Home made ALC blade
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Topic: Home made ALC blade
Posted By: jpenmaster
Subject: Home made ALC blade
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 6:38pm
Figured I would share some photos of an ALC blade I just made. It's Ayous core , Spruce,ALC and Koto. Finished thickness is 6mm. Still waiting for it to cure to get a final weight but currently it's 99 grams with a solid handle and a frequency of 1530hz which is a little higher than a Butterfly ALC blade but close.    ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
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Posted By: ZhouZhekai
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 7:00pm
Looks fantastic
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Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 8:15pm
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Looks VERY nice! specially the side view (2nd picture). |
Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 8:25pm
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Ryan, make me a cpen please! ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35056&PN=14&title=feedback-liulin04" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 10:02pm
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Has this same composition been done somewhere before? Sounds interesting and looks great! ------------- Xiom Omega IV Euro | Freitas ALC | Xiom Omega IV Euro https://tinyurl.com/yaoh8suu" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: photino
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 10:34pm
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Fantastic! in for one as soon as the ordering open ------------- EJ-turned blade collector |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 11:17pm
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Ha! At my snail pace i would have to charge more money than Butterfly. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/21/2018 at 11:37pm
| I envy your skill. |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 9:31am
| Where did you get the ALC sheet from? |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 10:18am
 He has been "giving" me alotta stuffs over the years since the 1st day I've known him & I still keep ALL of those gifts until the end of....hmm..ain't gonna go too far. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Baal wrote:Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 10:19am
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Make me one and sell it to me! I'll fork over some good $ ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 11:02am
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Nice! Is the blue cloth mesh looking thing the Arylate Carbon? Where did you get/buy it? A quick search only turned up blades and carbon fiber sheets. Your work looks great! The closest I got to wanting to make my own blade was when I saw sheets of https://www.tapplastics.com/product/plastics/plastic_sheets_rolls/mylar_rolls_clear/255" rel="nofollow - Mylar being glued on windows, layers and layers of it to prevent glass shattering in case of a storm. I thought hmmm, I wonder how this thing would be in a TT blade. But I have not done it yet. I also have this idea that if I can get the rubber used in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0_PjJBC8gU&list=PLoWBCUZlPjS-6CUQxJFvzuul4uIaZHvFp" rel="nofollow - Wham-O Superball but in sheet form, glue a topsheet on it, I bet I can get some interesting results
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Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 11:14am
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I've found nowhere to get Arylate Carbon in the US. I've heard of suppliers perhaps in China. There are a number of places to get a wide variety of good composites in the US, such as compositeenvisions.com as one example. Arylate Carbon I believe is also known as Vectran. A lot of people I believe use Aramid carbons as a substitue, such as Carbon/Kevlar composites. ------------- Chris --- Custom Blade made by me Donic Bluestorm Z1 Donic Bluestorm Z2 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 3:24pm
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My friend gets the composites and epoxies from Europe and the US. Don't try Mylar on a TT blade I actually use it as a stop layer since epoxy won't stick to it. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 3:45pm
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You should build 10 more of these beauties - including a light one for me 😉 This would be more economically and you could sell them for a price which is acceptable for you and us. 😁 I am sure we would find interests for these blades. 😄 ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51774&title=feedback-magic-m" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 5:36pm
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Wow, I am surprised how good you have made it looking. Hope it plays well too. I won't buy any blade by personal reasons, but I am sure your skills could be appreciated among the forum members in time. Wish you all the best in building good for playing and good looking blades, I will follow your progress!  |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/22/2018 at 6:18pm
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Thanks for the kind words and interest in this blade. As it stands right now I don't have any plans to make them available. It's really a long process since I do all the work by hand. If the blade plays great and I could find a way to make them affordable and not take so long I'll let you guys know. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 12:16pm
Couple more pics of the handle work   ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 12:21pm
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That top picture is very curious. It looks like not only are each of the individual handles hollowed out, but you've actually removed a significant portion of the handle on the blade itself? I can only presume done for weight reasons. When you removed this much material how did the weight change from the initially reported 99g? Given the materials you used, 99g seems a bit high based on my experiences with making a number of blades. ------------- Chris --- Custom Blade made by me Donic Bluestorm Z1 Donic Bluestorm Z2 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 12:59pm
Final product
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 1:18pm
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When I put it on an accurate scale it was 104g total. So I removed some weight from the handle. Total weight is 96g now. What does your cut lamination weigh without handles? I have noticed handle material weights have a huge weight range. Some of my rough handle blanks are 25g a pair some are 50g plus ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 1:53pm
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Yes handle materials are definitely widely varied in weight. https://wood-database.com can give you some sense of how heavy a material will be. Usually my handles after initial gluging of materials together, cutting to size, using a round-over bit on the edges, before any significant shaping are in the 13-16g range each. I then proceed to plane each side of the handle to get close to a thickness I want, leaving a little room for sanding, and re-weigh. This gives me an estimate of how much material i need to hollow out from the handle (if any). Those handles sort of look like Padauk(?) which is somewhat heavy. I have made 14 blades thus far and have kept accurate track in a google docs spreadsheet of everything. I've had 5 ply blades that were 57-62g cut before handles, and 7 ply composites that ranged from 68g-76g. I found that I have to be careful with how the epoxy resin is applied to not get excessive pooling between the individual fibres, especially with non spread-tow fibres, as there are so many crimp points. Also, core materials make a huge weight difference. Obeche is a good 35% heavier than Kiri. I tend to use thinner cores when I use a heavier wood (I have several Western Red Cedar core blades). Its all a learning experience and lots of fun :) ------------- Chris --- Custom Blade made by me Donic Bluestorm Z1 Donic Bluestorm Z2 |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 4:38pm
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Threads like this make me think that, comparatively, my talents are so insignificant. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/23/2018 at 5:57pm
| Honestly you could build something similar. It's just about finding the right materials a little research on laminating and some patience. Maybe one day I should make a DIY video. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 5:29pm
Koto/ALC/Spruce with an Ayous Core like my last blade but the BH is Black Limba/Spruce and ALC on the core like an innerforce.Handle material is dyed quilted maple   ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: mark20
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 5:35pm
| I was trying to have a blade customize something like than. One side is Outer layer and Inner Layer. Composition will be Koto- ALC-Limba-Kiri-ALC-Ayous-Koto. The concept is Viscaria and N301 as one blade. |
Posted By: azv
Date Posted: 08/24/2018 at 6:00pm
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Both blades look amazing, how do they play? You should totally do a DIY video ------------- TSP Swat, V15 Extra, LP |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/25/2018 at 12:46am
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Well first test was a little disappointing. I have built myself some type of Super Viscaria. It's fast, like really fast. My coach uses Amultart and he was like wow this is fast. I used less epoxy in the 2nd blade and it's fast too. Maybe I should use veneer glue on the wood to wood joints or maybe run the wood grain in the same direction instead of having the inner wood layer perpendicular ? R&D will be fun. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/25/2018 at 3:26am
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what was the blade thickness? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/25/2018 at 8:29am
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First blade is 6.0mm and the second is 5.8mm ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/27/2018 at 8:05pm
Now I know why my blade is so stiff compared to Viscaria. Butterfly uses a 1x1 weave that is very loose with Vectran. Also found out a Viscaria handle is not hollow.  ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 08/31/2018 at 7:46pm
Built another test blade Ayous core, ALC, Koto and Black Limba outer . Getting better on the weights , solid handle on this one  ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: mark20
Date Posted: 09/01/2018 at 2:11pm
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Posted By: mark20
Date Posted: 09/01/2018 at 2:15pm
| This is my broken Kong Linghui Premium. Just to support jpenmaster’s post. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 09/07/2018 at 11:38pm
Playing around with carbon veil and spruce now.  ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |