Butterfly Price Revision???
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Topic: Butterfly Price Revision???
Posted By: AndySmith
Subject: Butterfly Price Revision???
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 9:53am
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OK, this is an interesting read. http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html Now, running it through Google Translate isn't a perfect experience, but I get a general feeling that this announcement is all about the price fixing and international shipping restrictions imposed by BTY in recent years. There seems to be mention that due to increased "smuggling" (ha!) stock has been short in Japan. So...what do others think? Is this a return to the days of freely-available BTY products? Are they backtracking? Would be great if anyone could give a better translation of this post... ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 11:14am
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good find Andy - you are the bearer of good news! So it seems that they're doing away with fixed prices in regions and shall let the market (dealers) decide (just like it is for ESN products). I'm assuming that dealers shall be all allowed to ship globally and compete with each other then. This is great for those that live in the US and Europe. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: looneylooper
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 11:18am
| Sounds good. Thanks for letting us bty ho's 👍😆 know! |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 11:39am
| if this turns out to be true i'm going to be pretty happy. Often when i let players use my equipment and they're interested in it they become instantly deterred when i tell them the price of just a single sheet of rubber. |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 12:49pm
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The truth is probably that their global sale is decreasing rapidly due to their stupid policy. A company can fall rapidly just for a stupid policy. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: Timo1978
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 5:04pm
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Before Butterfly will "allow" more competition you can be pretty sure they will rise their Prices before. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61541&title=feedback-timo1978" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 5:19pm
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Butterfly will increase their pricing certainly. And that's good news? I'm missing something... ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 6:46pm
| Butterfly may not increase their pricing significantly...else they may lose their share in the local market . |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 10:13pm
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NEW SELLING POLICY BY BUTTERFLY AS RESULTING FROM MASSIVE SMUGGLING BY DOMESTIC SHOPPERS, ---> DRAIN BTF PRODUCTS OUT OF JAPAN ABROAD. Essencials from BTF Public Appeal.
NOTE: The "forein" dealers are still free to keep up their retail price AT ANY RATE they think good for their business. Luckily, I have never been butterfly product eater. Never. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html&usg=ALkJrhiFDjDbx4cT42_zGPkEDfcO2yIupg" rel="nofollow - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html&usg=ALkJrhiFDjDbx4cT42_zGPkEDfcO2yIupg |
Posted By: vivan4tt
Date Posted: 02/10/2015 at 10:34pm
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Isn't it just a matter of the yen vs euro/dollar value ? Increasing the prices when the blade is sold in Yens, decreasing it when its sold in other currencies ? The issue seems to be that prices in Yens are much more appealing than prices in €/$ and thats why they complain about products made for Japan market going abroad. ------------- Mizutani sZLC / T05fx / T05fx |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:54am
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More likely this is the result of ESN products closing the performance gap and proliferating through a cornucopia of brands and distribution networks. Android v Apple. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:10am
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I wish. At the last big tournament I entered I couldn't see one player over 2000 with not BTY blade. Rubbers have more variety, but even there most folk have at least one tenergy. But blades.. complete hegemony. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 5:02am
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Butterfly prices are about to increase up to 25% on domestic market. The information is accurate although I still don't know whether it will be applied to all products or just to the best selling items. Fortunately I'm not Butterfly addict so I don't care. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 6:52am
Interesting observation - very different from what I observed in my club. I just counted 13 active players >2000 and only 3 of them use BTY blades ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Victor_the_cleaner wrote:Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 8:53am
At one Rec Center in NYC where 18 players have/had a rating >2000USATT, 15 of them uses BTY blades. Even more for those who are unrated, & <2000USATT=S ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 9:40am
Could it be that since my club is located in "poor" (LOL) suburbs of NYC that we cannot afford BTY prices? ... or we don't know much about equipment and unknowingly play with inferior gear? ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 9:44am
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Wait, but I just ordered two sheets of $40 Evo mx-p from Estonia. It hasn't even come yet and Bfy is going to lower the US prices they just raised a few months back? The USD is up so they could cut prices here, but exchange rates change more frequently than customers will accept for retail prices. If you pick something to use long-term, you want to have a good idea what it will cost. I bet tenergy stays at $68. Blade prices are crazy high, it's true. But compared to rubbers the blade cost isn't much. And there are always used ones in perfect condition on the forum.
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Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 9:47am
LOL... The "poor" cannot afford to live in your area if they choose to use BTY gear=P We have a dealer that runs around & telling players they will play better with BTY gear=S ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:16am
Where did you get this information from, could you share your source? ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:06pm
Well, I could, but I prefer to keep it confidential. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:25pm
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Amazing! The $/yen has gone sky-high (it was below 78 in 2012 and is 120 now - a 53% rise!). Their costs are in yen (local factory) and by hiking the domestic market prices and keeping the $-based price the same, they are, in effect, hiking prices dramatically overall! As they should - in both the NJ-clubs that I frequent, especially the one in which there are a lot of kids training, at least 75% of the people there must be using Tenergy rubbers and BTY blades. I had asked a 2500 player & Tenergy user there if he ever thought about using MX-P - he hadn't even heard of it. Just look how successful their SZLC blades have done given the profit margins on them. It validates their decision to keep raising prices till the players' backs break. Good businessmen but bad for us! This is exactly the opposite of what we (in the US) see is happening to the prices of the ESN products (effective prices have come down because of the $ rally against the EUR). ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 8:14pm
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Prices have fallen sharply (25% on many items) on the US butterflyonline website for blades and rubbers. Tenergy for $51, Viscaria for $90 - odd. Wonder if this is permanent (even though they say that it is a sale). Or, perhaps, they're getting rid of the dealership. BTW: has this happened in Europe as well?
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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 8:35pm
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34187&PID=853563&title=the-pros-equipment-discussion-and-questions#853563" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34187&PID=853563&title=the-pros-equipment-discussion-and-questions#853563 ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 8:47pm
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Wow, Tenergy for $51 |
Posted By: looneylooper
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 9:52pm
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Prices are just about the same on iru iru. |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 10:48pm
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It is very unlikely that NA butterfly just quits their business. No matter what, this is great news. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 10:54pm
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according to that news, Butterfly will modify the pricing starting Feb 21, which starts at this time in Japan. It is interesting to see whether megaspin and other retailers keep up with the changes. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 11:48pm
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must sell off blades quick >.< ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow">  Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 11:55pm
Does that mean higher in Japan and lower here? Or some other direction? It seems like it's already come down here, but then again, it is already Feb 21 in Japan, so maybe that is it? |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 2:30am
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Unfortunately, prices are higher in Japan. Some composite blades are up to 50% more expensive today than yesterday. Tenergy rubbers also. Prices are equal to the prices in Europe now. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 1:51pm
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they're back up again here too. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 2:40pm
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Yeah just checked and I called pp to confirm. Prices n back to normal now ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 3:38pm
=========================== After I saw your post, I checked and it indeed was $51. Then I put a post on our club's website alerting everybody, Tenergy is $51. (That's yesterday.) Then I checked today, it is now $67. I removed my post from our club's website, because the prices I mentioned are no longer valid. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 4:22pm
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I did see Tenergy was $51 (yesterday, Feb. 20, 2015), after I saw Baal's post. *** May be the prices we saw was a "Computer Error", not "On Sale". ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: acid
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 4:51pm
i saw it too and it's clearly said 22% - 25% discount. But today it's back to the regular price. May be it was A SECRET SALE for Lunar New Year or something ? 
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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 4:52pm
| No BTY price changes in UK. T05 price has been £49.99 for several years now. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 5:08pm
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I actually bought a couple of sheets at that price. I have no idea why it was that low or why it went back up. Very strange. |
Posted By: looneylooper
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 5:11pm
| Bought a couple of Pelluci shirts for 22 each, now it's back at 39.99 price. Also had a double case for 15 usd now it's back to 29.99 usd. |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 5:27pm
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I was able to grab some rubbers, bags, and balls. I was thinking to order these from Japan, but it would be much more complicated. The sale seems to come out of nowhere and ends with no reason too. That is the way how butterfly treats its customers, as always. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 5:33pm
====================== fatt: You got it right. Prices have returned to normal - means they are a lot higher than yesterday. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 6:11pm
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fatt, how did you know? |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 7:12pm
I beat he ordered many SZLC blades and Tenergies 
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 9:56pm
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Fatt, here is where it gets interesting. I had not considered the question you asked until just now, and I will keep people well informed on this, because now I am suspicious. I ordered from Butterfly NA yesterday and received an email that included this, which indicates that the order I made is "in review", and not that they will actually honor it. That order was last night, and today was a business day (for most companies in the US) and I have not heard from them since yesterday. Note that my credit card was "authorized". I went back to look at the email because of your post. It is odd that it is "in review". We will see that that means. If they decide not to honor it, I will write posts on every English language forum in the world blasting them for completely dishonest business practices. The three I know of are here, OOAK Forum and Table Tennis Daily, but if there is anyplace else I need to know about please let me know -- should it come to pass that they decide not to honor this order at this price.
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Posted By: looneylooper
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 10:36pm
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@Baal I'm with you, somehow mine is "In Process" |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 10:49pm
 you placed a web order at 8 pm Friday night and are surprised that it's still processing? ------------- 
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Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 11:02pm
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Earlier last week I ordered a tournament used europa sky table from a 3rd party store at $1299 because they were the only ones left that I could see still had free shipping. Three days ago I get a notification that it's back-ordered until March 12th which I somewhat expected, after the arnold challenge in columbus. Two days ago I notice in the new catalog that it's been updated with a new paint scheme and a 25+ top optimized for the new ball, bummer, not a major deal though. Yesterday I see the $700 price on tournament used, $985 for new (old model), figure they are clearing way for new stock, seems like a rightful price for a now outdated table by BTY standards. I email said store to see if they can price match since they have that policy. Early today I see the cut price on the new tables (old model) is no longer so I fear the same will happen with the tournament used and email said store again with some urgency, thinking I maybe should place the order at BTY so as not to lose the deal. This is where it's at. I'm hoping to either get that deal or hold out on the new model. I don't blame said store, they aren't the problem here. Side note, it looks like they sell these for 599 euros. I get sponeta is there and all but it still seems like a huge mark-up for the US. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 11:50pm
A bit surprised. A lot of Internet businesses will process orders on a Saturday. As I said, we shall see. |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 2:12am
Haha, that would be me. They did not honor it. One time PP was selling the huge ball catcher net for FREE!!! I placed the order, and they called me back the next business day stating that they will not honor it...  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:19am
http://www.affordablett.com.au/smf/index.php edited to add: well, disregard... looks like it's a ghost town now
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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 8:53am
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Even at $51 for tenergy, they still make a lot of money out of it. They would be just stupid to not honor these orders. My orders are under review too. I was wondering what the heck they need to review an order of a couple of hundred dollars. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 9:01am
yes but surely they aren't making that much profit on ALL their products. the tenergy, yes they are definitely making a good amount of money at 51 a sheet. but some of the blades and other products were quite discounted. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 11:22am
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A big company like Butterfly making slightly less money on a few sheets of Tenergy and a few blades won't hurt them. My guess is that they will honor the orders. Those who ordered, please keep us posted. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 12:12pm
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I believe this was a short time sale for some stuff instead of price error as some implied. Most items were 25% off and price slightly higher than those in Japan. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 12:15pm
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As of 10AM CST I have not heard from Butterfly, so we will see if they actually plan on selling the Tenergy at the price they listed. |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 12:19pm
It is possible, but if that is the case, they might have antagonized other distributors in the U.S. ... If were Bty distributor and had to historically strictly adhere to their pricing policies (e.g. no discounts), I would be rather unhappy to see that the main distributor was allowed to lower the prices significantly to clear their inventory ... unless Bty coordinated it with all U.S. distributors but nobody else decided to lower prices. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 12:38pm
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Update on my table issue, it seems as though the low pricing was absolutely an error and table prices were not marked that way just to clear overstock. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 2:23pm
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eon, I wonder what they mean by "error"? Did someone go into their website and systematically lower the prices on virtually every product? Or had they planned on having a sale and then thought better of it and decided not to honor the prices on their website? |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 2:27pm
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so butterfly will not honor it? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:03pm
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I really thought they'd honor it... ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:26pm
To be fair, I don't yet know with 100% certainty because I can't access my home email right now. I can say this. I ordered some Tenergy Friday evening at the listed price of $51 per sheet. My credit card was approved for $102 (two sheets). As of 11 AM this morning (Eastern time, where Butterfly NA is located), they had not sent me an email indicating that they would send me the product at that price. Approved is not the same as charged, so it's not like they've ripped me off. But we will see if there is something fishy about this. I think they should honor these prices. |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:43pm
My situation is unique where I didn't order directly from Butterfly and instead through a 3rd party store that had free shipping. My item was on back-order and I was hoping for a price match since said 3rd party store does that. They contacted Butterfly and that's what they told him, error on their site. That's all I know. Had I used my best judgement and ordered direct from Butterfly right when I saw the deal, it might have been honored but I'm not sure. I know it sounds confusing, but it was a choice...do I reorder at Butterfly and lose free shipping at 3rd party store, or wait for 3rd party to see if they can price match. All without ending up with two. Potential savings could have been $300-$600. In any case, now I'm waiting to get the 2015 model. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:45pm
I'm not sure at the moment either. It's looking like someone at Butterfly NA screwed up bigtime, though. |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 4:39pm
yes, this is why i dropped my mj price in the for sale section to 135$ when i saw this. then someone reserved the blade and butterfly raised the price back up and i raised it back up aswell. i felt bad  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 5:19pm
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It's not as if they're losing money for a relatively small pricing error so cancelling orders would be nothing but a dick move on their part. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 5:36pm
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I hope its an error, because I'm mad that I didn't hear about the sale and buy something. -------------
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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 7:19pm
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My order was shipped today and expected to arrive on Wednesday. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 7:26pm
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they honor it? Eonblue, i would be annoyed if i were you. you would have saved quite a bit. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 7:50pm
You do not save by buying something, only spend less. Meanwhile, it is still cheaper to buy from Japan including shipping cost. I don't know whether TT11 will carry butterfly in the future. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 8:05pm
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Now that I am home I see that I hve received an email from Butterfly indicating that they have shipped the two sheets of T05 that I bought for $51/ea. I guess I got lucky. I still have no idea why the price was only for about one day. |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 8:06pm
i don't think it would be cheaper to buy a table from japan. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 11:40pm
YES!!!! A LOT OF MONEY! After the initial development making TT rubber are as good as gold or oil. It costs little to run an injection molding machine and glue sponge to a top sheet then cut it. The price has nothing to do with the exchange rate or what it costs to make. The manufacturers charge what the market is willing to pay. Think of software. Microsoft Office sells for many 100s of dollars. It doesn't cost that much to print a CD. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 2:35am
Don't think it is the case anymore as the cheaper price from Japan is all the culprit. Tenergy has jump from 6k to over 8k yen in Japan so it makes it back up to about the same USD68. Unless someone is still selling out their old stock with the old price or giving out deep discount, buying from Japan is not really a viable option for most. TT11 always carry Butterfly blades and rubbers but block to view from outside their territory. I do hope the next step of Butterfly is to lift their ban from selling across continent online. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 3:52am
Butterfly needs to charge enough to pay for R&D, marketing, employee wages, benefits, rent, utilities etc. Such things cost money. Same for Microsoft. Software maintenance updates aren't free. Just because a product is finished development doesn't mean there aren't anymore expenses. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: ydpai0
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 5:04pm
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I ordered two Tenergy 05 FX. they honor the order. Luck me. Here is the email : We wanted to make you aware there was an issue with our website over the weekend where pricing was showing incorrectly. We will honor this price for the order that was placed but any future orders will have to be at the current price listed.
Thank you for choosing Butterfly Table Tennis for your table tennis needs. |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 5:14pm
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Back when the Japanese Yen was better than the dollar (76 JPY = 1 USD ) about two or three years ago, Butterfly North America raised their prices blaming the bad currency exchange rate. Ever since the USD has shot up compared to the JPY in the last year, Butterfly NA never brought the prices back down for the same reasoning. So its all BS anyway. Butterfly NA can charge whatever they want for whatever reason, as long as Tenergy is popular and people are buying it. Just don't believe what they say in those stupid notifications, press releases, etc. I'm guessing there is a limit to how much they can charge for Tenergy before demand will start to go down. Hopefully they are at that mark right now, and the price is not going up. Who would actually buy Tenergy for $75 or even $80 USD? The problem is that their competitors also raise their prices. There's no incentive for me to try other rubbers if I'm only saving $5-7 a sheet. I will pay that much more to use Tenergy vs. ESN...  -------------
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Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 5:28pm
Yes I was really annoyed but am over it now. I'm not sure it would have helped putting in an order directly with Butterfly since it was out of stock anyway. Also feared that they'd send me the most banged up one if I got it for that price. Regardless, the order is cancelled now. I give up until the new Europa is available. pingpongdepot.com has a lot of alternative options (Donic, Andro) that I'd buy in a heartbeat but the ones I like are for Canada only. From what I gather, pretty much all of these tables that say "Made in Germany", are likely made at the Sponeta factory. Definitely Butterfly is. I'm not satistfied with the options for stationary tables in the US. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 6:07pm
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(loopmeister) Who would actually buy Tenergy for $75 or even $80 USD? Apparently some players did, at a whopping $89.95 per sheet, which Butterfly graciously reduced to a more modest $69.95 a sheet a while back. My Winter 2013/2014 Paddle Palace catalog has the various varieties of Tenergy priced at an even more modest $64.95 per sheet. See, Tassie52 and NoRema and roundrobin and Baal, I can write about something else other than *******. I've even played a bit with Tenergy on a borrowed racket a few years back (don't remember which type, probably Tenergy 05). It didn't do a heck of a lot for my fh and bh loopette a la Wang Hao (is he retired now? pity.), because the tables at the Armory Park Recreation Center here in Tuscon (20? year old Stiga Privat rollaways) were restained apparently some time ago, and they no longer take the spin we've all come to love. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 6:12pm
I believe someone mistakenly entered the official wholesale price of Tenergy into the computer as the retail price. Sandiway
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 6:18pm
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I got this today: Thank you for your order with Butterfly Table Tennis. We wanted to make you aware there was an issue with our website over the weekend where pricing was showing incorrectly. We will honor this price for the order that was placed but any future orders will have to be at the current price listed. Thank you for choosing Butterfly Table Tennis for your table tennis needs. Best regards, Ken |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 6:44pm
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nice job guys. Sucks for Butterfly, but then again, its not like they will lose money for the erroneous discount ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 6:53pm
Here's the thing: Even at $51, Tenergy rubbers are too expensive. At Dandoy, for instance, one can buy 4 MX-P sheets for about $32 a piece. Comparing that $32 to the current T05 price of $68 per sheet just goes to show how ludicrous BTY pricing is at the moment. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 7:00pm
Yet people who aren't at the point where its advantages manifest keep paying for it. At this point it's akin to buying a player jersey to play vicariously through the skill of others. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/24/2015 at 7:00pm
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yep (to slevin). |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 12:17pm
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So that means we will be able to buy BYT product in Japan again? ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 2:05pm
Yes, everyone else should please hurry up and switch to $32 MX-P, so Butterfly will be forced to reduce Tenergy prices, and I can keep buying it but for less. It's a collective action problem.
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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 2:06pm
you have a point but Xiom rubber (one of the many ESN rubbers) prices have been going down. right now Omega IV pro is 37$ on ttnpp and 34$ shipped from a further overseas website. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 12:34am
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So what we are seeing is that when USD is low, they raise their price in USA because of the exchange rate. That is understandable. Now the yen is low, and it is logical to think that they will lower the USD price to match. But hey, they raised their JPY price from 6k to 8k yen to level with USD pricing instead! Even price in Australia was AUD80 when AUD is on par with USD. And they never give discount over RRP unless they have made a mistake. I must say they are running one of the most successful business in the world. Unless we start seeing players with rubbers other than Tenergy and DHS National (they are even more expensive and harder to get than Tenergy) winning tournaments, I am afraid the trend of Butterfly domination will never end.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 7:28am
Or, unless players, especially at non-professional levels, start realizing that their level of play is not negatively affected by using other, less expensive brands. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 7:43am
+1.
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Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 8:56am
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are you serious loopmeister, show me wich other brands that i have to pay $80us for a sheet of rubber.so where exactly are you buying these other sheets of rubber that cost $73, you need to do some research for better prices. tbike sells any two donic sheets on ths site for $75us.this seems to be saving you a lot more than $6-$7 per sheet as an example. |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 9:03am
loopmeister wasn't saying that it's up to that value. he's saying that they wouldn't be able to bring it up that high. they have to top out at some point because customers wouldn't pay that much. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 11:10am
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THANK MY GOD.... BTF rubber at 60$ would have got worn off, almost unplayable in a month or so, and the KOKUTAKU Tulpe for $5 proved to last for years. Never tnink I myself stupid or unskilled. KOKUTAKU suits my play only too well. I am a clever chooser. I am a clever player, Thank godness, I need no Butterfly. Likewise, do not I need those overpriced stuff by other brands. Above all am I a pasionate gamer, non stuff tester. I like playing so much. I love the orgasmic feel of physical exertion. Yes. |
Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 03/02/2015 at 7:56pm
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other than rubbers and blades you can order other butterfly equip from europe. dandoysports has butterfly clothing and shoes on sale up to half price off and more for some items. |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 03/02/2015 at 7:58pm
yes yes igor, you are too clever  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 03/03/2015 at 3:16am
Butterfly rubber, almost uplayable after a month??? ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: Timo1978
Date Posted: 03/03/2015 at 4:53am
You have to consider that Igorponger is always testing the stability of the new Polyballs Maybe that is the reason his Rubbers do not last that Long ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61541&title=feedback-timo1978" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 03/03/2015 at 5:54am
This^^ also the living in such cold environment's where the balls seem to break after a couple hits. That cold must make the rubber brittle too right? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow"> Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/03/2015 at 9:24am
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It makes something brittle, that's for sure. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 11:53am
After so called "price revision", TB ALC costs 16500-17300JPY (6000JPY more), JM SZLC almost 37000JPY, "new" coloured JM ZLC 25600JPY (10000JPY more) and sheet of Tenergy 7900-8200JPY (3000JPY more), without shipping of course. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |