H3 Neo Commercial Consistency Myth
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Topic: H3 Neo Commercial Consistency Myth
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Subject: H3 Neo Commercial Consistency Myth
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 7:08am
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Update: After 80 hrs of usage on each rubber (1 month) After 2 weeks, the performance of the rubbers started to drop as the booster started wearing off. I reboosted the rubbers with another thin layer of kailin. Topsheet: All topsheets show signs of usage. Topsheet juiciness: The commercial has worn off the most. The OS and BS topsheets are nowhere as good as new, but still have some juiciness. Sponge: The BS is a little bit brittle when it comes to removing glue. All the rubbers became a little bit unstable after reboost and lost some of the oomph they had on the first boost. Overall conclusion: I can confirm that at the present cost of commercial (85 RMB), OS provincial (190 RMB) and BS provincial (280 RMB), buying a commercial sponge makes the most sense. There is very little difference in the rubbers when new and boosted. You can get 7 commercials at the cost of 2 BS provincial and at the same cost have a rubber which is always fresh. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There has been a lot of talk about the inconsistency of the quality of commercial H3N sheets and how provincial and national sheets are way better. I was recently visited China and bought myself 10 sheets of commercial, 1 sheet orange provincial and 1 sheet blue provincial. The prices of these sheets were as follows: Commercial: 85 RMB, OS: 190 RMB, BS: 280 RMB The hardness and the weights for 2.15mm sheets cut to a 150x157 head were as follows: Commercial: 39, 47.2g, OS: 39, 46.8g, BS: 40, 46.2g I cut 3 sheets of commercial from this batch of 10 and to my surprise all of them were flawless and all of them were the exact same weight. Preparation: I prepared the sheets using Kailin booster (3 layers). Kailin is supposed to be the in booster today and is an in-between between Dianchi and Haifu. It does not make the sheet as soft as Dianchi and does not leave it as hard as Haifu. Its effect is as strong as Haifu and the effect lasts for 3 weeks like Dianchi instead of 2 weeks for Haifu. About my setup: TB ZLF (91 g), with H3 Neo variants and T64 on the BH side. Total weight of setup, 183g. Commercial: As always this is a consistent do it all rubber I will use it as a benchmark for the other versions. Boosted, this is already an excellent rubber which is hard to improve on. OS Prov: There was hardly any noticeable difference between the commercial and the provincial OS. I would not be able to differentiate between them if this was a blind test. BS Prov: This rubber felt a little bit softer than the OS and Commercial, even though it was 1 degree harder. It also curled up faster and absorbed the booster very quickly as compared to the others. It was the same tackiness but the sponge was a little bit faster and the topsheet felt a little bit softer (due to the effect of softer sponge). The topsheet did not just grab the ball due to the tack but also due to a slightly more flexible nature. Service game: All three are excellent. The commercial and OS are virtually the same. The BS made it easier to disguise no spin serve as a shorter jerk of the wrist could generate more variation due to the slightly more flexible topsheet. Receiving was good with all three rubbers but the BS was a bit jumpy. This meant that no spin serves were more difficult to receive if I spotted them late. Rallying: BS was a bit easier to rally because of the softer feel. Also the topsheet felt softer and it was easier to engage the rubber properly even on slight mistiming. Opening attack: All are great, the BS took a little bit less effort. Lifting backspin: Al are great, no difference. Driving backspin: BS is a clear winner. Easier to drive as the ball grab is more. Conclusion: There is virtually no difference between the commercial and the OS prov for the first week of play. I regret paying 100 RMB extra for it. The BS prov is neither a better nor a worse rubber. Some players may like it better. the receive game is more difficult but the open rallying is a lot easier. At more than 3 times the cost of the commercial, I do not know if its worth it for the amateur player (abut 2200-2400). Also, I am a bit surprised when I read that commercial sheets are not consistent. AI have been through around 30 sheets and except a few bubbling up on me (4-5) the rest have played very consistent. It is hard to justify the spending on the OS because when boosted up, they play the same. |
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Posted By: siestakey
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 7:34am
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So , was it worth the extra money ? ------------- Siesta Key W968 Omega Tour 7 i |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 7:42am
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There is one Truth but it is suffered to believe. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 9:10am
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Great experiment and report. Will be very interest in seeing follow up studies regarding durability and match performance ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |
Posted By: incarnation
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 3:59pm
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I think the main the difference are the DURABILITY of the rubbers, I have play commercial version before and if you are high level amateur player and play 5 days a week, it will be dead less than 1 week. for nationals version you can play like 2-3 months. but the thing is I don't know how to spot whether they are commercial , provincial or national. it's very hard to tell. lot of the stores would fake it make the commercial and sell it as prov/National by changing the covers, etc. my questions is that where do you guys order H3 rubbers from for commercial/prov/national versions and shipped to Canada and how do you spot them if they are Genuine or Fake?
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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 6:58pm
I do not think the Bs or OS are worth the extra money. The BS is ridiculously priced. Add the cost of booster, 3 layers of glue and the time spent peeling them off, not worth it. I think I saved a lot by not buying 10 sheets of BS. |
siestakey wrote:Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 7:02pm
On the contrary, the BS topsheet has a couple of marks now, but the OS and commercial topsheets are as good as new after 1 week of play. I think the BS takes booster faster, but also lets out booster faster. As for being genuine, there is no way to know. The packing looks the same. I bought it off a big shop in Beijing, but I wouldn't buy it online. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 7:07pm
They are all fake, even then "commercial" one. There is a huge fake system, where the "pro" is better than the "commercial". Please open your mind and think far beyond to that. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 8:42pm
| I suspect sone of this relates to both the legendary inconsistency of regular commercial H3 and to the fact you used to be able to play with anything if you speed glue it enough. Remove tuning from your test and see if they are reproducible. |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 12/30/2016 at 1:15pm
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Well, you might feel they are pretty much the same in short term. But the provincial or national will out last the commercial ones. I've personally used all of them, with the same amount of usage, commercial ones will get dull on the sweet spot of the rubber faster than my provincial or national. For those who say it's fake, you can always stick with regular western or japanese rubber. After all, the H3 goodness is not for everybody. ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 12/30/2016 at 2:47pm
Amen. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 12/31/2016 at 5:20am
I bought them from a very reliable shop which wad recommended by a forum member. What makes you think they are fakes? I forgot to get photos, perhaps I will get them once I visit again in Jan 2017. https://goo.gl/photos/WQCFvFEe89gLNk8X8" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/photos/WQCFvFEe89gLNk8X8 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 12/31/2016 at 8:53am
He did mean they were all "commercial". He did not mean they were all fake. However, don't feed the hungry fat dragon again! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/10/2017 at 8:57am
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Posted By: BaiMile
Date Posted: 01/11/2017 at 3:32am
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ashishsharmaait, Could you please apply photos of the topsheets and sponges of the rubbers. I'm affraid of getting fakes, buying DHS products. Did they change the serial code stamps on the sponge? I can remember it was something like P111215 something, that was production date bla bla and now on recent rubbers I can see something like different code of more letters and less figures like ADXA1145 something. I'm talking about commercial Neo versions. Thanks
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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 01/16/2017 at 2:41pm
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likely fakes and all commercial just in different color. neo blue isn't sold via retail. also, when i bought neo provincial from stores, they were still not as good as the ones received from players. that's why i stopped using hurricane also, perception of difference is subjective, depending on your level of touch and technique. i can feel the difference immediately between commercial and provincial even without boosting, let alone national. for avg <2000, provincial may not be worthwhile. if you require precise control and a more elastic rubber, provincial is the most economic. national is not worth the money unless you're world class considering we have plenty of 2600+ using provincial. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/16/2017 at 6:20pm
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As luck would have it I am in Beijing right now, and have a Blue Provincial I bought from a very reputable store. Although I have given up trying to convince people, I will post photos of the rubber today.... to each his own I guess. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 01/16/2017 at 6:37pm
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China is very well-known as a country to produce massive quantity of fake products. Before, people there have taken very carefully their "reputation". Nowadays, there is no reputation left, especially if you are foreigner. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/16/2017 at 9:15pm
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https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiInBrFf4inFgQHg9HlknnM199N7 Here are the photos, forgive the quality. I am not carrying my camera. |
Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/19/2017 at 9:47pm
I think it not fake 
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Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/20/2017 at 9:55am
I want buy 1 sheet same your rubber. Can you help me? |
Posted By: Schlager72
Date Posted: 01/20/2017 at 12:06pm
Check prott.vip ------------- M.Maze FH H3 Neo (prov) BH MX-P |
Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/20/2017 at 7:39pm
My friend had buy at prott.vip, but quaility not good.
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Posted By: Schlager72
Date Posted: 01/20/2017 at 11:53pm
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Which version did your friend buy & what quality problems did he face? ------------- M.Maze FH H3 Neo (prov) BH MX-P |
Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/21/2017 at 12:05am
This is H3-NT-Blue. It isn't similar. Images:  |
Posted By: Schlager72
Date Posted: 01/21/2017 at 2:04am
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Are you saying its a fake? I hope You've already confirmed the serial number on the official DHS site to make sure? Also did you raise your concerns with "Zhang" the owner of prott? @ OP, Not sure if this conversation is welcome here.... ------------- M.Maze FH H3 Neo (prov) BH MX-P |
Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/21/2017 at 3:23am
I'm not said its a fake . So they aren't similar i not believe.I have experience when chose H3. I can see, smell, skull...but can't check serial number. Because i do undertand production from Chinese  |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/21/2017 at 7:13am
Icanget itfor you the nexttime I visit beijing. OrI canpmyou the shop number/address. The owner's son William, can speak some broken english but enough to communicate by email. This shop was mentioned by forum member Jasonz andhas some of the best rates in Beijing. Selection is small though. |
Posted By: MVCSGN
Date Posted: 01/21/2017 at 7:20am
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[/QUOTE] Icanget itfor you the nexttime I visit beijing. OrI canpmyou the shop number/address. The owner's son William, can speak some broken english but enough to communicate by email. This shop was mentioned by forum member Jasonz andhas some of the best rates in Beijing. Selection is small though.[/QUOTE] Thank you so much. This is my email: [email protected]
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Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 8:55pm
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Just put H3 Neo Provincial Blue Sponge 39/2.1 on the Fan Bo ALC blade. It is exactly like I remembered it from past - my best FH rubber ever. I'll report back about durability. Hope it'll not be too soon with 4-6 hours per week. Tips for those who is interested - Fan Bo ALC (2) - is made for linear eurojap rubbers (like MX-S) and Chinese style rubber. With tenergy like rubber you will get - blade non-linearity * rubber catapult - didn't like it at all. Good blade, though thin handle, low quality top ply of wood - but...it's good. And the price..! -)) ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: dangerhow
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 1:52am
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The only consistency issue I experienced is the tackniness. When I bought H3 Neo Commercial 3 years ago, the topsheets is very tacky an I can lift the ball for about 5 seconds. 2 Years Ago I bouhgt exactly the same H3 Neo Commercial and the tackiness was still very good. Last month, I bought again the exact same of DHS H3 Neo, the tackiness is not even close to when I bought it 2-3 years ago. I can lift the ball only for 0.5 seconds. Then I bought DHS H8 and H2 Commercial, the tackiness also not good. They also can lift the ball only for 0.5 seconds. Does someone experienced the same thing as I had in using DHS Hurricane products ? Does the manufacturer reduce their tackiness quality for a reason or it's only the inconsistency of production ? ------------- Blade : Butterfly Viscaria FH : Yinhe Big Dipper BH : Palio AK47 Blue |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 10:19am
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I noticed something similar but it wasn't the rubber it was from switching to the new ball. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 10:42am
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I bought my H8 when it came out. Its really tacky. Some fellas of mine bought three H8 from differend vendors and they are only slightly tacky. No comparison with mine ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 11:37am
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if you have a choice with vendor buy the heaviest one you can get those are the once that are tacky ------------- rating solid 1000 moving up to 1001 |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 4:30pm
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the only problems I had with H3Neo was when I bought from a different seller. All the ones I have had from Bribar have been excellent quality. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 03/28/2017 at 1:28am
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Reporting back - my h3 neo provincial blue sponge has gone all in bubbling - I guess smth wrong with process of gluing top sheet and sponge together. It's so bad that even when I put off protective film (usual, not sticky!) before playing it separates top sheet from sponge showing me locations of many places where top sheet has gone off the sponge. For 50+ $ it's a total wasting of money. Will try H8 and Haifu Whale (2&3) + booster later this year. May be Dianchi D40 too -)) ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 03/28/2017 at 1:43am
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I would suggest sticking to H3 Neo commercial with Haifu or Kailin. H8 is harder and heavier than H3N and also throws a bit lower. |