Victas Limber & Double Extra (Full Review)
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Topic: Victas Limber & Double Extra (Full Review)
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Victas Limber & Double Extra (Full Review)
Date Posted: 09/30/2014 at 8:04am
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Victas Limber and Double Extra Rubbers Got this with gratitude from Haggisv. High quality rubbers remind me of nittaku fastarc series. Haggisv offered me to review these 2 great rubbers for him courtesy of http://tabletennisshop.com.au" rel="nofollow - tabletennisshop.com.au I was a bit apprehensive on this Victas Brand because maybe it's just another brand with similar euro tensor rubbers at first but using and testing them changed my first impressions on these 2 rubbers. The 2 rubbers come with a good and elegantly designed packaging. Upon opening these 2 rubbers you could see immediately the time spent to design the packaging and the rubbers themselves are one great sight to look at. The topsheets have this high quality and grainy look. They have this kind of very grippy surface when I first inspected them. As what I have said, the topsheets have these grip reminiscent of the Nittaku Fastarc series. http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290037_zps0c92227b.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290044_zps2d338fd6.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  VS 402 Limber weight: 70 grams (approx.) thickness: 2.0mm hardness: 40 degrees http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290036_zps8ff750a8.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290035_zps06b1a75d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  VS 402 Double Extra Weight: 72 grams (approx.) Thickness: 2.0mm Hardness: 50 degrees http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290038_zps720fe242.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The Limber and Double Extra were labelled as 40 and 50 degrees respectively but when I pressed the 2 rubbers it seems Victas has a different scale of hardness for their rubbers. Unlike Joola or any other European brands, the Limber's 40 degrees rating was a but harder than it was labelled. I am not gonna blame Victas for this because it's their rating but I would rate the Limber has similar to a 45 degree Euro Rubber and the Double Extra probably 48 degrees. This is just my estimate and trying to compare sponge hardness of the 2 rubbers. The Limber has smaller pores on its sponge while the Double Extra has larger pores. http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290041_zpsdb476106.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290039_zps16aef6a8.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  My findings: Feel The Double Extra feels hard on my blade (Stiga Intensity and Avalox 550). I used this 2 blades to test the 2 rubbers to try and see which blade would likely suit them. The Limber on the other hand seems just right. I preferred the Double Extra on a limba blade like Avalox 550. The combination of hard sponge and medium soft wood of limba had this great feel when driving or hitting the ball. I also compensated on the hard feel of the Double Extra that it somehow made the ball easier to hit with. On a harder blade like Intensity, it felt strong maybe even stronger feedback on a carbon blade. The Limber however is a rubber that suits different hard and soft blades. It felt good both on a limba and walnut outer ply blade. You can also feel the ball sink into the sponge but not too much and it doesn't bottom out or hit the wood. http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290043_zpse9b50a17.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Speed The Limber is rated as off and the Double Extra as off+. The Limber is on the speed level of Tibhar Evolution EL-P, Joola Maxxx 450 and Adidas Tenzone Ultra. The Double Extra seems as fast as a Joola Rhyzm 48 degrees - hard and fast rubber more suited on hitting oriented styles. Surprisingly, when I was doing drop shots, the Limber was more bouncy than the Double Extra. The Double Extra seems less bouncy on delicate soft shots which I would attribute to its hardness. The Limber is more linear on speed while the Double Extra has a bit more gears wherein there are levels of speed on which you can perform. The speed of the Double Extra comes alive when you begin to hit more through the sponge especially on power shots like smashes and counter hitting away from the table. The Double Extra has this very long trajectory even at long distance from the table, the speed is constant. The Limber is more or less up to the middle distance only. Note that if I have both as max versions or maybe 2.1-2.2mm thickness of the sponges, the speed of the Double Extra and Limber could have been greater. http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290047_zpsac54f368.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Spin Both Limber and Double Extra rubbers have very high amount of spin generation. Had they been at max thicknesses I could have felt more spin when looping with them. The Limber has low to medium arc when looping and the Double Extra has a medium arc. The Double Extra was consistent with having the higher throw between the 2 Victas rubbers. The amount of spin which the Limber can Produce is comparable to that of the FX-P evolution or Bluefire M2. The Double Extra is a few notches spinnier on very strong shots and slow looping shots. The Limber is already spinny but it generated spin better when combined the use of the topsheet and more on the sponge. The Double Extra can spin great when you brush loop or use more of the topsheet to brush the ball and very minimal on sponge like using or looping with a chinese rubber. The speed and spin increase kicks in when you compress more on the sponge of the Double Extra and brush the ball especially far from the table where it exceeds the Limber's spin. On serves and pushes, the Double Extra seemed spinnier by a few notches than the Limber. Control Since both rubbers are at 2.0mm they are controllable. I have yet to fully experience their full speed if I have the max versions. Both at 2.0mm are already very fast with good amount of control. The Limber is a better blocking rubber than the Double Extra because it is more forgiving and having a softer sponge helps a lot. Both rubbers are at normal reaction against incoming spin not too sensitive but controllable. Drawback I think the only drawback for both Limber and Double Extra rubbers are their weight. At only 2.0mm both are at 70 and 72 grams respectively. I have used both rubbers on the 2 test blades at the same time and I can feel the weight but this drawback is not that much of an issue if your other rubber is a bit lighter. All in all both very good rubbers with high performances. I am looking forward to Victas having newer and better products that could compete with other brands. http://s169.photobucket.com/user/yogi_bear77/media/P9290045_zpsc8207fa3.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/02/2014 at 11:44am
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updated with review ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: ckhirnigs113
Date Posted: 10/02/2014 at 2:32pm
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Thanks for the review! Did you get a chance to do any chopping with these rubbers? I gathered they were still supposed to be good for that since they are the sequels to VS401. ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/02/2014 at 11:50pm
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sorry i didn't try to chop with these rubbers because i was using off- and off blades ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: kucharski
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 12:22am
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brother! do you think it will suite my style? ------------- Impossible is really impossible |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 12:25am
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maybe the Limber in max version bro ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: kucharski
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 12:28am
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alright! gonna have try that one.. ------------- Impossible is really impossible |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 1:40am
Nice review, thanks Yogi  !
Yes I was under the same impression... I've not tried the rubbers yet though. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
ckhirnigs113 wrote:Posted By: Johnny Erasure
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 2:21am
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Great review! Can you compare Victas VS>402 Limber with Victas V>01 Limber? ------------- Blade: JM ZLC Rubbers: FH Dignics 09C BH Dignics 05 Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63937&KW=Johnny+Erasure&PID=764628&title=feedback-for-j |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 4:30am
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sorry, i have not tried the v>01 limber ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 4:33am
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tried chopping them, they seem to be a little fast for chopping even with slower blades at 2.0mm ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: ckhirnigs113
Date Posted: 10/03/2014 at 8:15am
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Thanks for the info! I think I'll hold off then. ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
Posted By: Eric Fountain
Date Posted: 10/05/2014 at 12:24am
| Disagree.. I still haven't used the Limber 2.0 much that I got awhile back but it seemed relatively easy to chop with. Butter soft, loads of dwell. Medium speed, not fast, probably too.. soft on soft. I'd say generating offense is the bigger question here. Not sure when I will test further to get a surer opinion but safe to say I should have tried Double Extra. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/05/2014 at 9:11am
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v>01 or vs> 402 limber, you have to specify ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 09/27/2017 at 10:14am
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Got to resurrect this thread. Just ordered a sheet of 402 DE for bh in 2.0mm, hoping for some brush loop Chinese qualities and good short game but better driving than Chinese rubbers, hoping for the best of both worlds!! I am surprised more players don't use this rubber! ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 09/27/2017 at 11:03am
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Actually both rubbers you ordered are very good and I am astonished they do not get more attention. I have hit with the Double Extra but I do not know if it was 18 or 2.0 or max. On the forehand it was very good to loop, the arc it produced is incredible. The downside was that it needs good forward motion because otherwise it would not really grab the ball and it became inaccurate. I could be wrong on this one though, because the one I tried was nt a new piece so to speak. The V15 Limber is also a very good rubber. Pure control and very good spin and still it can produce ample speed. I got to try them 4 weeks ago when a new bloke came to us to play. He only uses Victas and I am glad I could try these rubbers. Actually, I am going to buy both a Double Extra and a V15 Limber soon. |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 09/27/2017 at 12:31pm
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ill report back after weekend where I am going to just dive in and use both at a tournament ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Rhainur
Date Posted: 09/28/2017 at 7:49am
V>15 Extra V>01 V>01 Stiff V>01 Limber and I've finally settled on V>01 Limber as my favorite FH rubber. I tried switching back to T05 just recently, and after a month, went back to Victas. Something about it really suits my stroke, and the fact that it's way cheaper than Tenergy doesn't hurt either |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 09/28/2017 at 1:24pm
What do you think about V > 01 Stiff? And how would you compare it to V > 15 Extra? I've been seriously considering both of these as my next rubbers once my current ones are done for. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 09/29/2017 at 7:19pm
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Had a quick 1 hour knock tired knock with 402 double extra tonight. on a donic wsc very interesting, fantastic for blocking, good tight game for non Chinese, been using h3neo for 12 months. Report more tomorrow after tournament used on bh only, want something a bit more dynamic than h3neo (bh) but not too euro/jap bouncy. seems very spinny, pretty solid though might be unforgiving in a match situation ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |