Tenergy + Dianchi & Falco Boost.
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Topic: Tenergy + Dianchi & Falco Boost.
Posted By: aroonkl
Subject: Tenergy + Dianchi & Falco Boost.
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 4:44pm
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Tenergy + Dianchi or Falco. Which one do you suggest? Spin wise. |
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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 6:31pm
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Lol. If youre having a hard time generating spin with a superior rubber such as that, you need to spend time on technique. Not worrying about which glue or booster to use. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: Chopper88
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 10:20pm
| Use Falcons long , T05 sound sound like a woodpecker after 3 layer |
Posted By: Chopper88
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 10:23pm
| Asifgunz , you have no clue what level Aroonkl play at so let not talk about technique |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 11:00pm
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I don't need to know his level of play. Tenergy is a superior rubber by popular demand. If he needs booster or glue to get an effect out of an already superior rubber, I can definitely question his technique. That's the beauty of internet. He asked what we would suggest. I replied, better technique. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 11:05pm
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I could say, Dianchi is better than Falco Long, due to its thinner fluid. And, more important, Dianchi is stronger in term of effect, so you don't need a thick heavy layer like Falco, if bat weight is also crucial. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/14/2015 at 11:34pm
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http://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/355/ndm-2015---die-schlaeger-der-deutschen-stars/5 Look like these top Germany players have problem with their technique.  If you could not tell their rubbers are boosted, educate yourself. It is really beauty of the internet when one could comment on anything. But when you show off yourself with no clue what you are talking about. Kind of embarrassing. Don't you think. 
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asifgunz wrote:Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 12:21am
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My experience was that with booster you will get only speed out of it. Not spin. Totally uncontrollable tool. ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:04am
Dymax Maximizer! Rubber plays softer and spin increases. ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: RyKnocks
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:05am
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Boosting a tensored rubber would only kill the sheet in my opinion. The rubber is already formulated for tension and by boosting it, you'll be stretching it even more. You may get a period of extra speed, but after that I think the rubber will just die. You posted a link to bats used by professionals. While they might get some benefit out of it, they also have an endless supply of Tenergy that they can use at request. Not worth destroying a $70 piece of rubber that's already top of the class IMO. ------------- BTY Viscaria: FH Black Battle II / BH Red 802-40 2.0mm Galaxy W-6: FH: FH/BH Yinhe Big Dipper 38* |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:13am
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http://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/355/ndm-2015---die-schlaeger-der-deutschen-stars/5 made me look at those blades and rubbers, (I never looked at them all) but it did seem like the non tenergy rubbers were the most boosted, the other thing is what does pictures of high level players bats have relevance to anything? ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:24am
What booster did you try?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:34am
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I boosted my T05 with 2 layers of Falco Long and I am testing it tonight. It performed noticeably worse after 2 months and about 6 removals so I boosted it. It is true that boosting kills rubbers but if you train regularly like 15 hours a week, you will not get most out of any rubber than 3 months, boosted or unboosted. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:40am
 This is how Boosted Tenergy look like. Topic Tenergy + Dianchi & Falco boost Effect: ? Experience from other members: ? Relevance: To my skill and I don't do proper technique??? Relevance: To your understanding???
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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:53am
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Lol just because some German Pros* boost their rubbers, doesn't mean you have to as well. If the Pros jump off 10 story buildings, does it mean you will too ? You're not a German Pro*. and there's no way you play at their* level lmao. I wasn't showing off. I don't use tenergy because it spoils technique. You opened the discussion to everyone. Hence I put in my 2 cents. It's up to you whether or not you will go that route. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:58am
| boosting tenergy is like putting a loud 30 dollar ebay muffler on a 100 000 $ sports car, to make it go faster. You ruin your otherwise great rubber, you make it softer which is bad, you make the properties variable and deteriorating literally every day. And on top of that you lose control. I am sure some pros boost, but definitely not all, and most likely none of the best. Not for moral principles or legality, but just because its stupid. |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 2:23am
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All pros have probably tried boosting, whether Tenergy or other. A very few have tried boosting and never bothered after that. Some pros personally boost using about 5 different brands. Some use a light 1-layer boost. Some use a multi-layer application. Some have their rubbers prepared by professional boosters. Take your pick if you want to be like the pros. The advanced amateurs/semi-pro, (many of which play at same standard as pros) are probably 50/50 whether they boost or not. I suspect that most don't as the gain is too small to bother with the hassle and cost. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 2:34am
If you could not tell rational samples and you try. Or something stupid and you try/follow are different thing. Never mind.
If your technique is spoiled bc of Tenergy. It is really your tq is low.
I did not open laughable discussion as "Would I play like a Pro if I boost my Tenergy?" or " If I boost my Tenergy, my rating would go up 200+?" My topic is Tenergy + booster for members who could share experience. Please have 2 cents.
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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 2:58am
So you mean Pro players boost, equivilant to pro driver would put $30 on their $100000 cars.
Decade ago, we put speed glue on great rubbers like Sriver & Bryce (Bryce was initially announced as catapult effected and needed no glue.) They went softer after gluing which were bad???
Really? Name some please. Tops who are not boosting their rubbers. ( Joo with P1-Curl?)
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 3:16am
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Poor aroonkl, let the guy try boosting what he wants. Who cares if he's right or wrong. If he doesn't like it he will stop boosting it. This thread has been derailed. Let's try getting it back on track. I'm sorry aroonkl, I don't know which booster is best for you. Maybe some others can shed some more light to help you out. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 3:27am
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Falco and TRF works well on Tenergy, just one layer if the rubber is new. More layers and the rubber gets too soft and mushy. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 9:38am
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My technique has nothing to do with tenergy. I have tried it before. Its too easy to play with. Good luck. Looking forward to see you in the next German Open. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 10:10am
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As a regular T05 user (at night I even sleep on a pillowcase made out of Tenergy), I like to brush a layer of Falco on my older Tenergy rubbers with no life left or if they have shrunk from sitting in a baggie for too long. Tenergy topsheet is almost always good, but the sponge does wear out after a while. Booster can remedy this, albeit for a short time. Of course I don't put booster on a brand new Tenergy, but I can understand if people want to do that. But removing the glue from a blade that had a falco boosted rubber on it is harder because it becomes a little bit oily, so the glue doesn't roll up into those little balls. It smears a lot. ------------- 
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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 10:46am
Tenergy is too easy to play with. And as you mentioned it also spoils your technique. Cut the BS and get trained. LOL.
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Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 11:42am
I do the same thing. After about 3-4 month of play the T05 the sponge seems to loose its springyness and comes back to life with booster for another 4-6 weeks or so. I have done this several times with Falco booster and the rubber is good enough for practice but I would not want to use it in a tournament. It just feels different. I have now tried the same thing with Dymax Maximizer and the rubber feels much livelier and better than with Falco. I recently also booster a new T05 with Dymax (just one layer though) and it feels a little bit softer but I really liked the overall feel. It's closer to the odl speed glue feel compared to Falco. If you wanted to boost a new T05 (and do not like a softer feel too much) I would recommend to get a heavy sheet and then use Dymax. Apply only 1 layer initially and go from there. ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 12:05pm
Falco Long ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 5:38pm
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Once you boost your rubber it turns into another different one and there´s no way to go back even if you wait for the boost effect dissapear in a few weeks. IMO, any booster i have tried adds spin, just only around 15-20% more speed. Even if you overboost or make an uneven boosting job, every single ball will go down out just to the net. Boosters are fine but just only a thin layer on Euro rubbers. Chinese need even 2-3 layers. Everybody knows 100% pros boost their rubbers, if still really think that none of the best don´t boost, then you must be so naive or definitly you haven´t seen any pro-players playing close to you. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 10:12pm
If only you took your own advice regarding training; we would have one less thread. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: Chopper88
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 10:28pm
| Like you said if it's that easy to play with your "great" technique why didn't you stay with it ? I boost because I enjoy the feel and sound the T05 makes , and no an old guy like myself will never it to the German leagues , |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 11:02pm
The way you comment on Tenergy, easy to play with/spoil your technique/ Tenergy is too jumpy. And looked down my skills when I asked other to share experience with boost Tenergy. Kind of strange when you talk like a high level player preaching. Make me wonder if you make to 2000 or even 1800 yet.
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 11:21pm
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Aroonki if you spent a few seconds the read what all the helpful people who have answered your questions and then said thank you and talked to them rather than fight a winless argument with someone you don't know ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 11:50pm
I tried TRF long ago. The speed on touch game went up a lot. Very hard to control short game. Not good at all.  For Falco long, I boosted once on used half life T05 after dug it up from 5month storage. Rubber was slower than a new sheet. It was shrunk a lit too. After boosted, it played nice and came back to life. It was little softer than a new one. I liked it and it is still on my blade. I feel it increase in speed and spin. I don't feel loosing control much in short game either. As I loop, it actually feels better. The dwell time is longer and I feel the balls sink more. Overall I like it. I never tried heavy boosted like pics. (I will try soon on this old current sheet.) Never tried Dianchi on T05. I have a fresh T05 and now debating between put once test Falco or Dianchi. |
Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 1:25am
Really? Name some please. Tops who are not boosting their rubbers. ( Joo with P1-Curl?)
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Because this discussion was on another thread, i insist that the players who boost their tenergies are soooooo few!Ofc the most of members here, insisted that almost ALL boost their teenrgies, which i think not cause i know some pro players.But better to stop cause the same members will tell me that i dont know  ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 1:51am
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most tour de france riders boost themselves ,lets do it the thing is pro's boosting and you and I down the local club are Worlds apart ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 2:14am
Sorry Smackman and other members for the heat I got. The troll kinda throw me off. You are not Pro, so you are stupid to try to boost.... Your skill is flaw.... Mine is good.. I don't use Tenergy bc it is too easy... Ya Da Ya Da thing. Back to topic. The Pros boost. Spin and speed increase. It has drawback as speed increase , specially in table short game is harder to control. So they train for it. Some say rubber life is shorten. I would suggest other opinion, along with some members' stories above, mild boost bring rubber back from by-gone factory effect. (my old kept Tenergy was recovered to great playing condition. Gain xtra 2 months from by gone condition.) Thank you for sharing your experience (experiment  ). |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 2:40am
May be we should drop our BTY hi-tech blades and rubbers. Go Walmart and buy paddle with junk rubbers, play forever and change paddle once 5 years then.
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Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 3:43am
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I've only tried falco long booster on t05. Result was just fine. But I suspect the affect lasted a bit too short. On the other hand my friend boosted his acuda s1 turbo with both falco long booster and dianchi and he thinks dianchi lasted longer and the affect was a bit better. Ps: We both did just one layer . ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 7:42am
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I've boosted Tenergy with Falco Booster (and Long). If you boost T05 you will get a new rubber with:1. more speed 2. less spin 3. lower throw angle 4. less durability 5. more bouncy (worst short game) I don't recommend boosting Tenergy . If you want to boost buy a cheaper rubber, you will almost have the same result.
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 8:09am
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Tenergy 05 is only an all-round rubber which is very good in control. Pros need more speed on a high control rubber. That's why they boost. And they use TRF, not Falco, due to its speed effect. Just ask to see a T05 from a pro, no one could revive the old T05 from pros: the damage is not in the sponge, it is on the topsheet. Humble players like us use booster differently from pros. We try to recover the sponge or bring back the speed, to play a bit longer. In this way, Falco is more stable. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/16/2015 at 2:49pm
| I put 2 coats of Falco Long on current worn-out T64. It domes pretty good. I will try tonight with my reg friends if I could control in short game and block. |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 2:48am
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T64 with booster. Very very, uncontrollable. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 7:19am
I did not get these results when I used to play with T05 + normal Falco or TRF. What you described is result of overboosting, IMO. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 6:01pm
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I have tried my T05 with two layers of Falco Long. Although only two months old, its topsheet was already dead and I only removed the sheet and glued it back about 6 times. It lost its speed to and I had hoped to restore it.... it did not work out unfortunately. The topsheet still did not work. The benefits of boosting were that it was very fast. On the other side of my blade there is a brand new sheet of Joola Maxxx 500 and it was better in every area. The comparison is not fully fair because it is a brand new sheet versus a seemingly dead one. If the Tenergy had been new, it would have beaten the Joola in every way. Anyway, the huge benefit of boosting the T05 is that it becomes a little harder and absorbs incoming high speed balls better than anything else. It becomes very good for counterlooping, especially away from the table. But as the topsheet of mine is dead, nothing will help it any more and it is a huge disappointment in terms of durability. As for the booster effect, Falco Long is good if you do not overdo it but I think TRF would have a better effect on it, adding more control. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 6:40pm
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Trf was a nightmare. Tried it on Spinart and Tenergy. Big NO NO. I did not feel sponge went softer much. Speed in slow/medium stokes were lot faster, uncontrollable. At Hi-gear, I also did not like it, not good dwell time. The balls were just shooting out. For Tenergy, Falco works good for me. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 7:26pm
| A lot of this comes down to personal preference but I didnt like the effect of boosting new Tenergy and would never do it again. It totally destroyed margin for error on short game. Possibly I over boosted it. But it is too expensive to make a mistake. If you try it go easy with it. I used Revolution booster. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/26/2015 at 2:49pm
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I have just boosted lightly...a 1 year old sheet of 05FX with Falco long. I only did it because I had glued the rubber on and off about 4 times and used it little in the year. But after regluing it a few times from 1 to 2 layers and removing the glue layers a couple times...it shrunk a few mm's. So just to make it fit the blade closely enough, I left 2 light layers of my Tear Mender on it...then spread a fairly thin layer on it. Waited about 4-6 hours...and it reacted enough to dome the FX sponge more than enough....about 3mm wider than normal peremiter size. Then I took off the saturated glue layer and let the sponge breath and relax. 48 hours later the expansion has come back maybe half way or so. So it is close enough the small amount of expansion I wanted. Applied 2 light layers of TE on it again and 1 on the blade. I will see what happens over the course of the next month or so as to the sponge changing in anyway.....mushy or hard.....or if any loss of normal unboosted control is evident. The red T05fx on the other side is stock and never boosted. It did not seem to shrink as much as the black it seems. So I will also have a good comparison to sponge behavior after the falco wears off the black one in a month or more. Not sure if the normal T sponges react as much as the softer FX ones....but I was surprised to see how much it did react with a light layer through 2 layers of glue so quickly. ------------- |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 04/26/2015 at 5:36pm
What a joker you are! If Tenergy spoils technique, so do all modern tensors! ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |