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Topic: Hardest ESN rubber
Posted By: HowToPlayChineseLoop
Subject: Hardest ESN rubber
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 6:31am
Hello,
I want to find the hardest ESN rubber.
I've tried several chinese rubber (H3, H2, TG3), but it's not consistent, the quality changes from batch to batch.
I'm finding the hardest rubber with:
- Hardest sponge possible (should be > 50 degree in ESN hardness scale)
- Thin but not too soft top sheet (I've tried the new Cornilleau X51, but the topsheet is too soft for me)

Thank you,
In the ESN Scale, I found several rubber, with hardness about 50 degree.

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http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=1096" rel="nofollow">0001096a - REV. RASANT POWERGRIP 0001096ANDRO REV. RASANT POWERGRIP50 Oui 23.5 19.5 12.5 47.95 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=1096" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus
http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=1049" rel="nofollow">0001049a - REV. ROXON 500 PRO 0001049ANDRO REV. ROXON 500 PRO50 Oui 23.5 19 12.5 41.95 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=1049" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus
http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=731" rel="nofollow">0000731a - REV. BLUEFIRE M1 TURBO 0000731DONICREV. BLUEFIRE M1 TURBO50 oui 23.5 19.5 12.5 48.90 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=731" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus
http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=682" rel="nofollow">0000682a - REV. MAXXX 500 0000682JOOLA REV. MAXXX 50050 Oui 23.5 19 12.5 43.90 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=682" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus
http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=437" rel="nofollow">0000437a - REV. CALIBRA LT PLUS 0000437STIGA REV. CALIBRA LT PLUS50 Oui 23 19 12.5 46.90 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=437" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus
http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=336" rel="nofollow">0000336a - REV. MARK V HPS 0000336YASAKA REV. MARK V HPS50 Oui 22 18 13 48.90 http://www.wacksport.fr/catalogue/?todo=aff_items&grp=336" rel="nofollow">en savoir plus


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Replies:
Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 6:58am
You should try Bty spin art


Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 7:20am
Xiom Tau

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 7:44am
Tau or Thor or China.

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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 8:40am
Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Xiom Tau
+1.


Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 8:44am
Victas VS>401 57.5°±3, Palio Thors 52-55°.


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Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 9:49am
Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

You should try Bty spin art

That's not ESN!

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Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

You should try Bty spin art

That's not ESN!

You are right, another factory, different name (high tension), same story :)


Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 6:19pm
Sponge hardness list posted on OOAK:
http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24689" rel="nofollow - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24689

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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 05/26/2015 at 6:22pm
As several have said; Xiom Tau by a mile.


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Posted By: melaal
Date Posted: 05/27/2015 at 2:07am
 BLUEFIRE M1 TURBO Thumbs Up


Posted By: HowToPlayChineseLoop
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 7:01am
Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Sponge hardness list posted on OOAK:
http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24689" rel="nofollow - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24689


this list is outdated.
Correct me if I'm wrong. This is the list based on your proposition.

1. Victas VS-402  (57 degree)
2. Tau (54 degree)
3. Thors (53 degree)
4. Cornilleau X51 (51 degree)
5. Cornilleau U50 (50 degree)
6. Rasant Power (50 degree)
7. Roxon 500 (50 degree)
8. BlueFireM1 (50 degree)
9. Joola Maxxx 50 (50 degree)
10. Calibra LT (50)
11. Mark V HPS (50)


but this is just the sponge hardness. the topsheet is important too.
I dont like the soft topsheet, I really want to find a thin, hard topsheet.
I'm using Cornilleau U50, which I really like it. But I want to find something with harder sponge, and may be same top sheet. The ProGT X51, the sponge is harder, but the topsheet is softer.
May be, I will try the hardest in the scale: Victas or Thors or Tau ....



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