Looking for Chinese rubber substitute
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Topic: Looking for Chinese rubber substitute
Posted By: el_bichito
Subject: Looking for Chinese rubber substitute
Date Posted: 10/08/2016 at 10:20pm
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I have a question for those who use Chinese rubbers i wont be using booster , which Chinese Rubbers would you recommend as a substitute for Butterfly tenergy or tibhar evolution series, I would not expect these to last long, but if they are cheap, i can replace them often enough. Also if there are any other rubbers people would recommend. that are reasonably priced, or tensor rubbers from China. any help would be appreciated. ------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS BH: Rakza 7 Max FH: Rakza 7 Max |
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Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 10/08/2016 at 10:58pm
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Long story short, there are no Chinese substitutes for tenergy or tensor rubbers with or without boosting. ------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/08/2016 at 11:00pm
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Authentic National Hurricane 3. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 10/08/2016 at 11:33pm
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did people forget about vega china? -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: Alwin
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 2:50am
What characteristics are you trying to substitute, feeling, speed, spin, hardness, etc? In terms of cheap DHS rubbers you could try TG3 Neo or H3 Neo on a composite blade (which is what I do to compensate for not boosting). It won't be the same feeling or stroke as Tenergy but with good technique you can get as much speed and speed. If you're willing to spend more there is the Tin Arc series and Gold Arc from DHS but I haven't tried them so can't comment. BUT they are almost as expensive as modern tensor rubbers so I don't really see the point... Another option could be LKT Red Diamond or maybe Yinhe Red Diamond. I think Yinhe Moon (or was it Moon speed) was supposed to be a Tenergy 05 clone, but I haven't used it so can't comment. You can use the search function to look for reviews of these on the forum btw  ------------- T05H | HL5 | TG3-60 |
el_bichito wrote:Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 3:19am
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I have always liked Tensors and Euro Japanese type of rubbers and I never really liked Chinese such as H3, Tg2, the 729s. One exception is Moon by Yinhee which I rather like and was pretty good. Has good spin, decent speed and good control. I played it both sides FH and BH. It is medium soft unlike other Chinese rubbers that felt like bricks. Reasonable price. ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 3:28am
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If I'm on a budget and can't afford a Tensor, then I'd go for Yinhee Moon. Some consider it as a Tenergy 05 alternative which I don't think so. One thing going for it is that it is so easy to generate offense like opening loops on underspins and it is not as sensitive to incoming spin as a T05. Speed and spin is a notch lower than T05, control is better but just as fun to play with. Coming from a tensor, I would say that it is plug-and-play, not to much adjustment needed. Hope this helps. ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 9:31am
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In my pervious life I've tried a number of Chinese tensor/tenergy alternatives... have been disappointed in all of them. This was in speed glue and the early non-VOC era. Admittedly I've not tried all the new 'alternatives' in the last couple months that I've been back, but have played with a number of players rackets and non felt *that* good. The only one I felt was close is the Hurricane 3 on 37 degree #65 white sponge with booster. Actually to be fair I quite liked it, although a tad soft (I would probably like 38 more). ------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 10:43am
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Blitz (28u$) and Aeolus (30u$) are good Tensors from Palio. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: Soundoff88
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 11:47am
Try Moon Speed if there's a need for more speed. |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 12:36pm
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MXS? ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: GeroJerry
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 3:49pm
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Any one has tried these rubbers and what's the difference between them? DHS hurricane 3-50 soft and DHS TinArc 3
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Posted By: GeroJerry
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 3:54pm
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Anyone has tried these rubbers, DHS Hurricane 3-50 soft and DHS TinArc 3 And what's the difference between both of them?!
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Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/09/2016 at 5:46pm
| TA-3 is slow rubber for looping and spin. H3-50 is fast rubber for topspin wiry low arc flow, suits for attack. |
Posted By: GeroJerry
Date Posted: 10/10/2016 at 5:28pm
| So which will be better in BH? |
Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 10/10/2016 at 6:51pm
| H3-50 is pretty good at backhand, but no where near as fast as a euro tensor |
Posted By: Alwin
Date Posted: 10/10/2016 at 7:42pm
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If you're considering H3-50 for BH then I would definitely suggest TG3-60 as well. From what I've heard it's lighter and bouncier but still not as good as a tensor for BH imho. Also H3-50 is not a lot cheaper than a tensor here in AUS. ------------- T05H | HL5 | TG3-60 |
Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/10/2016 at 8:46pm
| TG3-60 is made for BH when you use H3 as FH, find your feet on thiscombo |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 10/11/2016 at 10:40am
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I think H3-50 can be used on backhand and forehand fairly nicely, I have used both and the spin and touch on fast, stiffer blades is nice. I am interested to see Skyline 3-60 on both FH and BH too, as I feel it will also be suitable for both wings. Although not a popular opinion, I have played with a lesser known chinese rubber called Reactor Ckylin Blue Porous Sponge edition (Chinese bluefire), which to me is literally a very good facsimile of Donic Bluefire I have compared it side by side with a sheet of Donic JP02 and it is close in speed and spin, great feel and control. Looping underspin on the backhand feels really great and is spinny. At about $10 US I highly recommend it, even if just to try.
------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 10/11/2016 at 11:20am
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Thought there were multiple versions of it. Can you provide a link to where you bought yours from ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: edgy
Date Posted: 10/11/2016 at 12:18pm
eacheng is probably your best bet: http://www.eacheng.net/Reactor-Ckylin-Small-Blue-Fire-p12001.html
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Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 10/12/2016 at 4:07am
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Yap I agree with JK92. Reactor rubbers are OK, I have some Ckylin and Tornado. Bang for bucks rubber by Reactor. Good enough if you can't have a tensor. ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: el_bichito
Date Posted: 03/25/2017 at 10:18pm
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thanks for all the great tips. i just ordered two new blades to try. well one i already have(just buying a back up for the stiga infinity VPS diamond touch) and the other is the Tibhar Samsonov pro black edition. i wont be using booster either. i wanted to try some rubbers on them. Has anyone tried any of these rubbers below and are they any good? how do they play? and what are they comparable too. or have any other suggestions, to add to list, of whats worth getting. i ordered a yinhe moon speed already but has not arrived yet. i also bought a 729 battle II and it was nice, predictable and very light. - Reactor Ckylin Blue Porous Sponge edition - Hurricane 3 Neo - Yinhe Big Dipper - Sanwei T88-I - Tuttle Beijing III - Haifu Blue whale II black sponge
------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS BH: Rakza 7 Max FH: Rakza 7 Max |
Posted By: el luchador
Date Posted: 03/25/2017 at 11:29pm
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Sanwei T88-ii is the closest tenergy like rubber ive ever tried. and it only costs $10. the sponge even has the same porosity as tenergy. the only thing is its a little softer than t05 so on the hardest shots it will bottom out before t05. spin imo is identical. haifu blue whale is not even close. ------------- Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 03/25/2017 at 11:51pm
Reactor Ckylin Blue Porous Sponge edition is very slow; may be the old version of Reactor tornado ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 03/27/2017 at 11:03am
I have a couple of club mates that switched from T05 to Yinhe Moon Speed and have never looked back. One is about 1950 and the other 2150. Both use black on the FH and they both use BTY carbon blades. They both use pretty hard sponge version and both use edge tape that covers the sponge and topsheet. Another player uses Yinhe Earth and about 1850 counterhitter. Good luck.
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/27/2017 at 11:54am
a lot of people that play with tenergy can get the same spinny shots with a 20$ rubber the marketing weights more than common sense |
Posted By: el luchador
Date Posted: 03/28/2017 at 12:34am
true but tenergy helps the player with the bounciness. some cheap rubbers make the player do ALL the work. which may even be a good thing depending on style and skill level. ------------- Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 03/28/2017 at 12:50am
that is true, the rubbers did help a lot, remember in old day, people said player should use an unforgiven rubber (aka chinese rubber) to develop a good tech. Anyway, spinart is really different from tenergy. ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: el_bichito
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 12:43am
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Ok so i have ordered Sanwei t88- II Hurricane 3 Neo 729 Battle II Yinhe Moon Speed anything else worth considering that are good? i was told by a seller on ebay that. 61second Eagle or 61second kongaroo are similar to Tenergy 05? Anyone tried this before?http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/61second-Eagle-Pips-in-Table-Tennis-Rubber-with-yellow-Sponge-/252647180507?hash=item3ad2f208db:g:wSoAAOSw4GVYM~Tu ------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS BH: Rakza 7 Max FH: Rakza 7 Max |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 1:11am
tinarc 3 soft is awesome not very demanding like h3 but spinny |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 2:43am
No chinese rubber is similar to T05. They said yinhe moon is similar to T05 too  ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 3:13am
dhs selling h3 gets 3x more money than butterfly selling tenergy the big cake are the amateurs |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 3:33am
dhs selling h3 gets 3x more money than butterfly selling tenergy ,the big cake are the under 1500 amateurs market |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 5:03am
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butterfly spin art and tibhar evolution mx-s ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 7:34am
I have both Moon and T05. They are worlds apart. Moon cannot even come close to the spin capabilities of the T05. I find my 05 better than Moon be it on FH or BH side. ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: Tabmini
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 7:38am
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Battle II is worth to try. The topsheet has mild tack but very grippy and Soft. It reminds me of Xiom Vega Euro. ------------- My feedback : mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77680&PID=959859 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 6:38pm
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Why not using tuning to increase Chinese rubber speed. Most Chinese rubbers are very dry and slow. By applying exactly the oil that BTY or ESN used, we can make a similar rubber to them. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 8:43pm
spinart  , if you have $ to burn, that is the rubber you must use.------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: rjett
Date Posted: 03/29/2017 at 9:31pm
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Can't believe no one has mentioned Sanwei Target National. Wonderful choice. |