Gambler FLC = ZLC ?
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Topic: Gambler FLC = ZLC ?
Posted By: jpenmaster
Subject: Gambler FLC = ZLC ?
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 6:48pm
I noticed Gambler has some new FLC blades they claim is like ZLC. Maybe it's a Chinese copy of ZLC? Limba, Koto and a hinoki blade. Here is the innerforce type blade Every Fire Dragon has 2 layers of proprietary *high modulus carbon interwoven with multi stranded tempered filament,(F.L.C). F.L.C expands the optimal striking surface and gives the blade optimum flex recovery even at the highest professional levels all while maintaining touch and feel. 4 outer layers of high grade Limba and Koto followed by *high modulus carbon interwoven with multi stranded tempered filament,(F.L.C)., Inner core of high grade select clearwood. Carbon layers are placed closer to the core to provide an overall soft feel while maintaining the kick of carbon, Fire Dragon Touch is a very nimble blade with notable flex and kick. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 7:18pm
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It sounds nore like the stuff Stiga uses in Carbonado to me. That is a quite nice looking blade IMHO. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 7:47pm
The other blades are limba Koto with the FLC under the first layer and then the Hinoki FLC    ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 7:51pm
| Where are they available from? |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 7:55pm
https://www.zeropong.com/" rel="nofollow - Zeropong P.S.: posted at the same time as piligrim ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
ashishsharmaait wrote:Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 7:55pm
zeropong |
Posted By: HarmonicTT
Date Posted: 09/15/2017 at 8:16pm
| Might be a pioneer and try this. With 729 focus 3 snipe rubbers. |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 09/16/2017 at 12:37am
| Is there a chinese website that sells Gambler products worldwide? I searched on Aliexpress and Taobao but didn't find anything, strange considering they are chinese brand.... |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 09/16/2017 at 4:35am
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They look gorgeous. The only thing that cools me down is the size. Otherwise for this price I wouldn't think at all and jump on it ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: vinox27
Date Posted: 09/16/2017 at 5:48am
EJ mode kicks in just bought all of the blades with free shirt per blade. 
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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 10/13/2017 at 12:37pm
Interested in how the blade plays. And the design of the moisture-wicking shirt looks extremely sharp. Hmmm, maybe something to wear for the NA Teams this year.  - |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/13/2017 at 1:07pm
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I'm trying one. I should get it by tues eve. A guy told me he thought his was ok so. I was skeptical based on the rosewood oversized I tried that seems to be of the same make. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: dsc13
Date Posted: 10/13/2017 at 2:01pm
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I have a PH version of the Fire Dragon Touch, which is supposed to be similar to the BTY Innerforce-ZLC. The construction of the blade looks to be the same, but i can't tell if the wood composition is the same. The head size of the Gambler blade is the same as the BTY blade. I forgot to weigh the Gambler blade before mounting rubber on it, but it feels much lighter. I'm sure it is, because my 2 ZLC-CS's are much heavier than the spec at over 90 grams each. I use 2.1mm Tenergy on both sides. The blade feels very solid and has a slightly harder feel than the BTY blades I have. In my case, this is perfect for me, as my BTY blades feel like they've lost some pop over the years. I know there is a theory that composite blades degrade through use, and while I used to be skeptical of this, I'm more of a believer now. This combo seems to fit my play style perfectly, and I have much better feel and generate more spin. I'm not sure whether the blade feels better because of the lighter weight, newness, or superior construction, but I do like the results. |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 10/13/2017 at 2:24pm
Agreed! Nothing wrong with 151x161, but it’s just not what most people will prefer. Fingers crossed down the road they will offer 150x157. (Also, the pink handle on the “fast” will probably be polarizing. But it looks cool.) |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 10/13/2017 at 11:45pm
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I got the fast version (fire dragon) and it is much stiffer and harder than almost all my other blades. At first I thought it was like my galaxy T8 blade which feels like a brick, but it has pretty good control for blade this fast. I am currently using razka 9 and xiom asia omega V both in 2.0 sponge. My blade has a mass of 90 grams. The shirt was the kicker for me. Great deal at 10 dollars. Fits well. This is a steal at 45 dollars for both (counting shipping). I am thinking about trying the one or two of the other blades.
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Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/14/2017 at 9:17am
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Interesting. I've been looking for a fast composite blade at around 80g. For $40, I wonder what sanding it down to 150 X 157 would do to the weight, balance, and the performance? ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/14/2017 at 9:18am
| Does the larger head make it feel more head heavy? I'm looking for a balanced blade. |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 10/15/2017 at 9:19am
I do not think it is particularly head heavy. I will try to get a weight with current rubbers, but with razka9 and i think air assasin it was 184 grams
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Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/15/2017 at 9:29am
Thanks. Looking forward to your comments. |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/15/2017 at 11:00am
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Just ordered a Fire Dragon Touch. When I get it, I'm going to weigh it out of the box, then shave it down to the profile of my Xiom blades, then weigh it again, mount rubbers and evaluate its performance. I think taking it from 151X161 to 150X157 will probably take 3-4g off the total blade weight. Maybe it will open the door to try some rubbers that I felt were too heavy previously. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/17/2017 at 10:49am
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i got mine. sure looks nice. will try it out tonight ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/17/2017 at 11:19am
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Out of curiosity, is anyone going to perform the frequency measurements as per: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79593&PN=3#999531" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79593&PN=3#999531 |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 10/17/2017 at 12:08pm
is it true ? and what it look like that free gambler t-shirt ? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/17/2017 at 1:43pm
Which one did you get? ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 4:48pm
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Just received my Fire Dragon Touch. Weight listed on the Zeropong website: 81g plus or minus 2g. Weight of blade received: 91g ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 5:55pm
I guess right off that means that it's best to talk to them directly and have them weigh one before ordering if 90+ grams is an issue. Did you do a frequency test? |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 6:29pm
I'm going to pick mine up in Vegas. -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 7:00pm
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I did not do a frequency test, I don't have the app, and frankly, I don't buy the correlation based on some of the numbers I saw on the table. I emailed Zeropong, and I'm sure they'll straighten the matter out, it's just that I've never seen a blade that's 10g off from its published weight. I didn't specify, because I felt I could deal with the tolerances they published. I have a suspicion that it might be an error on their website. Anyway, I've raised the flag for other readers, and Zeropong knows they have to look into it. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 7:12pm
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I have the fast blade, both blades are the same thickness and mine also weighs 91g. +/- 2 grams is never going to happen lol. Most blades can vary 10 grams so if you want something specific better ask. I have had Butterfly Korbels from 80 grams to over 100 grams ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 7:52pm
That's nasty. A 20% difference. Someone should get fired. I know that there are Japanese and European versions, possibly that is the problem. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 8:37pm
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10 grams either way seems like a lot but its not considering blades are a natural product. I prefer close to 90g so i try and request it. Kiln dried vs air dried , a little more adhesive, slightly thicker veneers can easily add up. 10grams is only 2 sheets of paper. Try weighing your blades in summer and winter they will fluctuate a couple grams ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 8:45pm
This is true but that is what QC is all about. No matter how you slice it, 20% , is a lot. Just have to remember to talk to the dealer about all important metrics. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/18/2017 at 10:48pm
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For an expensive blade they should be picking their wood more carefully I think. Tried the touch version. Was better than I expected but I won't be switching. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 12:52pm
Mine (Touch, that is) was also a bit heavier than I thought. It is truly a rather slow-ish blade, somewhere around ALL+. I paired it up (in the Zeropong promotional combo) with Zero BD and Zero TH and the result was kinda underwhelming and quite muffled in terms of feeling. It played OK for a beginner and would probably suit defender/allround player but I couldn't squeeze much out of it. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 1:33pm
Thanks for the info. I am thinking it is either there is a different type of carbon composite or a soft core that is generating these characteristics? They do seem to be after more of a wood feel. Any thoughts on this? |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 1:46pm
maybe rubbers very slow? try with Tenergy |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 1:53pm
I was considering that possibility, but I know that JimT has performed many evaluations and was focusing on the blade characteristics that he was feeling. However, maybe the blade does perform better with some of the more popular tensor rubbers? |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 7:31pm
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I exchanged emails with Zeropong today, and apparently, after the first batch of blades came in, he asked the factory to make them heavier. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: dsc13
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 7:41pm
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I use Tenergy 2.1mm on my Dragon Touch, and I don't consider my setup lacking in speed at all. It's not OFF+, but it's fast, and I feel it's still controllable. |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 7:45pm
Any way to compare it to any other blade that you've played with Tenergy? Thanks. |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/19/2017 at 7:49pm
Probably a bit heavier than I like but the website still reads 81+2. Thanks for the info. |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/21/2017 at 9:39am
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Zeropong weighed their inventory of Fire Dragon Touch blades, and the lightest of the blades are in the 84g range. They have been nothing but accommodating. They're sending me an 84g blade and enclosing a prepaid mailer for me to return the 91g blade I originally received. Can't ask for better than that.
------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/22/2017 at 6:31pm
Then on their website they should NOT advertise their weight at 80g - I basically ordered the combo because I hoped for a light but relatively fast blade (all my combos are at 170 +- 2-3 g; due to shoulder troubles I do not want to play with any paddle heavier than 172-174). Imagine my disappointment when the result was neither light nor fast. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 10/22/2017 at 8:29pm
I agree. They should offer a refund if the merchandise does not conform to advertised specifications. If they don't, what I would do is challenge the charge after providing proof of advertisement specifications and actual weight. I believe the credit card companies provide protection against defective merchandise, and since your blade is outside of the promised weight, it would be considered defective. |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/23/2017 at 1:35pm
I wouldn't get all wound ups about credit card warranties, etc. Zeropong has been more than willing to make things right. If you have received equipment that does not meet your expectations and hasn't been altered, I don't see any reason why they won't accept it back. They were more than willing to refund my money. Instead, I requested another blade, and it is in transit. I'll be sending my original purchase back to them with a shipping label they are providing. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/24/2017 at 8:32pm
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Got my Fire Dragon Touch yesterday at 83g promised by Zeropong customer service, and shaved the head sized down and ended up with an 80g blade. One thing I noticed is that the Zeropong oval is narrower in the lower half than my Xiom blades because I used a previously mounted sheet of rubber and had to trim a crescent from each side. I fit the blade with Baracuda and Rasanter R42, both 2.0, and found it to be reasonably fast. My goal was to go from an off to off+ blade with slower rubber to an off to off- blade with more aggressive rubbers to see if it resulted in greater dwell time and as a result, more spin. I only played a short time with it, so the jury's still out, but it's got possibilities, although it's going to take a stroke adjustment. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 10/25/2017 at 5:55pm
Nice! Sounds like a success! I’d be glad to hear more about what you did to shave the blade. Did you use hand tools? What’s the current length? |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 10/25/2017 at 7:23pm
Nice! Sounds like a success! I’d be glad to hear more about what you did to shave the blade. Did you use hand tools? What’s the current length? I took 3-4 mm off the top of the oval, tapering down to 0 at about 3 and 9 o'clock using a previously cut rubber as a template. I used a fine tip marker to mark my trim line, then used a sanding block with about 100 grit sandpaper to bring the blade close to the line, and finished it with a flat file, then used 200 grit paper to clean the edges. The head is a tiny bit smaller than my typical blade, but has decent balance, and hits fine. For $40, in my mind, it was worth the experiment. If you're really on the market for a light offensive blade, though, I just discovered and ordered a 78g Xiom Hyabusa Z+ on closeout at Paddle Palace. The inventory they have is all 81g and lighter, and at $88.95, it's a great composite blade for a fantastic price.
------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 10/28/2017 at 8:27pm
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I keep going back to my gambler flc fast dragon. It does a lot of things well that help my game. I have always been a high flex wood blade type player. But this blade blocks very well at the table, serves are good and so is the short game. It really shines when I am off the table. Very solid and predictable. It is not a rocket launcher. The only thing it does not seem to help my game (and most likely it is me, not the blades problem though some other blades work well for me at this) is attacking right at the table. I can 3rd ball kill, but the medium to hard drive or loop close to the table is not really excelling with this blade. I keep thinking my 183 gram set up is too heavy-i have preferred 174 grams or so for a long time. But maybe its working cause I have started doing some pushups. edit-with current rubbers of xiom omega V asia and razka 9 both in 2.0 sponge the mass is 187 grams.
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Posted By: Tabmini
Date Posted: 10/31/2017 at 11:18pm
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It seem the dragon touch has been high praised. Anyone tried The Hinoki one ? It looks like some kind of Garaydia ZLC or Amultart. Cheers, ------------- My feedback : mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77680&PID=959859 |
Posted By: zeropong
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 8:53am
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The Original blades came with light weight, at the high levels the blade is designed for the weight was too light, we have updated the web to reflect the weight range of the new batch of blades. Considering the product is made to satisfy higher level players they disliked the 80gram weight, so we increased it, and our target was 85grams however it did swing a bit higher than that. Much has to do with the types of wood used, some types have a bigger variance, out of the 4 competitors blades that these compare to all are over 92 grams while listed as 85 with no +- variance, If you need a specific weight we can pull it down to 84-83 grams, since 200+USD blades cannot manage to meet the weight ranges we will try our best to succeed where the" best" have already failed. P.S we are a USA and Chinese company with our own joint venture factory, while admittedly the vast majority of sales are inside China, we try to cater to the European style as well  |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:03am
| shipping to Canada too expensive. TT11 ship with DHL for half price from Estonia |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:08am
| Thank you. Appreciate your informative post. |
Posted By: zeropong
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:25am
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It is a good thing that we do not compete in any way with TT11,(they are a straight low price re seller) you have to understand about shipping .. USA companies get RIPPED off from the vendors (DHL, FEDEX, and the USPS) they offer shipping to foreign companies at half the rate, soon we will be shipping straight from our China pro shop, it is cheaper for me to ship a package straight from China to Texas than it is to ship that same package from SC to Texas. Tom Edit: when I say cheaper from China direct to Texas I mean HALF PRICE for the same package sent from one USA state to another USA state. |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:34am
I noticed as a customer, but I had no idea business pricing is that much higher for us retailers. Sadly shipping from China sounds like a good move.. |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:41am
Two questions that came up multiple times on threads about the new FLC blades: 1. What’s the motivation for going with 161mm length instead of the more common 157mm? Any plans to do a 157mm in the future? (AFAIK this is a big hurdle for a lot of players interested in the blades.) 2. What’s the wood species used for the blade’s core? These new blades seem fantastic! |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:42am
I compare only shipping cost. I was expecting shipping from USA to Canada would be cheaper then Shipping to Canada from Europe, China and Japan. or shipping cost not depend by distance? |
Posted By: richrf
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 9:52am
The problem I see with this approach, is that it removes you as the intermediary inspector of the goods which is worth something. I would not want to order directly from a factory unless there was a return guarantee with postage. With T11, for example, I can have them verify specifications before shipping, so there is less risk. I concur that the oversized dimensions create a head heavy weight issue especially with the new ESN rubbers. |
Posted By: zeropong
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 10:25am
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I would never ship retail product directly from a factory they are set up to wrap pallets not pull onesies and twosies "soon we will be shipping straight from our China pro shop" We are in the process of putting in a club and pro shop |
Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 5:25pm
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The only reason I didn't buy at least one blade from zeropong is because it will arrive to Portugal from US. Almost for sure it would go to portuguese customs where I would have to pay almost the same as the price of the blade (that also happens when it comes from Canada, Taiwan and Japan, and probably from some others coutries outside Europe. When it comes from China usually don't go to customs)
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 10:27pm
Rich, what tools do you use for shaving off some small portion of a blade? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 12:51am
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I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides. See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams. I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams. I'm very happy I found the Z+!!! There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 1:12am
The whole Hyabusa series has been discontinued. A real shame I think, they were nice blades. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 1:18am
Very much a shame. Although I first ridiculed the appearance, I settled on the Hayabusa Zi as my blade of choice. My third one arrived in the mail today. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 5:33am
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Yes, a real shame about the Hyabusa series. My Zxi has the most amazing tactile feedback of any blade I've ever tried. I was fortunate to get one at 81g, and it was tough to find them that light. I was hopeful the Vega Tour would be the same animal, but it wasn't. Then I started watching the new Feel series with great anticipation, but at least on the initial release, the blade weights on the ZX2 and ZX3 were around 87-88g, too heavy for me. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 11/04/2017 at 12:23pm
I am surprised that you mention Rasanter R47/42 as relatively fast rubbers - two weeks ago I was given an almost pristine R47 and it is quite slow. Very good spin, nice control but heavy and slow. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/04/2017 at 2:49pm
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There is no company that discontinues blades faster than Xiom. If you find one you like you better stock up. |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 11/04/2017 at 5:38pm
R47 is certainly faster than P7. Then again, it all depends on what blade you're putting it on. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: looper1984
Date Posted: 11/08/2017 at 12:37pm
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I currently use the Fire Hinoki blade. Great feel and speed on the table and at mid distance with little to no vibration. It has both speed and control. I've read the specs on Butterfly Garaydia and this blade has a very similar construction. It's got the two thick cypress outer plys which give it a nice bounce with medium feel. I'm sure short pip attack players would like this blade as well. I'm a two wing looper and really like the balance you get from cypress and carbon layers. I have the control to loop slow with spin and power to loop kill. We have a few other guys in the club that use it and love it. One guy is a Seemiller player with OX long pips(2050) and the other is two wing looper with smooth both sides.
Fire Hinoki Burst/Zero |
Posted By: sadius
Date Posted: 11/08/2017 at 7:40pm
| I really like the Fire Dragon Touch. Really good looping blade for the price. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 11/11/2017 at 9:04am
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What about the handles? Kind of thin? ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 11/11/2017 at 9:18am
| Blade is just right for me, but I have small hands. I have the straight blade and it is almost the same width and shape as the straight yinhe LQ-1 you sell. The LQ-1 is slightly longer. |
Posted By: sadius
Date Posted: 11/11/2017 at 10:39pm
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Yes, the handle little thin compare to my Butterfly Zhang Jike alc but after I wrapped the handle it become very comfortable |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 11/11/2017 at 10:42pm
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The straight is better than the flared ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 11/12/2017 at 2:27pm
It always depends on the blade, of course - but not when you are using the same blade to compare two different rubbers. R47 was to me noticeably slower - on the same blade - than Rasant Grip, than T-80FX, Tibhar Aurus or KTL Red Diamond Mechanical / Black Power Mechanical. More than that - I got the same info from two other people who played with it before me. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Rich L
Date Posted: 11/12/2017 at 2:44pm
I think you misunderstood me. I have been using P7 on my Zxi. I Put R47 on a Z+. At no time did I try them both on one blade. It would've made my Zxi heavier than I wanted. My motive in trying R47 on the Z+ was to try to replicate the performance of the P7 on my BH of my Zxi. In my opinion, the R47 didn't act the same. The ball felt very direct off the rubber, where with the P7, I felt the more dwell time, more of an absorption of the ball followed by a release. It is evident that I need to look for a different rubber, perhaps something a bit softer than 47 degree sponge, although P7 was supposed to be 47. Victas 402 Limber and Evolution FX-S are considerations. ------------- Xiom Haybusa Zxi FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
Posted By: PipBull
Date Posted: 11/23/2017 at 10:31am
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I agree with looper1984. I'm currently using the Fire Dragon FLC blade , the specs are equal to the Butterfly Garaydia. I'm a Seemiller grip player and love the at the table touch /control this blade gives . Blocking hard ,slow and spiny loops are so easy with this blade. At the table the Fire Dragon FLC allows you to play aggressive loops or slower spiny sloops with ease and control even off the table power /control is great. I stopped playing for about 3 years and just started playing again with this blade and I've been taking matches off of 2100 level players. Great blade paired with long pips. ------------- Fire Dragon Hinoki FLC FH:Gambler Burst BH:Gambler Long pips |