The tenergy i felt is way more spinny and i felt really overwhelmed by the number of loops and counter loops that went in, its almost like magic

I now feel there isn't a lot of truth to MX-P being a tenergy 05 replacement

I might be wrong but anyone else feel the same way?

Evolution series are more spiny than the tenergies

+1 

That's it

Perhaps this is why you feel like T05 has more spin in general. For me it feels like tenergy has more spin, but not by much. The general kick from the spring sponge gives you that feeling that the ball has so much spin

EL-P is a different animal and is not as spinny as MX-P, though it is a very good rubber with lots of control and spin.

And as NextLevel said, the margin for error is higher, i was able to make some of the shots that i usually don't make with MX-P (mostly counterlooping my practice partner's spinny loops during games)

Also it definitely feels like it grabs and holds on to the ball longer than any other ESN rubber, I m sure its just a perception, given how small the actual dwell times are (in the order of milli seconds).

The whole thing about how supposedly short dwell time is leads to bad conclusions, especially by people who can't play TT.  The perception is pretty important for a serious TT player and many TT tricks/strokes revolve around trying to increase dwell time in a variety of ways.

In any case, enjoy the marvels of T05. I wish I had the touch to use it,

The whole thing about how supposedly short dwell time is leads to bad conclusions, especially by people who can't play TT.  The perception is pretty important for a serious TT player and many TT tricks/strokes revolve around trying to increase dwell time in a variety of ways.

In any case, enjoy the marvels of T05. I wish I had the touch to use it,

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/rubbers/7526-evolution-mx-p#viewreviews

Sorry I didn't weigh but I would suggest MX-P is likely a few grams heavier (though maybe just a couple). It is not what I would call a very heavy rubber, but two sheets of max MX-P on a 90g standard sized blade I think will be on the slightly heavy side (but for many manageable).

I didn't experience that, but I will focus on comparing that again.

I feel the same, that T05 is way mushier and feels much easier to control

Topsheet of MX-P has pips structure more sparse than T05.  Pips appear very slightly smaller diameter with MX-P but this looks marginal, gaps are noticeably larger.  Topsheet thickness  (not including pips) is higher with MX-P (and looks to be the main reason for the slightly higher overall density and weight).  Sponge is much more aerated with MX-P (to the extent where you could imagine a degree of inconsistency at different locations could result in play).  

I am not suggesting anything about topsheet alone, rather the rubber as a whole.  Anyway "ease" of stretch does not imply higher elasticity (meaning a small stretch for the same force could return all the energy perfectly elastically), and thus spin is not dependent on this (steel for example would deform only a small amount with large force and still behave elastically).

Okay.  I just find it hard to believe that anyone would say T05 feels harder than MX-P.  But we all play a different game, I guess.

Darker (sponge) is MX-P 2.1-2.2, lighter is Tenergy 05 2.1.  Apologies for non-lab conditions noddy photography.  I tried to align as best I could, and apply force with a ball from both orientations.

Will see what I can rig up.  But from what I saw and felt the sponge is softer with MX-P, the rubber topsheet is thicker with MX-P (I hope that is clear from the photos), the pips are more spread out (should also be clear) with MX-P, and the result overall it seems to me is that T05 is slightly firmer with the force I applied on the ball.

I think, it is that "feels harder" bit that is so open to people's senses and perception.  It will probably be different at different impact forces, and the "feel" as player perceives it when playing a stroke is going to be affected by the weight of the bat, the sound made, the age of the rubber as it starts to change (or booster wears off if applicable), and perhaps what the person has become atuned to thinking the "vibrational feel" of a hard versus soft setup feels like.  It really is difficult to be sure we all mean the same thing when we say it feels harder/softer/mushier etc.  from playing experience.  

Just like people keep saying the poly ball feels heavier, when probably what they experience is a higher peak force due to the poly ball being harder (which I am pretty sure it is), and weight differences probably are not being felt.  When people try to agree on comparison of colours for example we often see the same (eg this colour is more green, than blue, or it is more green than some other colour that has some green component etc).

When there is not so much difference between two rubbers' feel but they vary in different areas of play I think these loose terms can become uniquely evaluated by each person.

Yes, but when 99 out of 100 people (in all TT forums) say that MX-P feels harder than T05, one tends to listen... :)

There are outliers: these rubbers come in ranges of hardness levels. But I'll say that the likelihood of coming up with a T05 that is harder than a MX-P is small.

It does seem that a lot of people are saying MX-P feels harder (not sure about 99%) but I have not looked.  I would say I feel like it is harder for touch play, softer for power play, and pretty similar some where in between, and that would suggest an overall softer topsheet with T05, but T05 having a harder sponge.  If 99% are saying it is harder, period, then I will just have to stay a minority with my experience of the sheets I have compared, but given that I am not really sure how I feel something is soft or hard I don't even value my own opinion that much :-) 

MXP is durable, I get my money worth for months and it show minor edge chip away only. 

For the same duration I think I'd be in a 2nd T05. (thats $150 - $50 = a benji saved) 

If anyone actually tried to pull the T05 for elasticity, good luck, it will snap. 

MXP required 3x the force to snap, and ONLY the sponge snaps. topsheet intact.

Better Japanese technology.

T05 has better glue between the topsheet/sponge. 

MXP doesnt have the same top quality.

Judging 1 top on another, the pip structures show T05 has more sparse pips than MXP.

I just tried a garaydia zlc with T05 on both side, it feel OFF- compared to the OFF+ Axelo with MXP.

However, I didnt ask what glue the garaydia owner used it, (possibly water because he didnt even put handle grips on all his blades). I used 5 layers of rubber cement. (i over did it, i know).

how many days a week and how long a day did you play to last 2.5 months?

Only twice the forehand means you like new rubber.

sorry, but i did not get your logic

It still does not seem to me the sponge is softer with T05 eg after separating from topsheet (but there is not a huge difference and I don't have any kind of force gauge nor any other rigorous measurement to back that up).  Sponge is very slightly thicker on the T05 despite being supposedly if anything thinner than the MX-P's possible 2.2.

The pips are slightly larger with T05 and the space between smaller, and certainly overall more dense pips surface area.

T05 is much more difficult to separate the sponge from suggesting the glue is indeed stronger but it it could be due to the slightly larger pips giving a stronger bond too. 

I wipe with a sponge using water before each time i go out to play

Yeah i don't exactly time them to be replaced twice, but this has been my observation, my backhand rubber always lasts longer and i can't twiddle cause i don't use the same rubber, atleast back in the day i had 2 mark Vs(like everyone else lol) and i would turn the bat around after the forehand rubber started declining.

Ahh I see, I guess twiddling would be a good idea, might be a bit OCD though 

Unfortunate that you are using different rubbers on both sides so you can't twiddle...

Water is good enough for that.  Rubber cleaners are for deep dirt situations.

I certainly find for most of my shots (which rarely bottom out due to me playing a more slower spin oriented style) that T05 'feels' harder whatever that means. 

What we could do with which might not be too difficult to test is probably around 4 static hardness measures for the rubber as a whole (topsheet+sponge)  If I was to estimate I would say something like 1kg, 5kg, 10kg, 20kg (on top of a single ball) equivalents would give a real picture of hardness including the bottoming out scenario.  These numbers are based on acceleration estimates with a contact (dwell) time range estimate of 0.5-1.5ms. Using a hardball (eg 40mm steel ballbearing) you could measure the diameter of contact with some powder on the ball leaving some on the rubber, and/or measure the deflection.  This would give an idea of feel for non-spin oriented shots at 4 different speeds, but NOT any spin oriented shots.

+1. The JP02 is also quite low throw (because of its softer topsheet).

A shout-out to the Donic Acuda Blue P2. Small-pored 45 deg rubber. Due to it's soft topsheet, it feels super soft when you hold the sheet in your hand. But, unlike Rasant Grip and the EL-P, it won't bottom out as quickly on the harder strokes.

Donic is very close - just match that sponge with a slightly harder topsheet (perhaps one like the Xiom Omega V Europe) and you're there.