2018 College Table Tennis national, April 20-22
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Topic: 2018 College Table Tennis national, April 20-22
Posted By: nctta_chris
Subject: 2018 College Table Tennis national, April 20-22
Date Posted: 04/14/2018 at 12:57am
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http://www.nctta.org/champs/2018/index.html" rel="nofollow - 2018 iSET College Table Tennis National Championships will take place in Round Rock sports center, April 20-22, 2018. Multiple Olympians will be making appearance, see http://www.nctta.org/champs/2018/news.html" rel="nofollow - Participating Players and Teams . Live streaming (starting April 20th) will be http://www.nctta.org/champs/2018/video.html" rel="nofollow - available here . Tournament http://bit.ly/2qwYWXJ" rel="nofollow - equipment sale
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Posted By: JigglyPuff
Date Posted: 04/15/2018 at 1:22pm
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you guys run a great tournament, seems like it gets better ever year, both organizational-wise and player skill-level ------------- 
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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 04/21/2018 at 6:08am
| streaming link: http://nctta.org/champs/2018/video.html" rel="nofollow - http://nctta.org/champs/2018/video.html |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 04/22/2018 at 6:41pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEDFnggYzE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEDFnggYzE Harimoto visiting this club. Keep your eye on the remote table, wonderful boy, indeed. ------------- ------ 𝐖𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐥 |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 04/22/2018 at 8:51pm
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I watched both singles finals and was really disappointed at the very low standard of play. The USA prides itself on the quality of its college sports - esp. American football and basketball - but the standard for table tennis is little better than club play. If college sport is the route to the top, then USA will never make it in our game. |
Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 04/22/2018 at 9:41pm
Not sure I understand your disappointment: USA's level in international TT competition is probably not a surprise to anyone, so what did you expect from the college competition? And TT is not even a varsity sport in the US, that is it's not recognized by NCAA, college athletics governing body (which does not bode well for college being the 'route to the top' idea, what with the lack of scholarships etc.). Now, if you saw finals of college basketball or gridiron and saw a mediocre performance, that would be a surprise indeed... ------------- USATT: ~1810 Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
Tassie52 wrote:Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 04/22/2018 at 10:20pm
| There is no path to becoming a US based professional table tennis player as there is no money. The standard of play is quite good given that the players' profession right now is full time student. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 04/22/2018 at 11:39pm
They are not bad. Don't think it has all to do with the path, may be not all schools have full scholarship. ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: shinchan1506217
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 12:52am
When? Why? |
Posted By: Mimobrok
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 1:05am
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Info for people not following NCTTA: Woman's singles final is Lily Zhang, 2534, UC Berkeley vs Wu Yue, 2492, Texas Wesleyan Lily Zhang and Wu Yue both played for the US in WTTC earlier this January. Men's singles final is Jishan Liang, 2622, Texas Wesleyan vs Kai Zhang, 2658, Birmingham I won't exactly call this low-level table tennis unless you're comparing this to Japan or China.... but still I love NCTTA video qualities and commentation. ------------- Yinhe V14 Pro Flared FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo BH: Xiom Vega Europe DF |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 1:29am
A lot of it is club play. I teach at a large university and can easily beat any player on its current team. Some years back there was guy who had been on a Chinese provincial cadet team who was better than me. Even then, usually he beat me 4-2. He had stopped training seriously in China at age 15, was rusty, and was about 2250. If he had stayed on his provincial team longer he obviously would be around 2600 and I have no chance against anyone like that. Now he has an MS in petroleum engineering and works for a big oil and gas company here. But the 2600+ players who will win the tournament would be among the top players in Australia. The problem with US table tennis is we have no way to sustain a professional player. No leagues. No way to make a living. So our best juniors typically stop serious play at age 18. Moving to Europe is the only option for anyone who wants to be good if they are from the US or Australia. |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 4:34am
A couple of things: 1. I saw a video Matt Hetherington posted on Facebook last week and was certain it was labelled as a women's final. He also posted one of two guys who were truly woeful. My harsh response was based on what I saw there. Obviously Lily Zhang and Kai Zhang are an entirely different standard and I wouldn't want to diss them. 2. I wouldn't want to compare the general standard of table tennis in Oz with the USA - too many unknowns. However, you're right if you're suggesting that our best are comparable with yours. Having said that, USA is probably ahead at present. You're also right suggesting that we face similar problems in terms of developing players at an international standard. OTOH, USA would be better placed IF table tennis was embraced by the college system. IF table tennis was given the same attention as other sports there would be in place training and competition opportunities plus considerable status. But... that's not going to happen. See the other thread for more thoughts on this. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 6:17am
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I haven't seen the NCTTA finals but knowing the quality of the players over the years, Tassie52 must be seriously confusing what he saw with something else. The players who have competed in the finals over the years have always been provincial level Chinese players at worst, regardless of country of origin. That's not a low enough level for someone to get salty about American TT, especially coming from a country like Australia which has many similar problems. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 9:31am
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It is truly a grass roots effort. Congrats the players who organize this for themselves. |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 6:27pm
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I thought the playing level was high and the facility and tables were first class ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 04/23/2018 at 10:02pm
I've already apologised once. Did you miss that? This is one of the videos I started watching. Tell me this is Chinese provincial level. http://www.facebook.com/CollegeTT/videos/10156423872963960/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/CollegeTT/videos/10156423872963960/ |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 4:30am
Don't have Facebook so I can't see it. Nothing wrong with apologizing more than once especially after being rude. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 5:23am
Interesting, isn't it? I watched a video and made perfectly appropriate comments based on what I had seen. I wasn't insulting, I didn't make personal comments. i just pointed out how disappointing the standard of play was. What I saw was posted as part of the 2018 College Table Tennis Nationals, and the standard was very low. If you would take the trouble to look at what I was commenting on, I have little doubt that you would agree that the standard is unimpressive. Having an opinion is hardly being rude. |
Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 6:43am
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I saw most of the finals live and some of the semi-finals as well. I watched the team events too but not that much and I think it was overall a very good effort. The playing area, the tables, the crowd were also amazing. The players ranged from average to good to extremely good in the qualifiers but in the later stages the matches were great and quite high level and lots of fun. This was the first time I got to watch this event and I am glad I did. ------------- Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX Member: 1-ply Hinoki Club Violin/Acoustic Clan The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle! |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 10:17am
Is this the finals? I seriously doubt it's the finals.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:01am
Not Chinese provincial level, no way, far from it. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:10am
Form FB post title: College Table Tennis Championships - Team Prelims (Day 1 Morning) - Table 1 That's as far from Finals as it can be. Here is the men singles final (Kai Zhang vs. Jishan Liang). Both are ~2650 USATT. https://youtu.be/9cuC541ZFEM?t=10323 Women's final match of Lily Zhang vs Yue Wu is just before that. ------------- USATT: ~1810 Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:13am
I agree - those players wouldn't start for provincial teams. But I'd say this: this year's NCTTA men's event was about as strong as the US Nationals. It featured Kai Zhang, Yijun Feng, Zishan Liang, Kunal Chodri, Bruno, The senior Alguetti, A prior US open winner, The Texas Weslyan / Mississippi chinese imports, etc. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:17am
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BTW, (and sorry for the side-step), was Jishan Liang trolling, over-confident or just a super-confused EJ? 1. vs Yijun Feng: IF-ZLC, H3 / Tenergy 2. vs Kunal Chodri: Viscaria / Tenergy / Tenergy 3. vs Kai Zhang: ZJK-ZLC (or ZJK-SZLC) / H3 Blue sponge / Tenergy How can someone play 3 later-stage matches vs top competitors with 3 different set-ups in the same tournament? So much so, that he abandoned H3 when he played Kunal?
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Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 11:21am
Could be a mistake on the part of whoever puts the data up too. Hard to imagine THAT much change from a high level player. ------------- USATT: ~1810 Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 12:00pm
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On the NCTTA Facebook group, someone posted this comparison of the 16 highest rated players in men's singles between the USATT and NCTTA nationals USATT Nationals NCTTA Nationals AVG 2563 AVG 2585 Also, interestingly, Kai lost to Adar Alguetti and Kunal Chodri in the men's/coed team event. In the singles, he came from behind in each of the last 4 matches, against Qingwei Sun, Jinxin Wang, Yijun (Tom) Feng (from down 1-3 in games), and Jishan Liang. #2 seed Jinxin Wang didn't have a good tournament and lost to Kunal in the team quarterfinal, Adar in the team final, and Kai in the singles quarterfinal, as well as the men's doubles quarterfinal (with Jishan Liang) and twice in the team final against NYU - first in singles against Adar and then in the deciding doubles match with Feng Zhe (against Adar and Tom Feng). Feng Zhe also lost in the decider in 2015 (with Bruno Venturo Dos Anjos), which ended Texas Wesleyan's streak of 11 straight team titles; that same pair won the men's doubles this time, beating Alguetti and Tom Feng in the final. Tom Feng beat Liang in the team final. In the singles semifinal, Chodri came close to forcing a 7th game against Liang after falling behind 0-3. In the team semifinals, NYU beat Mississippi College after winning 11-9 in the 5th in the deciding doubles match. |
Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 3:39pm
it's when the racket fails the test he used Kai's the viscaria if zlc is his main blade zjk szlc is the back up ------------- rating solid 1000 moving up to 1001 |
Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 4:24pm
Wasn't Kai using Victas rubber at some point? Or is it in the distant past now? ------------- USATT: ~1810 Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 4:40pm
In the semi final, the commentator did say that he was not using his own racket, so that confirms that he did use two different setups in at least the QF and the SF. In the QF he used a racket belonging to a female player on the team. I am not sure what he used in the final. ------------- Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX Member: 1-ply Hinoki Club Violin/Acoustic Clan The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle! |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/25/2018 at 5:29pm
Purett: but that Viscaria had Tenergy on both sides. Not what Kai uses. You can see his combos in the NCTTA videos. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/01/2018 at 7:48am
Even in the link posted, which I finally looked at, if you go 30 minutes in you see Kai Zhang and Adar Alguetti, so the question is really about how hard you try to put what you are looking for in context before making rude statements about it. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 05/01/2018 at 9:22am
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Dear NextLevel, I am terribly sorry if I offended you or anyone else associated with table tennis in the United States of America. With regret, Tassie52 |
Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 05/01/2018 at 9:55am
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