New BH rubber (Baracuda replacement)
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Topic: New BH rubber (Baracuda replacement)
Posted By: carbon136
Subject: New BH rubber (Baracuda replacement)
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:25am
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Hi, I'm looking for a replacement for my BH rubber - Donic Baracuda (max.). It's not the newest rubber on the market, so I think I might try something newer. I'd like to keep some (or the most) of the Baracuda's properties: control, spin, speed - the same or higher and a high throw angle. The hardness could be a bit softer (not harder!). Which rubbers would you suggest? And what about the new Omega V series? Thanks ;) |
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Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:32am
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BTY T05-FX ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:36am
| too expensive... :-/ |
Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:43am
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Hi i am looking for the same . In my mind is only rasant grip or adidas P7 ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:50am
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Rasant Grip is really good but has lower throw. P7 is like Baracuda. Not sure whether or how it is better. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:51am
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Adidas P5, Tibhar Genius ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 8:53am
Nittaku Fastarc G-1 is much better than Baracuda in terms of speed, spin & control. The throw angle however is a little lower. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
carbon136 wrote:Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 9:37am
| G1 is harder than baracuda |
Posted By: diedona
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 9:44am
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What about a Xiom rubber? Some Sigma 1 Europe... Altough it has a lower throw angle. http://www.tabletennisdb.com/rubber/donic-baracuda.html http://www.tabletennisdb.com/rubber/xiom-sigma-europe.html ------------- Xiom Aria - ST Xiom Vega Europe 2mm (bh & fh) |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 9:49am
I've just read about G-1 that it's not very good for looping with the topsheet only (like banana flick) and that's something that I don't want. Also, what about the hardness of the G-1, P7 and P5? As I said, they CAN'T be harder than Baracuda, which is softer than Tenergy 05. Has anybody tried the Omega V Euro or Asia? |
Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 9:55am
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Listen Yogi, go for Genius,it is a bit softer than Baracuda. I told you i also looking for a replacement. but i need even more spinier rubber. i dont mind how hard will be cause i use booster which usually softer the rubber:) Yogi what do you think about Aurus? can it match baracuda spin ? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:18am
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t64, nah genius is still spinnier. aurus is faster but has lesser grip. adidas P5 and baracuda are identical. both are medium and grippy ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:22am
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I have never touched a XIOM rubber, and I have played with almost all of them, that feels jumpy or lively as japanese rubbers. Baracuda is not a jap either, but its pretty springy. I don't mean to say Xiom rubbers are not good, they have good grip, good control and good power, but the feeling is different. I kind of like XIOM for FH, but for BH you may want something livelier. Tenergy 05 max (not FX) is your best choice if you want similar but better. Bite the bullet and pay the price. It lasts twice as long anyway. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:24am
g1 is a little harder than baracuda (5.9 vs 4.7). g1 rubber definitely has more grip and it's good for BH flick or looping. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:29am
Sure, T05 is one of the best rubbers available. But it's a little too hard, bouncy & heavy as a BH rubber. Most people use it on the FH. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:29am
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I just went to Tenergy 05 on my b/h from using Baracuda for a long time and I like it. I play with a 7 ply all wood blade and never liked 05 on the f/h but on the b/h it is has more spin and more power than Baracuda, give it a try. ------------- Shifter |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:48am
| Some of you probably haven't seen my signature... I have tuned T05 on my FH. After 1 layer it's now faster, softer and more controllable, but it's still harder to play with on BH than Baracuda. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:52am
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People who don't like T05 as a BH rubber need to review their technique and stop blaming the rubber. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:56am
I haven't said that T05 is bad BH rubber, but your BH and FH techniques has to be on the same level, which is not my case. That's why I don't want a rubber similar to T05, but to Baracuda, which is more controllable.
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Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 1:27pm
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If your looking for similar to Baracuda, why not try 5Q? ------------- Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm) |
Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 2:13pm
| Try vega pro, has harder sponge than baracuda but softer topsheet and the feel is amazing. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 2:56pm
They also need to quickly drop 20-30 years, 20-30 pounds and pump up their physique... right away! and stop blaming the equipment for the fact that you cannot run 100 m in 9.9 sec. Pathetic!  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: singody
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 3:34pm
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Rasant Grip is great choice, the only problem is that it is quite heavy as most of forehand rubbers. If you do not care about the weight, go Rasant grip. Or, P7, but P7 is really pricey IMO. ------------- Handmade ZLC. 厌倦源于过度求新，满足来自用心重复。 My Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41593&title=feedback-singody |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 3:40pm
Well, let's start small.... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 3:45pm
Grip 1.7 and 1.9 are quite usable in my experience. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 6:34pm
| I would recommend Airoc M! |
Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 6:43pm
T05 is a good rubber, however I don't think it suits everyone. I also think it a bit expensive for what you get, there are many great Bh rubbers out there for a much cheaper cost!
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:18pm
Everything will have a lower throw angle than Baracuda. With that in mind, Xiom Sigma 2 Euro is the rubber you are looking for. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 12:59am
+1 I recently switched from Barracuda to T05 (I actually played with T05 before the Barracuda too). It's the closest rubber I've found; in fact, I can switch between paddles in the same practice session with minimal adjustment. It's just a little more powerful. If you can't find a good replacement, then stick with Barracuda. Just because it's not new doesn't mean it's not a great rubber. |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 7:43am
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Rakza X is another good choice. I just finished my second week with it and it's neck and neck with my other favorite BH rubbers, Acuda S1 Turbo and T05. Close to the table it's great at flicks and short pushes with better touch than Tenergy 05, but has similar power away from the table. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Jerem
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 8:24am
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Rakza 7 soft all the way! Softer, spinier almost same speed but I think you can generate more power with R7S than with Baracuda. Also R7s has better feel (more natural, non-plastic like nowadays rubbers) :) And it's not expensive! IMO R7S is better bh rubber than most new pieces from ESN for eg. Bluefire, Evolution ect. |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 11:12am
I have used R7 Soft as my BH rubber for some time. Very nice control & spin. Speed is also enough. It works very well on hard blades. I switched to G1 as my BH rubber recently because of my new blade, Timo Boll ZLF, which is pretty flexy. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 11:18am
I have used R7S and generally agree it's a good BH rubber, but Rakza X has all the same advantages you listed but a better top end and is easier to control when playing touch shots. If you prefer to borrow power from your opponent, use R7S, if you generate your own, X is better. tt-japan has both for around $40/sheet so definitely try at least one of them. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 11:21am
Thanks for the info. Haven't used R X. Will give it a try. R X is harder than R7 Soft? ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 1:03pm
Yes. It's a firmer sponge, but I find the top sheet yields enough to still give spin on soft shots. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: blackhole
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 9:04pm
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I have a 5Q on the way but I have not used it. From the spec, barracuda is closer to 5Q than T05. 5Q is a bit harder (Where T05 is the hardest) 5Q is a bit faster (where T05 is the fastest) similar spin for the throw, 5Q is bit lower but should still be a medium high throw. Any comments? ------------- A monkey king waiting to capture tigers Double happiness H301 (Penhold RPB style) FH:Baracuda 2.0 BH:Baracuda 2.0 |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 3:58am
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Omega IV Asia, Vega Asia or Sigma II pro are very valid alternative. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 8:44am
Rakza 7 Soft is much softer than T05 FX!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTAbSFszL8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTAbSFszL8
I own an old Vega Asia. I played with it for maybe 1 month, because it's the softest rubber I've ever had . Is O4 Asia the same hard? |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 9:08am
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let me reiterate. baracuda = adidas P5 & tibhar Genius (both are very identical) if you want something much more durable and has better power, try Tibhar 5Q power series ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 4:57pm
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I like Baracuda, T05 and Xiom V Tour on BH. BUT is there any similar LIGHTER rubber? My elbow will thank you.
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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 5:16pm
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Tibhar Genius Sound 2mm. ------------- Shifter |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 5:45pm
Baracuda Big Slam, Nittaku Narucross GS Soft. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 2:14am
Does it feel softer than T64?
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