2nd generation Xushaofa - something has changed
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Topic: 2nd generation Xushaofa - something has changed
Posted By: iakovka
Subject: 2nd generation Xushaofa - something has changed
Date Posted: 11/05/2014 at 11:56pm
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This new Xushaofa ball (2nd generation) is just a-ma-zing!!! First generation seamless Xushaofa was quite round and probably among the best in terms of game characteristics but It was breaking like sh..t. Each time you hit the ball with the angle of your racket the ball is broken. This new one Xushaofa is just unbelievably better. Since I played with new ones I could not break a single one of them and they are playing much better! They are slightly heavier than first generation and play...well...not the same as old one but.. the closest to old ones I could find so far. Super round, better than old Premium Nittaku. I am just very happy with them! ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 12:07am
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Is this the 2nd generation Xushaofa balls that you were talking about? Available wholesale now, but "Retail" will have to wait until December, 2014 (not too long from now). Where did you buy them? Did you buy wholesale? (Since retail is not available even now.) http://www.xushaofa-sports.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.xushaofa-sports.com/ ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 12:11am
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Yes, new ones. You can buy them in some places already.My only concern is that with time the quality can go down (on purpose), coz if they break like this..they will not make any money :) ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 12:54am
| What's the date stamp on the box? |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 9:12am
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Yes, somewhere stamped into the side of the box there will be four letters, and the last two will be AD. Maybe something like XDAD or XFAD. It may not be easy to find, but it would be very interesting to know the date stamp. I have to agree, though, the XSF balls I have with a date stamp of XDAD are almost indestructible. |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 9:55am
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ADXC
Indeed it was not easy to find ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Olio
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:05am
ADXC = 1403 so manufactured in March I guess... although not labelled according to ITTF guidelines.
Edit: If indeed this is the right date, I'm surprised the 2nd generation balls are manufactured 8 months ago...
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C.4 Date Code Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:06am
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The strange thing that I just found out is...that my old Xushaofa balls, you know, those with old picture on it (some sort of curved X) also have date stamp ADXC. And they are different everything - box, balls, different place I bought them. Hmmm... ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: huri
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:19am
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hmmm interesting .... i actually have a batch with ADXC stamp in this order ------------- Dhs PG 7 FL, 90g DHS H3 National 2.15 40°,Dian Chi applied Tenergy 05 FX 1.9 |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:31am
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So mine are YYMM = 14-03 then? Never mind, the point is - I am very happy with this ball. And I tried new: Palio, DHS, Butterfly, Double Fish, and I think once I played with Jola. Some of them were"such eggs" that had trouble continuously spin with them. I think it makes sense now that after good seamless was introduced, all seamed disappear. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 2:02am
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Played with my new butch today. Just amazing, after all that crap that was available in first few month, simply incomparable. Switched to DHS in one of the games today and we( me and the opponent) immediately noticed ball is not going straight. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 7:58am
Made in March. So why a different box and different brand stamp? I have heard from one member that his has to do with agreements they had with different vendors or something vague. In other words, I really have no idea. The ones I have were made the same month, with a different stamp, and like yours a really good as plastic balls go. I use them a lot. Much better than DHS. |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 1:16pm
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Agree and as long they play so good I don't care about the stamp on the box To be honest, I think it is temporary advantage, I expect big names to copy these soon (or simply stamp their name on Xushaofa). ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 6:50pm
At the origin the seamless ball was a joint venture between XSF, Palio, and DHS, but something happened to destroy that agreement, and DHS ended up pulling out. I don't know what the sticking point was, it may have had something to do with patents and intellectual property issues. Then DHS had to develop a plastic ball of their own, and used more or less existing manufacturing procedures but with a new material that just doesn't seem optimal. The result has not been very good but it is nevertheless the type of ball that has dominated in competition. So it seems at this point there is some kind of bad blood between XSF and DHS. It seems hard to believe they could ever get back together. Meanwhile, XSF has made agreements with Yinhe, Stag, Nexy, and a few others, which is good, they will definitely sell some of their product. The best thing of all would be for a major European or Japanese company to make a deal with XSF. My fear is that XSF make a really good ball but are bad businessmen. |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/10/2014 at 1:12pm
Interesting rumors. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/11/2014 at 2:00am
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/three-star-plastic-table-tennis-ball-seamless-ITTF-approved-competition-quality/32227471045.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/three-star-plastic-table-tennis-ball-seamless-ITTF-approved-competition-quality/32227471045.html Great seller, nice price. The ball of most accurate selection, weight uniformity within the gap of 0.03 gramme. This complies with ITTF standard absolutely. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/11/2014 at 2:45am
Hmm...
 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/11/2014 at 5:01am
Zeio, I was wondering about that ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 3:06am
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OBTAINING SEAMLESS BALLS FROM THE PRODUCTION SOURCE DIRECTLY. just communicated with Mr. Franklin Yan, the boss of Minkow Shanghai Ball Plant, This is the sports goods factory now contracted to produce seamless balls for XuShaoafa and other brands. NB// XSF is the patent holder and developer of new plastic materials, and The Minkow's factory is the balls maker. Mr. Yan would be only too glad to cooperate with more forein resellers. Attractive business scheme with a great price discount. To contact the Minkow 's tradinng department this way please http://www.minkow.com.cn" rel="nofollow - http://www.minkow.com.cn |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 10:20am
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Very interesting. |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 2:58pm
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Nexy sent me a box of their Poly Balls and I just had a hit in the rec center with the post champ (1300-1500ish dude who flat hits like tennis)
I can say that this ball is a whole heap 10,000x times better than the Joola 40+ ball.
If I can make my way to Boston, I can do a better test and tryout the Yinhe ball Cole tossed in for me to sample. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 5:11pm
If these seamless balls are as good as BH-Man says they are then maybe all will not be so bad with the new plastic balls. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 8:01pm
What I've been tellin' ya. Don't torch these. |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/12/2014 at 11:31pm
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Finally!!!!!!! I succeeded to break this ball, actually even 2 balls! They are incomparably stronger than 1st generation but if you hit them really hard with the side of your racket you have a chance. Still, each one of these lasted more than average celluloid ball for me. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 10:38am
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In three + months I have only broken two XSF. Once a guy slammed the ball into the side of the table, the other time the ball was slammed into a concrete wall. The other thing also is how durable the surface is too. You can play with them a long time and they still look pretty good. The durability is amazing. We have a Gerflor-like material on the floor of our club so that helps us use balls a bit longer I think. The Joola 40+ balls, I broke six in about a week. The durability of Chinese seamed balls made around June of 2014 is unacceptable. Nittaku Japan 40+ balls made in October are pretty much the same as Nittaku celluloid durability so far. They wear pretty much the same way, tend to get a bit shiny with use. It's not their best feature, but they play great when they're new. I love them but I am hoarding them a bit, still using the XSF balls a lot because I don't know when I will get new Nittakus. |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 4:47pm
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Got some Nittaku Premium 40+ balls from Japan yesterday. Played four or five matches with hardbat and the ball was still going strong. Unfortunately I lost track of it somehow so I can't say anything more about its durability than that right now. My general impression of the ball is that it is slower and less dynamic. Celluloid balls seem to have a bit of spring in them by comparison. That said, it plays well enough. I had no real problem adjusting fairly quickly. The price is ridiculous at nearly $3 each (plus shipping from Japan). So I'm very interested in the Xushaofa ball. I need a good $1 plastic ball in the same way I previously needed a good $1 celuloid ball (DHS). I only have the Nittakus so that I can be sure to be ready for the Nationals. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 5:22pm
So where do you buy this second generation ball and how can you be sure it is second generation? ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 5:24pm
Thanks for the kind word Dave, but this is the first time I wrote anything positive about new Poly balls. Baal has been a strong advocate for balls from this same factory and has hundreds of more hours play time and practical experience with them.
The only other post I ever made about poly balls was about the Joola ones players in Boston TTC broke out. After playing exactly one minute with these things (a whole night sure convinced me though) I wanted to break out a WW II flame thrower and torch every Joola 40+ ball those flames would reach.
That is why Baal is telling me all along I should keep the pilot light off on my flame thrower concerning the new poly balls from XSA factory. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 5:29pm
What makes me shake my head at AcudaDave is that Baal and others have been telling him about the current seamless ball for a while now, but it's not until you said it that Jesus's second coming has hit him... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 7:45pm
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NL, maybe Dave has not been reading the new ball threads (like Me) I certainly haven't been paying attention to these threads much. My perception of the ball was that it was going to be a disaster early and maybe improve, so I wasn't exactly eager to be reading minute by minute developments.
Maybe Dave just hasn't been following the new ball threads religiously (pun intended). Dave isn't exactly a TT newb and you know he isn't going to say some crazy senseless stuff, also, maybe he was just crediting me with an observation (that was much more deserved by Baal & Co)
I know I have a few times on the forums opened my mouth and jammed my foot in my mouth so deep it came out the other end... and I wasn't crucified over it (haha another intended pun), so let's cut Dave a little room eh. The forum has been generous to me about that. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/14/2014 at 1:38am
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[color=brown]The ball not to be broken easely. Selling price $0.5 per one. Meets entirely ITTF standards.  TRADING SEAMLESS XUSHAOFA BALLS FROM THE PRODUCTION SOURCE DIRECTLY. just communicated with Mr. Franklin Yan, the boss of Minkow Shanghai Ball Plant, This sports goods factory now contracted to produce seamless balls for XuShaoafa and other brands. NB// XSF is the patent holder and developer of new plastic materials, and The Minkow's factory is the balls maker. Mr.Yan would be only too glad to cooperate with more forein resellers. He can offer a great price discount on a bulk supply. To contact the Minkow 's tradinng department this way please http://www.minkow.com.cn" rel="nofollow - http://www.minkow.com.cn |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/14/2014 at 1:57am
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Meanwhile, if you are not a reseller :)))) and don't need a container you can buy it here for a very reasonable price. http://www.vsport.es/en/119-plastic- I bought mine here. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/14/2014 at 2:12am
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The ball not to be broken easely. Selling price $0.5 per one. Meets entirely ITTF standards. TRADING SEAMLESS XUSHAOFA BALLS FROM THE PRODUCTION SOURCE DIRECTLY. just communicated with Mr. Franklin Yan, the boss of Minkow Shanghai Ball Plant, This sports goods factory now contracted to produce seamless balls for XuShaoafa and other brands. NB// XSF is the patent holder and developer of new plastic materials, and The Minkow's factory is the balls maker. Mr.Yan would be only too glad to cooperate with more forein resellers. He can offer a great price discount on a bulk supply. To contact the Minkow 's tradinng department this way please http://www.minkow.com.cn" rel="nofollow - http://www.minkow.com.cn |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/17/2014 at 11:22pm
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From another thread: [QUOTE=sssandy]
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LOL  I'm from XSF enterprise, But I don't recall we have contracted with any other factory to produce seamless balls. Stop spreading such ridiculously false information, or we'll take action against it.------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/18/2014 at 10:18am
| Iakovka. Who is that? |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/18/2014 at 11:20am
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Hi Igor, Apparently this guy works for XSF company but ...there is a chance this is the case where "left hand does not talk to the right" Please see other thread for details: "Have Xushaofa balls been banned?" ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 7:41pm
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Where can I purchase 2nd generation XSF balls ONLINE? TTNPP has a bulk of 100 I think with a rather cheap price about 22$ ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:03am
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This sounds really good. I bought mine here: http://www.vsport.es/en/119-plastic- but I did not research if that's the cheapest. It is certainly cheaper than buying it in Canada though
------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 9:43am
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Just ordered 72 balls from vssport via email(victor replied quickly) Can't wait to play with xushoafa... ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 6:39pm
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Whats the difference between black and red logo on XSF 3 star seamless balls. Are one of them 2nd generation? http://ttnpp.com/store/home/695-xushaofa-new-seamless-poly-ball--39.html http://ttnpp.com/store/home/727-xushaofa-new-seamless-poly-ball-3-stars-ittf-39.html As you can see only the black logo balls are ITTF approved. ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 6:40pm
How do you know they are 2nd generation my friend? Do they have a production date on them? Thanks for your reply ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 6:41pm
------------double post sorry--------------
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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 11:47pm
First generation had different picture and different box. Apart from that the ball itself is veeeeeery different, and heavier, less transparent etc. See this thread: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69040&title=2nd-generation-xushaofa-balls-are-amazing ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 9:32am
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iadkovka, check the box. There is a four letter code stamped on it somewhere. It may be something like XDAD, or maybe XCAD. Can you tell us what it is? |
Posted By: reflecx
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 10:06am
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Seems kind of fishy to me that you can buy XSF balls directly from their contract manufacturer. It's like being able to buy iPhones from Foxconn.
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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 10:17am
:), Don't you have, Deja Vu? You've asked me that on previous page of this thread. It is: ADXC ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 10:27am
Sorry!!!!!! Yes I remember now. Too many threads. Your balls were made in March 2014. Same as the ones I have been getting, which are March and April. |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 10:37pm
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So the 2nd generation XSF balls will be available directly from their site in dec 2014. Are there any online shops which have 2nd generation balls? In which month of 2014 did they release them and how exactly can I discriminate 1st to 2nd generation balls? Please provide images if possible ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 12:17pm
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I have to say, two balls made at the same time in the same place can't really be said to be of two different generations because of slight differences in the label. I think you should stop worrying about it. I have played XSF balls with multiple label types. They are all fine. They need to be made on or after March 2014, which is the case for all of the ones sold with ITTF approval stamp. In Europe you can buy them from Dandoy, the ones I got from them are fine, were made in April, 2014, had a stamp on the box that said XDAD. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 12:22pm
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IF there is really a 2nd generation coming, I hope it isn't any different from the excellent first generation. I can imagine them making it less durable to make more money... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 5:46pm
Im "worried" because, all the Greek Leagues will start using it Jan 1st 2015. I dont want to spend my money on crappy product and everytime we buy equipment from online shops, most of the players in our playing hall trust me with their money to buy balls/rubbers etc etc. So I want them to be satisfied with our purchase. Anyway all your posts about XSF balls were pretty enlightening, thank you again for your help :) ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 5:47pm
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Last question has anyone played with the 100 ball bulk of XSF balls of ttnpp? Are they durable? http://ttnpp.com/store/home/711-xushaofa-new-seamless-poly-ball-1-star-100-pcs-39.html ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:33pm
I think many people face the same issue at the moment. Unfortunately justing buying the 'better' seamless plastic balls may not help you here, because if your league or association decides to use seamed plastic balls your members will want to practice with the same balls, even if they are inferior.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:38pm
That's the 1 star red version of the XSF, right? I played one of those and it's not round. We got 1 wacky bounce out of 6-7 bounces  |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:48pm
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Please be warned that the bounce heights of different brands are sufficiently different, so if you have a tournament, find out which balls are being used before buying. There are essentially four balls with clones. DHS (which has the most clones). DFish XSF (and seamless clones) Nittaku Premium If you want to be safe, buy the DHS. They are the hardest to adapt to but are the crappiest. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/23/2014 at 11:24am
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Unfortunately, what NL says is correct. However if you actually want to enjoy playing and actually advance the game, and are in a position to make decisions about what your league or tournament will use, please choose XSF or NP40+. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/23/2014 at 11:25am
I ordered in bulk from Aliexpress, will let you know. The ones I got are three star balls. The 1-star balls are not good for much but serve practice and maybe some multiball. You might try just a box of 6 from Dandoy to begin with if you are nervous about quality. You could also try Yinhe balls. |
Posted By: TTFrenzy
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 2:28am
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Yep I dont want them for matchplay or match training. We are doing several sessions of multiball so I dont care so much about quality, as long as they dont break after 2 months ------------- http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blog/list?user=28q3ehyh2hm9o" rel="nofollow - my TT blog! Join & follow my TT blog ! Mental and Physi |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 8:23am
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The 1 star balls have extra terrible bounce and roundness - I wouldn't recommend them. They are just versions of the really bad old plastic balls being rebranded/resold as one star balls. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 8:55am
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I'm kind of with NL on this one. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 10:42am
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I paid for them and learned my lesson. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:26am
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Hi guys, I want to be fair. I was among the first ppl here to claim that Xusahofa, expecially second generation is by far better than other seamed/seamless plastic balls. Here I am to update my opinion....they are still the best in terms of roundness but...I don't know, second batch I ordered from the same place...the balls are cracking so easily. I broke 4 last training session and 3 today. I remeber, first few balls lasted for a month. I don't know what's the reason, maybe it is related to a colder temperatures. It is a winter time in Canada, maybe the ball gets to hard... ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:30am
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I still have a couple of boxes from the first batch (that lasted me longer than any celluloid ball in the past) and I am planning to do a comparison with new ones but I am officially worried. Even if I find that first batch is perfect...how am I supposed to distinguish - look same to me. ------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:59am
| Makes sense as to why i've been saying the xsf balls are terrible... |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 2:10am
You can say it, but it doesn't make it true. My own experience is the opposite. I love the XSF and Yinhe 40+ balls. I've broken a total of three now in four months of 20 hour a week use. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 2:16am
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I have seen other players breaking them by hitting with the edge of the blade; I have never broken one myself no matter how hard I hit them. In contrast, I have broken a Nittaku Premium+ within a few minutes of taking it out of the box, just during routine warm up. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 2:22am
then wouldn't that just mean you don't have the most recent batch? i'm saying their quality has gone down with the recent batch. i never got to test out the previous batches so i can't speak for those
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Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 2:24am
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I can't guarantee I have the most recent batch, but I am playing with Yinhe balls I just recently purchased. |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 4:19am
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i agree with you. i also like XSF and Yinhe seamless ball after i've compared DHS, Double fish and Palio. ------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 4:29am
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2nd generation seamless ball is better than 1st generation, no matter what the brand is. ------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:40am
simple to check. look at the four letter code. By the way, I have not had any roundness or durability problems. |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:12pm
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I saw posts that said the 2nd generation Xushaofa balls is better than the first generation. Then I saw a post that said the quality of the balls has gone down - means the 1st generation XSF balls is better than the 2nd generation. Man, I don't know what to make of these. Just ordered the XSF balls from TTnPP the other day. (Don't know which generation balls that I will receive.)
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:25pm
| I am playing with ADXC, Mar 2014, ones and still only broke one since Nov and I live in Canada |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 6:39pm
My Yinhe's are XGAD. I remember you posted the meaning of the codes somewhere, but there are so many plastic ball threads I can't seem to find it. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 6:43pm
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Probably it is XCAD, which means made in March of 2014, like most of the ones we see from XSF. It can't be XCAD because that would mean either the 16th month of 2014 or the 16th month of 2014 if they do it the other way. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 6:45pm
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XGAD is not July? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 6:49pm
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It is for sure printed with XGAD on the back of the box. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 7:18pm
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Oops, so it is. July. Sorry. Yes more recent. |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 7:23pm
Ok thanks. So this is not scientific confirmation, but my personal experience with a more recent batch is that the balls are round, durable and play great. I have broken fewer of them than I typically broke with old celluloid balls and FAR fewer than crappy plastics like the N-SHA. |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 9:57pm
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I agree about the roundness and great playing experience of XSF balls. However, my experience with their durability is different than for most other posters. I break at least one XSF ball per practice - actually tonight I had three of them break during ~2.5 hour of play. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:42pm
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PALIO: XDAC XSF: ADXC ------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:50pm
Wow. That is bad. I've never been able to break that man of even the Chinese seamed balls in 2.5 hrs! |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:52pm
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You can break ten in a row if you hit them with the edge of your racket. I've seen this lefty looper at our club broke 3 XSF in one evening, hitting the edge of his racket one after another when he went for a loopkill. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:58pm
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I have broken them only by hitting the edge of the table very hard -- and a couple of time on very hard slams in matches where I am frustrated and letting it out. For sure they don't like edges. But normally those things don't happen so I can use one for many hours. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 11:09pm
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If you mistime the higher bounce of XSF balls, it's very easy to hit with the edge of the racket... OTOH, hardly anyone hits the Chinese seamed balls with the edge due to very low bounce haha...players just miss the ball completely. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/12/2015 at 2:34am
------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/12/2015 at 7:09am
I agree, it's probably the combination of the higher bounce and sensitivity to being hit with an edge that contribute to the durability issue for me, especially since during the practice when I broke 3 XSF balls we were doing mostly drills focused re-looping close to the table (which requires closed bat). This might also explain why Nexy seamless balls last much longer (for me at least), as they bounce slightly lower than XSF. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/12/2015 at 10:27pm
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about date code information, i've learn it from Yinhe. ITTF网站上有公布，XGAD代表0714（指2014年07月生产）。 A代表1、B代表2，依次类推G是7，X代表0 因为在赛璐珞时代，ITTF在市场上抽检三星球时经常发现不合格品（不圆、直径不够等），而器材商答复是超过了保质期。。。。。 所以ITTF借新球，强制要求器材商们在包装上加上出厂日期，这样就可以监督器材商了，这对球迷其实是好事。 据ITTF资料，以往的乒乓球例行抽检均没有一次通过的，都需进行复检。而ITTF最新资料，2015年初最新一次抽检，“许绍发牌”无缝球在例行抽检中一次通过（史上第一次），也就是ITTF注册的无缝球（目前无缝球都是一个工厂生产，包括Xushaofa、Yinhe、Palio、Nexy、Xiom、Stag、Hanno）的质量最稳定。其它品牌我就不方便说了，球迷们自己比较吧，呵呵 貌似新狂飙3海绵上也有AD字样，AD代表14年，希望这个回复对大家有用。。。。。 ------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/12/2015 at 10:56pm
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Steven the first two letters are supposed to be month and the last two year (according to Dr. Kueneth of ITTF), but some companies do it the other way around (year then month). X = 0, then A-I = 1-9. Maybe that's what you wrote in Chinese. Probably we are saying the same thing. So far all the most recent ones I have are from April. Hopefully I can get my hands on some July balls. |
Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/13/2015 at 12:09am
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Baal, you are right. ITTF requrie that companies add date code to box. anyway, it a good thing for player. ------------- ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/13/2015 at 12:12am
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Definitely because this way we can see if companies are actually making any progress. I was pretty disappointed by the Butterfly 40+ balls I tried, which were made in September but which are still the same crap. |
Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 02/14/2015 at 9:33pm
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hi guys. today I officially started my experiment comparing first batch of X-fa balls with my second batch. I had 1b from 1st batch and 1 ball from second batch. Warm up was with both balls. Then I started my first game with 2nd batch ball. It broke in 20 minutes. Remaining 2.50 hours I played with 1st batch ball that survived. It is not representative enough. I will continue the experiment. Next training I will start with used 1st batch ball and new 2nd batch ball. Let's see how long 1st batch ball will last me vs. 2nd batch balls.
------------- XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 1:00pm
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This past weekend I was at a tournament that used Stag seamless balls. I assume that these are of the same Xushaofa family. I am pleased to say that there was not one breakage during the whole weekend. This is unlike my experience at other tournaments where they used Joola seamed balls. Almost one-third of those broke. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 2:26pm
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I am pretty sure that it is the same ball, but I have not tried a Stag per se. I have used XSF, Yinhe, and now Nexy, and I like them all and they all feel exactly the same to me. There is only one factory currently making these seamless balls, so it makes sense. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 6:58pm
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Baal, did you get the chance to weight the Nexy balls? How about some bounce tests compared to XSF? Thx! ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 7:59pm
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Forgot to take the balls with me to work this morning (where my balance is). Bouncing off our Tibhar Smash 28 tables and off a granite countertop the Nexy balls I just got and and some XSF balls (made in April) bounced the same height. As I mentioned above, I can't find a date stamp anywhere on the Nexy box. Bottom line as far as I am concerned: Nexy is an excellent seamless ball and you should have no hesitation in buying them if you are so inclined and like seamless balls. Round, easy to see, and nice bounce. I play about 90% of the time with XSF balls for 8 months now, and this weekend I used Nexy both days. It was entirely business as usual. Absolutely nothing was out of the ordinary compared to what I am used to. |