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Topic: The Most Ridiculous Style!
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Subject: The Most Ridiculous Style!
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:22am
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I nominate this guy (guy in red)!!! ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:43am
I thought he's gonna invent RPF. Ha!------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: mark20
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:53am
| I have played with that style for years. Initially its tough to play against with. Thru experience you will find their weakness. |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 11:36am
| It's really not that different from your typical SH push blocker who uses his BH for everything. The only difference is how he holds the paddle. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:18pm
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Rate the players....1750 US? ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:18pm
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I kind of figured he was using anti on the red side, so blocking a lot with rpb ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:23pm
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Looked quite well dressed to me... ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:27pm
| not that ridiculous, but I think blocking with the reverse side on the extreme FH side is not that smart |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:50pm
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It's painful to watch. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:02pm
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What's so ridiculous about a pushblocking style? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:10pm
Looks like a good pushblocker, just with the penhold BH. His grip must be a little different than the "standard" penhold grip to make it work. |
JohnnyChop wrote:Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:12pm
Gotta be better than that. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:17pm
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> Looks like a good pushblocker, just with the penhold BH. His grip must
be a little different than the "standard" penhold grip to make it work. He's using a somewhat unusual handle on the racket. Hard to see for sure on the video but it appears he has some "nub" he grips and no protruding handle on top, which gives a bit more flexibility. I suspect something like this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.118.rIFXXp&id=38413356825&ns=1&abbucket=3#detail ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 2:32pm
I would think around 2000 - don't think I will be able to beat them. That one smash the guy hit was very good - so I think if he sees weak balls he will put them away! Style may not be great - but an effective if you're not a strong player. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 2:41pm
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I used pushblocker style years ago. I won some major upsets of players around 2000 rating. I always felt I won the point strictly on my equipment and not so much on skill. I gave it up and have never looked back other than a recent switch to SP's on BH. I didn't enjoy winning that way and felt I was covering up weaknesses. Yes defenders need tools also but that style of winning is just plain ugly and nothing will ever change my mind. Sure there are strategies to win against that style but I feel our sport simply can do without it.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 2:41pm
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I've not seen that before, but in my trips to China I have seen all sorts of strange self-taught stuff, some just as unusual as that. |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 4:34pm
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This dude looks like a Seemiller style Pushblocker with Pips or Anti using a modified C-Pen bat and a modified grip to make it very similar in function to Seemiller, use it exactly the opposite way - BH side to receive everything. Strange interesting don't see that every day weird indeed. That is not to say it is bad, just different and I welcome it.
I have seen a LOT of Korean C-Pen players make mods to their bat to make it more J-Pen like in function. I have seen some make their C-Pen bat REALLY easy to twiddle, often these guys were very skilled Div 1 city players who used OX LP on one side and could use the OX to setup or hit and finish points. There was one such chap who visited our club and would use his inverted side to setup OX LP hit finishes. I mean this guy really craved to finish with the OX LP and he was good. He wasn't a match for heavy spin deep, but if you played the push to push game he would slap your face. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 5:24pm
Well nothing ridiculous with the pushblocker style... This guy's approach to it is ridiculous. And by ridiculous I don't mean bad, I mean unusual, it make you think how he developed it... ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 5:34pm
It's not uncommon for traditional PH players to put LP on BH for occasional trickery. This guy just took that to its extreme. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 5:38pm
Still not clear. His grip is unorthodox, but its pretty obvious that he developed it with an extreme BH orientation. He can loop on his forehand. When I compare him to other players who use their push blocking backhand all over the table, he looks pretty conventional aside from grip. Since even inverted players use BH on FH side now, his game is quite mainstream for his level, grip aside. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: acid
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 5:46pm
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funny style eh? we sure have a lot of characters in PingPong  |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 6:20pm
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His grip is 90% penhold. It's worse for FH open angle, but he's not using those anyway. Interesting, but really not that different. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 7:30pm
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Just enjoy the rarity and the unconventionalness of the style... Kinda fun to watch... ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 10:13am
| Playing nearly every ball with LP in this way is not that unusual. However, reverse penhold was invented to allow a more natural backhand attack. Although some could attack bh with classic penhold, the backhand was mainly for blocking and pushing. So I do find it a bit on the ridiculous side, but not outrageous, that he has chosen RPB over classic one sided. |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 10:17am
By using RPB for it, it allows him to use his FH to hit easy balls.
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Posted By: harldhzx
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 10:44am
It is unconventional and kinda funny to watch  . I assume not so funny to play against
 . My feeling is that these push block styles try to simplify the game to get most of it with regards to 'effectiveness'. Look at how the guy in red gives up the shots which are beyond his game plan. I personally would also favor two winged looping as it is more athletic and much more awesome. |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 11:40am
Agreed. Once I look past the grip I see a game that is very similar to the one played by one of our local regulars - who is probably a very solid 1900 or so USATT level against people he plays regularly and maybe 2000 to 2100 against loopers not familiar with that style. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 11:47am
The general strategy seems to be to make the opponent play a game he doesn't want to play by: 1) Changing the timing and pace by taking the ball early. 2) Using anti or LP on one side only which makes the opponent spend a tad more time "reading" the spin 3) Placing the ball in unusual/difficult locations that the opponent then has to adjust to. 4) Returning a higher percentage of attacks. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: dajdosta
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 2:11pm
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If the guy in red was attacking those high balls and putting pressure on his opponent then his game would be much more effective. Or another option for him is to be very consistent at blocking and giving sharp angles. But the way he was playing in the video experienced opponent can just wait for the right ball to attack and if it is blocked then push some more without risking and wait for another opportunity. No need to hurry. The guy in the green had good tactics |
Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 3:52pm
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maybe he got back pain... someday my back is so painfull that i am not able to loop... only lp ox pushes... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 4:24pm
1), 3) and 4) have nothing to do with equipment or even style, and everything to do with skill. 2) can be blamed on his opponents, not him 
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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 4:32pm
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Those are just emphasized skills for pushblocking compared to others points of focus for topspin attack like generating speed or footwork. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 5:26pm
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That penhold player isn't much to look at. But if I play him, I don't stand a chance - the guy is probably worth 2000 usatt. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 6:14pm
+1, What's the point of pushblocking with RPB when he can just use forehand to do that. Seems very unnecessary. His style is both painful and ugly to watch...  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 6:19pm
It allows him to use his FH side to serve, smash and loop without twiddling.
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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 6:53pm
1, 3, & 4 are all standard strategies employed by pushblockers. Regarding "2", the issue isn't blame. The point is that since anti or LP are less common, most players will take a bit longer to read spin and/or will make more mistakes reading spin. That is an element in many pushblockers' (all?) strategies. "Blame" is beside the point. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 9:08pm
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You guys don't recognize that? That's the v-grip. Which is the name Tom Veatch gave it. Don't know what it's called in CN. I still have the ones I made and the one I bought from China. ------------- DHS 301 Xiom Vega 7pro FH/BH |
Posted By: HappyHarry
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 3:13pm
Haha that was weird... but funny 
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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 12:21pm
Notice the back (in addition to front) is same as pen-hold. It's just a penhold with the handle cut off for a better angle on the "RPB", and a block inserted to prevent slip due to the newfound lack of contact surface. That v-grip (rest of fingers wrapped around an "angled" handle) seems to have started with SH. It's arguable they might meet somewhere in the middle if you keep pushing from both ends, but they started off with different motivations. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |