Float serving
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Topic: Float serving
Posted By: Jama9
Subject: Float serving
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 10:46am
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Could anyone explain or direct me to some advice on how to execute a float serve please? Paul ------------- Powerloop |
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 10:56am
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What is a float serve? Is it a no spin? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 10:57am
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Posted By: Jama9
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 11:00am
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Yes, sorry. The key is the disguise, i use pendulum and looking for it to look like side spin but is actually no spin/float ------------- Powerloop |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 11:22am
| Try contacting the ball as close the handle as possible while keeping the serve motion fast and similar to what you do normally. |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 12:21pm
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It's not my best serve but an important one. Here is an important factor to think about that I don't think gets factored in enough. And kudos to those players out there who do. The two bounces in your serve, one on your side and one on their side before they contact the ball will naturally put slight topspin on the ball with it's forward momentum. The key, I think, is to make sure it's no spin when they contact it. Not no spin when you serve it. Having said that, I'll often give the ball a very faint backspin when I serve it. The two topspin bounces tend to negate that and voilà, it's no spin by the time they get it.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 12:41pm
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Serve side backspin but contact as close to the handle as possible and so not brush as much. Do note that you need to have a heavy spin serve for the no spin to be a real variant. If you can't serve with heavy spin, the contrast is not that much. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 12:43pm
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Disguise is important here or its gonna be killed. I am not precise enough to pick where I contact the ball on the racket, so what I do is I would use the same motion as my underpin serve except at the point of contact my blade is slightly more open and I am trying to eat the ball into the sponge and hit it forward instead of grazing through the ball and that creates a low/no spin serve for me! ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 7:44pm
hmm slight backspin gives two top spin bounces = no spin pissing myself (maybe I come acroos as rude but you read it) slight backspin = a slight back spin serve not what you are trying to say ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
suds79 wrote:Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 8:12pm
I'm not sure I'm following. Perhaps I worded it wrong or my meaning isn't clear. Not sure if you understand what I'm trying to say and are just telling me I explained it funny or if you're saying I explained it funny and you don't understand. I'm guess it's the former. Either way, my apologies. I'll try one more time just for the sake of clarity. I basically try to do this on my float serve. - Serve with the slightest version of backspin - ball bounces one on my side of net (forward momentum adds some topspin from the bounce) - ball bounces on their side of the net (forward momentum adds some topspin from the bounce) - When opponent goes to return that ball, at that point the ball should be relatively spinless.
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Posted By: BLADERUNNER
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 9:54pm
You explained well and clear for me!!! 
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/12/2015 at 9:59pm
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I hear you Mr Suds and you can write anything you want and some people may agree with what you are saying but from my experience the spin is continued To me a float is pretending to spin and as others have said disguising the serve with before and after actions
------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 3:00am
"forward momentum adds some topspin from the bounce" - sorry, but this makes no sense what so ever. If anything, the initial backspin imparted by the bat during the serve will be affected by the friction with the table and air. |
Posted By: Olio
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 4:23am
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I think what Suds is trying to say is that spin dissipates and disappears with time (given enough time, a spinning ball will stop spinning), and if you only put some very light backspin, by the TIME is has bounced for the second time, the spin has dissipated and is effectively a float. Very important point made by NL is that if you don't have a similar but heavy-spinned serve, you'll get in trouble with your float.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 7:42am
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Here is Larry making the same point that Suds was trying to make, smackman. http://www.tabletenniscoaching.com/node/1875" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletenniscoaching.com/node/1875
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 8:38am
| One other thing is a no-spin serve had better be low. Sometimes it's effective to serve heavy backspin that bounces high, especially if it is long, because it tempts people to hit slightly down. But a high no-spin just gets killed. |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 9:29am
The table has friction. I encourage you to take a ball in your hand, toss it over like a serve. Bouncing once on your side and once on theirs. In your toss, be sure the ball is not spinning in any direction whatsoever. Make a perfect no spin toss. If you have a ball you've marked, that's helpful. These have helped me immensely in seeing how much & how little of spin I'm getting on serves. Made with tape and a sharpie.  Now make your toss and watch the ball. Notice the spin on the ball after that 2nd bounce. It's rotating over ever so slightly in a topspin manner due to the friction of the table. Not no spin as it was when you tossed it. The backspin I shoot for is just enough to negate that difference.
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Posted By: DistantStar
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 10:25am
pretending to spin WILL add a slight back spin dude ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Xiom Sigma Euro 2.0 Tibhar Genius Sound 2.0 |
Posted By: DistantStar
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 10:30am
There're several ways to fake no spin as backspin I believe. 1. what nextlevel said 2. what nextlevel said, but instead of contact close to handle, contact close to the back edge of racket. (this is what i do) 3. having a downward convex swing, contact at begining of swing you get back spin and contact a bit later you get weak/no spin (Xu Xin's version) 4. The opposite of #3, this I believe people who do the stab/hook serve use... ------------- Nittaku Acoustic Xiom Sigma Euro 2.0 Tibhar Genius Sound 2.0 |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 10:56am
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Suds is right!!! if the ball truly have no spin coming off of your racket then the friction between ball and the table will turn the ball slightly topspin when it reaches your opponent! ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: illinichamps
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 12:53pm
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i use a method of hitting the top of my racket and then doing a swooping motion to make it look like a backspin serve. works 80% of the time if you practice it well enough, because it is the same motion as the backspin serve except that for the backspin serve you hit the ball on the bottom of the racket.. hope this helps.. ------------- H3 Prov. |MJ SZLC | 05 FX |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 1:02pm
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It is often very effective to be able to execute a high spin serve and a no-spin serve with identical motion - the trick is the difference in where you contact the ball, how long is the contact with the ball, and whether you do something with the last wrist snap. Serve high-underspin serve first, then - do the no-spin serve with the almost identical motion. Important thing is to know what you expect from your opponent and be ready for corresponding return in both cases. For instance, first, he pushes back your underspin serve - hopefully not too short - and you start your attack with opening backhand loop. Then on the second serve he does the same thing but as a result he pops up the ball and you are ready to kill it with fast loop-drive (preferably into his body). ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 1:14pm
look people will be reading that comment then now think that it will change to top spin and then to no spin so no problems jeez or I didn't spin the ball very much in the first place Hitting closer to the handle , using same stroke deception, doing a chopping stroke but hitting in the top half of the blade,making a scallop stroke with a lite contact, adding some speed , making he ball bounce twice on their side, extra arm movements after strike etc can all help add to the fact you /we are putting less spin than we look like we had anyway for me a lite backspin is the deception (not a ball that suddenly changing spin 3 times lol) and If I pretend to spin it will mean Im pretending to spin less than my opposition thought ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |