the same spin abilities.I thought that with these "made in Japan" rubbers, stiga would change its quality of rubbers, but still I am not pleased.

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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

4 of my club mates have both on their blades, airoc m and s, except one guy who has 2 m's.I tried them and I really got dissapointed one more times from stiga's rubbers, cause after ALMOST 2 months, the rubber surface dramaticaly started to fade and they have not the same spin abilities.I thought that with these "made in Japan" rubbers, stiga would change its quality of rubbers, but still I am not pleased.

I think Airoc got a much better quality than previous rubbers. Of course it is different from player to player but I have notice that they hold up really good. Does your friends clean their rubbers? And are you playing with the new ball? Many people write that the new ball have a tendency to wear out rubbers faster than the old ball. 


Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 1:45am
The newest member who plays with airoc in my club plays 9 years, so it is sure that they clean them up.I am there and I see them.The best and natural cleaning for the rubbers, as we all know, is the moisture of our breath and then clean it with our open hand (as we see the pros doing it during a match).We have stopped using cleaning methods from different companies (rubbers cleaners etc.) cause after 12 years of playing and changing hundrends of rubbers, i have noticed that the rubbers are fading faster with the cleaners than the breathing moisture.
Ofcourse Fehrplay, I have noticed significant change in the quality between the new airocs and the previous stiga rubbers...But I expected more duration in life.I thought that a "made in Japan" rubber would change the stiga rubbers and make them more durable.They are a lot more durable than the previous stiga rubbers for sure!If I had a calibra rubber, or magna etc, the rubber would need to be changed.But the airocs still have a lot of spin and speed.


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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 7:58am
Yeah I understand, I have also noticed that cleaners wear out the rubber faster than breathing moisture. 


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 9:04am
So many conflicting observations. The best thing to do is to decide for yourselves.

I have used many brands of rubber cleaners over the decades and found only one that really does what it claims.

I won't tell you which one it is because someone will always disagree and tell me I am wrong. I won't tell you that it is Paddle Palace Rubber Cleaner and that it is a great product.

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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 9:13am
Can't beat plain ol distilled water, people at my club always comment how new my rubber looks when it's over 6 mo. old.

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

The newest member who plays with airoc in my club plays 9 years, so it is sure that they clean them up.I am there and I see them.The best and natural cleaning for the rubbers, as we all know, is the moisture of our breath and then clean it with our open hand (as we see the pros doing it during a match).We have stopped using cleaning methods from different companies (rubbers cleaners etc.) cause after 12 years of playing and changing hundrends of rubbers, i have noticed that the rubbers are fading faster with the cleaners than the breathing moisture.
Ofcourse Fehrplay, I have noticed significant change in the quality between the new airocs and the previous stiga rubbers...But I expected more duration in life.I thought that a "made in Japan" rubber would change the stiga rubbers and make them more durable.They are a lot more durable than the previous stiga rubbers for sure!If I had a calibra rubber, or magna etc, the rubber would need to be changed.But the airocs still have a lot of spin and speed.


Have you improved significantly as a player over the last few years?
Maybe it's simply that with greater experience, you have developed a greater sensitivity to performance changes in the rubber. For years, some players have told me that alll rubbers are basically useless after a month. I never believed them. But within the past couple of years, I do notice when a rubber's performance 'falls'. And yes, it's usually within 1-2 months after first gluing.



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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 1:53am
I am ranked 400 in Greece, if that helps you.And a collector too.

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 2:09am
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

I am ranked 400 in Greece, if that helps you.And a collector too.


You are a collector too! That confirms it thenSmile



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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 4:46am
You also have noticed that, so it is not only me and my club mates.All I try to say (sorry for my bad english, I hope you understand me), is that I have never seen any other rubber unless tenergy, that its abilities are almost the same as new after 2 months.I am not a fan of tenergies, but I use them for my main setup to play in trainings and in matches.But I also try many, many rubbers and blades as a collectoer , so I have images of the other rubbers.Specially when a new rubber comes out in the market and it interests me, I try it for long time just to see its durability!In the specific rubbers, I didn't have to buy them cause a club mate of mine, gave me to play his new airoc, which I liked them generally, but after he glued them to his blade and started playing with them, after 2 months they had a dramatically change.As I said I expected more cause it is "made in Japan", but still....A LOT BETTER than any other previous stiga rubber.

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 5:29am
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

As I said I expected more cause it is "made in Japan", but still....A LOT BETTER than any other previous stiga rubber.


I don't know why you expected more really. Most Stiga rubbers are made in japan, and their durability has always been poor IMO.

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Posted By: warrencowan89
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 6:30am
I thought Japan always come out quality item only? Maybe is due to the downturn of economy that been suffered for a long time in Japan, the quality start getting deteriorating? 

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 8:46am
Originally posted by warrencowan89 warrencowan89 wrote:

I thought Japan always come out quality item only? Maybe is due to the downturn of economy that been suffered for a long time in Japan, the quality start getting deteriorating? 


LOL, no. Quality means different things to different people, of course.

IMO, many modern Stiga rubbers have always been like this. I found rubbers like Boost and Calibra to have poor durability (topsheet wear, chipping around the edges, etc), but many people love them and they play well when new. I don't think it's a drop in quality, more of the general approach that Stiga take to how they design their rubbers. High performance (if they suit you), but lower durability.

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by warrencowan89 warrencowan89 wrote:

I thought Japan always come out quality item only? Maybe is due to the downturn of economy that been suffered for a long time in Japan, the quality start getting deteriorating? 


LOL, no. Quality means different things to different people, of course.

IMO, many modern Stiga rubbers have always been like this. I found rubbers like Boost and Calibra to have poor durability (topsheet wear, chipping around the edges, etc), but many people love them and they play well when new. I don't think it's a drop in quality, more of the general approach that Stiga take to how they design their rubbers. High performance (if they suit you), but lower durability.

YMMV, obviously.


It's a bit like car tyres. Lots of durability maybe 20k+ for some tyres but not great for performance driving.
The high performance road tyres  lasts maybe 5k miles. While the super expensive track stuff may last 100 miles.


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 4:54am
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

As I said I expected more cause it is "made in Japan", but still....A LOT BETTER than any other previous stiga rubber.


I don't know why you expected more really. Most Stiga rubbers are made in japan, and their durability has always been poor IMO.

Much promotion for this product and high price, so I expected more...But now that I am thinking, and the other stiga rubbers like calibra magna etc are still expensive but after 2 months of playing time are useless.


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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 7:20am
I think, the durability is always depending of the kind of using (how often? how intensive?). My Airoc S is 4 weeks old (1 official match and 1 training each week) and looks like new.

Maybe the Tenergy is more durable, but Tenergy costs 57€ here in Germany (without any discount) while I can get the Airoc for 37,50€. So I can buy 3 Airoc instead of 2 Tenergy.

I like the Airoc S on my Emerald, because it is really easy to produce spin (of course not as much as the T05). It has much more control and it is good (not top) in any kind of playing. I think, for many people it is more important to have a rubber, which is easy to play (active and passive) than a rubber, which is excellent in one point, but hard to control in others.

Are ther other users, who describe the Airoc-durability as bad? For me it is too early to resume.

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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 7:38am
Tenergy is the most "easy" rubber to play and gives you all the potentials that you need.I am talking about the big number of the players that they fit in their hands and they play with them.Ofcourse, there are other players who doesn't like tenergies.I don't think that the tenergy is better ONLY in spin rather than the airoc.I think it is better in everything.But let's not talk about the tenergies.The airocs that are used by my club mates fo 1,5 months, 3 times per week, for 3 hours training.

P.S.I just compared the tenergies with airocs, because under these playing circumstances, the tenergies have almost no spoilage.


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 8:29am
I hope this photo will help you understand what I mean!



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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 9:21am
That's really bad looking. But I am also shocked about this;
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Tenergy is the most "easy" rubber to play ...
In my eyes nearly all ESN-rubbers are easier to play.

You must have a really good technique, to use the potential of the T05. You have to stripe the ball very thin and early (at the highest point). Than you will produce unbelievable spin. But most players (I am not talking about professionals, I am talking about thousands of players in their regional clubs, players like me) are not really able to play in this kind, because they have bad footwork, they are too late, ... You are right: lots of these players play with a Tenergy (because Boll uses it), but if you see, how they play with their Tenergy, ....

Nevertheless you are right:
1) This is not a Tenergy-Thread. So this discussion was Off-Topic
2) The Airoc on the picture looks ugly. Here I agree 100%
But - to be honest - I think, after 6 months my Airoc will not look like this.

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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 10:40am
1) I use tenergy as my main rubbers since they came out in market, so i belive all these years I know how to handle and take the 80% of the rubber's abilities.(not the 100% ofcourse, I am not a professional)

2)If you continue play at this rythm (you told me one training and one competition match) ofcourse you will keep your rubber at good situation, but you know that the rubbers are fading by the time even they are not in use.(like car tires)

3)Thanks for agreeing with me with the rubber.That means that me and my club mates we are not crazy Tongue (I have to tell you that all mates that have the airocs, they are in the same situation as the picture)


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 12:55pm
I have often heard this claim that you need really good technique to use Tenergy. It is simply not true. If you can loop, Tenergy will make your loops better. Tenergy issues often show up in non-looping strokes, but you can adjust over time.

I used Calibra Spin and Sound for a while. I am like Andy Smith when it comes to Airoc. I can't use them given the importance of spin to my game and their lack of durability.

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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 1:31pm
Exectly this is what I have find out.If you have good technique, tenergy helps you to improve your self to another stage.But we should stop now talking about the tenergy and return to airoc. Tongue

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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 3:57pm
50 grams

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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/29/2014 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Exectly this is what I have find out.If you have good technique, tenergy helps you to improve your self to another stage.But we should stop now talking about the tenergy and return to airoc. Tongue

Haha I can't understand the hype around Tenergy, It's a good rubber but some people think it plays by itself... 

Great Review, Love the Airoc M, especially with the new ball! 


Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 12/01/2014 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Airoc m feels like it is already boosted. Boosting it would be a mistake. The only pb is its weight over 50g. I hope it can go down to 45g in 2.0 or less in 1.8, keeping the same excellent bh features.

I don't know of it's pre boosted but I think it works awesome to boost, gives it great speed and spin!


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 12/19/2014 at 9:50am
Well, a clubmate of mine has decided to go all-in with Airoc. S and M, both in 1.9mm. I ordered the sheets on his behalf and they arrived today. I have to say - the topsheet feels much, much grippier than Calibra Tour's was.

I'm hoping he'll let me have a blast once he gets his bat setup with them...

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Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

airoc M in 2.0; cut weight; anybody?

My airoc M 1.9 black, uncut weight is 66g. The _estimated_ cut weight probably around 46g on Viscaria.


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 1:57am
Originally posted by Fehrplay Fehrplay wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Exectly this is what I have find out.If you have good technique, tenergy helps you to improve your self to another stage.But we should stop now talking about the tenergy and return to airoc. Tongue

Haha I can't understand the hype around Tenergy, It's a good rubber but some people think it plays by itself... 

Great Review, Love the Airoc M, especially with the new ball! 

It doesn't plays itself, it is only more easy to play with from the most players.


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/25/2015 at 10:54am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:


can't wait your review.


Then you must be BURSTING with excitement by now!

In the end, my clubmate forced me at gunpoint to put his sheets of Airoc onto a BTY Balsacarbo X3. Yuk. I couldn't bring myself to have a go of that setup, and so I left this thread in disgust! *spits on carpet*

Until now! I got hold of 2 new sheets of Airoc for cheap-as-chips this week - S and M, 2.1, both Red. I'll try to squeeze a quick go in tonight's low-risk league match.

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/26/2015 at 4:17pm
Played the league match with Airoc S on the BH side of a Waldner Senso Carbon.

I really wasn't expecting much from it. I've already mentioned that I liked Calibra LT, hated Calibra Tour, and generally don't get on with most other Stiga rubbers.

Anyway, it went OK. I was surprised by the overall feel of the thing, if I'm honest. Hard to put into words without more time, and I'd really like to try the M version as well. It's soft, loud, not super-quick (definitely slower than LT). It does remind me of some older-gen medium-soft tensors in feel (Acuda S3, Rakza 7 Soft, Aurus), but it has a comparatively stable short game, less bounciness, a smidge less topsheet grip, and a more linear power delivery.

In fact, the linearity was the biggest shock to me. I can't remember the last time I used such a soft rubber which felt so predictable. I have to go back a long way - one of the softer Mark V variants perhaps? Airoc is faster than Mark V, obviously, but the dependability is there.

I felt that most shots were easy to do with Airoc S. Short game, blocking, longer pushes. The lower throw even helped with the odd chop. Flat hitting was excellent - you can just smash away at anything above net height. And the general medium/fast speed gives some leeway when you're out of position.

The bad stuff - the topsheet grip still isn't up there with most ESN or Tenergy. It's OK, but not class-leading. BH looping was reasonable when I had room to drop the wrist below table level, and the results were actually very good with late dip at the other end. But I did struggle to flick and roll short backspin receives when a bit more cramped for room over the table. I had to exaggerate the open blade angle more than I'm used to, and force myself to lower my stance. You know, like I'm supposed to for good form anyway. Using a rubber like this brings to my attention how much I rely on topsheet grip for these kind of shots.

Anyway...need more time to work it all out, but I'm quite keen to give it a fair go. I can see why people who use LT would feel this is a step down in some respects, but it's far, far better than Calibra Tour was, and I find it's much easier to use than the LT range.

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/27/2015 at 8:01am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Glad to read. I can send u airoc m max if you want to test. I still swear by it on the bh of any blade.


That's OK mate, I've got a sheet of M in Max, red here too. Will probably give that a try on the Pure Wood to avoid mushiness.

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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 02/27/2015 at 5:07pm
imho airoc needs boosting to come to life otherwise it's too lineair and slow


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/27/2015 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

imho airoc needs boosting to come to life otherwise it's too lineair and slow

Yeah, I can understand anyone feeling like that, especially if they're coming from other Stiga rubbers.  It's definitely slower than the Calibras, or most tensors for example.  It's especially perplexing when you consider that the early Stiga promotional guff talked about high speed being an Airoc thing.

For me, it's fast enough.  But I'm playing close to the table these days, and it's definitely faster than my current BH rubber - Saturn Pro.  If you play from distance then it might not give you enough pop.

It is something of a strange fish.  It's soft, and has some of the advantages of soft rubbers (good mechanical spin, blocking feel, etc).  But it lacks the things you'd usually associate with soft rubbers (bouncy, bottoms out too easily, etc).  So it feels interesting to me.  I still have an irrational desire to dislike it though, so I'm not convinced yet.


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Posted By: Leftyy
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 4:46pm
How is Airoc M compared to bluefire? Smile


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/04/2015 at 4:37pm
I rotated a few setups around to try and feel out Airoc S and M. I've had Airoc S on a variety of blades, and Airoc M on the Pure Wood (my current, regular blade).

I stand by my original impression of S - soft without being bouncy. Easy to use. Perhaps a bit "weak" when being used passively - you have to be active and positive to avoid giving an easy ball to the opponent. The only interesting thing I noticed when drilling with S was the throw when BH looping. My natural BH loop (or when lifting backspin) gave me a very high arc, but the spin didn't trouble the opponent at all. Obviously I'd need to adjust to that, but this was with the celluloid ball. I switched to a poly ball and everything just clicked into place perfectly.

Then I tried Airoc M, which was quite a lot better than S for me in most aspects. Both S&M have some great properties for my BH side - the main one being that you can attack just about anything if it's over net height. It's really easy to apply pressure on service return, for example. The difference with M is that there was an increase in stability and speed for the first attack, which resulted in more winners. It doesn't feel much harder than S when in use, but you can feel the extra stability on harder shots - much easier to punch the ball, for example.

So, sigh. I really didn't want to like Airoc, but it's good. It's a nice fit for my BH and level for sure.

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/04/2015 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Leftyy Leftyy wrote:

How is Airoc M compared to bluefire? Smile


Airoc's topsheet grip isn't as high as any of the Bluefire range, and Airoc is also a LOT more linear than BF (especially the softer BFs).

fatt has mentioned that they both share a nice feeling of dwell, which I agree with. But apart from that, they're quite different.

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Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 1:17am
how about the performance of Airoc M on STIGA Carbo7.6? did anyone try it? i want to set up my Carbo7.6 with Airoc M (FH) and Renanos Bright hard(BH), are they suit for this blade? 

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 3:54am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It seems to me the airoc m will do a good job on any blade while the bluefire is more dependant on the blade. It might be one of those personal things.

Good point - definitely so.  I can't think of any blade which would throw off Airoc's predictability. 


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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 11:43am
Speculating the durability will be poor, compared to Tenergy. The dome shape tells me it has lots of unstable boosting or unstable tension. Like speedglue and boosting.
Tenergy lasts decades. Bluefire lasts weeks. Airroc may be similar to bluefire.   


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 11:55am
Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Speculating the durability will be poor, compared to Tenergy. The dome shape tells me it has lots of unstable boosting or unstable tension. Like speedglue and boosting.
Tenergy last years. Bluefire lasts weeks. Airroc may be similar to bluefire.   


LOL. I've been known for exaggeration in the past, but you're stretching the laws of space and time with that one.

It's hard to judge durability from visuals alone. I have my own doubts about Airoc's durability based on Stiga's past record, and comments on this thread (but if it's around £22 a sheet, I can probably cope with 2-3 per year). But the doming - who knows what that really means?

The last rubbers I used with this kind of dome were Rakza 7 Soft and Aurus Soft, and they were acceptable in terms of durability for me (although they're all a pain to glue down IMO).

All of my Bluefire rubbers have always been totally flat, with no dome out of the packet. And they've all lasted 3-4 months minimum. Actually, I hope Airoc is similar to Bluefire in this respect.

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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 03/06/2015 at 1:05pm


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/06/2015 at 3:05pm
I guess this is a response to the general feeling that Airoc is too slow. I'm not surprised that the pros who use Stiga rubbers have generally stuck to Calibra so far, but maybe this would tempt a few.

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Posted By: Leftyy
Date Posted: 03/06/2015 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:


Where did you found these pictures? Smile


Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 03/06/2015 at 8:51pm
Found on Stiga new catalog

http://stigatabletennis.com/en/about-stiga/downloads/catalogs/catalogs/" rel="nofollow - http://stigatabletennis.com/en/about-stiga/downloads/catalogs/catalogs/




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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/09/2015 at 6:20am
M is on offer at TT11 this week.

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Posted By: Leftyy
Date Posted: 03/09/2015 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Found on Stiga new catalog

http://stigatabletennis.com/en/about-stiga/downloads/catalogs/catalogs/" rel="nofollow - http://stigatabletennis.com/en/about-stiga/downloads/catalogs/catalogs/



Thanks mate! 


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/11/2015 at 11:19am
M really is a no-nonsense do-anything rubber.  It definitely suits more of a driving style, but it does have more grip than past Stiga rubbers in general so it doesn't suffer overly in any particular department.

It has extreme linearity, which comes as a real surprise to me in this era of elastic, slingy rubbers.  Along with the predictable power delivery it also isn't very reactive to spin at low speeds and isn't particularly fast.  The whole package is very forgiving, and incredibly easy to use, while remaining reasonably dangerous for the opponent.

There's no chance I can make it work on the FH side, but it's the most efficient, effective BH rubber I've used for a while - since my happy days with Shark II Red Sponge, in fact.  Actually, I have the same satisfying feeling at the table with Airoc M that I did with Shark.  Easy to block, push, control the short game.  Anything short and above net height can be annihilated with ease, almost regardless of what spin is on the ball.  I do have to take BH flips on a bit earlier than before to avoid the ball dropping too low (topsheet grip isn't extreme to help with this), but that is the only adjustment I've had to make.

I'll keep an eye on durability, but apart from that - I'm sold.


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 12:46pm
Sorry for the grave dig, would the topsheet be regarded as soft or hard relative to other modern tensors currently?

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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 12:59pm
Yogi clearly said the rubber feels about 45 deg euro scale.
So the topsheet should feel that of 45 deg esn rubbers.

It seems that you didnt even read the review lol


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Yogi clearly said the rubber feels about 45 deg euro scale.
So the topsheet should feel that of 45 deg esn rubbers.

It seems that you didnt even read the review lol


Yogi specifically talked about the sponge hardness when he mentioned 45 degrees. And there are many variations in topsheet hardness among the 45 degree ESN rubbers.

Airoc's topsheet is soft.


Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 2:38pm
I felt the topsheet of Airoc was quite hard...

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