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Topic: Backhand Rubber similar to Rakza7 but more durable
Posted By: iakovka
Subject: Backhand Rubber similar to Rakza7 but more durable
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 9:36pm
Hi guys,
I really like my Rakza7 as my backhand rubber. I am playing with 2 MM and this thickness works perfect for me.
The only serious cons of this rubber is that with my "top-sheet type of backhand" I tend to kill the rubber in 2-3 months. It took at least twice as long to bring a top-sheet of XIOM Omega IV to the same state (6-7 m).

Anything that plays close...? What I like about rakza7 on BH is its balance. With equally long/short movement you can generate solid spin, even out of position. This rubber is really nice on chops and flips - again, quite forgiving if the movement is decent, not perfect.

Let's say XIOM Omega IV was also quite forgiving but it was very poor- Not enough bite, variability - absolutely plain for the opponent. 




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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM



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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 9:38pm
(but never before my backhand rubber lasted less than my forehand rubber)

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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 9:39pm
Well it's hard to beat the durability of Xiom so maybe Sigma II Europe? Or if you liked Omega IV maybe Omega V is an upgrade that fixes your problem with IV


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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 10:26pm
Never played with Sigma but tried it several times from others on FH - got the impression that Sigma's are much faster than Rakza7, much more aggressive, unforgiving, significantly harder sponge, longer curve, harder top-sheet. 
I am looking for similar but longer durability.


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 11:01pm
I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.

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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 12:14am
Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

Never played with Sigma but tried it several times from others on FH - got the impression that Sigma's are much faster than Rakza7, much more aggressive, unforgiving, significantly harder sponge, longer curve, harder top-sheet. 
I am looking for similar but longer durability.


True that Sigma is faster but the topsheet is only hard on Sigma I. Sigma II keeps the hard sponge but has a softer topsheet but I can see how Sigma II might not be the right alternative to Rakza 7. At this point have you considered maybe Tenergy 05 or 64? I'm not sure of another modern rubber that lasts as long as Xiom or Tenergy.


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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 12:27am
I would also recommend Rakza X if you like R7. It is similar but better grip which means more control. Looks durable so far.

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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 1:18pm
Rakza X users,  how long do you use it? 
How is it speed wise vs. Rakza 7?

Regarding Tenergy: T64 has too long curve on spin for my BH and T05 has bad block for my BH. Not to mention that my objective to change Rakza7 is to essentially to improve durability/price ratio. Don't think that any of these two will do it, really ;)

P.S. based on the description I would think T80 would be even better choice in this category but... probably will fail in durability/price ratio as well 


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: mahomedy13
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 2:35pm
im not sure how this would fare,but maybe you can try donic baracuda.it might work for you.


Posted By: Johnny Erasure
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 3:27pm
What about Joola Rhyzm series such as Rhyzm 425?

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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 4:10pm
Your worries are over, same playing characteristics on BH but longer too much longer durability is the donic jp1 or the jp1 turbo , awsome on BH blocks, counter, shop, a must try trust me. ( jp1 turbo has lower throw than jp1)

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Posted By: seahorse
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by mahomedy13 mahomedy13 wrote:

im not sure how this would fare,but maybe you can try donic baracuda.it might work for you.

I found baracuda too soft & mushy, definately softer than R7 soft.


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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Your worries are over, same playing characteristics on BH but longer too much longer durability is the donic jp1 or the jp1 turbo , awsome on BH blocks, counter, shop, a must try trust me. ( jp1 turbo has lower throw than jp1)

Donic sounds quite promising, at least in durability they are very good.
Can you elaborate on hardness and vs. rakza7? My last donic was M2 (on FH) but it would be too hard for my backhand and probably not forgiving enough.
How about all these JP versions?



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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 9:15pm
What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?




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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?




I have the Calibra Tour M Max on my BH of DHS PG12. Excellent control for blocks, pushes, touch shots and counter-hitting. Spin is very little as practically no tack. Don't bother. I would not buy this rubber again. 

 Rakza7 has way more spin & everything else.  


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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 11:33pm
Hmm, thank you

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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.
+1 

RX is fantastic BH rubber!


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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.
+1 

RX is fantastic BH rubber!

Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: p1ngp0ng3r
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 1:58am
Rakza X is harder and faster compared to R7, or not?

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Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 2:28am
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Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?
It's only been available about two months now so it's too early to give a life expectancy.  After 30-40 hours it seems new. 




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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 11:30am
Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

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Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?
It's only been available about two months now so it's too early to give a life expectancy.  After 30-40 hours it seems new. 



30-40 hours of what? :) .....coz there is no  rubber invented yet that can look new after 20 hours of my training, regardless if it is FH or BH (and I think I am crazy optimistic here, I think).



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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 3:55pm
Jp1 hardness is same razka 7 47.5 little tacky like razka ...

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Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Jp1 hardness is same razka 7 47.5 little tacky like razka ...

Sounds good Michael. I  should read about Jp1.


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 9:45pm
adidas p7, evolution el-p

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

adidas p7, evolution el-p


Don't know about p7 but el-p felt different to me: it felt like 42 deg hard whereas R7 is about 4 deg harder.

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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/28/2014 at 10:26pm
At this point my options:
1) Staying with Rakza7 2MM. I am pretty happy with it except that I would prefer something a bit softer (not as soft as Rakza7 Soft) 
2) Trying RakzaX - 2MM, although I am a bit concerned about the speed and untested durability.
3) Donic JP2 2MM - Sounds like a very good option. Lasts long, good top-sheet, good price. 
4) Xiom Vega Pro 2MM  - Just because it is cheap now and I tried spinning with it on BH for 15 minutes and got OK+ impression. Good curve.
5) I was considering Stigas but...got the impression that they lack grip on top-sheet, all except Airoc, which also has very mixed reviews, in terms of consistency and spin.



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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/29/2014 at 8:03pm
Do you think if I go 2MM JP1 it will not be too hard sponge Vs. Rakza7?
I know someone have mentioned they are both 47.5 but Rakza7 really does not feel hard rubber.
I know M2 feels too hard on my BH

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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/30/2014 at 4:53am
No jp1 feels softer due to its softer topsheet

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Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH


Posted By: Rainer87
Date Posted: 11/30/2014 at 9:23am
I had combo baracuda on FH and rakza7 on bh and I found them very similar. In speed and control the same, baracuda has higher arc and better durability. Try out baracuda.

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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/30/2014 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?



I think they have almost the same spin and control, however I think Calibra Tour got some more speed and a better touch in the outer layer of the rubber. 


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 11/30/2014 at 8:04pm
I was told Calibra Tour is not too spinny.

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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 12/01/2014 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Jp1 hardness is same razka 7 47.5 little tacky like razka ...

I ordered Donic JP3 2MM. It will be probably softer ... will see.


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 12:23am
Played with JP3 2MM. 
First impression vs Rakza7:
- less control, not critically less, maybe I just need more time to adjust as it is different hardness. I will update here, if there are changes.
- Trajectory on spin is lower than Rakza.
- Throwing angle on spin -lower, quite notably.
- Spin trajectory on BH, the arc is shorter - this is positive for me.
- Speed...hard to tell. Blocks are faster. Spins are about the same with Rakza being more linear.
- Short game, surprisingly better than rakza7, even from the first 2 hours of practice. In short game on my blade, it does not feel like tensor.

Conclusion - none, need some time, but JP3 for me definitely an option.


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 03/09/2015 at 1:09am
Just an update on what was my second impression: 
JP is not for me. It is way too different from Rakza. On my main set up I have Rakza. After going back and forth within same training, switching from one set up to another,  I like it more. It is hard to pin-point the reason, as there are pros and cons. All together JP is not a bad package but it does not feel right for me...





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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 03/09/2015 at 1:28am
For what It's worth Rasant Grip has a medium sponge. and Many, many have claimed their durability to outlast Tenergy. Plus, I've been told that Andro was the first brand to sell Esn rubbers. Therefore they have dibs on good quality Topsheet and sponge. The only thing Rasant Grip has in common with Powergrip, is the word Grip. Powergrip is another beast. Unless you've learned to play with Chinese rubbers. Don't go near that Brick of a sponge.  I love it tbh.
On the other hand I love Xiom because of their durability. Went threw 2 black Omega IV pro max for BH in 4 years. 1 Sigma II pro and 1 Omega IV pro for FH.  But i've been itching to try Rasant Grip for BH. Just saving up ;D unless i find a cheaper chinese substitute.


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Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 03/09/2015 at 10:23am
Rakza 7 are very durable rubbers.
I used a lot of sheets of r7 and r7 soft in last 3-4 years. I play looping/blocking/hitting style mostly, 3 times a week. For example T05 can last 3 months for me, neither one day longer, sponge dies. Rakzas I mostly use for 6-12 months. But once I purchased fast wear rakzas, which weared much faster, in like 2-3 months. All of them I bought from same seller.


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Posted By: iakovka
Date Posted: 04/07/2015 at 12:19am
Thank you garwor.
Probably sticking to Rakza for now and actually it lasts quite ok on my BH.


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM


Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 6:57am
Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

Rakza 7 are very durable rubbers.
I used a lot of sheets of r7 and r7 soft in last 3-4 years. I play looping/blocking/hitting style mostly, 3 times a week. For example T05 can last 3 months for me, neither one day longer, sponge dies. Rakzas I mostly use for 6-12 months. But once I purchased fast wear rakzas, which weared much faster, in like 2-3 months. All of them I bought from same seller.


Do you prefer Rakza 7 or Rakza 7 Soft for generally playing? I've always used 7 soft on my BH and it has great control. Recently I decided to use it on my FH and I was amazed by the control it provided, even to my passive shots, however I felt it's not good a few feet away from the table and tends to give away a lot of points by going into the net.

What's your experience?


Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 8:07am
I'm actually switching to rakza 7 on backhand, was using a tibhar 5q(update version) which was a spinny, high throw easy to use BH rubber for me, but found the rakza 7 a bit faster and more lively compared to 5q and it's a bit cheaper! Tho I'm pretty sure that the 5q has better control (lower spin sensitivity and less bouncy at lower speeds).

The 5q was the only rubber which allowed me to actually do evrything I could do with t05 on my backhand and yes I have more of a topsheet powered brushy backhand near the table, and tbh I'm trying the rakza as an experiment, pretty happy with 5q too!

Tried the jpo2, absolutely not what I like, havta hit through the sponge to get good spin and it wasn't as grippy and high throw as 5q, not as easy to lift backspin either,but was pretty good for punching and loop drives and wasn't too bad as a control type rubber.. But yeah! The jp02 made my bat a lot heavier.. It felt heavier than the mx-p on my FH.

Been using the 5q since like 5months and the topsheet does look messed up :P (even a sigma2 euro looked similar after 4-5 month use). But the 5q still has good enough topsheet grip though it has lost its initial kick! But still good enough!

The Adidas p5 is one rubber I wudav definitely suggested, it's topsheet somehow looks brand new even after many months of use (though it crumbles more if your not careful). Its easier to spin with at lower speeds and more controllable than the rakza and pretty much a similar category rubber as the rakza and 5q,and Adidas p7 is supposed to be better in terms of spin and power! Damn! Why does Adidas have to shut down now! Dint even get to try their stuff   :(

If yu want a tiny bit more control, and incase yua getting the 5q cheap, I'd say try it out.

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Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 9:25am
I agree with nv42, The Adidas tensors i have used are very very durable compared to other tensors.  Too bad this great rubber will be no more...Cry

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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 2:23pm
Well from the looks of it, it will still be approved till mid 2017, so we can still enjoy it till then?


Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 5:35pm
Yep, until stocks last ofcourse lol. Planning to grab a p7 soon! And yeah FYI, p5 and p3 used to be available for 23-25usd here in some local shops...No idea why it was soo much cheaper in India! And yeah, it was the genuine thing! Hated the p3 tho p5 was freakin good! Espeically at that price. And yeah, no rubber iv tried soo far can come anywhere close to the Adidas p3 & p5 top sheets durability (in terms of surface grip only, they actually crumble a lot easier than other rubbers, but nothinh too bothersome if yu take care)

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Posted By: chituan
Date Posted: 08/27/2015 at 10:31am
any serious slippage occurs..


Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 08/27/2015 at 5:16pm
Nope, rakza works pretty well with the plastic ball, I definitely did not notice any slippage even while playing a in somewhat weather.Planning on changing to rakza 7 from 5q, r7 felt a lot more lively and powerful than the 5q.I dint immediately notice at first, but the 5q doesn't play as good with the P ball as it does with the celluloid, atleast on my be, could easily adjust on the FH.It's definitely not bad ,but felt that rakza 7 had an edge on power shots and easy spin.

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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 08/28/2015 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

Rakza 7 are very durable rubbers.
I used a lot of sheets of r7 and r7 soft in last 3-4 years. I play looping/blocking/hitting style mostly, 3 times a week. For example T05 can last 3 months for me, neither one day longer, sponge dies. Rakzas I mostly use for 6-12 months. But once I purchased fast wear rakzas, which weared much faster, in like 2-3 months. All of them I bought from same seller.


Do you prefer Rakza 7 or Rakza 7 Soft for generally playing? I've always used 7 soft on my BH and it has great control. Recently I decided to use it on my FH and I was amazed by the control it provided, even to my passive shots, however I felt it's not good a few feet away from the table and tends to give away a lot of points by going into the net.

What's your experience?
Into the net? The R7 soft is a very spinny looping rubber, why would it go into the net a lot... maybe you need to adjust the stroke a little?


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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 08/29/2015 at 5:55am
Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

Rakza 7 are very durable rubbers.
I used a lot of sheets of r7 and r7 soft in last 3-4 years. I play looping/blocking/hitting style mostly, 3 times a week. For example T05 can last 3 months for me, neither one day longer, sponge dies. Rakzas I mostly use for 6-12 months. But once I purchased fast wear rakzas, which weared much faster, in like 2-3 months. All of them I bought from same seller.


Do you prefer Rakza 7 or Rakza 7 Soft for generally playing? I've always used 7 soft on my BH and it has great control. Recently I decided to use it on my FH and I was amazed by the control it provided, even to my passive shots, however I felt it's not good a few feet away from the table and tends to give away a lot of points by going into the net.

What's your experience?
Into the net? The R7 soft is a very spinny looping rubber, why would it go into the net a lot... maybe you need to adjust the stroke a little?


It loses power a few feet away from the table, so unless I lift the ball heavily or use much stronger shots, the ball doesn't get enough jump to cross over the net. That's the same observation in a lot of reviews I've read about this rubber. Nevertheless, I love this rubber :P


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 08/29/2015 at 6:44am
That would be because it's bottoming out. As you say, you need to brush harder (or finer) to stop it from bottoming out, so that you still get the lift.



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Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 2:28pm
I currently use rakza 7 soft max on bh. Rubber is soft and easy to play with. It's slower than harder rubber which is normal, harder rubbers are faster when you hit hard. R7 soft is probably not for players playing far from table, like all soft rubbers. You should have either very fast blade or flexy blade in this case. Or you have to have good technique, to use more than wrist and elbow for shots far from table. For most people r7 soft is good on bh and r7 on fh. I had good game and results with r7 soft on bh. Also with r7 on fh and bh.


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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 09/01/2015 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

I currently use rakza 7 soft max on bh. Rubber is soft and easy to play with. It's slower than harder rubber which is normal, harder rubbers are faster when you hit hard. R7 soft is probably not for players playing far from table, like all soft rubbers. You should have either very fast blade or flexy blade in this case. Or you have to have good technique, to use more than wrist and elbow for shots far from table. For most people r7 soft is good on bh and r7 on fh. I had good game and results with r7 soft on bh. Also with r7 on fh and bh.


Since past few days I've noticed something weird about r7 soft.

As mentioned I've started using it on my FH as I started liking how the ball would dig in the soft topsheet and allowed me more dwell time to generate more sidespin.

I didn't have any problem picking up heavy spiny serves but since a few days I've been playing against a player who does an impression of tomahawk serve from his left sided FH. It's sometimes a short and slow spiny serve and sometimes a fast long spiny serve. When I used r7 soft to pick up the serve, I would either go long or go into the net, this serve receiving became a nightmare for me even though I've played against much higher level players in the past with the same setup and didn't have this kind of trouble. For a few days I was thinking maybe my technique is wrong and I tried everything from changing racket angles, to changing the level of power or friction I would use to receive the serve, and I was only successful on some occasions but mostly losing points on his serve.

So today I started using my BH rubber Rakza X to pick up his serves on my forehand and to my amazement I could return the serves very easily and accurately and I came to the conclusion that it's not my technique at fault but more the r7 soft versions softness which could be the culprit. Also I was reminded how fast Rakza X was as compared to r7 soft, my opponent was having hard time when I would drive the ball with Rakza X but with R7 soft he could usually return the slow drives.

Have you experienced this as well?


Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 09/01/2015 at 11:11pm
Rakza 7 can be a hard rubber to get away from as it has so many positives going for it. You could look at Donic Bluefire M2 or M3 as a possibility. 

by the sound of it, it may be worth taking a look at Rakza X if you are really stuck on the Rakza 7 at the moment.


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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 4:29am
Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

Rakza 7 can be a hard rubber to get away from as it has so many positives going for it. You could look at Donic Bluefire M2 or M3 as a possibility. 

by the sound of it, it may be worth taking a look at Rakza X if you are really stuck on the Rakza 7 at the moment.


I already have Rakza X, trying it out nowadays :P

What's the hardness of m2 or m3 compared with rakza 7 and rakza 7 soft?



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