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Topic: Stiga genesis II
Posted By: jk92
Subject: Stiga genesis II
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 11:55am
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Picked up a sheet of Genesis II spin Soft from TT Japan. Looks like the same sponge as the genesis but the topsheet is tacky this time. The pips are dense with a combination trapezoidal bottom + cylindrical top. I think the genesis S was 45 degrees hardness, and the genesis II S may be 43? Just seems a little softer to touch than 45. Haven't hit with it yet but looking forward to it for sure I'll be using it on my reverse penhold backhand  ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 12:02pm
| could be interesting! |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 12:57pm
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Interested to know about this two rubbers. Could they be an alternative of the H3 that do not require boosting? And would there be an H version? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 1:54pm
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I hit briefly with Genesis M on my coaches racket once and it was impressively spinny without much effort even on an ABS ball. I hope this one will be the case with the II as well. They don't make the genesis series in H hardness unlike mantra etc. ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: patelaaaa
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 2:44pm
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Lol. Designed in sweden, merchandise from TT japan. But the product is made in china. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 2:45pm
I'm not very familiar with the older genesis rubers. Their top sheets are not tacky, are they? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
jk92 wrote:Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 5:46pm
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Yes the top sheets are tacky on the Genesis rubbers. They have a hybrid japanese/swedish sponge and a chinese topsheet basically. ------------- Chris --- Custom Blade made by me Donic Bluestorm Z1 Donic Bluestorm Z2 |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/14/2018 at 6:06pm
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I think the tack level on Genesis II is higher, the first genesis reminded me of a rich man's DHS Tinarc 3/5, where as the stickiness of Genesis II is in between tinarc and hurricane ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: Odie
Date Posted: 08/15/2018 at 6:44pm
| The topsheet on the original Genesis M was not especially tacky. Certainly nothing like Yasaka Rising Dragon, which Genesis II is probaly modelled on. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/18/2018 at 4:14am
Any updates so far?  ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/18/2018 at 9:25pm
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I ordered a sheet from TT11. It should come on Tuesday. I also ordered a sheet of the new Gewo Nexxus 48. I'm not sure which one I will try first. I'll give an update once I give it a go. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/20/2018 at 12:01am
First Impressions: I didn't put it on my usual blade, instead I had it on a Galaxy T2S, which is a stiffer, fast 3+2 carbon blade, on my reverse penhold backhand side. The sponge and topsheet felt much harder after attaching to the blade than in the hand, which was a surprise. I felt it paired well with this blade, the overall spin wasn't as high, as I would have imagined, but given the blade is stiff and crisper than many blades, it performed really well. The speed is pretty linear, so with proper technique, hard shots go hard, softer shots go soft. The control was spectacular, while still being able to deliver a kill shot if needed. Passive blocks, short ball flips landed on the table in all spots I aimed them at. I am a little hesitant to put it on a slower blade, as it seemed to be only decently speedy on a pretty fast blade to begin with. While it didn't have outright killing power on 3rd ball backhand loops against backspin, it put my opponent under enough pressure to deliver some killer 5th balls. A bit further back from the table, the control and spin kicked in to the point where successive backhand topspin attacks all landed with high confidence. Just a lot of safety on shots clearing the net, and it was possible put all sorts of pressure on the opponent with spin and kick. Overall, I want to test it on another blade before making any hard conclusions, but overall, it is easy to play with, and the spin is enough to put your opponents under pressure, though it lacks the overall speed and kill power of tensor rubbers. If I try it on a slower blade, I fear it may be too slow to stay on my backhand permanently ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 3:26am
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I just glued up Stiga Genesis M ii on my Zetro Quad. :) ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 9:36am
| [QUOTE=ericd937]I just glued up Stiga Genesis M ii on my Zetro Quad. :)[/QUOTE FH? |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 1:29am
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So, I've played 2 sessions with Stiga Genesis ii M (max sponge) on my Forehand side. The rubber was quite hard to get a clean cut. I can usually cut rubbers very cleanly around the blade. My cut on this one looks like shit! Anyhow, It's early, but my initial impressions are good. I was surprised that topsheet was really shiny. I recall the original Genesis M topsheet being quite matte. The outstanding point for me so far with this rubber is the control. Most recently I've been playing with Tenergy 05 on FH. Yes, I know its a completely different beast, but I'd still like to make some comparisons. I prefer G2M for serving. Its much easier to generate heavy spin on serves and still keep the ball low and tight. I also find G2M much better around the net. Flicks and short (or long) pushes are much easier to execute. I also feel like I can attack a lot more short balls with this rubber and initiate the offensive more often. I can really go for it with G2M and not only keep the balls on the table, I can place them nearly where I want. When playing players around my level, T05 is great. When playing higher level players, T05 is much more difficult to control. Against high level players, I often hit a lot of blocks and counter loops long with T05. G2M is much easier for me to control those powerful heavy topspin balls. I played a guy last night who usually crushes me, I would guess hes about USATT2200. Usually he beats me 3-0. I lost to him 2-3 yesterday with the new rubber and put up a pretty good fight in the final set. With G2M, its just so much easier to open up when receiving serve. Also, super heavy loops are much easier to deal with. With T05, I usually struggle to keep that particular players loops on the table. With G2M, I was actually counter looping and even taking the ball early and punchbocking winners down the line and into his body. He was quite surprised. The downside I noticed is that when playing players who aren't quite as powerful, it takes a lot more effort with G2M to generate the extra power. Genesis ii M vs Original Genesis M They are quite similar. G2M is slightly more powerful and slightly spinier. Honestly, its very very similar to the original, but better. Genesis isn't supposed to be a rubber for flat hitting, but I noticed G2M is much better in this aspect than the original. I'm going to continue playing with it for a few weeks and I will update you with any additional thoughts.
------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 2:09am
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Thanks a lot for the review! How tacky us it, compared to a regular hurricane 3? Does it play more like a Chinese rubber or a Japanese rubber? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 3:44am
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The most similar thing I can think of (that I've tried) is boosted Hurricane 3 provincial, although it's not exactly like that. I was actually wondering if it would be beneficial to boost this rubber? The tack is slightly or a bit less than Hurricane 3, but it does pick up a lot of dust so far. Whatever you do, don't wipe it with a normal towel or the towel fibers will be stuck all over your rubber. You'll need one of those micro fiber towels. That being said, it doesn't seem to pick up as much moisture as some other rubbers. Some ESN and also Tenergy rubbers are really hard to keep dry in humid conditions. Even after you wipe them with a dry towel, they still seem to have some condensation on them. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 9:44am
| I didn't boost my Geneis M original - if you need to boost the 2 why don't you just use a variant of the H3? |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 10:29am
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Hi Tom. I don't normally boost my rubbers either. The Hurricane Provincial boosted that I tried was on a friends paddle who just happens to use the same blade that I use. Therefor, I have a good idea as to what it feels like to play that rubber. I personally don't like fooling around with boosting. I just wondered if it would be beneficial with this rubber. Also, I played it again tonight. Again, I had the same feeling. I beat some higher players who I normally lose to, but I had a hard time with the players around my level who have less power. I was over-hitting to generate the needed power and missing more than usual against those players.
------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 10:34am
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If this is close to a boosted H3 only it doesn't require boosting, this is a great selling point… ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 10:36am
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So far, I preferred the boosted H3 to this to be honest. The feel just reminds me of that a bit. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 11:51am
| for me boosted H3 is still the best. I use substitue sheets that don't need boosting on certains blades out of convenience. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 2:26pm
What are those substitutes? Needing to boost is the main reason why I don't want to move to h3. ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 4:51pm
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Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 5:57pm
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Sounds like the Genesis 2 is a must try. The official description also claimed that this generation would be more durable. Did you guys also try the mantras? How do they compare? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 12:13am
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I have a sheet of mantra I've yet to try, but I'm going to go hit with Genesis ii some more. I think battle 2 provincial is a better substitute than boosted h3, maybe not in feel, but certainly in spin+speed performance. As for genesis, I'm going to keep trying on this blade before I move it to my other setup, the spin might be lessened by the lack of flex on the T2s. ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 8:02am
I just finished up my 4th session playing with Genesis 2 M. I'm finally starting to figure out how to generate more spin and power with this rubber. Coming off Tenergy 05, it's taken some time for me to get zoned in with G2M. The contact required is much more similar to what you would use with a Chinese rubber. Much thicker contact and accelerate as the ball dwells on the bat. It was a combintion of that and figuring out exactly the correct bat angle for each stroke. I'm starting to like this rubber more day by day. 4-1 on the day by the way.  ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 9:03am
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Since it's tacky, I assume more brushing would do the work? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 12:28am
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Had another session with Genesis II s, really enjoying the safety of shots even on hard strokes. Kill shots often have a wicked low trajectory with good spin. Spin sensitivity is a little more than usual, which is to be expected due to the tacky topsheet. Interesting to find that fast brush shots with thin contact have enough pace to pressure opponents, but engaging the sponge puts an extra blast on the ball. It's kinda tricky to find the right angle to use such that both kinds of shots can be available at hand, but I seem to favor the brush stroke, which while capable, isn't as strong as a semi brush, semi sponge engaged shot. I'll give it a go on another blade, I think I understand the playing properties of it to make it work, hoping for not a too big drop off in playing performance ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 9:06am
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You are still using the soft version on BH? I'm a penholder myself, but I've never tried RPB with sticky rubbers. Always thought that'd be too hard or too slow. Maybe I was wrong. ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 1:51pm
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Hard tacky rubbers are no go on RPB, the stroke needed to get the most out of the rubber just doesn't make sense on the backhand. The genesis sponge is fast and dynamic enough for a more typical EuroJap backhand stroke, but with the right hitting angle and brushing, you get an extra little bit of tack to help with the spin. I normally play ESN rubber on the backhand, so the technique is different, but it's possible to get some aggressive shots out with the Genesis II s ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 08/25/2018 at 5:44am
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I think I have played 6 sessions now with Genesis II M. I'm winning more than I was with Tenergy. I'm not saying it's better. It is just different and it suits my skill level better I guess. If you're currently playing the first version of Genesis M, you should switch to this one. It's better in every aspect. Someone mentioned G2S being spin sensitive. I don't feel that at all. If you use an active stroke, it's very controllable. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 09/03/2018 at 11:36pm
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I just wanted to give an update on the Genesis ii M. I've been playing it for about two weeks. The topsheet already looks quite old, I can already see a lot of wear in the spot where I normally hit the ball. The speed has also kicked up a bit after the break-in period. The overall feel isn't quite as hard a before, I guess the sponge has loosened up a little bit. I'm still enjoying the rubber. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 09/04/2018 at 5:47am
Conversely, I've been using Genesis II M for a month and have been impressed with how little wear the topsheet is showing - I wonder if this is down to variation in the rubbers or the conditions they are being used in? I have also noticed it doesn't feel quite as hard after it has broken in.
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Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 09/04/2018 at 7:31am
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Thanks for the updates! According to Stiga: Genesis II Spin is also sustainably developed to increase the durability and life expectancy of the rubber. What would you say about the tackiness after all this time? Does it still have the amount of spin? ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 09/04/2018 at 9:40am
The tackiness doesn't seem to have dropped off very much, if at all. It was slightly less tacky than a typical DHS rubber to start with, but it doesn't seem to be getting less tacky very quickly.
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Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 4:55am
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Hey guys, I'm searching the net for some feedback on Genesis II vs. Genesis 1... been playing with a Genesis M in FH for about 2 years, I've used a H3 Neo lately but not 100% convinced yet (there are advantages and drawbacks, I'm not sure if I play better or worse with it)... and it looks like that Genesis II might be an intermediate between Genesis 1 and H3. For those who know those rubber, am I right? It looks like Genesis II is much tackier than 1st gen (good grip but almost non tacky in my experience)... so I expect better short game, for instance.
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 9:08am
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Unfortunately, I've never played H3 Neo. However, I've played with Genesis 1 S/M, and also Genesis II M. Genesis II is much better overall than Genesis M. Very similar, but a little bit faster, a little bit tackier, and a little bit spinier. In my experience the top sheet looks old quickly, but it doesn't hurt the performance. In fact, I find that the the performance of Genesis II actually increased after 1 or 2 weeks. I've actually came back to this rubber after using Gewo Nexxus El Pro 48, which was a great rubber until it started coming off my racket. When I reglued it, the Gewo shrunk significantly which lead to decreased performance. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 3:06pm
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Hey Eric, thanks for your answer! Even if you've not played H3Neo, the comparison between both Genesis generations is already very interesting, and not that easy to find :) I'll be playing with my last sheet of Genesis 1 M again for a while, and see how it behaves after 1+ month playing with the H3 Neo. But your comment makes me think that after this last sheet of G1M, G2M might be interesting for me. By the way, does anyone here know if Genesis II will replace Genesis 1st gen, or if they will both keep on existing (like Omega 4/5/7 etc. for Xiom)? I noticed that both generations are still listed on Stiga website, but that's about all I know...
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Posted By: wanchope
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 3:20pm
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If you check tt11, the g1 series are already in the clearance section. I guess that the older generation is just phasing away. ------------- Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1 |
Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 10/07/2018 at 5:04pm
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I think there is no reason to keep Genesis 1 around since Genesis II is so similar, but much better. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: AndiHL
Date Posted: 01/24/2019 at 2:39am
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what do you think, are any alternatives on the market with the same characteristics but with slightly harder sponges? I really loved my G2M when it was new, but now the sponge is softer than in the beginning. And I don't like this as much. I allready spoke to Stiga, but they don't plan to bring a G2H to the market...
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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 01/24/2019 at 3:21am
Joola Golden Tango PS or Tibhar K1 Euro would be worth trying. The 50 degree sponge is slightly harder and they generally feel slightly harder. They both play more like a hard Euro rubber but with a tacky top sheet, which I didn't think would work for me as well as Genesis II, but I was pleasantly surprised.
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Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 01/24/2019 at 8:39am
I really don't understand why Stiga wouldn't release a Genesis Hard. Maybe it'd get too close from classic Chinese rubbers? I'd definitely be interested in a harder version though. I've been using the G1 M for the past two years, I like it but I need a harder sponge. I'll be finishing the current season with my G1, but am kind of lost as to which rubber I'm going to use after this. So I'm really interested in the answers you'll get! Other than this, I can say that I've played a few weeks with a Nittaku H3 Neo in september/october. It was interesting. I still feel that a bit more dynamism would help me, H3 Neo is not an hybrid like the Genesis and requires much more physical engagement, which takes some time getting used to, I guess. Maybe I'll try the H3 Neo Pro Turbo Orange, it's a bit softer and more springy than the usual H3 Neo.
Interesting, I've heard of the Golden Tango but it's not very common here in France. The K1 Euro might be an interesting one, I'll be watching for reviews of this one. Do you know how they behave over time? The Genesis 1M was very very durable, same for H3 Neo.
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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 01/24/2019 at 8:52am
I've been using K1 Euro since mid November and it seems to be holding up quite well - maybe not quite as durable as Genesis II, which I think was the most durable tacky rubber I've ever used.
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 01/24/2019 at 6:48pm
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Has anyone tried boosting Genesis II? I have a used sheet lying around, I might give it a go eventually. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |