TTNPP has Kailin Oil now
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Topic: TTNPP has Kailin Oil now
Posted By: schen
Subject: TTNPP has Kailin Oil now
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 4:17pm
http://ttnpp.com/store/booster/839-kailin-oil-booster--34.html" rel="nofollow - http://ttnpp.com/store/booster/839-kailin-oil-booster--34.html  I get a lot of messages asking me about Kailin Oil since it is not a very well known booster, but the good news is that TTNPP has started to carry it! Previously you could only get it from China, but the catch is that you cannot export liquids from China directly to the US. I got mine earlier from a taobao agent in Singapore who was willing to take the customs risk of shipping it to the US, but it was a very unreliable and unresponsive agent. Kailin Oil is what a handful of the higher level players in the US use (Liang Jishan, Zhang Kai, among others), and is known/popular among Chinese provincial players who don't have access to Haifu Oil (not seamoon). In comparison to the other popular Chinese boosters Dianchi and Seamoon, Kailin is somewhere in the middle. It can be applied over glue or directly to the sponge. It softens the rubber more than Seamoon and gives a LOT more power than Dianchi. It also does well on Tenergy/porous type rubbers which is what I currently use it for (I no longer use it on my FH because I like the firmness of chinese rubbers that Seamoon preserves). Its effect also lasts longer than both Dianchi and Seamoon (which is about 3-4 weeks for me). In comparison to the other booster I've used, Falco Tempo Long, Kailin softens the sponge slightly more and gives a much clearer/crisper feel to the rubber. FTL lasts longer but does not quite give the same amount of liveliness as Kailin. When using Kailin on Hurricane/Skyline, I usually apply 4-6 layers. On Tenergy, 2-3 layers is enough. If anyone else has any other questions about the Booster, please feel free to ask! ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 4:32pm
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schen, is the Kalin oil thick like Seamoon and FTL ? I ordered The Kalin oil this morning, I hope I like it as much or more than Seamoon or FTL. ------------- Shifter |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 5:20pm
Schen....sssssshhhhhhhh!!!....Dam it..Now everbody is going to buy it...Get em while its hot... ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 6:29pm
and reasonably priced too!  ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 8:30pm
It's thicker than dianchi, thinner than FTL and a lot thinner than seamoon. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Roger Stillabower wrote:Posted By: Argothman
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 10:24pm
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Schen, I read a post somewhere about how Kailin would make forehand rubbers to thick, and how provincial players would use Dianchi on the H3 and Kailin on the backhand (tenergy). Is there any truth to this? Also, our very own MLFan gave me some great information about boosters. He said that the Shanghai team uses Kailin oil only, while the Beijing team uses Dianchi because it allows them to 'eat' the ball more because it's softer.
Other than that I'm incredibly excited to try it, it seems like the godsend of boosters - dries fast, good effect, etc. Have you switched back to Seamoon on the forehand? From personal experience I can attest that it maintains much of the firmness, but how does the speed compare? I haven't used any other high-end boosters. You should make a table with speed/spin/hardness ratings for each of the three main boosters (Dianchi, Seamoon, Kailin) to clear up confusion! |
Posted By: Argothman
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 10:27pm
I suspect that most of the boosters are fundamentally the same, and additives/concentrations are what determine the effect. For example, Dianchi being the thinnest and Seamoon being the thickest makes sense - Seamoon retains the most hardness of the rubber, while Dianchi retains the least.
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 10:51pm
I've read that thread on the 1oak forum from leatherback's account of training in China. Every booster has the potential for making the rubber too thick - it is simply a matter of how many layers you use. 4 layers works well enough for me, and I have the same tools used by USATT/ITTF for testing thickness/flatness. If I have any problems, it is usually from accidentally using too much glue or using a blade that is not flat (yes this happens) which will skew the thickness measurements. And yes I have switched back to Seamoon for the FH while keeping Kailin for my BH. If I were to rank the effects of the boosters I've used, it would be: Softening Effect: Dianchi > Kailin > FTL > Seamoon Speed Effect: Seamoon = Kailin > FTL > Dianchi Spin Increase (low gear): Kailin = Dianchi > FTL > Seamoon Spin Increase (high gear): Seamoon > Kailin = FTL > Dianchi Drying Time (fastest to slowest): Kailin --> Dianchi --> Seamoon --> FTL Longevity: FTL > Kailin > Seamoon > Dianchi Feel (personal preference): Dianchi = Kailin > Seamoon > FTL edit: I'd also like to add (although it might be in my head): Arc Height on Loops: Seamoon > Dianchi > FTL > Kailin I noticed that Kailin makes it incredibly easy to loop-drive the ball in a very low arc. Noticeably lower than the other boosters.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/10/2015 at 11:37pm
Let it go! No one is going to beat you largely because they boost... Now where's my credit card... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 07/11/2015 at 12:43am
lol. I don't have any heartache with people using it. These products just seem over the top in the price they command. But have at it!  ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 07/11/2015 at 2:07am
lmfao. know numerous beijing players and first heard about them using kai ling back in 2012
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 10:00am
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Hi SChen, how many sheets of H3 do you kill for a month honestly? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 11:09am
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I wouldn't call them over the top for price. Considering how many uses you get out of them, a bottle lasts so long it's ridiculous. I've had the same bottle of seamoon for two years now, and I've still got a good amount left. I'm more worried about it being old than I am about running out. I might try some kailin, might not. Idk. Seamoon is the best bang for buck. Thing is, you can be camp kailin, camp dianchi etc.. but all three kinds are used by very high level players for H3, and they all three work extremely well. So if you're into boosting, you really can't go wrong with any of them. It's whatever you like best, or whatever you buy first.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 11:10am
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schen: how do you manage the downtime (when rubber is off the blade for boosting)? Do you have 2 rubbers (so you boost 1 and put the other on the blade during that time)? How much is that downtime with kailin? With FTL it can be as much as 7 days. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Machine_Head
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 12:08pm
| How does kailin compare to PO? |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 2:14pm
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Usually I go through about 1 sheet every month with one boost at the beginning, and one half way through the month. It depends how often you play though. For downtime - Kailin dries very quickly. When I reboost, it only takes about 2 layers to get going again, and both layers can be done the same day. Usually once after I get back from practice/playing, and once the same evening before I go to bed. The oil dries quickly enough and it is ready to glue in the morning! Kailin, Seamoon, Dianchi, and FTL are in a completely different higher league than PO. There is no comparison really. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 9:03pm
Hi SChen. Could you compare Kailin, Seamoon, Dianchi, and FTL in term of rubber life span? You have only one time re-boost it and is there no way to recover it at all? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Argothman
Date Posted: 07/12/2015 at 11:30pm
If you're not boosting too heavily you don't have to worry that much. I reboosted a ~1.5 year old H3 and it played just fine. Hurricane is an incredbily durable rubber so long as you don't push it too far. You can reboost it many times. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/13/2015 at 12:06am
Hi. You couldn't say "just fine" when you throw your self in an important match and suddenly your consistent FH topspin drop to the net without any reason. I can give away my old unusable H3 to friends and they still use it for a month after, but I've never trust that rubber. A month for a NT H3 is a way to burn money. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 07/13/2015 at 6:21am
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that's why I don't use national H3. I get a good price for h3 prov and it works well enough for me. Commerical tg2 is even cheaper, and I can go through 4 sheets of that in 4 months and still have it be cheaper than a single sheet of tenergy. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/13/2015 at 4:27pm
Curious, what are they and where do you get them? Do I have to mortgage / sell my house, cars, boat & vacation homes to be able to afford them?
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Posted By: jimmyso
Date Posted: 07/13/2015 at 5:45pm
Hi Schen, how can your boosted H3 Prov (non neo) last one month without some pimples of the topsheet detaching from the sponge in the sweetspot? Especially when doing hard/fast topspin practice against block or topspin (at and off the table) I'll notice some pimples detaching after some training sessions (4-5) The H3neos are even worse, they detach without boosting...I tried 4 or 5 H3N and 3 H3prov. I'm now using H3 nat white package (+ 2 layers FTL on 2 layers of glue) and the glue bond is much stronger between topsheet and sponge than H3 neo and H3 prov, it' ll last up to 10-15 sessions without bubbleing. So, the limiting factor for durability is NOT the topsheet wear, it's the resilience of the bond between the topsheet and sponge. Has anybody similiar problems? |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/13/2015 at 8:11pm
Yes I have. And my solution is similar to SChen: using commercial DHS and control the booster. You will not make bubbles on the top-sheet if you use the harder DHS rubber, such as D41 or D42 without boosting. It's seem ridiculous but you could definitely find the middle way to balance between speed and consistency. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 2:09am
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You should definitely not use 41/42 degree H3s lol... Provincial players use 39 and CNT mainly use 40. Main players use 41. The higher the degree, the better the player you have to be to hit through such a hard songs and maintain accuracy. Prov rubbers rarely bubble for me, and they shouldn't even bubble that often if you get proper provincial H3s. The provincial players change a sheet once a week, but obviously nobody here trains that much. Maybe you can look into the source of your H3s :) |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 6:37am
You have got to be kidding me! Pros play 1 entire Pro Tour tournament without changing sheets and you can bubble a H3 Nat in 14-15 sessions? The common reason for bubbling is the booster being absorbed in the sponge too quickly and the solution is to add a thin layer of glue between boosts (which you can remove after boosting). |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 8:58am
You said DHS has never released provincial or National version or H3, so why do you and many people here still could buy them? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: jimmyso
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 9:04am
First, I apply 2 layers of glue and then I start to boost 2 layers of FTL. 3 days between the layers. I let it sit until the rubber is almost flat again...takes about 2-3 weeks. And the glue to blade. I doubt that they play one tournament without changing. In daily training they wear down a sheet in one week (euro+jap rubbers). And for pros it doesn't matter if a rubber bubbles, because the have almost unlimited supply of good rubbers. Somewhere I read that the good chinese guys have supply for one rubber per day in average. Actually, you don't get the high quality rubbers in a shop. I use the H3 non-neo "nat=best commercial quality" (white package) 39, because the consistency in sponge and topsheet ist very good and quality of the bond is sufficient. I bubbled almost every rubber commercially available in shops except for Tenergy. The only pro rubbers available for me are from ESN...but the performance for me is not so good as good selected commercial Tenergy. And durability for Tenergy is better.(10-15 sessions for Tenergy 05) Probably i should try Spinart...butterfly's glue bond between topsheet and sponge was always better that the other companies. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 9:09am
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Jimmyso is on CNT... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 07/15/2015 at 9:13am
you throw money to the window... The problem is FTL. Change the booster, choose harder rubber. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 2:54am
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wow,$60 for 250ML is $$$$ ------------- DHS 032 Butterfly Bryce Highspeed Singapore & Canada |
Posted By: panany
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 5:25am
| but this shop is shit same always ... i buy 5 days ago and they dont send ... |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 11:33am
ttnpp is good and bad. There inventory is quite vast and you finde items other online retailers dont carry. You do have to be careful of authenticity when it comes to DHS rubbers and so called claimed National rubbers. Another bad is they dont update there inventory levels all the time. I ordered some Nittaku premium 40+ poly balls and Kailin Booster last week on Friday 7/10 and the shipment reached USPS sorting station in NYC Tuesday 7/14. Now it will take another couple more days to clear customs before it reaches my hands. So i got lucky on this order. As recommended by Nextel for ttnpp, you have to live with the good and bad of ttnpp. Cant wait for the Kailin booster oil and nittaku premium balls. Like a kid waiting for Christmas Day.  ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: Machine_Head
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 12:07pm
| 42,which rubber are you going to use your Kailin on? |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 12:12pm
I presently use 2 to 3 thin layer of Haifu Seamoon on my fh H3 Neo and 1 layer on my bh shortpips. I will use the Kailin oil probably the same way. ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: Machine_Head
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 12:42pm
| Looking forward to your feedback. :) |
Posted By: panany
Date Posted: 07/17/2015 at 5:56am
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he send me today :) i want try quick... i have blade from fang bo i just wait kailin oil for try with my h3 50 :)
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Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 07/17/2015 at 12:49pm
Break out the champagne because my order came in today! ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: Argothman
Date Posted: 07/17/2015 at 5:44pm
| Very nice! Be sure to make a good report for the rest of us to enjoy vicariously! A comparison with seamoon would be awesome. |
Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 1:35pm
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mine finally arrived in 10 days. How to use it? ------------- DHS 032 Butterfly Bryce Highspeed Singapore & Canada |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:02pm
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Here is what most people recommend. 1st layer-Water Based Glue - Let the glue dry before applying booster. Apply 2-3 layers of Booster Oil(2-3 for H3 rubbers, tensors only need 1 layer)- Please always let each layer of booster oil dry before applying the next layer of booster oil. Depending on brand and how much booster you apply, the drying time can be a couple of hours to 1 full day before each layer of booster oil dries. I always recommend to apply booster oil as thin as possible. Over Boosting can destroy your very expensive rubber. Last layer-Apply Water Based Glue and attach to your blade. (Of course you need to apply glue to your blade too...lol) Trying and experimenting is always fun...most of the time.  ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:12pm
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Actually, if you use glue first on your rubber, there's no need to use glue again on your rubber |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:27pm
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I personnally prefer the Kailin booster over Seamoon. Kailin is thinner and easier to apply than Seamoon. Seamoon is stronger and will expand the sponge more than Kailin. Kailin is not weak, just a little different. Kailin does expand/soften your rubbers and retains some of the sponge original attributes while still giving a kick/catapult to your rubbers. H3 is originally a very hard sponged rubber and you still want to retain some of the hardness, this is my preference. It also dries quicker and you can be up and running within a day or two if you dont want to let the rubbers fully uncurl. Your mileage may vary depending on layers of booster you apply. I prefer applying about 3 very thin layers to my H3 neo 2.15. My 2 cents added. ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:44pm
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thanks a lot for the information. ------------- DHS 032 Butterfly Bryce Highspeed Singapore & Canada |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:58pm
Welcome to the dark side....lol ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:58pm
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Apply it directly to the sponge. Minimize the risk of making the sponge too thick and therefore illegal if checked. I would always remove the previous glue layer before regluing/reboosting. Otherwise the rubber will not be flat. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 11:11pm
Great advice...i have learned many things from Schen...Thank You almighty booster god... ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 12:06am
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Guys, Anyone can compare Kailin vs Revolution Xtreme Booster? Or Xtreme vs FTL? Here is the link: http://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=xtreme-booster" rel="nofollow - https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=xtreme-booster I tried it on some classic rubbers and to be honest with you I was not that impressed...
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Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 2:18am
Interesting. When I was in China, a coach tried to save my dying Tenergy 05 by using Dianchi. (And he was a true expert.) But I hated its effect. To me, Dianchi simply doesn't work on (and IMHO ruins) Tenergy 05. If Kailin Oil works on old Tenergy 05 and restores it to original performance, it'd help extend life and save people money.
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Posted By: HappySpinner
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 1:27pm
Hi schen, are you talking about neo or non-neo commercial tg2? |
Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 2:01pm
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 12:59am
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Yes, I am talking about NEO, although non-NEO can be boosted with great effect too! ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: HappySpinner
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 12:02am
| Thanks much MLfan and Schen for answering! |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 2:10pm
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Just a user report. I ordered the Kailin booster from TTNPP 8/23. It shipped on 8/24. It was delivered on 8/31. Very timely. I play booster free but I figured it was a worth a try to try to resurrect a worn and dying Tenergy 05 in the interests of saving money. And if it worked, it's worth going to boosting to give the rubber second legs. (I mentioned in an earlier post a pro in China, who is an expert booster, used Dianchi to try to save me another time I had a dying Tenergy 05. But I hated the results.) As an experiment, I tested Kailin on both sides of the paddle. Forehand side: worn Tenergy 05. Backhand side: half worn Tenergy 05 FX. ("Worn" here means that the topsheet is worn to the degree that all pips underneath are large and prominently showing.) Methodology: applied a very thin layer of Kailin to both sheets. I did not remove the pre-existing WB glue (Nittaku Finezip is what I use). Waited 12 hours. It barely changed from flat. Applied a 2nd thin layer of Kailin to both sides in the morning before I left for work. When I got back - 12 hours later - both sheets were curled. Since a practice partner had already arrived, I applied glue to the blade only and stuck the two sheets on. (They were sticky anyway.) Obviously I should have waited another 12 hours at least for them to flatten out but I was pressed for time. A bit surprised, but they stuck fine (no curl-up). Results surprised me. 1. My wrist could seriously feel the weight difference. 2. On the forehand, it sucked. It didn't play nice at all. It was not progressive. On counter looping rallies, it either (over)grabbed the ball or didn't grab it well at all. It also had a fast, slightly dead feel on pushes. Nothing like the absolute reliability of a brand-new sheet of T05. 3. After drilling with the forehand, I expected worse on the backhand. BUT on the backhand, it was wonderful. This was a surprise because FX sponge is even softer. One possible explanation is that: (1) the backhand T05FX topsheet is still not worn, and (2) I use the wrist a lot on the backhand with a much smaller forearm-oriented stroke (than compared to the forehand). I had substantially improved control on the backhand. Conclusion: My practice partner (who is a permanent booster) indicated that I should toss the T05 forehand sheet. And put on a brand new sheet because it is really dead. But keep the boosted T05FX on the backhand. And he indicated, it should play its best in about a week. Another observation from the practice partner was that my Rosewood V is a bit too soft to be compatible with boosting. In his experience, it works better in conjunction with a slightly harder blade like an Ebenholz. |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 3:26pm
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hm... that's the first time I hear rosewood is too soft... i would think because the rosewood is considered as a hard wood, pairing with a soften tenergy will either make you feel hitting thru the sponge to the wood directly if you hit it hard, or if you hit it light, you'll feel it's too mushy. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 3:28pm
I think most Chinese Boosters mainly soften and expand the sponge on the applied rubber. Once the sponge expands, therefore tensing the rubbers topsheet as well. Once a topsheet is dead, it is dead. No matter how much boosting you do, you cannot bring back the life of a topsheet. There is no miracle booster for worn out topsheets...at least i have not found it yet. In my short experience with boosters, tensing the topsheet shortens the life of the rubber. Example: My DHS H3 Neo after boosting has worn off and has shrunk back to normal size...Then it has become like my own special version of Anti. So boosting old worn out rubbers wont make it play better. Boosting new or semi worn sheets should be fine. Also new Euro or Japanese tensor rubbers are heavily tuned/boosted from the factory and does not need boosting until some of the in factory tuning has worn off. I think most most Boosters are meant for users who want to soften there Chinese branded hard sponged rubbers or players looking to soften there existing sponges for specific reasons(ie pips/pimple players) ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: sandiway
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 3:42pm
According to the practice partner, his Ebenholz faster than his Emerald VPS faster than his Infinity VPS faster than my Rosewood V. I didn't feel the T05 bottoming out. It felt a bit dead but it was fast. Maybe because the topsheet got stretched when the sponge got stretched, and thus it rebounded faster. Then because the topsheet is worn, the consistency goes to hell. I'm not sure what's exactly going to happen on a loop and I can't predict the effect well. Perhaps not surprising at all. But as I said, the surprising thing is that the backhand plays really well even with FX sponge.
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Date Posted: 05/31/2017 at 9:02pm
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Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 6:26am
How's this even remotely relevant to TT?? Go post the same nonsense on one of Russian-speaking boards.. you would get banned for life |
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Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 10:15am
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Posted By: al_111
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 3:29pm
| Somebody call an ambulance... |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 3:40pm
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hehe that was good! ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 3:44pm
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Sometimes you just have to wonder if Igorponger is in his own little world and his world only has Table Tennis conspiracies. You just have to ignor it or just read it for a laugh. ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 6:13pm
The path (and the court) of the righteous player is beset on all sides by the proper barriers and the tyranny of evil inconsistent umpires.
Blessed is he, who in the name of victory and beautiful game shepherds the ball over the dark blue table (preferably not Butterfly brand, of course), for he truly is encouraged by our cheers ... as well as cheers of our hopelessly (or is it hopefully?) lost (to our common addiction) children
And I will strike down thine ball with great venegance and furious anger against those who would attempt to defeat me with their poisonous serves and tricky spins... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 7:06pm
| Igor here is a pro tip. Remember that you have a long history here and it is NOT entirely positive. So no more biblical posts. Now if you wish to give up meaningless pursuits in favor of religion then perhaps posting on ping pong forums ranks is something you should stop for the sake of your immortal soul. |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 7:13pm
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holy sh/t
I should say anyone who copies and pastes a half page of rubbish is worse haha ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 11:49pm
igor is an ufo expert |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 11/17/2017 at 10:57pm
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Schen, have you used Haifu yellow, black, brown oil? how does it compared to Kailin? I would like to boost H3 national orange sponge 37 deg for backhand, wonder which booster suitable. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 11/18/2017 at 2:07am
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I've only used the black oil out of the ones you mentioned in addition to kailin. I find that Kailin softens the sponge too much and drops the throw angle of the rubber. I was actually experimenting with provincial 37d for the backhand today using the black oil. I found that black oil in general produces a dull feel and response, but helps to create noticeably more spin compared to most other boosters. I would recommend using that or even regular seamoon on your rubber, as 37d is already quite soft and seamoon doesnt soften the sponge much further (kailin turned my chinese rubbers' sponge to mush)! Seamoon also produces a noticeably faster ball than black oil or kailin in my opinion, so it would come down to preference of how fast you like your backhand. I hope this helps! ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 11/18/2017 at 4:44am
Thanks for your quick reply Schen :) Probably the black oil is for harder sponge for forehand. The haifu yellow oil has better feel, not sure about brown oil. My friend use dianchi for 37 deg, he wait for 1 week so that the rubber become flat, he is satisfied with dianchi though. Ok I will try seamoon then, thx for your advise. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |