Nittaku Alhelg
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Topic: Nittaku Alhelg
Posted By: Madridwalker
Subject: Nittaku Alhelg
Date Posted: 12/15/2014 at 3:09pm
| Are you playing this new rubbers ? Is similar to t64 ? |
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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 12/15/2014 at 6:41pm
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Wanting to try this rubber on b/h and I hope it's not like T-64. ------------- Shifter |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 12/15/2014 at 9:48pm
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me wants... ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 12/16/2014 at 1:41am
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so what are the characteristics of this rubber? does it have a firm or soft sponge? can anyone translate? http://www.nittaku.com/products/detail/detail.php?id=528 ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: p1ngp0ng3r
Date Posted: 12/16/2014 at 2:14am
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Or just use the language selection button in the top right..... ------------- Infinity VPS - Hybrid MK - T25 FX |
Posted By: singody
Date Posted: 01/09/2015 at 6:33pm
The design of this rubber is quite radical, matching the new generation's techniques and strategies, especially Chinese players and some of Asian players. Why not typical European style? Because European style players are still chasing the highest point as best timing or even later.  ------------- Handmade ZLC. 厌倦源于过度求新，满足来自用心重复。 My Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41593&title=feedback-singody |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 01/09/2015 at 8:41pm
"40+ ball" simultaneous development rubber appeared!
Bench play and high operability of the counter, and was born in order to win the early rally against the modern response. |
Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 1:29pm
We just took one great shot of this rubber.
 ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QlKrAbsMQ?utm_source=mytt-signature" rel="nofollow - Click Here to see TableTennis11 CEO Sergei Petrov's Introductory Interview - Tabletennis11.com |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 1:51pm
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Now that's what I call a high-tension rubber. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 4:05pm
Top sheet resembles like Hammond Pro B . ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
tabletennis11 wrote:Posted By: p1ngp0ng3r
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 4:56pm
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big dome! Can be tricky to properly glue it, as the glue runs to the center while drying :S Nevertheless, if the topsheet isn't too hard (like P7), think I will give it a try. ------------- Infinity VPS - Hybrid MK - T25 FX |
Posted By: rajd1234
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 5:52am
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Is this rubber factory boosted? Coz generally the rubbers lay flat. ------------- ...Rajd... My feedback url: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72846&PN=1#893078 |
Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 7:06am
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Table tennis11 we are waiting your honest review for this rubber ;) ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: HappyHarry
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 7:21am
Wonder the same thing, my rubbers always looked like that after a few layers of speed glue!
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Posted By: igorigor
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 8:25am
| Don't worry. Rubber is 100% flat and has delicate surface like Sword Maze. (caution when cleaning). |
Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 02/09/2015 at 2:28am
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Hey all! Pimples of the rubber have larger diameter than standard Nittaku rubbers. Comparing to Nittaku Galze, Alhelg has more power and speed glue effect. In the game the sponge feels soft. It feels softer than Nittaku Renanos Hold. Sergei Petrov, CEO of tabletennis11.com ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QlKrAbsMQ?utm_source=mytt-signature" rel="nofollow - Click Here to see TableTennis11 CEO Sergei Petrov's Introductory Interview - Tabletennis11.com |
Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 02/09/2015 at 2:49am
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Is this rubbers similar to the airoc from stiga, difference being with bigger/larger diameter pips and slightly different topsheet with a different die on the sponge? ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 12:36am
Is the top sheet soft or the combination of topsheet/sponge feels soft ? Also could you provide us the Density of sponge ? ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 04/20/2015 at 9:11pm
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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/21/2015 at 11:31pm
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tested 2 hrs today. alhelg felt like fastarc S-1 and G-1. not in between, but with the properties of both. low throw and very fast, making it best suited to fast topspin attack. if i were to compare it directly to another rubber, it's similar to bluefire jp series and also more linear than fastarc. it is capable of a lot of spin. however, gripping the ball was tough. you either had to brush or really accelerate into it. in that sense, it's the same as other german tensors - which i do not like. i will try it some more because after the G-1 broke in, it played awesome. so far though, it doesn't look like it will be my next fh rubber. i think hitters may like this a lot or it fits better on the bh. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 4:23am
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Looking at the lovely pictures (slight curl of rubber when new, fine pored sponge, shiny topsheet), kurokami's fine words ("gripping the ball was tough", "fits better on BH"), the "Made In Japan".... This is a variation on Airoc. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 5:38am
| I agree with kurokami. it's fast, grippy. it pretty soft. a bit tacky. I would say it like soft vega china |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 6:07am
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I have this rubber as RPB for a while. Strange that I found it to be hard and kind of dead in feel. No modern rubber bounce that I am expecting to see in this new 40+ design. I have several Nittaku rubbers like G1, S1, Flyatt...and all got higher bounce than Alhelg. In fact it is very much like the new MX-S in every aspect. Lots of gear and hard which needs your own power to unleash the magic. It is very high in grip and control so it suits the new ball perfectly. I have TG360 for FH on the same blade and I found the softer TG360 seems to do better as RPB and the harder Alhelg fits both end equally well. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 10:46am
alhelg is slightly more linear. low gear it's easy to control on serve. yea it might fit plastic ball better. i'll try it out later.
------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 11:12am
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@kurokami: can you say something about the sponge hardness? Thanks! ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 3:47pm
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hurricane hard. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/22/2015 at 11:35pm
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update: it has many gears like hurricane and except when you contact it head on, it's easy to vary your spin. it also has a lot of spin for the amt of effort you put in. its spin is >= T05. some opponents said it was spinnier but i think that was more bc it has a higher ratio of spin: speed rather than actually being that much spinnier than T05. control is good bc it's somewhat linear and doesn't engage high gear until you penetrate to the sponge. once you do though like when hit directly, it has that tensor kick and is quite fast with a low throw (but then when you hit on, it's usually vs topspin). i think alhelg is still too fast but maybe it'll be just right for plastic. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 04/25/2015 at 1:34pm
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update: 3rd session with alhelg it has softened a bit without that tuned cannon effect right out of the pkg. now that it has some more dwell, the control is very good. its balance of stiffness coming from the harder sponge makes fast flips easier than with tenergy. i haven't overshot since though it might be adjustment to the new rubber. its speed comes out with more direct contact so when you go for a loop kill, i drive closed and mostly over the top moreso than with hurricane. the technique is more brush with a compact drive up close (like mizutani http://youtu.be/uhzC_AFU3ek?t=1m46s" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/uhzC_AFU3ek?t=1m46s ), but the result is faster than all my previous shots except mizutani with t64. conclusion: when playing alhelg, low gear is slower than tenergy, top gear is >= tenergy in speed. if you treat it like T64 or heavily speed glued bryce, you should be good to go p.s. i expect it to soften up further, allowing easier grip with the tensor topsheet, and then become even easier to play. i may make this my primary fh ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 05/05/2015 at 1:04am
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Am I wrong or does the sponge look like HPB ? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51774&title=feedback-magic-m" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: BB-Big
Date Posted: 05/06/2015 at 12:23pm
Their sponge are quite similar. Alhelg sponge has bigger pores and feels a little bit harder. For my experience, these kinds of sponge seem vulnerable to damage. Very difficult to remove glue from it. (I believe they are made by the same factory.) |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 6:36pm
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nittaku contract coach "tacshow" arai training with their sponsored player chan kazuhiro (he's played/plays on jp national team) using alhelg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR_iJzKvCCE
after playing with it for awhile now, i think my previous review was about right: more linear, low throw, more speed on when driving. in this video comparing it to Rakza X though, RX looks a lot more dynamic, high arc, like tenergy high-tension. alhelg looks very plain in comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELechFVNEJw i would say though, while it's harder to block the RX, the attacker often missed when being slightly out of position. looks super fast and spinny, but not very useful in match play. with alhelg, they were able to repeatedly attack with almost no effort. while it looks slower in practice, in match play where both players are attacking at high speed, i think it will balance out. RX looks awesome ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 10:06pm
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where is RX made? japan or esn germany ? -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 10:55pm
pretty sure mfg by ESN. at least the sponge is. have you used it? i'm trying to decide between RX and EL-P as a tenergy substitute in case i need to get a cheap sub while i'm in school with no income. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 12:39am
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they are different classes of rubbers - you can't compare them. One is softer than T05 & M2. The other is 50 deg. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 8:58am
I'm sorry I haven't. I'm a little disappointed with my omegaVasia currently. Seen about 5 hours of use. Might just send it to for sale section. It's a heap of a different rubber compared to pro. Ain't got the time to adjust my technique. My college team will buy me some new gear this season as they did last season. I usually ask for tenergies and sell em here and support brands that aren't charging an arm and a leg. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 9:27am
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asifgunz, how would you describe the differences between O5A & S2P? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 10:45am
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s2p harder topsheet. Harder sponge too imo. Tackier. But still non tacky compared to h3. It's a rubber either you will love or hate. Duarbility is crazy. My first sheet went 1.8 years. Idk why I sold it...... Many rated it as heavy, even at the WinFit (not square out of package) shape. I would probably say it is pretty close to a chinese rubber in terms of weight. Most people stay away from rubbers of that hardness, especially on the bh wing. ZaPenholder some time ago had said it's his alternative to old h3 speedglued. It's also as pricy as the recent xiom rubbers, if not more. I am not switching out of it unless Xiom stops making em or I become sponsored lmfao. imo s2p is the Best rubber out of Xiom lineup, 2nd is omegaivpro, 3rd omegavpro / vega jap tied. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 11/29/2015 at 2:09am
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i saw some of the xiom players from kor using OVT. i'd probably use OVP/OVT if playing xiom ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 12/01/2015 at 1:20pm
| Kurokami- at the end of the day, coming from H3 and if you had to pick one, which would you use on FH? G-1 or Alhelg? |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 12/01/2015 at 11:34pm
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G-1. it's more similar to H3 or 05 between the two. alhelg is more like omega v or 64/80 and better suited to speed looping than power looping like the way they play in japan. i will give G-1 another try or go back to h3. i switched off G-1 to test alhelg bc G-1 is too hard out of the pkg like other ESN that i've tried. boosting was not effective with G-1 unlike with S-1, and i expect, C-1. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 12/03/2015 at 2:41pm
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For anyone interested, I just posted a review of the Alhelg on this http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73730&title=tabletennis11com-testing-opportunity" rel="nofollow - forum . ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 12/05/2015 at 4:08pm
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*update: boosting is somewhat effective on alhelg vs G-1 in that it can accelerate breaking in quickly, softening the rubber with just a single thin layer. (G-1 remained hard even after 3 layers). resulting hardness is like boosted hurricane ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |