alternative to tsp spinpips chop
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Topic: alternative to tsp spinpips chop
Posted By: pongp
Subject: alternative to tsp spinpips chop
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 7:58am
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my set up: TSP spinpips chop (1,5 mm) on bh (the original version, hard sponge) blade BFY joo se hyuk fh tibhar gripS 2,0mm Game: I am a forehand player, looping and hitting from all directions. I avoid playing with my bh, as far as my opponent allows me ;) Sometimes i'm not fast enough anymore to play balls with my fh that are aimed to my bh corner. The spinpips chop are good for keeping the ball in the game, but sometimes they're too slow for me (and yes, they are very slow!!!). I'm looking for a good alternative for these short pips: - spinny - medium-hard sponge - fast blocks, hitting through spin (not with speed but aimed) - good for chopping - not too fast, not a tensor - good for playing second line (1-2 mtrs from table) Anyone with a good advice? |
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 10:52am
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I'm also using a Joo Saehyuk but with 1.5mm TSP Spectol. I think Spectol is a little softer than Spinpips chop but TSP also makes Spectol Speed. Spectol Speed has a harder sponge than regular Spectol so it might be to your liking. Spectol rubbers are not spinnier but they are faster. You can still generate some decent spin though. Spectol is also the king of short pips when it comes to blocking and hitting. It's also used by many world class players for chopping (but usually with a softer sponge). Do not confuse Spectol Speed for Spectol 21. The 2 use very different sponges. Spectol 21 has a softer sponge and Spectol Speed has a harder sponge so I imagine Spectol Speed is more in line with what you are looking for. Here's a link for an example, notice the Speed sponge sticker on the top: http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-tsp-spectol-speed-sponge#.VM5Kky5moUc" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-tsp-spectol-speed-sponge#.VM5Kky5moUc ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 10:54am
i would suggest spectol too… but it is on the soft side! not to hijack the thread but how do you guys like hitting and blocking with sp on the too blade? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
GeneralSpecific wrote:Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 10:59am
Spectol is medium soft but Spectol Speed is far from soft and is rather hard. I really like blocking and hitting with my JSH a lot. It has a hard outer ply, while most other chopping blades are softer. It's also probably the second fastest chopping blade after the Matsushita Pro Special. In another thread I was talking with AgentHex on how we were agreeing that the JSH is pretty much a semi-oversized OFF-. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 11:39am
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Spectol, friendship 802-40, friendship 802, thibar speedy soft, all with 1,5mm sponge ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 11:42am
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Hyacking the thread is no problem ;) I also play rather offensive with the blade: looping from second line and flat hitting close to the table. I will take a look at the spectol speed though i guess it's much faster than my present rubber. I do like the overall quality of tsp... |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 12:44pm
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I looked up and it's really fast. More like a fh short pips. As well it's only in 1,0 or 1,5 mm. Anyone has experience with the spectol speed in 1,0? On my joo-blade: i made it smaller to normal size, which almost plays the same actually. But wheight is less :) |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 12:54pm
Spectol Speed is fast but not tensor fast. It's slower than Spectol 21, which is slower than tensor short pips. Let me illustrate the speed like this from slowest to fastest: Spinpips chop<Spectol<Spectol Speed<Spectol 21<Tensor short pips For hardness, Spectol 21 is the softest, followed by regular Spectol, followed by Spectol Speed the hardest. I've never seen or tried any Spinpips but from what I've read Spinpips chop seems to be similar in hardness to Spectol Speed. Ultimately, yes Spectol speed is a noticeable increase in speed from your Spinpips chop but it's still slower than all tensor pips as long as you don't speed glue. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 1:12pm
| So, is the 1,0 sponge a logical sponge on this kind of rubber? |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 2:02pm
Possibly but I don't know if I can answer that question as I personally have never and would never go below 1.5mm for short pips/inverted. While I imagine we share similarities in how we play our backhands I can also imagine we have several differences. For example I much prefer a softer sponge. Eventually I'm going to be switching from Spectol to the softer and faster Spectol 21. I can tell you however that using 1.0 and lower means you have a limit on how offensively you can play no matter how hard or fast the sponge is. 1.0 is thin enough where the sponge's characteristics itself tends to make less of a difference as compared to 1.5 or thicker. So if you should decide to use a 1.0 sponge expect to be doing a lot more blocking, chopping, and chop blocking while hitting less. This is especially true the further back from the table you go. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/01/2015 at 2:24pm
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That was my concern. Years ago i used a short pip in 1,0 on my fh and it was nothing. so i will look for a 1,5 one, maybe medium hard.. the regular spectol might be an option. or the speedy from butterfly. the 802-1 Is hard as well so i might try... thanks all so far! |
Posted By: rulia
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 4:10pm
| Butterfly Challenger Attack |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 4:59pm
DHS 802 regular (not 802-40). ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 6:25pm
Do you mean friendship/729? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/03/2015 at 2:04am
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i guess roudrobin means friendship, yes. the 802 comes in 802-1, 802-40, anyone knows te difference? I know the 802-1 bit, I think it has a harder sponge as well. The 802-40 is softer? |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 02/03/2015 at 2:12am
Yes, my mistake!  The 802-1 has wider spaced pips than regular 802, and 802-40 has bigger pips than either 802 or 802-1. For chopping I prefer the regular 802. 802-1 is less spinny than either regular 802 or 802-40, good for blocking against topspin but when used for chopping, its ability to produce a heavy push against push is poor. The 802-40 is used for hitting, not blocking or chopping as its control is the worst of the three. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/03/2015 at 2:43am
| i think i can use a 802-1 from someone in my club, so that will be my first step...but the regular 802 will be better choice maybe |